alexander voka...@verizon.net schrieb:
The second has to do with the universally accepted assumption
that playing near the bridge with the thumb out produces a
sharp tone ( Did they like mellow or sharp tone? The RH
position of most baroque lute players on old paintings suggests
the later.).
between gut strings and synthetics?
If i may, just on two erroneous assumptions regarding the imagined sound
quality from when Historical Correctness was the History Itself. One has
to do with the idea of the lute basses having rather short sustain.
Mersenne, who otherwise is an accepted
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
Hello Jaroslaw
It is good to hear from you again too, and to be back on one of
our favourite topics!
It is true that we can compare our
A stimulating thought from the Haynes' book I'm reading at the moment,
that has some bearing on the subject at hand:
the modern HIP-movement is recreating early music much like the
Florentiner Camerata was recreating early music; we are making
something completely new - only time will tell how new
instrument. I think they consciously used past only for inspiration, to
create something anew.
Jaroslaw
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From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut
If i may, just on two erroneous assumptions regarding the imagined sound
quality from when Historical Correctness was the History Itself. One has to
do with the idea of the lute basses having rather short sustain. Mersenne, who
otherwise is an accepted authoritative source on the strings (+
Speaking of silk (There is no evidence of such strings in Europe)
Nevertheless, I have finally managed to put two of Alexander Rakov's
silk strings on a lute- the 1-f and 2-d on my Baroque lute. (I had to
wait for the current guts to degrade sufficiently- once the silk was
in the house, the
Mace doesn't mention wound strings at all. You may be thinking of
the Burwell lute book, which explains that the French removed the low
octave from the 11th course because the sound of it was too big (not
necessarily sustained) and smothered the other strings. I know of no
lute source
Dear Chris
If I understand you correctly, you consider that extreme
Gut-HIPism might lead to a narrowing down of string and instrument
choices, where the string type dictates the size and shape of the
instrument. I quote, he means that the size does not fit into the
standard
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote:
probably did dictate a very different lute type, the full bodied
extended bass Dutch (French) lute for some of Toyohiko Satoh's French
Baroque music brise
Satoh's Style Brisé CD is recorded on an original 11-course
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Envoye le : Mar 2 Fevrier 2010, 12 h 24 min 46 s
Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Anthony
gut strings and synthetics?
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A : [9]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
Date : 29/01/2010 19:58:55 CET
Whether your string is made of gut
This has been a fascinating thread! I've enjoyed reading all the
observations by different players. I've decided that my time is best
spent further developing my playing skills before dealing with the
issue of which strings to try (synthetics came on the instrument and
I'll just
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On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:04 AM
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Franz Mechsner
franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk wrote:
- so what is love??? ...
Every wise man's son doth know.
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- so what is love??? ...
Every wise man's son doth know.
Shakespeare
DOES HE? DO YOU? MAYBE NOT KNOWING IS KNOWING IF YOU DO SO WITH LOVE...
AT LEAST YOU SEEM A MAN OF TASTE; INTELLIGENCE AND HEART, DAVID - I
LOVE YOUR STYLE
F
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I didn't know you were such a romantic, David!
David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com 1/30/2010 3:27 AM
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Stephen Stubbs
theother1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
double strings on the 2nd (D) course and 3rd (A) course.
How about stringing 1
AT LEAST YOU SEEM A MAN OF TASTE; INTELLIGENCE AND HEART, DAVID - I LOVE
YOUR STYLE
I'll second that.
Stephen Arndt
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Seven years is minimum. I have a tin peanut brittle box with old and
newish gut strings- used unused- going back to the late 1970's. The
Ancient Gutpile- authentic gut strings that the old (and aging) lute
players used to use way back in the 20th century.
The way to go is to go all the way.
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Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
especially for the vegetarians, vegans and those with wet finger tips.
w.
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Datum: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:22:48 -0800 (PST)
Von: chriswi
23:29
À : lutelist Net
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
There's no reason to use the synthetics just because Ronn
McFarlane, Paul O'Dette, and Nigel North use them
Indeed, and Francesco, Dowland and Weiss used gut.
Who would you like to follow?
David
There was a fellow, name of Andres Segovia I believe, followed
himself all over the world breaking gut treble strings regularly on a
guitar. Finally wound up in the caring hands of Rose and Albert
Augustine and a pile of raw nylon from Dupont. Didn't change his
repertoire or instrument, and he
Two fist-hand accounts.
Julian Bream talking about himself.
So excited when finally he too had a set of nylon trebles. So happy.
Used it for concerts, took it off to wash and dry (!) in between. End
of many gut-troubles. Never looked back. But also saying those sweet
gut trebles, no, those modern
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:07 AM, David van Ooijen
davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote:
Two fist-hand accounts.
I love those typos. ;-)
David - unsuspected poet
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The problem is that playing gut changes our perception of the lute tone, touch
and articulation. A lot of things we are trying to reach on nylon are
happening themselves on gut. Also the whole balance of the lute is different
when octaves are gut. It is more or less like driving a Mercedes for
--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Anton Birula image...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Anton Birula image...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: AW: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
To: Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:40 PM
It is very well explained
contrasts. The lute with gut is just a
different instrument. Very different... It feels correct:)
--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk wrote:
From: Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics
One of the big differences is that the ornaments sound
different--they really only work on gut.
dt
At 08:24 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote:
The problem is that playing gut changes our perception of the lute
tone, touch and articulation. A lot of things we are trying to reach
on nylon are
traditional..
Best
Jaroslaw
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From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
Anton,
Great perspective- my 13 course B-lute is indeed almost
Thanks to everyone (= about 2 or 3) for the advice, how to switch back and
forth between those two stringing patterns, and also to others for the very
interesting discussions about the benefits and sins of those two ways...
;-)
My acute problem just in this moment is that I've lost my touch to
.
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From: Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk
To: Anton Birula image...@yahoo.com; Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de
Cc: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 10:24:08 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings
Away with these self-loving synthetics,
Whom Cupid's arrow never... err hmmm... wears cosmetics... needs
local anaesthetics?...bad poetics!
On 28 Jan 2010, at 13:13, Monica Hall wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree. The same is true for the baroque
guitar. Away with all these synthetics.
Well, call me gutless, but now having several instruments, some with
and some without gut, I'm not a convert and not rushing out to change
all my synthetic strings to gut. I certainly like the sound of gut,
especially on my 11 course lute playing pre-Weiss d minor tuning music
and
I think Joe is just going with his gut.
(I know the sound better part is only an opinion, but the
only-an-opinion thing hasn't seemed to slow down the gut advocates.)
Respectfully,
Joseph Mayes
Like some of the rest of us, I've been following the double-track
path of getting the best gut
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From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and
synthetics?
It don't mean a thing
If it ain't got gut strings.
dt
At 12
There's no reason to use the synthetics just because Ronn McFarlane,
Paul O'Dette, and Nigel North use them
Indeed, and Francesco, Dowland and Weiss used gut.
Who would you like to follow?
David - follows himself
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Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Switching between gut strings and synthetics?
Gut strings must have been fantastic. Isn't it a pity none survived so
that no one will never know how they actually sounded? Lucky we have these
nice synthetics...
Chris
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Monica Hall mjlh
You really have the feel for this style. Very nice. And of course,
the gut sounds better. A lot better. My Baroque lute and vihuela are
in gut, and switching to the archlute (carbon, nylon, and copper
wound basses- Satan's Strings!) the feel is positively slimy. The
damn thing still sounds
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