[LUTE] Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread Omer katzir
Does any one know where i can buy/download Dowland's books? The versions on the net are written for 8 or more course while I'm playing 7 like our not so dear Mr. Dowland. Need it for a project. Thank you all and have a really nice day! To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Rob MacKillop
Thanks Ed and David (and other comments too). Refining my comments a little, I would say that for the solo work I would be happy with a lower pitch, so tuning to F would be no big deal. I was worried about asking a soprano or tenor to sing a tone lower, especially those who have already learned

[LUTE] Re: Recercare

2008-04-02 Thread igor .
getting off from the list todaydon't worry p.s. just because my mailbox is full of interesting topics i fear to become smarter... enjoy -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread Taco Walstra
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 08:23, Omer katzir rattled on the keyboard: Does any one know where i can buy/download Dowland's books? The versions on the net are written for 8 or more course while I'm playing 7 like our not so dear Mr. Dowland. Need it for a project. Thank you all and have a

[LUTE] Igor leaving?

2008-04-02 Thread Ron Fletcher
Does 'getting smarter' from our e-mails, mean he will return one day - with some polished 'netiquette'? Ron (UK) -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread David Tayler
They have a very good resale value :) dt At 07:47 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: Do you guys like Larry Brown's lutes? im looking at his Venere G Lute 8c. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 5

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Mar 19, 2008, at 3:35 AM, Stephen Arndt wrote: David Tayler recently recommended recording at 48Hz/24-bit. As far as I can tell, the Edirol R-1 that I use will only record at 44.1Hz, though it can be set to 24-bit. The trebles sounded a little distorted to me, and I am wondering

[LUTE] Re: Recercare

2008-04-02 Thread gary digman
Why is who's better so important? Is this a race? Gary - Original Message - From: igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute-cs. dartmouth. edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [LUTE] Recercare http://youtube.com/watch?v=lEyk0jOIagw thanks Val !

[LUTE] Re: Capos

2008-04-02 Thread Ed Durbrow
The big problem is having a capo which provides enough pressure to hold all the strings down without buzzing. Or conversely, too much pressure. You need a capo that you can adjust the pressure of. The Dunlop takes a lot of work to adjust, particularly when you think that every fret is

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Rob Although this is slightly at a side issue to your question, it could nevertheless be helpful; I asked Jacob Heringman whether a Gerle or Venere 7c could be used to cover some Italian and later Elizabethan music, I wondered whether the smaller number of ribs of the Bologna style Gerle

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Rob ( and Ed) and all Although this is slightly a side issue to your question, this could nevertheless be helpful; I asked Jacob Heringman whether a Gerle or Venere 7c could be used to cover some Italian and later Elizabethan music, I wondered whether the smaller number of ribs of

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Rob MacKillop
On 02/04/2008, LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: the shoulder is not troubling you anymore, especially with the new theorbo? Thanks for asking, David. Oddly, or not, I have less trouble with the theorbo. Must be using the muscles in a different way. I now play about an hour a day, in

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Rob MacKillop
Confession time: I was originally thinking of a 7c, then played Malcolm Prior's 10c (before it was shipped to Germany), and decided on one of those, at 64cms. Now I'm thinking 7c again...I drive myself and everyone around me crazy sometimes. So what do I want it for? I don't have a lute in

[LUTE] Re: Test 17

2008-04-02 Thread Rob MacKillop
No, it hasn't. Please send me it privately or try again to the list. I'm very much interested in what you have to say, Stewart. Rob On 02/04/2008, Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Test 17 My message sent yesterday to Rob MacKillop about 64 cm lutes does not seem to have come through.

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Rob MacKillop
A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c. Sorry, not interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or another. I'll go either 7 or 10. Probably 7. Thanks for the suggestions, nonetheless! Cheers, Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Why is that so, Rob ? Did one of them bite you when you were a child ;-) ? Best, Jean-Marie === 02-04-2008 13:38:45 === A couple of folks have written to me off-list suggesting an 8c. Sorry, not interested. Just don't like them. Neither one thing or another. I'll go either 7 or 10.

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Benjamin Narvey
Dear Anthony, Rob, et al., My 10c is indeed at 67cm, but it always lived between 392 415; of course with synthetics you could tune a lute like this up to 440 - this is why such a lute is a practical (if sometimes inauthentic and less than musically ideal) solution for those who have to accompany

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Rob That is the second time a message has shot forth without me clicking on the send button. I don't know what is up. I had begun to say . I entirely agree with you. The 8c is not a good solution. I am just wondering whether, if you wanted more Dowland than Franceso, a 9/10 c lute might

[LUTE] 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Rob, Why do you need to be at A=440? Many singers would be grateful, if they could sing those top gs down a semitone or two. So would some members of the audience. I have a 60 cm lute in g' at A=440, and although it is a nice instrument with a sweet tone, it is a bit weedy for giving a

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Benjamin and Rob Oups, sorry Benjamin, I am afraid I got part of that wrong. I think this confusion came from what Martin Haycock said to me about using such a lute as a G lute at 440Hz. He was obviously talking in general. You may also have called it a G lute, but G at 392 presumably.

