A few weeks ago Bill Sampson sent me some photographs of the Lute Society
Summer School in the 70's (BTW Bill, sorry,forgot to thank you for them!).
They showed fresh faced youths (well exaggerated a bit!). We have all
matured' a bit since then!
So, for the 'Mature'I dedicate the following:
Thanks for these Tony. You've certainly made my Easter :o)
Those were exciting times in the early music world - probably a faster
rate of emergence than any time before or since (in my opinion . . .)
I remember Emma singing with Tony Rooley accompanying her at one of the
summer
I know what you mean. I remember being invited to a party at Tony Rooley's
when he founded the Consort of Musick (way back in the 70's) we had a
marvelous evening with Emma's singing and his accompaniment.
Best wishes
Tony
Thanks for these Tony. You've certainly made my Easter :o)
The Royal Holloway University of London Early Music Online site
[1]http://digirep.rhul.ac.uk/access/home.do
has a number of facsimiles available to download.
34 of them are specific for the lute (search for lute ... )
Enjoy
Matteo
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References
1.
Interesting list. First quick thought on reputation of maker as
something that makes a good lute: isn't it the other way around?
Chris.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:25 AM, William Samson
[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I haven't really got much to add to the subject line.
In medicine, we have a saying, The most important part of the stethoscope
lies between the earpieces.
It's in the fingers (or rather, the corpus striatum in the brain).
Al
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Of William Samson
Hi,
very nice list. Let me put them in a slightly different order:
1. sound (very subjective, but when you hear it, you know you found it)
2. playability (again very subjective. Most of present lutemakers
dogmata are rather funny, especially when supported by arguments like
this
There is a tool you can add on to the Firefox browser called Down them
all:
http://www.downthemall.net/
If you set it for .jpg you can get all images with minimal clicking.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
Sean
On Apr 7, 2012, at 4:55 AM, Matteo Turri wrote:
The Royal Holloway
I can tell you how you can spot a good lute (if you buy from a lute
maker) in Western Europe and USA, very simple:
BY IT'S PRICE!!!
And on the other hand I think you can't make a rule (or a set of rules)
for what makes a good lute, important is when you buy it that you
like
A lot of the items (not all of them) presented on this site can be downloaded
as pdf files.
Just scroll down to the bottom of the page and check if there is a button
marked pdf !
Best,
Jean-Marie
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== En réponse au message du 07-04-2012, 16:45:33 ==
There
I vote only for sound and playability!
Aesthetic have no sense for me. The instrument may looks like total
horror but if it can produce great sound and is comfortable to play
it's ok for me. By the way I really hate highly ornamented instruments
with that flowers, hearts etc.
Not a very easy question to answer and by the way not a very relevant question.
The very notion of good applied to a lute or anything is obviously
subjective. The few potentially objective criteria are evident : craftsmanship,
woods, string action and price. All the rest is open to debate.
I do
Eugene, you wouldn't consider the problem of sound as an aesthetic one...???
Aesthetic doesn't only mean the aspect of the instrument? It's a little bit
more complex than that, isn't it?
Best,
Jean-Marie
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== En réponse au message du 07-04-2012, 17:07:11 ==
Here is the instrument:
(I' m worning you that it's not so horror)
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich
and here is the music:
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal
You can't go wrong and especially you can't get sick... :)
Good luck!
--- On Sat, 4/7/12,
Well I prefer to differ.
Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand with
pretty look.
As former classical guitarist I can say that I knew some 3000$ guitars
with sound like 800$ yamaha. Not better.
The only differences were: french polish, intarsia and
2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1]eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Haha :) BC Rich guitars looks not badl but Carlos Santana's PRS
sounds much better :) And the sound is primary.
2012/4/7 hera caius [2]caiush2...@yahoo.com
Here is the instrument:
(I' m worning you that it's not
Na, ok, I will try to imagine Kerry King (Slayer) explaining in an
interview: ...yes I saw the BC Rich guitars...but, you know...the PRS
was sounding so much better in the store...really...and I thought it
will sound even better in our ensemble...
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Eugene Kurenko
That sounds really exciting...please let me know what was the
conclusion... [24.gif]
Caius
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
To: hera caius
So the conclusion is: great electric guitar (for my taste) have to look
like BCR Zombie and sounds like PRS SE :)
2012/4/7 hera caius [1]caiush2...@yahoo.com
Na, ok, I will try to imagine Kerry King (Slayer) explaining in
an
interview: ...yes I saw the BC Rich
No possible conclusion, I'm afraid...!
Each one makes what he deems best na d that's it : Now, the music coming out of
the box, what it says and how it says it, is what really counts, isn't it?
