[LUTE] Re: theorbo repertoire

2019-04-19 Thread Jerzy Zak
Roman, Kapsperger covers partly your search. Look at L. IV d'intav di chitarrone 1640: Preludio 5to - e-minor (finalis E-major) Preludio 6to - e-minor (finalis E-major) Toccata 3za - e-minor (finalis E-major) Toccata 4ta - E-major! Passacaglia on p. 34 - e-minor Corrente on p. 46 - e-minor This

[LUTE] Re: Aegidius

2018-03-22 Thread Jerzy Zak
I could help but my file with scans of the MS is a little massy, I’d have to put the pages in order, what I could do this weekend, if you'll not find a faster solution. Jerzy — > On 22 Mar 2018, at 13:41, Rainer wrote: > > Dear lute netters, > > I have to check a few concordances in Aegidius

[LUTE] Re: Arciliuto, Matteo Sellas, Venezia 1639

2017-08-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
; solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. >If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email > and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003) > > > Il

[LUTE] Arciliuto, Matteo Sellas, Venezia 1639

2017-08-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear All, Where to get from a working drawing of the Arciliuto by Matteo Sellas, Venezia 1639, Cat. 104 - Inv. 1748? Thanks in advance, Jerzy — To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Taned Spolski

2017-06-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
Rainer, “Tanec Spolski” could mean “A Dance from Poland”, if understood as if properly written “Taniec z Polski”. Probably notated phonetically. That reminds me a couple of dances in Pietro Paolo MELIJ, Intavolatura di Liuto attiorbato…, libro secondo, Venetia 1614, where one can find even funn

[LUTE] Re: Vivat Eliza

2017-04-23 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Tomoko, Try GoogleTranslate. Put your fraze in the space on the left, choose a language you think it is in, and press the little speaker underneath. Then keep changing languages until you think it rhymes best with ‘Ave María’. Stupid but works ;) Jerzy — > On 23 Apr 2017, at 17:02, luteni

[LUTE] Re: Danzig 4022

2016-08-15 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Danny, You can contact Magdalena Tomsinska who’s done extensive work on Danzig 4022, including a long and informative article (unfortunately in Polish only) and a list of concordaces. I’m not sure if I can post here her private email, but you can find her on Facebook at https://www.faceboo

[LUTE] 8-ch lute strings spacing

2012-11-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Lutelist, A student of mine is expacting a new 8-ch lute. The maker has little experience with an instrument of such number of courses. So we all need some advice from you. We need a typical spacing on both sides of strings, …if there is such "typical" spacing, of course. Anyway, at least

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polska 41

2012-06-15 Thread Jerzy Zak
What is that title meaning, Romcio? JŻ --- On 2012-06-14, at 06:17, Roman Turovsky wrote: > "Trond Bengtson Polska" - > http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska41.mp3 > http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska41.pdf > > Enjoy. > Amitiès, > RT To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Tansman / de Visée

2012-06-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
ated, used any primary sources in tablatuer. I do have Le Pupitre edition (R Strizich) but it was published in France in 1969. Was there anything earlier in circulation, before the 1960, so inspiring? Jerzy Zak --- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] diatessaron/diapente

2011-10-30 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear friends, In the Supplement to LUTE NEWS 99 there is a second part of Bach Suite bwv1006a intabulated by Wilfred Foxe. It is presented here in a key of D major, quite unusually. In the Critical Commentary Wilfred Foxe explains: "The tonality of the original suite is E major, and this has be

[LUTE] Re: modern lute (Gift To The Fall)

2010-10-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
> There is an interesting discussion on the Baroque lutelist about modern > compositions for D-minor lute. Gilbert Isbin has written some pieces for lute > in G tuning. > > Jerzy Zak writes: "Unfortunately, modern music needs playing on the highest > level, including a well tuned

