rosÅaw Lipski a écrit :
> Anthony,
> I know these articles very well, but they don't answer some very
> difficult questions. As I repeatedly say, I am not against this
> theory. What I am only asking for is to call this hypothesis a
> hypothesis, taking into account the pr
27;t think it's too much. Some
other real possibilities do exist as well, as explained in this thread.
Regards
Jaroslaw
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hy
Le 28 févr. 09 à 23:39, alexander a écrit :
> http://www.aquilacorde.com/articles4.htm
And you can see Mimmo taking various measurements, explained in the
article above at this link :
http://www.aquilacorde.com/researches.htm
Note that he does not just measure lute bridge holes. The same
http://www.aquilacorde.com/articles4.htm
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:36:10 +0100
Jarosław Lipski wrote:
> Mimmo told me that he actually checked 70 lutes from which only 50% had
> original bridges. On the total, 13 were 13 course -lutes (not important
> here); 13 were 11 course lutes (d minor, of
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
How many lutes were mesured for bridge hole's
diameter? 10, 20 or 30?
I dnot see that we need a complete or even a substantial survey
We do know that Mimmo and others have measured a bunch. More than
just a few, but of course not all them. (We don't even have all of
them.) What would be real significant would be any old bridges that
deviate from this- big holes for big gut strings. THAT would provide
fuel for some real luteli
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009, Anthony Hind said:
> Dana
> I was quoting Daniel.
Sorry, I messed up by leaving the attribution line in.
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>>How many lutes were mesured for bridge hole's
>>diameter? 10, 20 or 30?
I dnot see that we need a complete or even a substantial survey.
Any instance where the bridge was conceived as we see it and the diapason
holes are significantly smaller than the holes for stoped basses is
evidence tht
chette or
production run you might have a variance in color from pale ochre
to burnt umbre.
I hope this information helps you in your research.
Cordially,
Damian
From: "Anthony Hind"
To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" ; "alexander"
; "Monica Hall" ; "lute
List"
future generations,
>i.e. for us. We should read the book, and be grateful.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Stewart McCoy.
>
>
>
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>From: Daniel Winheld [mailto:dwinh...@comcast.net]
>Sent: 27 February 2009 16:41
>To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>Subjec
Dear Jaroslaw
Le 28 févr. 09 à 01:35, Jarosław Lipski a écrit :
Dear Anthony,
I really didn't want to rehash and old discussion (just wanted to
share an interesting picture), but in a way I am beeing forced to
reply, by your claims that finaly we found the satisfactory and
historicaly cor
It isn't black and white. Paintings hold value; they are the
postcards from the past. Mace has some good information, it just
can't be taken at face value: the sense of the matter is elusive;
that is its charm.
To take everything as "real", the storied accounts, the catfish of
Bosch playing the
fourchette or
production run you might have a variance in color from
pale ochre
to burnt umbre.
I hope this information helps you in your research.
Cordially,
Damian
From: "Anthony Hind"
To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" ; "alexander"
; "Monica Hall"
; "lute
Lis
Dear Anthony,
I really didn't want to rehash the old discussion (just wanted to share an
interesting picture), but in a way I am beeing forced to reply, by your
claims that finaly we found the satisfactory and historicaly correct answer
for lute stringing. Not that I am doing it reluctantly -
On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote:
> People end up thinking that's all he had to say, that
> he was eccentric, cranky, unreliable, to be treated with caution, etc.
> Nothing could be more ridiculous. Mace was a player of the lute, viol
> and theorbo, a composer, an enthusiast, and
I've heard and played a number of lutes strung all in gut that sound
just fine. Where you start to get the clunky sound is on the low C on
a ten course.
I'm just going to assume that their strings were say, 20 percent
better than ours. That would more than make gut stringing practical.
Did they
On Feb 27, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Anthony Hind wrote:
> How do you account for small lutes like the Vienna Frey, without
> the loading theory?
Lute in A?
In G at high pitch?
Big honkin' monster soprano lute in D?
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color. In a
fourchette or
production run you might have a variance in color from pale ochre
to burnt umbre.
I hope this information helps you in your research.
