[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Stephan Olbertz]

I have wound gut on courses 11 to 14 on my new bass rider lute, and they
sound wonderful! Not too bright, not too dull, good transition with the
quite openly wound higher basses (Kürschner luxline).
Most surprising was  the perfect blend with the normal high twist octaves,
sounds nearly like one note. 
Best regards
Stephan

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. August 2017 19:59
An: Dan Winheld
Cc: Lute List
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

Thanks Dan.
'The Lute in its historical reality' will be soon update; in fact, there are
some new things:

1) Lute chantarelles: I was able to do a few  experimental lute 1st string
starting from a lamb- whole gut of 1to 3 months of life (see Attyanasius
Kirker, Rome 1650) . The samples were even on their whole  lenght (not
conical or tapered, I mean: see Capirola 1517 ca.); the breacking point was
around 36 Kg/mm2; the gauges, -after a slight hand-polishing-  were between
.39- .42 mm. The sound? Marvelous (isn't interesting?).

2) Vihuela unissons/octaves: I have to re-write some points because they
were not well explained. Yes, I still think that the Vihuela 5th, 6th bases
were with octaves, not in usissons.

3) 17 th c. lute basses (loaded): I have a few more historical informations
to add to the section.

4) There are much more historical evidences concerning the use of wound
strings on German d -minor lutes of 11 & 13 courses. The first is of 1716
(Thanks to Andreas Schleger researching). There are others: one of 1730's;
one of 1740's; two of 1760's; one of 1790's.  Unfortunately is not weritten
if the wound strings were done on gut or silk cores.

Take care
Mimmo

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 31 ago 2017, alle ore 18:20, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> ha
scritto:
> 
> And not to be forgotten, the great work of Dan Larson of "Gamut" Strings-
using real gut subjected to great research & creativity to bring us lute
strings- esp. those troublesome basses- that come closer to a "real" thing!
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at 
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche]

Thanks Dan.
'The Lute in its historical reality' will be soon update; in fact, there are 
some new things:

1) Lute chantarelles: I was able to do a few  experimental lute 1st string 
starting from a lamb- whole gut of 1to 3 months of life (see Attyanasius 
Kirker, Rome 1650) . The samples were even on their whole  lenght (not conical 
or tapered, I mean: see Capirola 1517 ca.); the breacking point was around 36 
Kg/mm2; the gauges, -after a slight hand-polishing-  were between .39- .42 mm. 
The sound? Marvelous (isn't interesting?).

2) Vihuela unissons/octaves: I have to re-write some points because they were 
not well explained. Yes, I still think that the Vihuela 5th, 6th bases were 
with octaves, not in usissons.

3) 17 th c. lute basses (loaded): I have a few more historical informations to 
add to the section.

4) There are much more historical evidences concerning the use of wound strings 
on German d -minor lutes of 11 & 13 courses. The first is of 1716 (Thanks to 
Andreas Schleger researching). There are others: one of 1730's; one of 1740's; 
two of 1760's; one of 1790's.  Unfortunately is not weritten if the wound 
strings were done on gut or silk cores.

Take care
Mimmo

Inviato da iPhone

> Il giorno 31 ago 2017, alle ore 18:20, Dan Winheld  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> And not to be forgotten, the great work of Dan Larson of "Gamut" Strings- 
> using real gut subjected to great research & creativity to bring us lute 
> strings- esp. those troublesome basses- that come closer to a "real" thing!
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche]

Thanks Dan.
'The Lute in its historical reality' will be soon update; in fact, there are 
some new things:

1) Lute chantarelles: I was able to do a few  experimental lute 1st string 
starting from a lamb- whole gut of 1to 3 months of life (see Attyanasius 
Kirker, Rome 1650) . The samples were even on their whole  lenght (not conical 
or tapered, I mean: see Capirola 1517 ca.); the breacking point was around 36 
Kg/mm2; the gauges, -after a slight hand-polishing-  were between .39- .42 mm. 
The sound? Marvelous (isn't interesting?).

2) Vihuela unissons/octaves: I have to re-write some points because they were 
not well explained. Yes, I still think that the Vihuela 5th, 6th bases were 
with octaves, not in usissons.

3) 17 th c. lute basses (loaded): I have a few more historical informations to 
add to the section.

4) There are much more historical evidences concerning the use of wound strings 
on German d -minor lutes of 11 & 13 courses. The first is of 1716 (Thanks to 
Andreas Schleger researching). There are others: one of 1730's; one of 1740's; 
two of 1760's; one of 1790's.  Unfortunately is not weritten if the wound 
strings were done on gut or silk cores.

Take care
Mimmo

-Messaggio originale-
Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
Dan Winheld
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 17:54
A: Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <mperu...@aquilacorde.com>; Lute List 
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

Oh yes; here it is: "The lute in its historical reality" by Mimmo Peruffo

http://ricerche.aquilacorde.com/wp-content/uploads/liuto-en.pdf

Should be "required reading" by all lute students, players, & teachers. 
No matter how you end up stringing your instruments. Over 50 years of luting I 
have done my own small efforts; sacrifices, mistakes, and at this point have 
made the compromises (bargains with the devil too) necessary to continue as I 
head into the sunset, frets still fraying & strings still breaking.

Dan

On 8/31/2017 2:23 AM, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche wrote:
> Ciao,
> I have to thanks all the friends  that has apreciated my efforts. It is very 
> emotional, guys.
> I would like to make a few things transparent (thanks Martyn. BTW:  you are 
> right about Ephraim Segerman): since now, the whole cost of all the tests, 
> concerning the sole copper powder, the most expensive, was around 8,000 euros 
> (I not consider here the worker's costs, elastomer cost  elettricity etc 
> etc). Despite that  it was my choice so I take the responsability on my back 
> and so I do not complain.
> Lukly for me, to make or preserve money is not the mean goal of my life 
> (instead, I would like to thanks the Ukulele that actually give out the 
> economical support for all these tests).
>
> Yes, I am working hard on this project:  it is one of my dream, maybe the 
> bigger.  The sound of these CD's is exactly what I heard in my  head for 
> years and years since 1990's. The CD's maifest itsehlf my own idea how a bass 
> lute string should be and maybe it was even in the past. There are a few old 
> sources that decribes the sound of the lute basses.
> Yes: I have a sort addiction/passion on that. Lol.
>
> Last point: I am totally in feel  and I totally agree on what Matthew and 
> others thinks: In the same position I probably will be even worse. No one is 
> happy to lost money and be even unsatisfact. A customer that have payed a 
> product deserves a good product. Sentence.
> This is why I am there to do my service:  when I will have found the final 
> solution I am there for the replaces.
> (I have already done that). Be patient with me: this is not just a normal 
> job; instead, this is a fight between me and the technological limits. Lol.
> Vivi felice
> Mimmo
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
> Matthew Daillie
> Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
> A: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>
> I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
> CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
> that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions 
> will be much better.
>
> I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
> euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
> recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.
>
> Best,
> Matthew
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at 
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
>

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche]

Thanks Dan.
'The Lute in its historical reality' will be soon update; in fact, there are 
some new things:

1) a few time ago I was able to do a few  experimental lute 1st string starting 
from a lamb- whole gut (see what wrotten Attyanasius Kirker, Rome 1650) . The 
sampleswere even on the whole  length (not conical or tapered, I mean: see 
Capirola) ; the breacking point was around 36 Kg/mm2; the gauges, -after a 
slight hand-polishing was between-  .39- .42 mm. The sound? Marvelous (isn't 
interesting?).