[LUTE] Re: 4 lutes

2010-04-12 Thread Jerzy Zak
To All, and to Anton, You are very kind and generous man but please do not use the rapidshare.com service in future, as it is definitely not a free service as it may look. I have a necessity to use it just few times a year and not by my own choice, so I don't feel the necessity to pay for it. B

[LUTE] T Merula

2009-08-27 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear All, I'm looking for a collection of vocal music with continuo : "Il Curtio precipitato..." of 1638 by Tarquinio MERULA. Seams that the net is full of CD recordings but no edition, either modern score or a facsimile. Do you know where to get it from? Thanks in advance, Jurek ___

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
there is a difference between the written use of the word an= d the spoken use of the word, but of course the word mainly appea= rs in printed material. Respectfully, dt At 01:16 AM 7/10/2009, you wrote: "Jerzy Zak" schrieb: = ; > That reminds me the term rather seldom use

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
lling) bought from him in London? J On 2009-07-10, at 16:54, Roman Turovsky wrote: The englaving is unusually precise. Look for the strange slots cut in the walls of the pegbox. especially the bass side. It sure looks like an angelique to me. RT - Original Message - From:

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
__ On 2009-07-10, at 16:54, Roman Turovsky wrote: The englaving is unusually precise. Look for the strange slots cut in the walls of the pegbox. especially the bass side. It sure looks like an angelique to me. RT - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" To: "Karl-L.

[LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
rings. It is possible. Thanks for the observation, Jurek On 2009-07-10, at 16:27, Karl-L. Eggert wrote: J, if you count the pegs on Adamo´s Lute there will be some more than 13 or 14. Karl - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu&

[LUTE] Re: The Glogauer Liederbuch

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
Try to contact Dr Pawel Gancarczyk pawel.gancarc...@ispan.pl from IS PAN (The Institute of Art - Polish Academy of Science) http://www.ispan.pl/eng/instituteofart.htm In his "choice of publications" (Wybor publikacji) you can find in English e.g.: http://www.ispan.pl/stronyprac/ISPAN/gancarcz

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-07-10, at 14:09, David van Ooijen wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Jerzy Zak wrote: http://tinyurl.com/muyoco Single stringing is historical ;-))) As is playing from empty scores. ;-) David That's right! I know one wired gamba player and composer(!) who once has

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-07-10, at 12:11, David Tayler wrote: The problem here is that single stringing is historical, .. Yeee... There are men who loves "chaos", they need it to breath, to florish, in the best possible terms. Others cannot live without order, alwaye seeking knowledge and establishing harm

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
: "Jerzy Zak" Oh well, I remember it from my school years, …hm. I thought it was an eastern/communistic miserable licence for a substitute of harpsichord, at most good for a cabaret. Now!, I see, it has it's class and composers. Tomorrow we'll need a true replica ;-)) j _ On

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
, at 00:03, Roman Turovsky wrote: I think it is a contraption that inserts a metal platelet between hammers and strings, and creates a sort of a "whorehouse harpsichord". It was much loved by both Dessau and Eisler. RT (fan of both) - Original Message ----- From: &q

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
tiorbato, the arciliuto and the archlute. Someone put a language link to it into http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzlaute, but that is misleading. The German term Erzlaute was meant to be generic. Mathias "Jerzy Zak" schrieb: David, Thanks for that. Besides, you've writen a very i

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
David, Thanks for that. Besides, you've writen a very interesting comment on the "latest semiannual online comparison of video hosting sites…". I'm absolutely not qualified to comment on that, but would love to read other's -- just to remind it's still "untouched" by other pluckers. Perhaps

[LUTE] Erzlaute

2009-07-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
What is an "Erzlaute"? The other instruments pecified on the page are "organ, harpsichord, violins, cello, guitar, theorbE". jz ___ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Lost Berlin Manuscripts

2009-04-06 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Luca, A short list of them you can see here: http://www-bnus.u-strasbg.fr/Smt/pl.htm Jurek -- Dear Luca, Wouldn't it be more usefull to get hold of a younger publication?: Dieter Kursch, Lenz Meierott (ed.) - Berliner Lautentabulaturen in Krakau, Schott 1992. Leaving