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Anthony Hind
Jean-Marie Rob was wanting to find a compromise that would allow him to play 6c italian Renaissance music as well as late Dowland. A 7c can manage that repertoire, but I think the extra course of an 8c would give too confused a sound for 6c music. Just as Rob is doing now, I was

[LUTE] 7c at 64 cms

2008-04-02 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Rob, I sent this message yesterday evening, but it seems to have got lost in the ether. In fact it duplicates what has already been said by others, but I'll send it again anyway. All the best, Stewart. Dear Rob, Why do you need to be at A=440? Many singers would be grateful, if they

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64 cms

2008-04-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
No Stewart, it didn't get lost : I got it in my mailbox a couple of hours ago. It just took its time to fly across the Channel AND the Atlantic ! Best wishes, Jean-Marie === 02-04-2008 17:22:57 === Dear Rob, I sent this message yesterday evening, but it seems to have got lost in

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Anthony and Rob, Why such a disdain for 8 c. lutes ? I have one and will soon have a new one from David Van Edwards and I love the instrument : well-balanced, convenient for most of the repertoire from 1560 to 1620. It puzzles me to see you reject is as you do... Of course it doesn't deprive

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thanks Anthony for these precisions. My original message seems to have reached the list with some delay, which doesn't really matter anyway ;-) ! All the best, Jean-Marie === 02-04-2008 17:01:01 === Jean-Marie Rob was wanting to find a compromise that would allow him to play 6c

[LUTE] Greetings to All

2008-04-02 Thread jelcox
Hello to Everyone My name is Kerry Cox and I've just joined the list and am new to the lute world. After some research, I've decided to order a lute from Larry Brown and am looking forward to all things related to this wonderful instrument. I have been a guitar player for many years and I

[LUTE] Re: Pilkington, for lute viol

2008-04-02 Thread Eric Crouch
The bass viol part for this piece doubles the bass line of the lute part! Eric Crouch On 2 Apr 2008, at 17:32, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Hi! http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Pilkington/pdf/pavan_for_lute_and_viol.pdf sounds promising, but where is the viol part? best wishes Bernd

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread Christopher Stetson
Hi, all, If it is the books of songs that you're looking for, Dover Publications has (or had) an inexpensive modern edition; complete, 2 books to the volume. They include original ( i.e., modern typeset) tab, staff notation for capoed guitar with F# 3rd, and voice. Very nice, as these things

[LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 5

2008-04-02 Thread David Tayler
44.1 and 48 are not twice the frequency of human hearing, that distinction is reserved for 88.2 and 96. The Fostex is one of the best flash recorders, it had better preamps and converters than the competition, its only drawback is that headphone amp is a little cheap, but that in no way

[LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 5

2008-04-02 Thread Grant Green
Actually, the standard accepted values for the human hearing range are approximately 20Hz to 20KHz. The upper limit declines with age... Grant On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:08 AM, David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 44.1 and 48 are not twice the frequency of human hearing, that distinction is

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread David Tayler
I don't recommend 8 courses 9 courses would be a good choice for Dowland 7 and 9 would cover almost all of the pieces you mention, and is better for the very early Dowland pieces, plus the chromatic pieces. Isn't there a Star Trek character named 7 of 9? Surely it is a sign. I think the 9 course

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread Jeffrey Noonan
Broude Brothers Performer's Facsimile Series--lute song books by Dowland and others as well as Robert Dowland's Varietie of Lute Lessons. They used to be priced around $18-25 per book. Broude does have the occasional sale where you can save 10-20% if you spend enough $$, but OMI should

[LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 5

2008-04-02 Thread David Tayler
That is correct, so 44.1 is not twice the standard, it corresponds roughly to the standard. 88.2 is twice the standard. I have met people who can hear 22K, which is roughly recording at 48kHz. Twice that standard is 96kHz. However, 48 has the added benefit of reproducing harmonic artifacts in

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Rob MacKillop
Thanks to everyone for their input. I've decided instead to get a Fender Stratocaster - covers most things from Francesco to Jimi, and costs a lot less. Jean-Marie - I used to have an 8c (seems like a thousand years ago) on which (at the advice of Jacob Lindberg) I swaped the bottom two courses

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread David Tayler
Why play a single manual harpsichord, when two is more? It is a good question, is there more essential lutiness in a niner? I think so. but that is subjective. Historically, you can argue pretty persuasively for 9, but there sure were ten course instruments as well. Also, is a good 10c better

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread David Rastall
On Apr 2, 2008, at 2:27 PM, David Tayler wrote: ...Historically, you can argue pretty persuasively for 9, but there sure were ten course instruments as well. Also, is a good 10c better than a bad 9c, if makers have more experience with 10? ...which one is right for the music? For

[LUTE] Re: 7c at 64cms

2008-04-02 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Fine with me, David. That's a deal ! ;-) Jean-Marie === 02-04-2008 21:05:30 === I have a suggestion that will solve all our problems. How about this: on odd-numbered years the 8- course will be proclaimed the best all-purpose renaissance lute, and on even-numbered years the

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread Christopher Stetson
Here are links for the Dover editions: http://store.doverpublications.com/048629935x.html http://store.doverpublications.com/0486422445.html Jeffrey Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/2/2008 1:12 pm Broude Brothers Performer's Facsimile Series--lute song books by Dowland and others as well as Robert

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread Arthur Ness
Here is the OMI list. They have all the books of ayres, plus other things. http://www.omifacsimiles.com/cats/lute.pdf I may have mentioned this. The third boook was offered for sale by an Ameriucan antiquarian for $15,000 and a few years later, marked down for quick sale to $13,500. I

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books

2008-04-02 Thread David Tayler
I think there are only two of LOST Lachrimae or Seven Tears, each different. dt At 02:37 PM 4/2/2008, you wrote: Here is the OMI list. They have all the books of ayres, plus other things. http://www.omifacsimiles.com/cats/lute.pdf I may have mentioned this. The third boook was offered for