[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-07 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Dear All, In fact, what I thought I normally found was that gut strings get settled in faster, but are more prone to movement than synthetics on a day to day basis, where synthetics can take weeks to settle down (gut minutes/hours), but once they do they can be settled for ages. I thought (and

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-07 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Benjamin and all, I have enjoyed this discussion, with its many threads, on gut strings. I have used all-gut stringed lutes for going on 18 years now, and I am still not completely decided on the best manner in which to string a lute. I do have 2 instruments strung in synthetic strings

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Anthony Hind
__ De : Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com A : lute-cs. edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 5 octobre 2012 20h33 Objet : [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? Funny, I was thinking about the same thing today. My instruments are never in tune when taken

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Jarosław Lipski
No, it isn't a new problem. This is what Mattheson writes (1727) answering Baron in his book Ephorus, naming disadvantages of the lute: Because of the many strings, and special strings (gut-strings) which depend more on stable temperature and humidity than other instruments (to stay in tune).

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Yes, varnishing helps, but doesn't totally stop a string absorbing humidity. It rather protects from wear and tear.I tried them. They sound duller, inferior to normal gut and are not historical strings. This is what MP writes about them on his website: Gut strings are varnished in order to

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
The beauty of gut sound is greatly compromised by gut's insufferable intonation, especially on the octaved courses. RT Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Yes, varnishing helps, but doesn't totally stop a string absorbing humidity. It

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Anthony Hind
__ De : Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com AEUR : JarosAA'aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu EnvoyA(c) le : Samedi 6 octobre 2012 21h14 Objet : [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? The beauty of gut

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Bernd Haegemann
This discussion reminded me of the 10 metres of Sofracob, fitting for the first course of my 13ch lute, that still were in a box in the cupboard. I made me a chanterelle and it is rather good, still not broken after 3 days, though with a strangely sticky and hard touch for a nylon player. The

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Anthony Hind
2012 22h08 Objet : [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? This discussion reminded me of the 10 metres of Sofracob, fitting for the first course of my 13ch lute, that still were in a box in the cupboard. I made me a chanterelle and it is rather good, still not broken after 3 days

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu EnvoyA(c) le : Samedi 6 octobre 2012 21h14 Objet : [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? The beauty of gut sound is greatly compromised by gut's insufferable intonation, especially on the octaved courses. RT Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread Anthony Hind
__ De : Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com A : Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Samedi 6 octobre 2012 22h27 Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? I find

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-06 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
...@yahoo.com Cc : [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Samedi 6 octobre 2012 22h27 Objet : Re: [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? I find gut's overtone poverty sensuously insufferable as well. RT Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Anthony

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-05 Thread Edward Chrysogonus Yong
Dear fellow lutenutters, I can think of a good reason for synthetics. I live in the tropics, Singapore, to be precise, where the temperature is usually in the 70% - 85% range, and on rainy days it goes up to 100%. gut trebles don't last more than a few days here. 0.75 and larger seem to be ok

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
You don't have to live in them tropics to have these troubles. The same goes for New York City, known for extreme humidity swings. Ben's axe may simply have unstable pegs, or structural issues. RT On 10/5/2012 5:09 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong wrote: Dear fellow lutenutters, I can think of

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-05 Thread Bruno Correia
Funny, I was thinking about the same thing today. My instruments are never in tune when taken out of the case for the first time everyday day. I'm on sinthetics (Aquila), but I believe on gut the result would be much worse, the weather in Rio is very close to Singapore...

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-05 Thread Claudia Funder
Hi All My lute originally (made 2010) had carbon strings and I changed to nylgut. The tuning, tuning, tuning every 5 mintues drove me nuts and I did want more of a 'gut' sound. Living in Melbourne (Aus) in a house with little heating or air condiditoning the temperateure jumps like a

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-05 Thread Mark Probert
My $0.02, living in Sydney Australia, is that nylgut mitigates some of he effect of fairly extreme weather changes. We can have a thunder storm roll in and have the temperature drop by 10+C in the space of as many minutes. Gut just gives up in those circumstances. Part B of this is the effect

[LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics?

2012-10-05 Thread sterling price
claudia.fun...@gmail.com To: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com Cc: lute-cs. edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What is the point of synthetics? Hi All My lute originally (made 2010) had carbon strings and I changed to nylgut. The tuning