[LUTE] Re: Lost Berlin Manuscripts

2009-04-06 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Luca, Wouldn't it be more usefull to get hold of a younger publication?: Dieter Kursch, Lenz Meierott (ed.) - Berliner Lautentabulaturen in Krakau, Schott 1992. Leaving aside all the old legends from the pre-1980's, you'll get from the book detailed descriptions with incipits of all th

[LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-02-09, at 16:39, David Rastall wrote: On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: May I remind all of you interested in that thread on hand position, that I had put up a couple of web pages with iconographical evidence about that very same point. You will find it there : fo

[LUTE] Re: RH position, was: Dilettantism

2009-02-09 Thread Jerzy Zak
I like your comment very much. I might only add that if the sound idea is ''before'' the instrument, then in between is the hand. So, to put it a bit facetiously, if one has a 'heavy hand'', the tension of strings, and therefore a hand position, is no problem... ;-)) There is of course no l

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Anthony, On 2009-02-08, at 19:16, Anthony Hind wrote: Indeed, there are signs that there were disagreements, between lutenists of past times. About the practice of using Bologna lutes... Some lutenists like Mace and Jacques Gautier, who seem to... The description by Mace of J. Gautie

[LUTE] Re: Karamazov

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Karamazov and Dilettantism! Really fascinating. Is anybody brave enough to throw an exegesis on the combination? Is Karamazov a perversely hidden dilettante dressed up in attributes of great virtuoso or is he an evangelist of true and clean expression, just the instrument (a bit moded but s

[LUTE] Re: Dilettantism

2009-02-08 Thread Jerzy Zak
Anthony, I'm really fascinted by your detailed analyzis of all technicall matters concerning lute construction, stringing and playing. I wish I had such an eye on all this things. But in my experience, after some 40 years of observations of teaching music playing (including my own regular

[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill

2009-02-07 Thread Jerzy Zak
Quite funny -- Karamazov (by accident of course!) in context of dilettantism on the list now... ;-)) J On 2009-02-07, at 09:55, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: ;-) Honest, Roman ? JM === 07-02-2009 01:48:26 === Musicality. RT - Original Message - From: "Mark Wheeler" To:

[LUTE] Re: tremolo was Tench Frill

2009-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
David, you prevailed me, you are a true visionary. J __ On 2009-02-05, at 11:30, David Tayler wrote: "as strong as the rattle of dice in a box" was the way it was described :) dt At 12:23 AM 2/5/2009, you wrote: On 2009-02-04, at 21:30, David Tayler wrote: BTW, the tremolo is more

[LUTE] Re: Haynes Book, was French trill?

2009-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Excuse me, but are we talking about some rare forgotten curiosity of someones articulation or a term on par with vibrato, considering modern termonology. Until now I thought 'tremolo' is a fast repetition of one or two notes, as in scoring (orchestration/ instrumentation) for bowed strings,

[LUTE] Re: Haynes Book, was French trill?

2009-02-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2009-02-04, at 21:30, David Tayler wrote: BTW, the tremolo is more interesting than the vibrato in early recordings. People stopped using it. And it sure sounds better without it. I'd trade vibrato for tremolo any day. Nobody talks about that, but it is the biggest single change in perf

[LUTE] Re: players getting better--was Trench Fill

2009-02-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
Michal, Welcome to the list! J __ On 2009-02-04, at 17:27, Michał Jasionowski wrote: 2009/2/3 <[1]chriswi...@yahoo.com> Unfortunately for human society, the strongest, best, most sensible evolutionary advances in any field are hopelessly pitted against an even more powerf

[LUTE] Re: SLW, again

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
No J _ On 2009-02-04, at 00:18, Edward Martin wrote: Is there an English translation? ed At 11:05 PM 2/3/2009 +0100, Jerzy Zak wrote: --===AVGMAIL-4988C134=== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Silvius Leopold W.