2) Vihuela unissons/octaves: I have to re-write some points because they were 
not well explained. Yes, I still think that the Vihuela 5th, 6th bases were 
with octaves, not in usissons.

3) 17 th c. lute basses (loaded): I have a few more historical informations to 
add to the section.

4) This is the most important update: at today, there are much more historical 
evidences concerning the use of wound strings on German d -minor lutes of 11 & 
13 courses. The first is of 1716 (Thanks to Andreas Schleger researching). 
There are others: one of 1730's; one of 1740's; two of 1760's; one of 1790's.  
Unfortunately is not weritten if the wound strings were done on gut or silk 
cores. 

Take care
Mimmo


-Messaggio originale-
Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
Dan Winheld
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 17:54
A: Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <mperu...@aquilacorde.com>; Lute List 
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

Oh yes; here it is: "The lute in its historical reality" by Mimmo Peruffo

http://ricerche.aquilacorde.com/wp-content/uploads/liuto-en.pdf

Should be "required reading" by all lute students, players, & teachers. 
No matter how you end up stringing your instruments. Over 50 years of luting I 
have done my own small efforts; sacrifices, mistakes, and at this point have 
made the compromises (bargains with the devil too) necessary to continue as I 
head into the sunset, frets still fraying & strings still breaking.

Dan

On 8/31/2017 2:23 AM, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche wrote:
> Ciao,
> I have to thanks all the friends  that has apreciated my efforts. It is very 
> emotional, guys.
> I would like to make a few things transparent (thanks Martyn. BTW:  you are 
> right about Ephraim Segerman): since now, the whole cost of all the tests, 
> concerning the sole copper powder, the most expensive, was around 8,000 euros 
> (I not consider here the worker's costs, elastomer cost  elettricity etc 
> etc). Despite that  it was my choice so I take the responsability on my back 
> and so I do not complain.
> Lukly for me, to make or preserve money is not the mean goal of my life 
> (instead, I would like to thanks the Ukulele that actually give out the 
> economical support for all these tests).
>
> Yes, I am working hard on this project:  it is one of my dream, maybe the 
> bigger.  The sound of these CD's is exactly what I heard in my  head for 
> years and years since 1990's. The CD's maifest itsehlf my own idea how a bass 
> lute string should be and maybe it was even in the past. There are a few old 
> sources that decribes the sound of the lute basses.
> Yes: I have a sort addiction/passion on that. Lol.
>
> Last point: I am totally in feel  and I totally agree on what Matthew and 
> others thinks: In the same position I probably will be even worse. No one is 
> happy to lost money and be even unsatisfact. A customer that have payed a 
> product deserves a good product. Sentence.
> This is why I am there to do my service:  when I will have found the final 
> solution I am there for the replaces.
> (I have already done that). Be patient with me: this is not just a normal 
> job; instead, this is a fight between me and the technological limits. Lol.
> Vivi felice
> Mimmo
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
> Matthew Daillie
> Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
> A: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>
> I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
> CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
> that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions 
> will be much better.
>
> I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
> euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
> recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.
>
> Best,
> Matthew
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at 
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>
>

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Sean Smith]

I recently saw a hurdy gurdy (19th century?) in an antique shop with some drone 
gut strings that looked (to my eye) about 1.5 - 1.75 mm in diameter. They were 
pretty old. I’ll bet it’s still there with that $3k price tag if anyone wants 
it. A nice old theorbo’d Vandervogl, too, that they had labeled as 18th century 
(early 20th cent. wound strings).

Sean



On Aug 31, 2017, at 9:41 AM, fournierbru <fournier...@gmail.com> wrote:

>   I still, to this day, dont understand why we have no surviving examples
>   of lute bass strings on all those lutes in museums..surely not every
>   lute was transformed or adapted for post renaissance and baroque
>   playing..
> 
>   Envoyé de mon appareil Samsung de Bell via le réseau le plus vaste au
>   pays.
> 
>    Message d'origine 
>   De : Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net>
>   Date : 17-08-31 12:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
>   À : Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   Objet : [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
> 
>   And not to be forgotten, the great work of Dan Larson of "Gamut"
>   Strings- using real gut subjected to great research & creativity to
>   bring us lute strings- esp. those troublesome basses- that come closer
>   to a "real" thing!
>   Dan
>   To get on or off this list see list information at
>   http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[fournierbru]

   I still, to this day, dont understand why we have no surviving examples
   of lute bass strings on all those lutes in museums..surely not every
   lute was transformed or adapted for post renaissance and baroque
   playing..

   Envoyé de mon appareil Samsung de Bell via le réseau le plus vaste au
   pays.

    Message d'origine 
   De : Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net>
   Date : 17-08-31 12:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
   À : Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Objet : [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

   And not to be forgotten, the great work of Dan Larson of "Gamut"
   Strings- using real gut subjected to great research & creativity to
   bring us lute strings- esp. those troublesome basses- that come closer
   to a "real" thing!
   Dan
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Dan Winheld]

And not to be forgotten, the great work of Dan Larson of "Gamut" 
Strings- using real gut subjected to great research & creativity to 
bring us lute strings- esp. those troublesome basses- that come closer 
to a "real" thing!

Dan



To get on or off this list see list information at
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Dan Winheld]

Oh yes; here it is: "The lute in its historical reality" by Mimmo Peruffo

http://ricerche.aquilacorde.com/wp-content/uploads/liuto-en.pdf

Should be "required reading" by all lute students, players, & teachers. 
No matter how you end up stringing your instruments. Over 50 years of 
luting I have done my own small efforts; sacrifices, mistakes, and at 
this point have made the compromises (bargains with the devil too) 
necessary to continue as I head into the sunset, frets still fraying & 
strings still breaking.


Dan

On 8/31/2017 2:23 AM, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche wrote:

Ciao,
I have to thanks all the friends  that has apreciated my efforts. It is very 
emotional, guys.
I would like to make a few things transparent (thanks Martyn. BTW:  you are 
right about Ephraim Segerman): since now, the whole cost of all the tests, 
concerning the sole copper powder, the most expensive, was around 8,000 euros 
(I not consider here the worker's costs, elastomer cost  elettricity etc etc). 
Despite that  it was my choice so I take the responsability on my back and so I 
do not complain.
Lukly for me, to make or preserve money is not the mean goal of my life 
(instead, I would like to thanks the Ukulele that actually give out the 
economical support for all these tests).

Yes, I am working hard on this project:  it is one of my dream, maybe the 
bigger.  The sound of these CD's is exactly what I heard in my  head for years 
and years since 1990's. The CD's maifest itsehlf my own idea how a bass lute 
string should be and maybe it was even in the past. There are a few old sources 
that decribes the sound of the lute basses.
Yes: I have a sort addiction/passion on that. Lol.

Last point: I am totally in feel  and I totally agree on what Matthew and 
others thinks: In the same position I probably will be even worse. No one is 
happy to lost money and be even unsatisfact. A customer that have payed a 
product deserves a good product. Sentence.
This is why I am there to do my service:  when I will have found the final 
solution I am there for the replaces.
(I have already done that). Be patient with me: this is not just a normal job; 
instead, this is a fight between me and the technological limits. Lol.
Vivi felice
Mimmo

-Messaggio originale-
Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
Matthew Daillie
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
A: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions will 
be much better.

I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.

Best,
Matthew



To get on or off this list see list information at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Dan Winheld]

Mimmo,
You are a Lute Saint! And not least for the strings, but ESPECIALLY your 
wonderful work, "The Lute in its Historical Reality", all about the 
evolution of the strings; including what we know, what we don't know, 
and why we even know (and not know!). In a way, perhaps it's the strings 
that are of 1st importance, all a lute (or any instrument) is; is an 
amplifier for the sound, and a framework for the player & his hands.   ;-)


Thanks for all your great work! (And considerable investment) -but 
please don't ever stop...


