[LUTE] Re: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread Dan Winheld
Very interesting. Spent some time drooling over the flickrpics you so kindly provided. Magnificent- beautiful, perfectly proportioned; string spacing doesn't appear unnaturally wide. 65 cm SL is a perfect length (to my predilection vis-a-vis hands, body size, pitch) the apparent distances all

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2013-08-23 Thread Franz Mechsner
Dear Bruno, I own a guitar made by Mario Gropp and a vihuela by Alexander Batov and am very happy with both instruments. I also had a Liuto Forte for several years, which I unfortunately had to sell for financial reasons. I miss that beautiful instrument a lot. First of all, it

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2013-08-23 Thread Franz Mechsner
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[LUTE] Re: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread William Samson
That's a beautiful lute. In contrast I have a 59cm 7c Venere replica (also shaded yew) with very close string spacing at the nut - as the original lute has. When I was younger this suited me nicely, but as I age my fingers have thickened and it needs very great care to play chords

[LUTE] Re: New UR Research Publications [Lute MS Vallet psalms]

2013-08-23 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Arthur, dear Jean-Marie, Thank you very much ! May research continue. Mathias From: Arthur Ness [mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:07 PM To: Jean-Marie Poirier; Mathias Roesel; 'Lute List'; 'Baroque Lute List' Subject: Re:

[LUTE] Re: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 22/08/13 6:01 PM, David Tayler wrote: Specifically, I wanted something for both playing and recording that reveals the maximum separation in the individual polyphonic parts, with tone and transparency. I had the spacing at both nut and bridge widened on my g' lute some years ago, on

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Dan Winheld
Franz; Very well reasoned eloquently written response- you have made me quite curious to see try one of these things out. I have an instrument of my own that fits no historical classification but provides an alternative tone color; a seven string steel-string guitar acquired cheaply on a

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Sterling
I have developed something I call the Weiss Guitar. It's a guitar with 13 or 14 strings tuned like a baroque lute or even a g archlute. It works quite well. There are a few other people making these multi-string guitars but they cost even more than lutes. Sterling Sent from my iPhone On Aug

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Sean Smith
It's an interesting trend and I don't know what to make of it, Dan. A few years ago I went to a concert of a well-known poster on this list and the Francesco pieces were played on an 8-c lute and the Dowland on a single strung archlute. It could easily be argued this was standard practice

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Ones, When speaking of polyphony on a steel string guitar, please see this link: http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/berget-sienasteel/ A duet partner of mine, Paul Berget, recorded this years ago. He recorded selections of the Siena in 2 recordings, one on lute, one on steel string

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2013-08-23 Thread William Samson
I suspect that most of us play on instruments that are 'fake' in one way or another - be it the strings, or the use of single strings when evidence suggest that double stringing was more common at the time. Then again the techniques we use are often at odds with the evidence. This

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2013-08-23 Thread Sean Smith
I understand that, Bill: It's hard to keep a stable of correct instruments for any given time and it's also up to the player to choose his sound and presentation. Furthermore, who am I to judge? But there is this underlying drumbeat of future instrument creep that I find confusing. It's

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread howard posner
Mostly, it's just a question of practicality. There are only so many instruments you can afford to own and keep strung, only so many you can bring to a concert and keep in tune and find a place to stash around the stage when you're not playing them, only so many you can fly with, and only so

[LUTE] A tambourin from the 1770s for 'cistre ou guitare allemande'

2013-08-23 Thread WALSH STUART
This little piece, written or set by C.F.A. Pollet in the 1770s, is for the French version of the 'English guitar', the cistre ou guitarre allemande: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhsNC1zTx5c Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Sean Smith
Again, the practicality is understood. What I should also mention is that it influences the concert choice of music: I have an 8c. To make best use of it I will play a concert that spans a 100 years. ...because I can. vs I have a 6c. I will play a concert that might have happened out of

[LUTE] Re: future-instrument creep (was Liuto forte etc.)

2013-08-23 Thread howard posner
Two things to keep in mind: 1. I don't really think there's a future-instrument creep going on. Many of us have been lutophiles long enough to remember when we didn't know enough to raise most of the questions you bring up. Players are certainly more conscious of the variety of historical

[LUTE] Re: A tambourin from the 1770s for 'cistre ou guitare allemande'

2013-08-23 Thread Monica Hall
Very nice Stuart. Monica - Original Message - From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:06 PM Subject: [LUTE] A tambourin from the 1770s for 'cistre ou guitare allemande' This little piece, written or set by C.F.A.

[LUTE] Re: future-instrument creep (was Liuto forte etc.)

2013-08-23 Thread Sean Smith
I see. I try to design my own concerts so I have a say over my choices. Personally, I see it as a life-long graduate course worth, no doubt in the end, a whole of [SFX: Dylan wheeze into harmonica]. I guess we all try to get something different out of our playing. Of course I have

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread Dan Winheld
Sterling- Didn't I see one of your original prototypes for this at Cleveland, back around 2006? The poor man's instant 13 course solution! I remember you had a conversion kit, or plans for such, as well. One can of course buy just about any configuration desired for what one very fine

[LUTE] Re: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread Leonard Williams
My first lute had string spacings which, I presume, were intended for thumb-out playing: rather close between courses. When I decided to learn thumb-in, this was a serious draw-back. My luting went into hiatus until I could afford a new instrument built with wider spacing for thumb-out. It's

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte etc.

2013-08-23 Thread sterling price
Hi--yes that was 2004 in Cleveland. I didn't have plans or a kit but I would modify existing guitars. I started building them again this year. They actually work quite well. Sterling __ From: Dan Winheld

[LUTE] Re: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread sterling price
It's not that hard to change the spacing on an existing lute. There is no reason anyone should be playing a lute that doesn't fit right. --Sterling __ From: Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net To: lute

[LUTE] Liuto forte and: Double wide spacing for polyphony

2013-08-23 Thread Geoff Gaherty
It's interesting that these two discussions should be going on simultaneously, since both could be regarded as fake lutes: they deviate from historical authenticity. As Pat O'Brien tells it, people's hands, like their bodies, were smaller in the 16th and 17th centuries, so were more able to