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
I hope so. Regards J _ On 2009-02-03, at 23:24, Markus Lutz wrote: Hello Bernd and Jurek, I only understand: Weiss, Grodkow, Jerzy Zak ... So Grodkow now finally celebrates Weiss as son of the town, isn't it? Best regards Markus Bernd Haegemann schrieb: Wow, while we are ta

[LUTE] Re: SLW, again

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
It is absolutely mad and crazy text, I have never said such stupidities as the author relates. I see one has to be extremaly carefull about those gazetteers of popular local papers. But all in all they generated a positive movement arround Weiss and the lute. Of course this is the strongest

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
rns more form one note of a great player than... and ...music is forever. But poetry and love are rare today and should be respected. I appreciate your faith in EM but will stay in my uncertain quest for another answer. J ___ On 2009-02-03, at 20:29, David Rastall wrote: On Feb 3,

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
David T, David R, On 2009-02-03, at 17:30, David Rastall wrote: On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:19 AM, David Tayler wrote: I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better. You mean your father and grandfather's or the Bocquet and Mouton way? As I'd objectively appreciate and trust the

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
If it's still about ''French trill'', I'd insist -- it's ''ours trill'', however long would be someone's explanations and justifications. Therefore the HIP performance is always ''modern'' or ''currant'' or ''today'' (without going into the present day entangled terminology). In a way the

[LUTE] Re: Old Satoh Vinyl Recording

2009-02-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
Becouse people quite often don't hear while listening. But if you'll tell them you are playing on gut, then it is entirely different story. J ___ On 2009-02-02, at 19:28, howard posner wrote: How do gut strings mask incompetence? However gut has been used lately to mask various forms/de

[LUTE] French trill + New thrill

2009-02-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
OK, then live music is always (?) fresh and ''currant'' (instead of ''modern''), whatever you'd say about its origin or background. Now, concerning the ''replication of the past'' versus ''continuation of the school'', don't you think that since long -- perhaps 20 or 30 years -- lutemakers

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
music", it is a great antidote to the recent crisis that the HIP movement received from Taruskin's writings. You can read a few pages here http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Early-Music-Performers-Twenty-first/dp/ 019518987 6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233529394&

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
Of course, the paradox concernes us, creators and consumers of music and our vision of the modern phenomenon called ''historical music''. It is a fancy interplay between science and art, it's a modern thing in music history -- isn't it?, and in a way quite logically it's ''modern music'' as

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
a new religion, for others unacceptable. These are paradoxes of the so called historical music. J ___ Andreas Am 01.02.2009 um 17:52 schrieb Jerzy Zak: The problem is, it is a long note and a simple ''shake/trill'' concisting of three notes (as one can surmise from Me

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
The problem is, it is a long note and a simple ''shake/trill'' concisting of three notes (as one can surmise from Mersenne twisting description) biginning from the main note, is not enough. It is a long note and long notes invite something extra, something special. The well known Lacrimae b

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Mathias, On 2009-02-01, at 00:23, Mathias Rösel wrote: Dear Jerzy, checking the source would be great, but unfortunately I share your plight, not owning a copy or facsimile of Vm7 6214. I have to rely on the CNRS edition. I wasn't familiar with the dating by Rave. The sisters Bocquet fl

[LUTE] Re: French trill

2009-01-30 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Mathias, So lets to the point and your Allemande. I don't pretend my method is right but if I'd have such a problem for the first time I'd first chack the source as I do not always trust the CNRS editions wich I just catched.The volume was published in 1972, the 'Tableau des signes de

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-01-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
tended for the composer's well-ordered French universe. On Jan 29, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Some of you may know the famous French work by Jean-Féry Rebel, namely "Les elemens" and its first part, "Le Cahos". Here you can clik and listen to the first cho

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-01-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
Mathias, As you asked David, I'll refrain from answering that particular questio. But something not so far removed comes to my mind. Some of you may know the famous French work by Jean-Féry Rebel, namely "Les elemens" and its first part, "Le Cahos". Here you can clik and listen to the firs

[LUTE] Re: French trill?