Dan

On 8/31/2017 2:23 AM, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche wrote:

Ciao,
I have to thanks all the friends  that has apreciated my efforts. It is very 
emotional, guys.
I would like to make a few things transparent (thanks Martyn. BTW:  you are 
right about Ephraim Segerman): since now, the whole cost of all the tests, 
concerning the sole copper powder, the most expensive, was around 8,000 euros 
(I not consider here the worker's costs, elastomer cost  elettricity etc etc). 
Despite that  it was my choice so I take the responsability on my back and so I 
do not complain.
Lukly for me, to make or preserve money is not the mean goal of my life 
(instead, I would like to thanks the Ukulele that actually give out the 
economical support for all these tests).

Yes, I am working hard on this project:  it is one of my dream, maybe the 
bigger.  The sound of these CD's is exactly what I heard in my  head for years 
and years since 1990's. The CD's maifest itsehlf my own idea how a bass lute 
string should be and maybe it was even in the past. There are a few old sources 
that decribes the sound of the lute basses.
Yes: I have a sort addiction/passion on that. Lol.

Last point: I am totally in feel  and I totally agree on what Matthew and 
others thinks: In the same position I probably will be even worse. No one is 
happy to lost money and be even unsatisfact. A customer that have payed a 
product deserves a good product. Sentence.
This is why I am there to do my service:  when I will have found the final 
solution I am there for the replaces.
(I have already done that). Be patient with me: this is not just a normal job; 
instead, this is a fight between me and the technological limits. Lol.
Vivi felice
Mimmo

-Messaggio originale-
Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
Matthew Daillie
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
A: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions will 
be much better.

I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.

Best,
Matthew



To get on or off this list see list information at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche]

Ciao,
I have to thanks all the friends  that has apreciated my efforts. It is very 
emotional, guys.
I would like to make a few things transparent (thanks Martyn. BTW:  you are 
right about Ephraim Segerman): since now, the whole cost of all the tests, 
concerning the sole copper powder, the most expensive, was around 8,000 euros 
(I not consider here the worker's costs, elastomer cost  elettricity etc etc). 
Despite that  it was my choice so I take the responsability on my back and so I 
do not complain. 
Lukly for me, to make or preserve money is not the mean goal of my life 
(instead, I would like to thanks the Ukulele that actually give out the 
economical support for all these tests).  

Yes, I am working hard on this project:  it is one of my dream, maybe the 
bigger.  The sound of these CD's is exactly what I heard in my  head for years 
and years since 1990's. The CD's maifest itsehlf my own idea how a bass lute 
string should be and maybe it was even in the past. There are a few old sources 
that decribes the sound of the lute basses.  
Yes: I have a sort addiction/passion on that. Lol. 

Last point: I am totally in feel  and I totally agree on what Matthew and 
others thinks: In the same position I probably will be even worse. No one is 
happy to lost money and be even unsatisfact. A customer that have payed a 
product deserves a good product. Sentence.
This is why I am there to do my service:  when I will have found the final 
solution I am there for the replaces.
(I have already done that). Be patient with me: this is not just a normal job; 
instead, this is a fight between me and the technological limits. Lol.
Vivi felice
Mimmo

-Messaggio originale-
Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
Matthew Daillie
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
A: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions will 
be much better.

I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.

Best,
Matthew



To get on or off this list see list information at 
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche]

Ciao,
I have to thanks all the friends  that has apreciated my efforts. It is very 
emotional, guys.
I would like to make a few things transparent (thanks Martyn. BTW:  you are 
right about Ephraim Segerman): since now, the whole cost of all the tests, 
concerning the sole copper powder, the most expensive, was around 8,000 euros 
(I not consider here the worker's costs, elastomer cost  elettricity etc etc). 
Despite that  it was my choice so I take the responsability on my back and so I 
do not complain. 
Lukly for me, to make or preserve money is not the mean goal of my life 
(instead, I would like to thanks the Ukulele that actually give out the 
economical support for all these tests).  

Yes, I am working hard on this project:  it is one of my dream, maybe the 
bigger.  The sound of these CD's is exactly what I heard in my  head for years 
and years since 1990's. The CD's maifest itsehlf my own idea how a bass lute 
string should be and maybe it was even in the past. There are a few old sources 
that decribes the sound of the lute basses.  
Yes: I have a sort addiction/passion on that. Lol. 

Last point: I am totally in feel  and I totally agree on what Matthew and 
others thinks: In the same position I probably will be even worse. No one is 
happy to lost money and be even unsatisfact. A customer that have payed a 
product deserves a good product. Sentence.
This is why I am there to do my service:  when I will have found the final 
solution I am there for the replaces.
(I have already done that). Be patient with me: this is not just a normal job; 
instead, this is a fight between me and the technological limits. Lol.
Vivi felice
Mimmo



-Messaggio originale-
Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per conto di 
Matthew Daillie
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
A: Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions will 
be much better.

I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.

Best,
Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Matthew Daillie]

I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of 
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them 
that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions will 
be much better.

I think the biggest proof of my support of Mimmo's work is the hundreds of 
euros I have spent on Aquila strings in the last few years and my frequent 
recommendations to other players who were not familiar with them.

Best,
Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[David Morales]

   I completely agree with all of you empowering the work made by Mimmo.
   It is absolutely clear that he is spending lots of time and efforts on
   CD basses, you only have to take a look at his facebook timeline, but
   it is also true that for him to be able to produce these strings is
   almost an obsession, a vital goal.
   I can say that nylgut strings are top seller in Cuerdas Pulsadas, from
   amateur to professional lutenists use these strings all around the
   world. And I am sure that CD basses are going to make a difference too,
   it's a matter of time.
   I am used to play with gimped gut and I think that CD basses are going
   to be the best replacement for them.
   Regards.

   2017-08-30 20:10 GMT+02:00 Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk>:

 Dear All,
 I heartily endorse all praise for Mimmo, who has done so much to
 help us with stringing our lutes in a way which is closer to
 historical.   I know he is fundamentally someone who is addicted to
 the lute and I'm sure he would like to dedicate his efforts to
 serving us lutenists.   Unfortunately he has to make a living, and
 providing a few lute players with historically-appropriate strings
 can only be a small part of his activity.   I hope that the current
 difficulties can be overcome and we can have a reliable supply of
 usable strings.
 So well done Mimmo, and keep up the good work!
 Martin
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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Martin Shepherd]

Dear All,

I heartily endorse all praise for Mimmo, who has done so much to help us 
with stringing our lutes in a way which is closer to historical.  I know 
he is fundamentally someone who is addicted to the lute and I'm sure he 
would like to dedicate his efforts to serving us lutenists.  
Unfortunately he has to make a living, and providing a few lute players 
with historically-appropriate strings can only be a small part of his 
activity.  I hope that the current difficulties can be overcome and we 
can have a reliable supply of usable strings.


So well done Mimmo, and keep up the good work!

