Re: Greensleeves

2005-03-15 Thread Stephen Fryer
. There is a version for lute in William Ballet's Lute Book of about the same time. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list

7-course - 6-course

2005-04-02 Thread Stephen Fryer
? -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Re: Details

2005-06-07 Thread Stephen Fryer
what this is? Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the file. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find

Re: Osage Orange, was Yew

2005-06-28 Thread Stephen Fryer
Steve Ramey wrote: If I recall correctly from my Kansas days, something over 40 years ago, it's terribly hard, heavy, dense, tough stuff-- just barely floats, hard on tools. I don't know about European Yew, but Pacific Yew tends to be like that, but red not yellow. -- Stephen Fryer Lund

[LUTE] Double-strung courses

2005-08-28 Thread Stephen Fryer
there must have been some perceived advantage. I'm afraid I can only see possible disadvantages. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have

[LUTE] Re: Who wants to go Medieval?

2005-10-16 Thread Stephen Fryer
Coelho, Victor Anand, An invitation to the fifteenth-century plectrum lute: the Pesaro Manuscript, in Coelho, ed. _Performance on Lute, Guitar, and Vihuela: Historical Practice and Modern Interpretation_, Caambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2005 -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services

[LUTE] Re: L'amour de moi

2005-11-06 Thread Stephen Fryer
jardin est belle et plaisant Il est garni de toutes fleurs On y prend son ebattement Autant la nuit comme le jour -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have

[LUTE] Re: Besards right hand technique

2006-08-03 Thread Stephen Fryer
). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Lute Publications

2006-08-03 Thread Stephen Fryer
Daniel Shoskes wrote: One comment: the tablature letter d in your samples has a very confusing appearance. Any chance to change the font to something with a more prominent tail? That was my reaction also. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services

[LUTE] Re: Now that's early music

2006-08-11 Thread Stephen Fryer
Craig Allen wrote: From the depths of the Earth to the depths of your soul. I wonder how Weiss would feel about this. Could be much more than merely Weisses Rauschen. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4777565.stm Rock music! -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services

[LUTE] Re: Matelart Fantasia Terza

2006-08-27 Thread Stephen Fryer
having their own variations. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Fryer
century lutes were built much differently than 16th-century ones. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Fryer
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[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Fryer
it is a bollock dagger (look it up). Being involved with Medieval re-enactment and re-creation groups doe sgive one the familiarity to recognize things in old paintings that might otherwise puzzle. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more

[LUTE] Re: Lute stand???

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Fryer
/bollockdaggers.php ) -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] da Milano

2006-10-12 Thread Stephen Fryer
if someone could point me to a source. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: B flat chord in Capirola and Newsidler

2006-12-19 Thread Stephen Fryer
with more courses causes problems! -- Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen Fryer
Denys Stephens wrote: I would hate to be taken too seriously. For most people the problem is not being taken seriously enough ;-) -- Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have

[LUTE] Re: Griffe's Delight

2007-04-23 Thread Stephen Fryer
? Not that I know of. Perhaps it could be derived from grieve? That seems highly improbable. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have

[LUTE] Re: Griffe's Delight

2007-04-26 Thread Stephen Fryer
Stephen Fryer wrote: Bernd Haegemann wrote: There is some discussion on the francophone list about the title of tht piece. Could it be also Grisse's...? In the original printing it is quite clearly Grisse his delight. the long s used is quite distinguishable from the f. I should

[LUTE] Re: Hexachords

2007-07-25 Thread Stephen Fryer
I was wondering if any list members were attending the LSA lute seminar in Vancouver, BC next weekend. It would be nice to have a few faces to attach to names. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more

[LUTE] LSA Seminar Vancouver

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Fryer
Trying this again with an appropriate subject line. I was wondering if any list members were attending the LSA lute seminar in Vancouver, BC next weekend. It would be nice to have a few faces to attach to names. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services

[LUTE] Munich MS1512

2007-11-17 Thread Stephen Fryer
Does anyone know the date of the Munich MS 1512? -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: Munich MS1512

2007-11-18 Thread Stephen Fryer
Thanks to all who supplied information! -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: Heigh ho Holiday

2007-11-18 Thread Stephen Fryer
that Holborne published it in 1599 in Pavans, Galliards, Almains and other short Aeirs which is for a five-part consort (for viols, violins, and other musicall winde instruments). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find

[LUTE] Re: Fronimo / pdf file question

2007-11-22 Thread Stephen Fryer
is part of the file. This setting should be available in any PDF creation software; you should be able to find it somewhere now you know to look for it. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have

[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?