2009-01-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear David and All, Strange discussion or rather no dscussion... It's good point about today preference for a short appogiatura among lutenists playing baroque music. Very often it sounds as if a luteplayer were playing those small notes in Giuliani or Carulli ;-)) I don't know if it's rel

[LUTE] Re: Bach & Telemann

2009-01-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
David, Can you give the TWV numbers for Telemann, like there are BWV for Bach? J ___ On 2009-01-24, at 09:33, David Tayler wrote: My new CD is up on Magnatune--as always, free to listen! dt http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/voicesofmusic-bachtelemann/ To get on or off this list see

[LUTE] Re: schmeltzer chaconne

2008-11-18 Thread Jerzy Zak
Timo, But in case you are looking rather for the J.G. Muffat's beautiful Passacaglia in A major, the only copy I know of is in A-KR L 83, p. (or f.) 89. Best, Jurek - On 2008-11-18, at 18:53, Peedu Timo wrote: No, it isn't, but thanks for everybody for leading me to very

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-26 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-10-25, at 13:57, G. Crona wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> V.A. Coelho, "Authority, Autonomy, and Interpretation in Seventeenth- Century Italian Music", in: _Performance on the Lute, Guitar and Vihuela_, ed.

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-10-24, at 23:14, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: If I remember well, beside of one Pignatelli MS (PL-Kj), I have never heard about this manuscript. Please, tell me more about it! PL-Kj Mus. Ms. 40591 V.A. Coelho, "Authority, Autonomy, and Interpretation in Seventeenth- Century Itali

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
wouldn't let anyone see them, a bit like the Chilesotti debacle... RT - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist Net" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo Of course, Orlando Christo

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
see them, a bit like the Chilesotti debacle... RT - Original Message ----- From: "Jerzy Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist Net" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo Of course, Orlando Christoforetti in his pre

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Of course, Orlando Christoforetti in his preface to Dalla Casa _Sonate_ gives even more names. Presumably in this respect you could cite half of the address books from all Italian cities and viliges. It is as usefull for us as news from the moon, until you'll point out to the hard copy of t

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
That's something! A bit more detailes, Roman, please. J __ On 2008-10-24, at 20:23, Roman Turovsky wrote: And in the 18th century- Antonio Scotti, Melchiorre Chiesa, Antonio Tinazzoli, Giuseppe Vaccari and Lodovico Fontanelli. RT - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier"

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Of course, Jean-Marie, my to obvious omission, but still, the period coinsiding with the 11/13-c lute repertoire is extremely unfavorable for the archlute as the solo instrument. Perhaps Italians were still playing it, but mostly in Italy - vide Arigoni dynasty (no single piece of music I k

[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Obviously, it's good to know about the two or three Losy's pieces and a couple of Reusner's one transfered to theorbo. But I hope you are not going to say the d-m lute, after this discovery, is practically useless and everything can be reintabulated to an archlute now - ? If I remember well

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
But I havn't heared any complains when a trio of a singer, lute and gamba are glorifying the Dowland's name. To be honest, to my ears the lute is almost inaudible in such setting, and discussions about poliphony of it's part or consecutive fifths is aimless. Very often even without gamba. In fac

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
st, to my ears the lute is almost inaudible in such setting, and discussions about poliphony of it's part or consecutive fifths is aimless. Very often even without gamba. J __ RT - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist N

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
To my ears rather naive, harmonically poor, but still nice to play. Like a tipical Italian Aria, invites meldic or other lute idiomatic ornamentation. But it's a splendid occasion! Is there a brave one who'd make an 11-c d-minor lute edition? It can be plain, as is the original, or ornament

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Matthias, On 2008-10-24, at 12:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I do like accompanying a singer though. > > RT > > Here you are, though you don't like it: H Albert, G Voigtländer, J.H. > Schein, H. Schütz, Ch Bernhard, A. Krieger, J. Rist, T Selle, A > Hammerschmidt, J Nauwach, C Ch Dedekind