Martin

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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   If I can put in my 2 cents worth..
   I agree with Francesco, we are in witnessing a complete transformation
   of the lute.   Whereas our concern back in the 80,s was to get away
   from non-historical reproductions of the 60's and 70's. Luthiers took
   time to study lutes in museums, x-ray , Mimmo and other string
   manufacturers , as well as Chales Besnainou, took time and effort to
   try and understand and reproduce strings that had the properties of
   historical gut. there are many unknowns still. I thik Mimmo's approach
   with CD loaded strings, is to be praised. Let us remember that we still
   know very little about the bass gut strings, and if we did, it would
   probably cost an arm and a leg to acquire them.. not for for everyone's
   wallet...
   Foldable theorbos, single strung, short theorbos, wound strings, carbon
   fishing line, are practical, but certainly getting away from what was
   intended in the revival of the lute. When I was playing guitar, and
   discovered lute music, I had only one thing in mind, play the music on
   the instrument it was meant for as close as possible as to what
   would have been back in the 16th and 17th centuries.
   We can assume perhaps, that if nylon, carbon and the likes had existed
   back then, they might have used them..or perhaps not.. perhaps also
   single strung foldable theorbos.. or perhaps not.. in the end its all a
   matter of taste, but then let's not pretend we are playing historically
   accurate instruments and reproducing a sound that would have been heard
   in the Renaissance and Baroque.   Even the rectified gut strings I use
   on my ''MEDIEVAL'' lute are a far cry from what would have been used.
   I like Mimmo's strings because it brings a good sound compromise for
   the bass string problem, if my finances permitted, and if we had proper
   information on gut bass strings back then, I would probably use them..
   in the meantime Mimmo has found a solution that suits my ear...and my
   wallet.
   Bruno
   Montreal
   (been playing since 1978)...

   2017-08-30 10:57 GMT-04:00 Jean-Marie Poirier
   <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>:

 Concordo con Francesco ! Excellent and rather worrying assessment...
 !
 Best,
 Jean-Marie
 --

   >Thank you for that reality check, Francesco.   Your points are
   well
   >taken.   It is far too easy to allow our collective passion for
   the
   >historical lute to devolve into chit-chat over consumer goods -
   even to
   >the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods.
   >
   >Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and
   >technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation
   software)
   >are relevant, useful and difficult to avoid. And while it is true
   that
   >the lute evolved over time to adapt to ever changing musical
   tastes and
   >new technologies, I think it's important to remember that the lute
   and
   >everything it represents should maintain it's place as a symbol of
   the
   >historical aesthetic that goes hand in hand with the music
   originally
   >composed for the instrument.   In my opinion, that is the most
   important
   >thing.
   >
   >RA
   >  
   __
   >
   >From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   on behalf
   >of Francesco Tribioli <[4]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>
   >Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:32 AM
   >To: 'lutelist Net'
   >Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   >
   >I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments,
   >built as
   >the original ones were built, with historically informed
   technique.
   >Single
   >strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with
   wound
   >strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned
   to
   >440
   >even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself,
   synthetic
   >strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers,
   >mechanical
   >pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-(
   >Francesco
   >> -Messaggio originale-
   >> Da: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[1]mailto:[6]lute-arc@cs.
   dartmouth.edu]
   >Per
   >> conto di Andreas Nachtsheim

 >> Inviato: mercoledà ¬ 30 agosto 2017 07:22

   >> A: Edward Martin <[7]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
   >> Cc: Tristan von Neumann <[8]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George
   Arndt
   >> <[9]george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net
   <[10]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   >> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   >>
   

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Mathias Rösel]

Yes, hurray and three cheers to Mimmo! Love his loaded gut strings and his 
loaded nylgut strings.

Mathias




-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag 
von Jean-Marie Poirier
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2017 18:00
An: Martyn Hodgson; 'Lute List'
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

A hearty hurrah for Mimmo !

Jean-Marie


--
 
>In all this discussion might we spare a thought for Mimmo Peruffo?
>   Mimmo has been alone in developing synthetic 'gut' strings which have
>   led to many benefits for plucked period instrument players.  I don't
>   think he's really making loads of money from all this hard work and,
>   from what I believe, has invested considerable sums into the necessary
>   machinery etc.
>   So, yes, maybe nothing is quite perfect yet but can we please have a
>   gentle round of applause for the sole pioneer?
>   regards to all
>   Martyn
>   PS I know Eph Segerman was the very first on this scene with his
>   experimental 'gutlon' in the 1970/80s. M
>   - Forwarded Message -
>   From: Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>   To: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; Francesco Tribioli
>   <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>; 'Lute List' <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017, 16:03
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   Concordo con Francesco ! Excellent and rather worrying assessment... !
>   Best,
>   Jean-Marie
>   --
>   >  Thank you for that reality check, Francesco.  Your points are well
>   >  taken.  It is far too easy to allow our collective passion for the
>   >  historical lute to devolve into chit-chat over consumer goods - even
>   to
>   >  the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods.
>   >
>   >  Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and
>   >  technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation
>   software)
>   >  are relevant, useful and difficult to avoid. And while it is true
>   that
>   >  the lute evolved over time to adapt to ever changing musical tastes
>   and
>   >  new technologies, I think it's important to remember that the lute
>   and
>   >  everything it represents should maintain it's place as a symbol of
>   the
>   >  historical aesthetic that goes hand in hand with the music
>   originally
>   >  composed for the instrument.  In my opinion, that is the most
>   important
>   >  thing.
>   >
>   >  RA
>   >__
>   >
>   >  From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>   behalf
>   >  of Francesco Tribioli <[3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>
>   >  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:32 AM
>   >  To: 'lutelist Net'
>   >  Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   >
>   >  I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments,
>   >  built as
>   >  the original ones were built, with historically informed technique.
>   >  Single
>   >  strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with
>   wound
>   >  strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned
>   to
>   >  440
>   >  even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself,
>   synthetic
>   >  strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers,
>   >  mechanical
>   >  pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-(
>   >  Francesco
>   >  > -Messaggio originale-
>   >  > Da: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   [[1]mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
>   >  Per
>   >  > conto di Andreas Nachtsheim
>   >  > Inviato: mercoledà ¬ 30 agosto 2017 07:22
>   >  > A: Edward Martin <[6]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
>   >  > Cc: Tristan von Neumann <[7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George
>   Arndt
>   >  > <[8]george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net
>   <[9]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   >  > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   >  >
>   >  > Hello all
>   >  >
>   >  > the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and
>   they
>   >  > produce lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good
>   >  experiences
>   >  > with their 'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to
>   .91,
>   >  but
>   >  the
>   >  > thicker ones (more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their
>   >  black
>   >  label
>   >  > called 'Gra

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

A hearty hurrah for Mimmo !

