[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kirnberger on lutes and temperament

2008-04-27 Thread howard posner
On Apr 27, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Dale Young wrote: It was, however, the time when the best music was written for it, ever. 1779? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kirnberger on lutes and temperament

2008-04-27 Thread Dale Young
F.W. Rust never sleeps. until 1792. Kohaut 178something. I'm sure Falckenhagen's memory still lingered. Kropffganss. Sylvius' little boy. I'm sure his music burned in a bombing somewhere. dale - Original Message - From: howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kirnberger on lutes and temperament

2008-04-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
F.W. Rust never sleeps. until 1792. Kohaut 178something. I'm sure Falckenhagen's memory still lingered. Kropffganss. Sylvius' little boy. I'm sure his music burned in a bombing somewhere. dale Koenigsberg, methinks. RT It was, however, the time when the best

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Bernd Haegemann
Did you mistype something? I never saw a Greek word beginning with mp. copy Μπερμπάντης to search engine and have a look :-) I seem to remember that in the preclassic times quite some words started with mp-, then reduced to b. I also remember having seen this combination on on road signs

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Mathias Rösel
Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Did you mistype something? I never saw a Greek word beginning with mp. copy œÀµÁ¼À¬½Ä·Â to search engine and have a look :-) I seem to remember that in the preclassic times quite some words started with mp-, then reduced to b. Vice

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Stephen Arndt
Thank you, Bernd, Alan, and Mathias. That is all very interesting. I checked in the unabridged Lidell and Scott (the most comprehensive Greek-English dictionary), and there was nothing beginning with mp. In modern Cyrillic the b sound is represented by a letter that looks like an Italic lower

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Gernot Hilger
Stephen, this may well be the case for classic Greek, which is Greek to me, haha. The new Greek (δημοτική) which I sort of learned is full of words with mp which is the way they write the sound b. For example μπαρ (mpar) is a bar. They also write ντ (nt) to transcribe the sound d (δ is

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
The original Cyrillic set is unknown, but in the Glagolitic ((invented by Constantin AKA Cyrill) on which Cyrillic is based) the glyphs of M and B are mirror images of the same. Hense the common expression X knows neither B nor M i.e. an ignoramus, and the similarities between BANDURA and

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
Actually I am wrong on tfhe B-M mirror image, faulty memory. RT The original Cyrillic set is unknown, but in the Glagolitic ((invented by Constantin AKA Cyrill) on which Cyrillic is based) the glyphs of M and B are mirror images of the same. Hense the common expression X knows neither B nor

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Gernot Hilger
If it is of any interest, I found an online source about what the word means. http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/μπερμπάντης It is obviously a loan word from Italian birbante and means man with unstable and intense erotic life that seeks/creates a lot of erotic relations with women (Translation

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi concerto

2008-04-27 Thread Are Vidar Boye Hansen
Does anyone know of an online source for the Vivaldi concerto? In D on the guitar, I don't know what key the original is. I have pictures of the original manuscript in Jpeg format. Is anyone interested? I am interested! Do you know where I can find the other lute works of Vivaldi as well?

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread
Dear Gernot, dear all, sorry to speak up so suddenly - I have originally written to Herbert off-li= st but was unsure about the meaning of berbante. The first two lines of t= he song are clear and I think that Manolos translation transports the sense= of lines 3 and 4 quite truely, too. Also I

[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.

2008-04-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
Thank you, Bernd, Alan, and Mathias. That is all very interesting. I checked in the unabridged Lidell and Scott (the most comprehensive Greek-English dictionary), and there was nothing beginning with mp. In modern Cyrillic the b sound is represented by a letter that looks like an Italic lower

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi concerto

2008-04-27 Thread Stephen Kenyon
Me too! I only know it in its guitar form, and have always understood that to be a considerable re-distribution of the parts. Stephen Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: Does anyone know of an online source for the Vivaldi concerto? In D on the guitar, I don't know what key the original is.