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-24 Thread Jerzy Zak
Mathias, My post was only techincally glued to your reply, I know you are into the baroque lute. On 2008-10-24, at 12:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can buy Weiss or Logi on an archlute if it's for fun or pleasure. Equally well one can try Pulenc on theorbo or Kapsperger on modern harp, or

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-23 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-10-24, at 03:49, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: "Jerzy Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> doesn't happen to often, I'm afraid). But why the real baroque lute is such a black sheep, why such a distaste, reluctance or even aversion? Why the few maniacs only use b

[LUTE] Re: Weiss, Logy and archlute

2008-10-23 Thread Jerzy Zak
Weiss and Logy on archlute! Well, of course, everything is explanable, I can understand any individual approach. In the end music as an art or entertainment is 'free'. Also history is a very plastic phenomenon, what endless discussions at least on this list only testify. But why there is su

[LUTE] Re: Dowland know-how

2008-10-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
Diana Poulton, at whose house in London I leved for almost two years, instructed me Dowland should be prnunced like Poland. How she's got that knowledge I don't know. Jurek ___ On 2008-10-02, at 14:53, dc wrote: I suppose this question has already been asked umpteen times, but here goe

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weyrauch

2008-09-29 Thread Jerzy Zak
But he is a regular guitarist, with all its goods and bads… Probably thinks we are silly fools ;-)) But the video is OK, if you like anything played efficiently. J ___ On 2008-09-29, at 14:35, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Does anyone know what this exactly is? http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=u0dH

[LUTE] Roman's email

2008-09-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
Roman, Aren't there some problems with your email account? jz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Krakow SAM 2008

2008-06-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
from ca. 1760’s, as probably the latest. Here follow extracted fragments, but you are invited to see the original web page given above. Jurek (Jerzy Zak) Ladies and Gentlemen, Summer Music Academy will celebrate its first jubilee. It is with pleasure

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising no evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Diego, On 2008-02-05, at 21:51, Diego Cantalupi wrote: Changing instrumentation in music of the time is as natural as breathing. Almost all title pages of printed music testify to it. Not so easy... it's very difficult, if not impossible, to find any music for theorbo in mensural

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino, by Castaldi

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Tremendous thanks for this, Diego. Transcibing such in an old and foreign language text from an original would be a nightmare for me. Jurek _ On 2008-02-05, at 21:56, Diego Cantalupi wrote: That's the (difficult) text. I'll try to upload he page later ALLA NOBILE, SPLENDIDA E VIR

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
I couldn't quickly find a fitting example of a XVIth c. pair pavan- galliard, but I have at hand Terzi's 1st book of tab. and their on p. 115-117: Ballo Tedesco… / Il Saltarello del prescrito ballo. They are closly related thematically and it immadiately appeares that one bar/ measure of th

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Original Message- From: Jerzy Zak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:31 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: Playing in time Thank you Jean-Marie, After reading you and looking again to the Arthur's exemples, I should have written: 1 galliard measure (one beat) = 1/

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 14:21, tiorba wrote: In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob. Jurek It's indeed ve

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Thank you Jean-Marie, After reading you and looking again to the Arthur's exemples, I should have written: 1 galliard measure (one beat) = 1/2 of a pavan measure (one beat) and in an original mensural notation would be: 3 half notes of a galliard (one beat to a measure) = 1 whole note of a

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 17:33, LGS-Europe wrote: Recorder and viol players are often shocked at the slowness of speeds requested by lutenists for broken consort music (Morley 1599 et al), and a compromise has to be reached. << One of the top lute players once confessed to me why he is no longe

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 15:15, Arthur Ness wrote: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/divideos.html Thank you, Arthur, Then it is 1 galliard measure = 1/4 of a pavan measure. In mensural notation (not modern, often changing values) it might be: 3 half notes of a galliard (one measure) = 1 half note

