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Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:25 PM
To: Mumin Lute
Cc: Lute Society of America
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivat Eliza
Hello Tomoko:
You initiated an interesting discussion, but I'm not certain
you've
actually gotten an answer to your original question, which
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sity Press entitled
> 'Singing Early Music'.
Thank you all again for very informative answers!
Tomoko
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I should have asked 'received pronunciation' (?) of Laten in
Anglican
church of today..
There is no received pronunciation of Latin in the Anglican Church of
today. Latin is not the language normally used in the Anglican church
today. Nor was it in the Elizabethan era. If it is used
I forgot to mention an interesting book that was published a few years
ago by Indiana University Press entitled 'Singing Early Music'. It is
edited by Timothy McGee and covers the pronunciation of European
Languages in the Late Middle Ages and Renaissance. There are chapters on
Anglo-Latin and
Mumin-chan
Wakata. I think Eliza will be pronounced in English, regardless of the
singer's hipness
David.
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On 24 April 2017 at 12:44,
Dear David san
I didn't think of HIP, but am glad that the topic moved on to it and to
know the latest perspective of experts' ... :-) I know Robert Spencer's
opinion on singing early modern English which I am not trying to
question at the moment.
I should have asked 'received
I wonder whether English lute songs were ever performed in Romanesque
churches in the Elizabethen era.
Monica
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From: dail...@club-internet.fr
Date: 23/04/2017 22:06
To: "Ron Andrico"<praelu...@hotmail.com>
Cc: "lutelist Net"<Lute@cs.dartmout
When the famous musicologist Donald Jay Grout came to my college, he responded
to an homologous question (should Bach be played on a piano, perhaps ???), If
it is worth doing, it is worth doing badly. Ray Nurse said we havent had an
early music revival, weve had an early instrument revival.
It would be interesting to know when Robert Spencer made his comment.
Some years ago now, I suspect, and many aspects of early music
performance have probably evolved positively since.
If a good quality lute in the right hands is played in an appropriate
acoustic (here in France we are lucky
But I agree with you wholeheartedly! But then, I like to read Le Morte
d'Arthur in its original; not everyone's cup of tea, you'd have to
agree.
One of my pet peeves is that everybody in early music is a specialist
these days (well, was, but that's another pet peeve) except for the
Dear David,
I think that it is very unfortunate that early pronunciation has not
become a more essential part of performing practice. If one looks at the
work carried out by David Crystal and his son Ben, notably for the Globe
Theatre productions of Shakespeare, the benefits seem to far
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edu] On Behalf
Of David van Ooijen
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 12:16 AM
To: lutelist Net <[6]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivat Eliza
Konnichiwa Tomoko-san
Vivat El
ing why he sang like that.
Tomoko
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivat Eliza
Konnichiwa Tomoko
HIP 2.0 (?!)
Wa chotto hen desu, yo!
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David van Ooijen
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[2]www.davidvanooijen.nl
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On 23 April 2017 at 17:44, Jerzy Zak <[3]jurek...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Tomoko,
Try
Dear Tomoko,
Try GoogleTranslate. Put your fraze in the space on the left, choose a language
you think it is in, and press the little speaker underneath. Then keep changing
languages until you think it rhymes best with ‘Ave María’. Stupid but works ;)
Jerzy
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> On 23 Apr 2017, at 17:02,
Konnichiwa Tomoko-san
Vivat Eliza = Long live (Queen) Elisabeth.
So as English-Latin as you like the Vivat, and then as English-English
as you like Eliza.
This little song cycle has some more Latin in it. Either make it
period-English-Latin, or make it clearly Latin. There are
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