Jean-Marie


--
 
>In all this discussion might we spare a thought for Mimmo Peruffo?
>   Mimmo has been alone in developing synthetic 'gut' strings which have
>   led to many benefits for plucked period instrument players.  I don't
>   think he's really making loads of money from all this hard work and,
>   from what I believe, has invested considerable sums into the necessary
>   machinery etc.
>   So, yes, maybe nothing is quite perfect yet but can we please have a
>   gentle round of applause for the sole pioneer?
>   regards to all
>   Martyn
>   PS I know Eph Segerman was the very first on this scene with his
>   experimental 'gutlon' in the 1970/80s. M
>   - Forwarded Message -
>   From: Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
>   To: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; Francesco Tribioli
>   <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>; 'Lute List' <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017, 16:03
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   Concordo con Francesco ! Excellent and rather worrying assessment... !
>   Best,
>   Jean-Marie
>   --
>   >  Thank you for that reality check, Francesco.  Your points are well
>   >  taken.  It is far too easy to allow our collective passion for the
>   >  historical lute to devolve into chit-chat over consumer goods - even
>   to
>   >  the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods.
>   >
>   >  Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and
>   >  technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation
>   software)
>   >  are relevant, useful and difficult to avoid. And while it is true
>   that
>   >  the lute evolved over time to adapt to ever changing musical tastes
>   and
>   >  new technologies, I think it's important to remember that the lute
>   and
>   >  everything it represents should maintain it's place as a symbol of
>   the
>   >  historical aesthetic that goes hand in hand with the music
>   originally
>   >  composed for the instrument.  In my opinion, that is the most
>   important
>   >  thing.
>   >
>   >  RA
>   >__
>   >
>   >  From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>   behalf
>   >  of Francesco Tribioli <[3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>
>   >  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:32 AM
>   >  To: 'lutelist Net'
>   >  Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   >
>   >  I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments,
>   >  built as
>   >  the original ones were built, with historically informed technique.
>   >  Single
>   >  strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with
>   wound
>   >  strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned
>   to
>   >  440
>   >  even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself,
>   synthetic
>   >  strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers,
>   >  mechanical
>   >  pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-(
>   >  Francesco
>   >  > -Messaggio originale-
>   >  > Da: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   [[1]mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
>   >  Per
>   >  > conto di Andreas Nachtsheim
>   >  > Inviato: mercoledà ¬ 30 agosto 2017 07:22
>   >  > A: Edward Martin <[6]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
>   >  > Cc: Tristan von Neumann <[7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George
>   Arndt
>   >  > <[8]george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net
>   <[9]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   >  > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   >  >
>   >  > Hello all
>   >  >
>   >  > the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and
>   they
>   >  > produce lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good
>   >  experiences
>   >  > with their 'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to
>   .91,
>   >  but
>   >  the
>   >  > thicker ones (more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their
>   >  black
>   >  label
>   >  > called 'Grand Max' is also very good (up to .52) Other brands
>   >  (available
>   >  in
>   >  > different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or 'Stroft'
>   >  >
>   >  > Andreas
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  >
>   >  > > Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin
>   >  <[10]edvihuel...@gmail.com&g

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Martyn Hodgson]

In all this discussion might we spare a thought for Mimmo Peruffo?
   Mimmo has been alone in developing synthetic 'gut' strings which have
   led to many benefits for plucked period instrument players.  I don't
   think he's really making loads of money from all this hard work and,
   from what I believe, has invested considerable sums into the necessary
   machinery etc.
   So, yes, maybe nothing is quite perfect yet but can we please have a
   gentle round of applause for the sole pioneer?
   regards to all
   Martyn
   PS I know Eph Segerman was the very first on this scene with his
   experimental 'gutlon' in the 1970/80s. M
   - Forwarded Message -
   From: Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>
   To: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; Francesco Tribioli
   <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>; 'Lute List' <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017, 16:03
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   Concordo con Francesco ! Excellent and rather worrying assessment... !
   Best,
   Jean-Marie
   --
   >  Thank you for that reality check, Francesco.  Your points are well
   >  taken.  It is far too easy to allow our collective passion for the
   >  historical lute to devolve into chit-chat over consumer goods - even
   to
   >  the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods.
   >
   >  Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and
   >  technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation
   software)
   >  are relevant, useful and difficult to avoid. And while it is true
   that
   >  the lute evolved over time to adapt to ever changing musical tastes
   and
   >  new technologies, I think it's important to remember that the lute
   and
   >  everything it represents should maintain it's place as a symbol of
   the
   >  historical aesthetic that goes hand in hand with the music
   originally
   >  composed for the instrument.  In my opinion, that is the most
   important
   >  thing.
   >
   >  RA
   >__
   >
   >  From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf
   >  of Francesco Tribioli <[3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>
   >  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:32 AM
   >  To: 'lutelist Net'
   >  Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   >
   >  I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments,
   >  built as
   >  the original ones were built, with historically informed technique.
   >  Single
   >  strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with
   wound
   >  strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned
   to
   >  440
   >  even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself,
   synthetic
   >  strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers,
   >  mechanical
   >  pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-(
   >  Francesco
   >  > -Messaggio originale-
   >  > Da: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [[1]mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
   >  Per
   >  > conto di Andreas Nachtsheim
   >  > Inviato: mercoledà ¬ 30 agosto 2017 07:22
   >  > A: Edward Martin <[6]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
   >  > Cc: Tristan von Neumann <[7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George
   Arndt
   >  > <[8]george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net
   <[9]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   >  > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   >  >
   >  > Hello all
   >  >
   >  > the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and
   they
   >  > produce lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good
   >  experiences
   >  > with their 'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to
   .91,
   >  but
   >  the
   >  > thicker ones (more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their
   >  black
   >  label
   >  > called 'Grand Max' is also very good (up to .52) Other brands
   >  (available
   >  in
   >  > different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or 'Stroft'
   >  >
   >  > Andreas
   >  >
   >  >
   >  >
   >  > > Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin
   >  <[10]edvihuel...@gmail.com>:
   >  > >
   >  > >  Very interesting indeed.  Among the very first users of carbon
   >  strings
   >  > >  is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think
   >  Seagar,
   >  > >  or something like that.  They are a Japanese manufacturer of
   >  fishing
   >  > >  line.  So, all who use carbon are using fishing line.
   >  > >  ed
   >  > >
   >  > >  On Tue, Aug 29, 20

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

Concordo con Francesco ! Excellent and rather worrying assessment... !
Best,
Jean-Marie




--
 
>   Thank you for that reality check, Francesco.  Your points are well
>   taken.  It is far too easy to allow our collective passion for the
>   historical lute to devolve into chit-chat over consumer goods - even to
>   the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods.
>
>   Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and
>   technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation software)
>   are relevant, useful and difficult to avoid. And while it is true that
>   the lute evolved over time to adapt to ever changing musical tastes and
>   new technologies, I think it's important to remember that the lute and
>   everything it represents should maintain it's place as a symbol of the
>   historical aesthetic that goes hand in hand with the music originally
>   composed for the instrument.  In my opinion, that is the most important
>   thing.
>
>   RA
> __
>
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
>   of Francesco Tribioli <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:32 AM
>   To: 'lutelist Net'
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>
>   I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments,
>   built as
>   the original ones were built, with historically informed technique.
>   Single
>   strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with wound
>   strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned to
>   440
>   even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself, synthetic
>   strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers,
>   mechanical
>   pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-(
>   Francesco
>   > -Messaggio originale-
>   > Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[1]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]
>   Per
>   > conto di Andreas Nachtsheim
>   > Inviato: mercoledì 30 agosto 2017 07:22
>   > A: Edward Martin <edvihuel...@gmail.com>
>   > Cc: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George Arndt
>   > <george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>   > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
>   >
>   > Hello all
>   >
>   > the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and they
>   > produce lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good
>   experiences
>   > with their 'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to .91,
>   but
>   the
>   > thicker ones (more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their
>   black
>   label
>   > called 'Grand Max' is also very good (up to .52) Other brands
>   (available
>   in
>   > different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or 'Stroft'
>   >
>   > Andreas
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > > Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin
>   <edvihuel...@gmail.com>:
>   > >
>   > >   Very interesting indeed.   Among the very first users of carbon
>   strings
>   > >   is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think
>   Seagar,
>   > >   or something like that.   They are a Japanese manufacturer of
>   fishing
>   > >   line.   So, all who use carbon are using fishing line.
>   > >   ed
>   > >
>   > >   On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Tristan von Neumann
>   > >   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Hi George!
>   > > Thanks for sharing your experience! I was exactly looking for
>   that
>   > > answer, but no one had attempted full stringing on a
>   Renaissance
>   > > lute and I forgot.
>   > > What would you use for a 62cm Renaissance Lute 7c on G=415 or
>   432
>   > > Hz?
>   > > I'd be interested in a list and manufacturers, preferably those
>   > > available in Europe.
>   > > I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like
>   .33mm
>   > > from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes.
>   > > I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it...
>   > > Thanks for the hint!
>   > >
>   > >   Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt:
>   > >
>   > >   Hello fellow lute players:
>   > >   I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my
>   lutes
>   > >   for
>   > >   the past three year