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob. Jurek ___ On 2008-02-05, at 10:55, Rob Lute wrote: I ha

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-04 Thread Jerzy Zak
e on the same course (3rd at fret 7) and then plays the same note on course 2 (fret1) to start the next short phrase. This, I suggest, shows he made a concious choice to start the next phrase at the lower octave - in short double reentrant. Personally, I rather like the octave leap at the

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G/A? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
Martyn, All this is very persuasive, but what about the story of a double re- entrant instrument with double strings and the second course in octaves, in G or A? From my sketchy calculations it appeares it must be an instrument of about 74 cm (stopped), considering on one side the breaking

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time

2008-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Stewart and Jaroslaw, In a way you are both right advocating legitimate interpretations, theoretically opposite. But they overlap and that common region is in much degree subjective, depending on context, historicall or personal styles, even some national propensities (compare the Ital

[LUTE] Re: a liste-machine

2008-02-01 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-01, at 11:26, Ron Fletcher wrote: Hi Jerzy, Your message has arrived on the list, so it should work in reverse. Check your Junk-Mail folder. List messages to you could be treated as spam. You may need to re-set your spam-filter to allow these messages to reach your Inbox. Ron (U

[LUTE] a liste-machine

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Strange, I'm not receiving messages I am sending to the Liste - Am I doing something wrog? Jurek To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 20:42, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: A small price to pay for being able to play a three-note chord over middle C in first position? That's the point and the most promising bit. However the price seems to me not small, indeed, and therefore my quest for someone maybe expe

[LUTE] Re: Playing in time (olim Polish, anyone?)

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 20:15, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Are these markings in historical tabulatures too? I do not remember i saw one. I was thinking of the French ornamentation markings: offhand the only one I can think of without searching through the music is a slanted line separating vertical

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Howard, On 2008-01-31, at 18:59, howard posner wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I'm not sure what the "it" in your question is. Martyn Hodgson in

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-01-31, at 18:20, LGS-Europe wrote: Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? I don't. I keep mine (76cm) in a, first two courses down. All gut, 415 to 466 tested. I don't see the point why not. I haven't seen valid and or historical argum

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Jerzy Zak
Hm..., how many of you are playing continuo on a theorbo in 'd', if it's so obvoius? Jurek ___ On 2008-01-31, at 17:25, LGS-Europe wrote: I've already very clearly explained how small theorboes (ie up to low 80s) were tuned (and even given sources for tablature) and genera

[LUTE]

2008-01-25 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear List, No browser can open an address beginning with: ed2k:// like in this: ed2k://|file|hurel.zip|32417611|382 This is taken from page: http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Baroque:Fran%26ccedil%3Baise somewhere under: Fac simile disponible en P2P Jurek To get on or o

[BAROQUE-LUTE] theorbo music sources

2007-12-12 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear List, I know, the Christian MEYER catalogue of sources, both on paper and on the net is a splendid tool for searching through music in tablature, ..but it doesn't mention (the www part) what is for lute and what is for a theorbo. In case of Italian chitarrone music there is Kevin Mason b

[LUTE] Re: Piccinini notation query

2007-12-02 Thread Jerzy Zak
For me the simple answer is: -- three quick note / one long / three quick note / one long / etc... Unless sombody knows another source with a more precise notation of the piece, there is no authoritative solution to the question. To my knowledge that generation of lutenists had no way to notate

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 13 course rider/swan

2007-11-30 Thread Jerzy Zak
tried the note on my 'Edlinger' and must say all the discussion on temperament not long ago on the Lute-Liste in this case would have to be put into fairy-tales. Jurek ___ - Original Message From: Jerzy Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Barocklautenliste Luteli

[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties

2007-11-26 Thread Jerzy Zak
May be the other contrepartie has been ''(re)constructed'' ;-)) ? Jurek On 2007-11-26, at 18:08, Arthur Ness wrote: Only two Visee contreparties are in Paris sources. There is the wonderful finding tool that Christian Meyer and his associates are making for our use. It is a

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