2007-11-25 Thread Stephen Fryer
at 62-63cm is a good way to go, but appear to be going against the grain. If an 8c is the standard, can someone explain this to me? No, it's more like the lowest common denominator. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers

[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online

2007-12-02 Thread Stephen Fryer
of the pages too. It doesnt take very much in the way of dampness to cause this to happen; very much and the pages either mildew or stick together. At what point (or points?) in the book's history this occurred I couldn't guess. -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services

[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online

2007-12-03 Thread Stephen Fryer
in). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin

[LUTE] Re: Spinacino online

2007-12-03 Thread Stephen Fryer
Denys Stephens wrote: Stephen Fryer is of course right in pointing out that it's presumably the slight distortion of the pages themselves that causes the stave lines to look distorted. It seems clear from the Minkoff print that this distortion was not evident in the photographs used to make

[LUTE] Re: Lute songs

2008-05-29 Thread Stephen Fryer
at that time of night ;) Should I know who Mr. Alison is? Yes. ;) Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Packington's Pound

2008-09-09 Thread Stephen Fryer
of this piece that they could send so I can figure out what it is really supposed to be? Stephen Fryer The more answers I find, the more questions I have To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Packington's Pound

2008-09-12 Thread Stephen Fryer
Many thanks to all who responded with information and advice - it was all very useful to me. Of course answers raise new questions: Stewart McCoy wrote There is no fingering. So I wonder if this is true of this manuscript in general? Or of all of Matthew Holmes' manuscripts? Stephen

[LUTE] Re: Eye-gore

2008-11-09 Thread Stephen Fryer
to see his nonsense. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera

2008-12-06 Thread Stephen Fryer
use to those of us who have no access to microfilm equipment. Stephen fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Luet duos

2008-12-14 Thread Stephen Fryer
specifically in this case: http://gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Lute_ensemble/ Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] 'Tis the season

2008-12-24 Thread Stephen Fryer
I just wanted to wish everyone a happy and safe holiday season. http://www3.telus.net/public/sjfryer/Temp/Christmas%20-%20The%20Lutenist.jpg Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Haulberroys 1

2009-02-21 Thread Stephen Fryer
, either in Heartz's edition or in the original and i would like to determine which. Thanks Stephen Fryer * The more answers I find the questions I have. * To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: review

2009-06-01 Thread Stephen Fryer
of exquisite emptiness. The wood in the sound engulfs the throat and presses the forehead in a clutching gentility to highlight your very focused phrasing. ???So, you liked it??? I think this gets filed under If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. Stephen Fryer

[LUTE] Re: LSA 2009 Vancouver

2009-08-16 Thread Stephen Fryer
the next Vancouver LSA Seminar.(I know that Caroline Usher was wandering around taking pictures of all that was going on.) I've posted a few here: http://www3.telus.net/sfryer/LSA%20Vancouver%202009.html Stephen Fryer * * The more answers i

[LUTE] Re: Jane Pickeringe's book in the net?

2009-09-21 Thread Stephen Fryer
to drive 10 hours to look at a facsimile edition (Boethius Press). Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: 1295

2009-12-10 Thread Stephen Fryer
it?.. Remember how long ago the OED was compiled. The 1295 information was probably not available then. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Looking for ...

2010-01-01 Thread Stephen Fryer
Tablature to I Kissed Her While She Blushed (Straloch). I haven't been able to find it anywhere. And a Happy New Year to everyone! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...

2010-01-04 Thread Stephen Fryer
Sauvage Valéry wrote: Here is a copy of the original piece... (hope you can open attachments) Val. Thanks Val! I got it just fine :) Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Looking for ...