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Matthew Daillie]

Thanks for the info Martin. I was particularly interested to learn that from 
0.95 upwards Savarez strings are multi-coated. I at last understand why when I 
cut a long PVDF  in two to put on the fifth course of a lute, one of the 
resulting strings was false going up the fingerboard but fine when I put it on 
the other way around (a common phenomenon with gut and wound strings but not 
monofilament).
Best,
Matthew


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 9:24, Martin Shepherd  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify:
> 
> The Japanese fishing line, Savarez KF, and Kürschner "PVF" are all the same 
> material - PVDF (not "carbon" or "carbon fibre"), with a density about 38% 
> greater than gut.  All have been available for many years.
> 
> The Savarez KF strings are monofilament up to .91mm then "multi-coated" from 
> .95 up.  I've no idea how they make these thicker strings, but they are more 
> flexible than a monofilament and have a nicer texture (slightly textured 
> rather than slippery).
> 
> Thick monofilaments don't work well, and even the Savarez strings are very 
> stiff.   But using the thinnest string you can get away with, and thinning it 
> a lot more where it goes through the bridge, helps a lot.  If you calculate 
> string tensions, use lower tensions than you would for a wound string.   For 
> example, I use a 1.16mm string on the 6th course of my 6c lute - probably 
> about 26N when tuned to modern pitch.  The thickest string on a 10c lute 
> (67cm) 1.50 (about 20N) and the last bass on a swan neck 13c lute (72/99cm) 
> 1.40 (about 26N at a'=392).
> 
> Happy experimenting,
> 
> Martin
> 
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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Francesco Tribioli]

I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments, built as
the original ones were built, with historically informed technique. Single
strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with wound
strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned to 440
even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself, synthetic
strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers, mechanical
pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-(

Francesco

> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Per
> conto di Andreas Nachtsheim
> Inviato: mercoledì 30 agosto 2017 07:22
> A: Edward Martin <edvihuel...@gmail.com>
> Cc: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George Arndt
> <george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
> 
> Hello all
> 
> the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and they
> produce lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good
experiences
> with their 'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to .91, but
the
> thicker ones (more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their black
label
> called 'Grand Max' is also very good (up to .52) Other brands (available
in
> different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or 'Stroft'
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
> 
> > Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin <edvihuel...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >   Very interesting indeed.   Among the very first users of carbon
strings
> >   is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think Seagar,
> >   or something like that.   They are a Japanese manufacturer of fishing
> >   line.   So, all who use carbon are using fishing line.
> >   ed
> >
> >   On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Tristan von Neumann
> >   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi George!
> > Thanks for sharing your experience! I was exactly looking for that
> > answer, but no one had attempted full stringing on a Renaissance
> > lute and I forgot.
> > What would you use for a 62cm Renaissance Lute 7c on G=415 or 432
> > Hz?
> > I'd be interested in a list and manufacturers, preferably those
> > available in Europe.
> > I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like .33mm
> > from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes.
> > I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it...
> > Thanks for the hint!
> >
> >   Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt:
> >
> >   Hello fellow lute players:
> >   I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my lutes
> >   for
> >   the past three years with satisfactory results. The only exception
> >   being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons on my
> >   Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the diameter and
> >   length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string was
> >   easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg
> >   friction
> >   was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that
> >   string.
> >   If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter when
> >   I replace it.   One nice advantage is mono-filament strings may be
> >   pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After
three
> >   years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a lifetime
> >   supply of strings for my seven lutes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Martin Shepherd]

Just to clarify:

The Japanese fishing line, Savarez KF, and Kürschner "PVF" are all the 
same material - PVDF (not "carbon" or "carbon fibre"), with a density 
about 38% greater than gut.  All have been available for many years.


The Savarez KF strings are monofilament up to .91mm then "multi-coated" 
from .95 up.  I've no idea how they make these thicker strings, but they 
are more flexible than a monofilament and have a nicer texture (slightly 
textured rather than slippery).


Thick monofilaments don't work well, and even the Savarez strings are 
very stiff.   But using the thinnest string you can get away with, and 
thinning it a lot more where it goes through the bridge, helps a lot.  
If you calculate string tensions, use lower tensions than you would for 
a wound string.   For example, I use a 1.16mm string on the 6th course 
of my 6c lute - probably about 26N when tuned to modern pitch.  The 
thickest string on a 10c lute (67cm) 1.50 (about 20N) and the last bass 
on a swan neck 13c lute (72/99cm) 1.40 (about 26N at a'=392).


Happy experimenting,

Martin


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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Andreas Nachtsheim]

Hello all

the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and they produce 
lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good experiences with their 
'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to .91, but the thicker ones 
(more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their black label called 'Grand 
Max' is also very good (up to .52)
Other brands (available in different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or 
'Stroft'

Andreas



> Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin :
> 
>   Very interesting indeed.   Among the very first users of carbon strings
>   is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think Seagar,
>   or something like that.   They are a Japanese manufacturer of fishing
>   line.   So, all who use carbon are using fishing line.
>   ed
> 
>   On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Tristan von Neumann
>   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi George!
> Thanks for sharing your experience! I was exactly looking for that
> answer, but no one had attempted full stringing on a Renaissance
> lute and I forgot.
> What would you use for a 62cm Renaissance Lute 7c on G=415 or 432
> Hz?
> I'd be interested in a list and manufacturers, preferably those
> available in Europe.
> I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like .33mm
> from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes.
> I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it...
> Thanks for the hint!
> 
>   Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt:
> 
>   Hello fellow lute players:
>   I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my lutes
>   for
>   the past three years with satisfactory results. The only exception
>   being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons on my
>   Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the diameter and
>   length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string was
>   easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg
>   friction
>   was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that
>   string.
>   If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter when
>   I replace it.   One nice advantage is mono-filament strings may be
>   pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After three
>   years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a lifetime
>   supply of strings for my seven lutes.




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[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Edward Martin]

   Very interesting indeed.   Among the very first users of carbon strings
   is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think Seagar,
   or something like that.   They are a Japanese manufacturer of fishing
   line.   So, all who use carbon are using fishing line.
   ed

   On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Hi George!
 Thanks for sharing your experience! I was exactly looking for that
 answer, but no one had attempted full stringing on a Renaissance
 lute and I forgot.
 What would you use for a 62cm Renaissance Lute 7c on G=415 or 432
 Hz?
 I'd be interested in a list and manufacturers, preferably those
 available in Europe.
 I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like .33mm
 from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes.
 I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it...
 Thanks for the hint!

   Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt:

   Hello fellow lute players:
   I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my lutes
   for
   the past three years with satisfactory results. The only exception
   being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons on my
   Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the diameter and
   length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string was
   easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg
   friction
   was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that
   string.
   If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter when
   I replace it.   One nice advantage is mono-filament strings may be
   pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After three
   years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a lifetime
   supply of strings for my seven lutes.
   Thanks for the opportunity to add my comments.
   George
 
   __
   From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   on behalf
   of Matthew Daillie <[4]dail...@club-internet.fr>
   Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:01 AM
   To: Dan Winheld
   Cc: lutelist Net
       Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   Unfortunately there have been serious issues with the new loaded
   nylgut
   strings.
   Availability has been erratic ( I believe that there have only been
   two
   batches so far, the second stiffer than the first) with promises of
   delivery of certain references delayed by several months.
   Some gauges break without warning between the nut and the peg,
   perhaps
   due to the fact that the surface is slightly rough and does not
   fare
   well on the passage in the grove over the nut.
   Strings are often false, especially when being stopped going up the
   fingerboard but also when used as diapasons; their inherent
   stretchiness gives them great amplitude so when they are plucked
   they
   can not only hit against the fingerboard but also against the
   string of
   a neighbouring course!
   I am sorry to be so negative regarding these strings. I had very
   high
   hopes and if Mimmo manages to get the formula right and overcome
   production issues, then they will probably become a lot of players'
   number one choice but we are certainly not there yet. Loaded nylgut
   strings are not inexpensive and it is frustrating to spend
   considerable
   sums of money before being forced to conclude that they are still
   at
   the experimental stage and that we are acting as guinea pigs.
   I use PVF strings on the 5th courses of renaissance lutes and as
   diapasons on theorbos. They work well and are incredibly long
   lasting.
   I have seen and heard them used very successfully on 6th, 7th and
   8th
   courses of renaissance lutes. Tying them around the bridge is
   tricky
   (some luthiers such as Martin Shepherd suggest thinning the ends).
   I
   have no experience of using them on baroque lutes but I would have
   thought that the diameters for the lower courses would have been
   prohibitive.
   Best,
   Matthew
   > On Aug 29, 2017, at 1:26, Dan Winheld <[5]dwinh...@lmi.net>
   wrote:
   >
   > A question for those of you who have tried, used, and been
   satisfied
   with the Savarez KF (originally for harp) bass strings- the gut
   like
   one starting at .90 or .95 mm thickness (losing memory here) and
   have
   also tried Mimmo Peruffo's new basses- How do they compare? I am
   mostly
   quite happy with the Savarez KF- VERY satisfied with the long
   single
   basses on my archlute-   but on my 10 course & 13 course bass rider
   style Baroque lute the very l

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Tristan von Neumann]

Hi George!

Thanks for sharing your experience! I was exactly looking for that 
answer, but no one had attempted full stringing on a Renaissance lute 
and I forgot.

What would you use for a 62cm Renaissance Lute 7c on G=415 or 432 Hz?
I'd be interested in a list and manufacturers, preferably those 
available in Europe.


I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like .33mm 
from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes.

I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it...

Thanks for the hint!


Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt:

Hello fellow lute players:

I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my lutes for
the past three years with satisfactory results. The only exception
being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons on my
Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the diameter and
length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string was
easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg friction
was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that string.
If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter when
I replace it.  One nice advantage is mono-filament strings may be
pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After three
years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a lifetime
supply of strings for my seven lutes.

Thanks for the opportunity to add my comments.

George
  __

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
of Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:01 AM
To: Dan Winheld
Cc: lutelist Net
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

Unfortunately there have been serious issues with the new loaded nylgut
strings.
Availability has been erratic ( I believe that there have only been two
batches so far, the second stiffer than the first) with promises of
delivery of certain references delayed by several months.
Some gauges break without warning between the nut and the peg, perhaps
due to the fact that the surface is slightly rough and does not fare
well on the passage in the grove over the nut.
Strings are often false, especially when being stopped going up the
fingerboard but also when used as diapasons; their inherent
stretchiness gives them great amplitude so when they are plucked they
can not only hit against the fingerboard but also against the string of
a neighbouring course!
I am sorry to be so negative regarding these strings. I had very high
hopes and if Mimmo manages to get the formula right and overcome
production issues, then they will probably become a lot of players'
number one choice but we are certainly not there yet. Loaded nylgut
strings are not inexpensive and it is frustrating to spend considerable
sums of money before being forced to conclude that they are still at
the experimental stage and that we are acting as guinea pigs.
I use PVF strings on the 5th courses of renaissance lutes and as
diapasons on theorbos. They work well and are incredibly long lasting.
I have seen and heard them used very successfully on 6th, 7th and 8th
courses of renaissance lutes. Tying them around the bridge is tricky
(some luthiers such as Martin Shepherd suggest thinning the ends). I
have no experience of using them on baroque lutes but I would have
thought that the diameters for the lower courses would have been
prohibitive.
Best,
Matthew
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 1:26, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
>
> A question for those of you who have tried, used, and been satisfied
with the Savarez KF (originally for harp) bass strings- the gut like
one starting at .90 or .95 mm thickness (losing memory here) and have
also tried Mimmo Peruffo's new basses- How do they compare? I am mostly
quite happy with the Savarez KF- VERY satisfied with the long single
basses on my archlute-  but on my 10 course & 13 course bass rider
style Baroque lute the very lowest courses could use a little help; but
if I change them I would want to go all the way to the 6th course.
>
> One draw back to the KF is the stiffness, they can be very annoying
to wrestle through and around the bridge holes, worse as they get
thicker. I have heard that Peruffo's strings were actually too flexible
at first and that he had to "dial them back" a bit so that they would
not fret flat going up the fingerboard. Very counter intuitive to me
after years of thick basses fretting sharp!
>
> Thanks for any information.Dan
>
>
>
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> [1]htt

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Dieter Schmidt]

   I normally use KF strings on the swan neck lute and copper wound gut
   strings (Kürschner) on the short lutes.
   The other day I had to replace one of the copper gut strings using a
   KF. This allowed me to compare the sustain (covering all other strings)
   - there was no difference. Comparing the sound I note the copper gut
   strings sound much more "black" compared to the KF. Having no
   comparation with "real heavy gut strings" to me the copper gut basses
   sound better.

   Best
   Dieter

   Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. August 2017 um 14:25 Uhr
   Von: "George Arndt" <george.ar...@hotmail.com>
   An: "Matthew Daillie" <dail...@club-internet.fr>, "Dan Winheld"
   <dwinh...@lmi.net>
   Cc: "lutelist Net" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   Hello fellow lute players:
   I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my lutes for
   the past three years with satisfactory results. The only exception
   being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons on my
   Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the diameter and
   length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string was
   easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg friction
   was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that string.
   If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter when
   I replace it. One nice advantage is mono-filament strings may be
   pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After three
   years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a lifetime
   supply of strings for my seven lutes.
   Thanks for the opportunity to add my comments.
   George
   __
   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf
   of Matthew Daillie <dail...@club-internet.fr>
   Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:01 AM
   To: Dan Winheld
   Cc: lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
   Unfortunately there have been serious issues with the new loaded nylgut
   strings.
   Availability has been erratic ( I believe that there have only been two
   batches so far, the second stiffer than the first) with promises of
   delivery of certain references delayed by several months.
   Some gauges break without warning between the nut and the peg, perhaps
   due to the fact that the surface is slightly rough and does not fare
   well on the passage in the grove over the nut.
   Strings are often false, especially when being stopped going up the
   fingerboard but also when used as diapasons; their inherent
   stretchiness gives them great amplitude so when they are plucked they
   can not only hit against the fingerboard but also against the string of
   a neighbouring course!
   I am sorry to be so negative regarding these strings. I had very high
   hopes and if Mimmo manages to get the formula right and overcome
   production issues, then they will probably become a lot of players'
   number one choice but we are certainly not there yet. Loaded nylgut
   strings are not inexpensive and it is frustrating to spend considerable
   sums of money before being forced to conclude that they are still at
   the experimental stage and that we are acting as guinea pigs.
   I use PVF strings on the 5th courses of renaissance lutes and as
   diapasons on theorbos. They work well and are incredibly long lasting.
   I have seen and heard them used very successfully on 6th, 7th and 8th
   courses of renaissance lutes. Tying them around the bridge is tricky
   (some luthiers such as Martin Shepherd suggest thinning the ends). I
   have no experience of using them on baroque lutes but I would have
   thought that the diameters for the lower courses would have been
   prohibitive.
   Best,
   Matthew
   > On Aug 29, 2017, at 1:26, Dan Winheld <dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
   >
   > A question for those of you who have tried, used, and been satisfied
   with the Savarez KF (originally for harp) bass strings- the gut like
   one starting at .90 or .95 mm thickness (losing memory here) and have
   also tried Mimmo Peruffo's new basses- How do they compare? I am mostly
   quite happy with the Savarez KF- VERY satisfied with the long single
   basses on my archlute- but on my 10 course & 13 course bass rider
   style Baroque lute the very lowest courses could use a little help; but
   if I change them I would want to go all the way to the 6th course.
   >
   > One draw back to the KF is the stiffness, they can be very annoying
   to wrestle through and around the bridge holes, worse as they get
   thicker. I have heard that Peruffo's strings were actually too flexible
   at first and that he had to "dial them back" a bit so that they would
   not fret flat going up the fingerboard. Very counter 