Cordially,
Damian
From: "Anthony Hind"
To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" ; "alexander"
; "Monica Hall" ;
re.
I hope this information helps you in your research.
Cordially,
Damian
From: "Anthony Hind"
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; "Monica Hall"
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List"
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyr
Dana
I was quoting Daniel. These were his words:
What precise parts of Mace's work do you find not 'reliable'.
Storing lutes in beds. Smashed more theorbi than the airlines.
Mine were ones saying how consistent Mace was, and the quoting Arthur
Ness, in favour of this.
Anthony
I don't see that the "Roman" analogy is a direct analogy; in the
case of Apicius it is a tangled tale in a late source, with an
overabundance of fish sauce.
Varenne's 17th century cookbook is interesting because it is so
different from those from other countries.
There are
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009, Anthony Hind said:
>>>What precise parts of Mace's work do you find not 'reliable'.
>> Storing lutes in beds. Smashed more theorbi than the airlines.
I fail to see how this makes Mace unreliable. I people followed that
practice he is proven, only if not can he be prov
What precise parts of Mace's work do you find not 'reliable'.
(Descartes last words here)
dt
"Don't walk away, René..."
Storing lutes in beds. Smashed more theorbi than the airlines.
Daniel
Actually this point goes very well together with the observations
he makes on the rotten stri
tion helps you in your research.
Cordially,
Damian
From: "Anthony Hind"
To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" ; "alexander"
; "Monica Hall" ; "lute
List"
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
Dear Jaroslaw and
> Suppose he had written a cookbook that included a recipe for two
> headed boar, and wrote a chapter on Italian spices.
> Would later chefs take it seriously?
actually, three are quite a few modern cooks who are working with
surviving recipies from the time of the Romans and later who would have
What precise parts of Mace's work do you find not 'reliable'.
(Descartes last words here)
dt
"Don't walk away, René..."
Storing lutes in beds. Smashed more theorbi than the airlines.
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What precise parts of Mace's work do you find not 'reliable'.
MH
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From: David Tayler
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu"
Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 1
m: "David Tayler"
To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
Mace is not a reliable source, sadly.
dt
At 06:03 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:
Dear Anthony,
I think we had this conversation some time ago, but no
n helps you in your research.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Damian
>
> From: "Anthony Hind"
> To: "Jaroslaw Lipski" ; "alexander"
> ; "Monica Hall" ; "lute
> List"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 AM
> Subject: [LUTE] R
Tayler"
>To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu"
>Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:01 AM
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
>
>
>>Mace is not a reliable source, sadly.
>>dt
>>
>>
>>At 06:03 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:
>>>Dear
What do you base your assumption on?
JL
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To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu"
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
Mace is not a reliable source, sadly.
dt
At 06:03 AM 2/26/20
Mace is not a reliable source, sadly.
dt
At 06:03 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:
>Dear Anthony,
>
>I think we had this conversation some time ago, but nothing can be
>said with certainty in the face of deficient evidence.
>
>>However, I wonder whether mild loading could not also have been used
>>on ot
Hear, hear! The loaded string is still a hypothesis, a working one, but
hypothesis. Sometimes in detriment of the others, forgotten or neglected.
alexander
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:08:43 -0800
"damian dlugolecki" wrote:
> Dear Anthony, You seem to be intent on finding evidence to
> support
Hind"
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:23 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre [loaded?]
Dear Jaroslaw and All
If they were neither loaded nor wound than th
Dear Jaroslaw
I will begin by the end:
I have to stress here, that I am not against loaded strings even if
it may sound paradoxicaly. I admire Mimmo's great contribution in
finding the best strings for a modern lute player. I use his
strings very often and will advice them to other mu
Dear Anthony,
I think we had this conversation some time ago, but nothing can be said with
certainty in the face of deficient evidence.
However, I wonder whether mild loading could not also have been used
on other strings than basses, just to help conservation.
Mace tells us about rotten stri
Dear Jaroslaw and All
>If they were neither loaded nor wound than they must
> have been dyed. This would solve the problem because the coloration
> differences would be of aestethic nature or maybe manufacture's
> trade mark.
Perhaps, it is more than aesthetic, if we consider wh
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