All the best,
Jean-Marie
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== En réponse au message du
That may be hypothetically possible, but no one would ever build a
deliberately ugly
lute, for several reasons:
1. It could never be sold, because
2. No one would want to be seen with one.
3. Acoustic and visual aesthetics tend to go hand-in-hand.
I only know one luthier who has no visual
Someday I shall build one. I want to. I desire of one which looks like
after 1000 years of battles and sings as fallen angel in catharsis. But
for myself :)
2012/4/7 Roman Turovsky [1]r.turov...@verizon.net
That may be hypothetically possible, but no one would ever build a
Personally I would not underestimate the importance of appearance (of
the lute) and reputation (of the maker) when buying an instrument. My
idea of a good lute has changed so many times within the last couple
of years: even when you think that you've found your dream instrument,
the assurance that
We have a coincidence here, so I'll expand on what Roman and Ned have
written, and combine the subjects of two recent postings here: Re: Ms
4022 and Bartolomiej Pekiel. The topics have much in common, since
Ms 4022 is the one Roman calls The Danzig Manuscript, with pieces
sometimes
I think that sums it up nicely, Eugene. The best lute is the next one,
whether self-built or bought. Self building is great, but that's a
whole other discussion . . .
Thank you, everyone, for your views, and please keep 'em coming!
Bill
From: Eugene Kurenko
Anyway with all those mice around perhaps it is safer to use wireless
technology as these rodents have been known to cause trouble when hungry.
Instead of using mice one could do with nice. The difference is small but
significant.
Ok, back to the original topic, which I believe,
was nicing a
Dear lutenists,
in one Finnish tv-channel (Teema) there were just two interesting
programs - lute included:
[1]Philippe Jaroussky was singing Caldara with Concerto Koeln and
then[2] Cecilia Bartoli sang castrati arias with Giardino Harmonico.
In Concerto Koeln there was a bald
Could anyone send me a scan of Melchior Newsidler's intabulation of
Damour me plains? The German tab facs would be ok but a french tab
would save me a bit of decoding.
Many thanks in advance,
Sean
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The lutenist of Giardino Armonico is Luca Pianca (from Italian
Switzerland). He is an amazing lutenist and more interesting he is an
declared non-historical (his archlute is constructed more like a guitar
and he use huge tensions to strings).
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Arto Wikla
I agree with this post...
-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de A.J. Padilla MD
Objet : [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
In medicine, we have a saying, The most important part of the stethoscope
lies between the earpieces.
The lutenist of Giardino Armonico is Luca Pianca (from Italian
Switzerland). He is an amazing lutenist and more interesting he is
an
declared non-historical (his archlute is constructed more like a
guitar
and he use huge tensions to strings).
--- On Sat,
I won't say he is a lutenist, he is a guitarist playing a lute shaped
guitar... (IMO) (oups, can of worms ???)
V.
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de hera caius
Envoyé : samedi 7 avril 2012 20:38
À : Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
It is not built like a guitar, being lighter than a liuto-forte.
It is a single-strung van der Geest archlute, built more robustly
so it could be heard not only in the orchestra, but by the audience as well.
RT
- Original Message -
From: Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr
To:
In my humble opinion: one chooses an instrument as one chooses a mate; but for
an instrument it is primarily playability and sound. Nothing else matters. As
in choosing a mate, others may think your choice beautiful, or ugly, easy or
difficult. As long as YOU are in love, and your needs are
I was at 2 of the Cheltenham lute schools in the 70s but cannot
remember which years I went. I've looked at the pictures on the Lute
Society (England) web site and cannot recognize myself in the pictures
- but perhaps my memory of what I looked like is not so great. I do
remember
So,
no one seems to know the Concerto Koeln theorbist? He kind of reminds
me of one German lute student friend in the beginning of 90's in a
course in Sweden. But he had hair and was young then... :)
Arto
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A more pertinent question - at least for me - is how to find the lute that
suits you, given sound and playability as high priorities? For most of us, is
there a more efficient and less expensive way than to buy and probably sell
many instruments until we find the one that fits our hands and
Thank you, Mr. Ness, for weighing in and helping (along with Roman) to clear
away some of the confusion surrounding this interesting - and apparently quite
fine - composer, Bartolomiej Pekiel.
Ned
On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:35 PM, A. J. Ness wrote:
We have a coincidence here, so I'll expand on
What are You??
Lex
Op 7 apr 2012, om 13:00 heeft hera caius het volgende geschreven:
What are you, 3 years old?
Than keep it childish
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Of Mice Milk
To:
Hello Matteo and all,
please also reffer.
http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg37557.html
*
Toshiaki Kakinami
E-mail : tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
Blog : http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com
Just to add my two cents. My lutes are a joy for the visual elegance they
have, the artistry of the makers, the beauty of their sound, and the
physical sensation of playing their strings.
I would be hard pressed to say which is more important but without all of
them I would be dissatisfied with
Sterling,
Disappointed. I was expecting a link to a youtube posting of lute
music by Alban Berg. ;)
Chris
Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.christopherwilke.com
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, sterling price spiffys84...@yahoo.com wrote:
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