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Dan Winheld]

   George-
   Very interesting what different people have come up with. So you are
   able to get down pretty "deep" in the bass with fishing line? Quite
   intriguing! Can you tell us what material, diameter and (if you've
   figured it out) the tension of these strings? Only thing about your set
   up that doesn't compute for me is wound strings on extended peg box
   diapasons- I would think the two would be mutually exclusive-.
Back in the late 1970's when I got my first "real" lute I went nuts
   trying to get surgical gut and VERY stiff harp gut (not even simple
   high twist in that far-off "Mediaeval" era!) and had bad to disastrous
   results- esp. anything lower than the 4th course. Kept trying anyway.
   Even gave a few deplorable performances.
   Thanks for the input!
   Dan
   On 8/29/2017 5:25 AM, George Arndt wrote:

   Hello fellow lute players:

   I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my lutes for
   the past three years with satisfactory results. The only exception
   being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons on my
   Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the diameter and
   length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string was
   easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg friction
   was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that string.
   If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter when
   I replace it.  One nice advantage is mono-filament strings may be
   pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After three
   years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a lifetime
   supply of strings for my seven lutes.

   Thanks for the opportunity to add my comments.

   George
 __

   From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [2]<lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf of Matthew Daillie [3]<dail...@club-internet.fr>
   Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:01 AM
   To: Dan Winheld
   Cc: lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

   Unfortunately there have been serious issues with the new loaded nylgut
   strings.
   Availability has been erratic ( I believe that there have only been two
   batches so far, the second stiffer than the first) with promises of
   delivery of certain references delayed by several months.
   Some gauges break without warning between the nut and the peg, perhaps
   due to the fact that the surface is slightly rough and does not fare
   well on the passage in the grove over the nut.
   Strings are often false, especially when being stopped going up the
   fingerboard but also when used as diapasons; their inherent
   stretchiness gives them great amplitude so when they are plucked they
   can not only hit against the fingerboard but also against the string of
   a neighbouring course!
   I am sorry to be so negative regarding these strings. I had very high
   hopes and if Mimmo manages to get the formula right and overcome
   production issues, then they will probably become a lot of players'
   number one choice but we are certainly not there yet. Loaded nylgut
   strings are not inexpensive and it is frustrating to spend considerable
   sums of money before being forced to conclude that they are still at
   the experimental stage and that we are acting as guinea pigs.
   I use PVF strings on the 5th courses of renaissance lutes and as
   diapasons on theorbos. They work well and are incredibly long lasting.
   I have seen and heard them used very successfully on 6th, 7th and 8th
   courses of renaissance lutes. Tying them around the bridge is tricky
   (some luthiers such as Martin Shepherd suggest thinning the ends). I
   have no experience of using them on baroque lutes but I would have
   thought that the diameters for the lower courses would have been
   prohibitive.
   Best,
   Matthew
   > On Aug 29, 2017, at 1:26, Dan Winheld [4]<dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:
   >
   > A question for those of you who have tried, used, and been satisfied
   with the Savarez KF (originally for harp) bass strings- the gut like
   one starting at .90 or .95 mm thickness (losing memory here) and have
   also tried Mimmo Peruffo's new basses- How do they compare? I am mostly
   quite happy with the Savarez KF- VERY satisfied with the long single
   basses on my archlute-  but on my 10 course & 13 course bass rider
   style Baroque lute the very lowest courses could use a little help; but
   if I change them I would want to go all the way to the 6th course.
   >
   > One draw back to the KF is the stiffness, they can be very annoying
   to wrestle through and around the bridge holes, worse as they get
   thicker. I have heard that Peruffo's strings were actually too flexible
   at first and that he had to "dial them back" a bit so that they would
   not fret flat going up the fingerboar

[LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings

[Matthew Daillie]

Unfortunately there have been serious issues with the new loaded nylgut strings.

Availability has been erratic ( I believe that there have only been two batches 
so far, the second stiffer than the first) with promises of delivery of certain 
references delayed by several months.

Some gauges break without warning between the nut and the peg, perhaps due to 
the fact that the surface is slightly rough and does not fare well on the 
passage in the grove over the nut.

Strings are often false, especially when being stopped going up the fingerboard 
but also when used as diapasons; their inherent stretchiness gives them great 
amplitude so when they are plucked they can not only hit against the 
fingerboard but also against the string of a neighbouring course!

I am sorry to be so negative regarding these strings. I had very high hopes and 
if Mimmo manages to get the formula right and overcome production issues, then 
they will probably become a lot of players' number one choice but we are 
certainly not there yet. Loaded nylgut strings are not inexpensive and it is 
frustrating to spend considerable sums of money before being forced to conclude 
that they are still at the experimental stage and that we are acting as guinea 
pigs.

I use PVF strings on the 5th courses of renaissance lutes and as diapasons on 
theorbos. They work well and are incredibly long lasting. I have seen and heard 
them used very successfully on 6th, 7th and 8th courses of renaissance lutes. 
Tying them around the bridge is tricky (some luthiers such as Martin Shepherd 
suggest thinning the ends). I have no experience of using them on baroque lutes 
but I would have thought that the diameters for the lower courses would have 
been prohibitive.

Best,

Matthew



> On Aug 29, 2017, at 1:26, Dan Winheld  wrote:
> 
> A question for those of you who have tried, used, and been satisfied with the 
> Savarez KF (originally for harp) bass strings- the gut like one starting at 
> .90 or .95 mm thickness (losing memory here) and have also tried Mimmo 
> Peruffo's new basses- How do they compare? I am mostly quite happy with the 
> Savarez KF- VERY satisfied with the long single basses on my archlute-  but 
> on my 10 course & 13 course bass rider style Baroque lute the very lowest 
> courses could use a little help; but if I change them I would want to go all 
> the way to the 6th course.
> 
> One draw back to the KF is the stiffness, they can be very annoying to 
> wrestle through and around the bridge holes, worse as they get thicker. I 
> have heard that Peruffo's strings were actually too flexible at first and 
> that he had to "dial them back" a bit so that they would not fret flat going 
> up the fingerboard. Very counter intuitive to me after years of thick basses 
> fretting sharp!
> 
> Thanks for any information.Dan
> 
> 
> 
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