2010-01-04 Thread Stephen Fryer
Valérie sent. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Help with LH fingering

2010-01-21 Thread Stephen Fryer
the sixth string pretty much goes away if you have the right 6-course lute and can stop it with your thumb. This is a common technique with electric guitar and seems to be indicated as a possibility in the introduction to the Capirola MS ( http://www.marincola.com/lutebot1.txt ). Stephen Fryer

[LUTE] Re: Binchois - Jamais tant

2010-03-29 Thread Stephen Fryer
wolfgang wiehe wrote: there is a facsimie of this codex see http://www.amazon.ca/Oxford-Bodleian-Library-Canon-Misc/dp/0226237060 perhaps you can get it via library exchange. greetings Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:47:23 +0200 Von: Giuliano Lucini

[LUTE] Re: String tension

2010-04-21 Thread Stephen Fryer
. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: incompatibility gardening/lute playing?

2010-06-29 Thread Stephen Fryer
a severed tendon in my left hand have reduced my hand's flexibility :( Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: EMS Lutes

2010-11-23 Thread Stephen Fryer
! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: New to the list

2011-01-14 Thread Stephen Fryer
, plus having a not-so-great lute to begin with, so I have had some experience with both sticking and slipping pegs ;) Welcome to the list and best of luck with your new instrument! This statement I heartily endorse!!! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: New to the list

2011-01-14 Thread Stephen Fryer
it - it can behave rather like a weak glue otherwise. As for peg turners they were invented to make winding new strings onto the pegs (whether guitar machine heads or friction pegs) rather than forcing stuck pegs and are not optimal for the tiny adjustments in fine tuning. Stephen Fryer To get

[LUTE] Lute finishes

2011-02-12 Thread Stephen Fryer
What finishes were used on lutes in the 16th century or earlier? Do we have any evidence? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: diatessaron/diapente

2011-10-30 Thread Stephen Fryer
On 30/10/2011 10:11 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I was going to ask the same thing! But never mind Greek. What does 'diatessaron above the diapente' mean in English? Literally a fourth above a fifth. It doesn't make much sense to me either - wouldn't that be an octave? stephen

[LUTE] Re: Lute of the Month- UGLY!

2011-12-14 Thread Stephen Fryer
=SixCourse.jpg Sounds much better than it looks, which is why I allow it to live. I think David Van Edwards has nailed it- too late for this one, though. Thanks for the photo. Of course the question becomes, do we play an instrument for its LOOKS or its SOUND? Stephen Fryer To get on or off

[LUTE] Re: Looking for the tune Walsingham

2012-01-06 Thread Stephen Fryer
:// gerbode.net ) Always a good place to start when looking for lute music1 For example: http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Cosens_lute_book/8-course_arrangements/pdf/09v_walsingham.pdf Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Re: Some history questions

2012-02-01 Thread Stephen Fryer
the lute wasn't out of step with the times. Roman once wrote here on the same question ...they did but they shouldn't have! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dumps and Downes

2012-02-14 Thread Stephen Fryer
?) bass line and the melody playing against it. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Pronunciation of Fuenllana's name.

2012-03-27 Thread Stephen Fryer
start see _Singing Early Music_, edited by Timothy McGee, published by Indiana University Press, 1996. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: looking for a painting

2012-05-31 Thread Stephen Fryer
On 30/05/2012 2:44 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Cannot seem to find it: Woman tuning her lute. Seen from the back. Not much clothing. Perhaps it is this one? http://www.superstock.com/stock-photos-images/1075-199 Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: English in the time of Dowland.

2012-12-31 Thread Stephen Fryer
be of interest is 'The Great Vowel Shift': http://eweb.furman.edu/~mmenzer/gvs/ which covers the changes in English pronunciation from 1300 to 1700 with lots of examples and sound files. Would any modern British accents be close? I always take any such claims with a large sack of salt. Stephen

[LUTE] Re: Lute painting

2013-02-04 Thread Stephen Fryer
pictures of them used on some of the large baroque lutes, but are there any images of lute straps in use earlier and on smaller lutes? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-05 Thread Stephen Fryer
. We still filled the hall. When our group disbanded (for various reasons) people were disappointed that we were not putting on our usual concert and kept asking about it. So there are some places where EM (and lute) draw some interest. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Stephen Fryer
Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08/2013 11:15 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: That's one scary thought. RT On 8/7/2013 10:28 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Why not lutes? Get the SCA involved! To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Stephen Fryer
Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of them. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:00 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't, but I don't have any poles over 10' here. RT On 8/8/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Why does it frighten you? Stephen Fryer On 07/08

[LUTE] Re: general public Lute awareness

2013-08-08 Thread Stephen Fryer
Ah, I take it then that you don't have a real, valid reason. Stephen Fryer On 08/08/2013 2:25 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's just the stench that is insufferable. RT On 8/8/2013 5:23 PM, Stephen Fryer wrote: Well if you're afraid to get that close, you must be pretty scared of them

[LUTE] Facsimile?

2013-11-13 Thread Stephen Fryer
I am trying to find a facsimile of the lute music contained in GB-En K.33b which I believe is on folios 66 and 67. Any leads would be appreciated. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Chilesotti?

2013-12-17 Thread Stephen Fryer
://lautenist.de/chilesotti7.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti8.pdf http://lautenist.de/chilesotti9.pdf Thanks! And that's still not all 99 of them! Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Christmas

2013-12-24 Thread Stephen Fryer
Merry Christmas to all my friends. I hope Christmas will be truly wonderful for you all! Stephen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Capriola Lute Book on Ebay

2013-12-30 Thread Stephen Fryer
=Antiquarian_Collectiblehash =item35d038151f Cheers, Steve It's also available as a free PDF scan (70 MB) at IMSLP: http://imslp.org/wiki/Capirola_Lutebook_%28Capirola,_Vincenzo%29 Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria CITES documentation

2014-03-24 Thread Stephen Fryer
they determine that the wood is actually one of the regulated species? Do they have a test, or are there agents that are trained in wood identification? Toby Guilty until proven innocent. If you can't prove it isn't then it is. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: Cambridge goes on-line.

2015-01-21 Thread Stephen Fryer
Apologies if someone already posted this. …Bob Is there a URL somewhere to access the collection? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Is high-gloss quieter?

2015-01-17 Thread Stephen Fryer
on it soesn't seem to produce any noticeable noise. Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Paduane in Triple Time

2015-07-04 Thread Stephen Fryer
parallel to marches in 3/4 time? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: When Daffodils Begin to Peer

2015-12-10 Thread Stephen Fryer
-Daffodils-Begin-To-Peer-9426.aspx Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Android app for tablature

2015-12-30 Thread Stephen Fryer
Is anyone aware of an android app for lute tablature? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Neusidler Introduction

2016-11-11 Thread Stephen Fryer
Is there somewhere available an English translation of Hans Neusidler's introduction to his 1536 edition (or possibly the 1549 edition)? Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Shorter emails

2017-09-05 Thread Stephen Fryer
It is considered basic courtesy (or was). Stephen Fryer On 2017-09-05 6:44 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:40 AM, G. C. <kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Is there no way to get the messages slimmer? Sure. Just as I have trimmed your message, every individual can cut out unnec

[LUTE] Re: Shorter emails

2017-09-05 Thread Stephen Fryer
People could simply edit out the extraneous material when replying.  It isn't difficult. Stephen Fryer On 2017-09-05 4:26 PM, G. C. wrote: No, Please, Wayne, that would be to destroy eventually long, but interesting mails, and would infringe. It is not the size, its

[LUTE] Re: Samuel Pepys

2018-08-12 Thread Stephen Fryer
I read his diary many years ago. I think the fact that he ended quite a number of entries with "Beat my wife. And so to bed." pretty much sums up his attitude. Stephen Fryer On 2018-08-12 2:50 PM, G. C. wrote: I just found out, that SP was the Harvey Weinstein of

[LUTE] Re: meantone tuning tech

2018-03-09 Thread Stephen Fryer
I remember being rather excited when I saw in an old painting of a lute that at least one of the frets had a sliver of wood inserted to tighten it.  Unfortunately I have lost the reference. Stephen Fryer On 2018-03-09 4:55 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote: How would you tighten the frets? I

[LUTE] Re: Meaning of title "Silva de Sirenas"

2018-04-11 Thread Stephen Fryer
"Wood (forest) of the Sirens" On 2018-04-11 1:36 PM, Jurgen Frenz wrote: Hello there, another thread on this list motivated me to ask - the title of Valderrabano's publication "Silva de Sirenas" renders if latin was the source language "Arctic Forest" which I would find hard