I remember being rather excited when I saw in an old painting of a lute
that at least one of the frets had a sliver of wood inserted to tighten
it. Unfortunately I have lost the reference.
Stephen Fryer
On 2018-03-09 4:55 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
How would you tighten the frets? I tried burning off the knot a bit
more so it pulls together. Does work sometimes.
I could put pieces of matches under the fret, but that's cheating :)
Am 09.03.2018 um 05:09 schrieb spiffys84121:
It is quite easy to tighten frets when they become loose. It baffles
me when I see lutes with shims on several frets. Changing your frets
when they are loose is like changing your shoe laces every time they
become loose. Just tighten those frets!
Sterling
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-------- Original message --------
From: Tristan von Neumann <[email protected]>
Date: 3/8/18 6:28 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: lutelist Net <[email protected]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: meantone tuning tech
My frets move even if I don't want them to move... at least after some
time. Maybe my knots are not good enough. But once you move them, they
become loose.
Actually I find some differences in tone very appealing.
Even if some pieces sound dark or harsh, I try to think of it as color
and not a flaw.
I don't know how this was in different climate zones of Europe, but is
there a region where Lutes are always in tune, considering the "Little
Ice Age" of course, not today's reemerging from it.
But with gut and mostly difficult weather conditions back then, I might
want to think that we're already in Lute Heaven with being able to
choose our room temperature and even avoid gut strings if you're ok with
it...
I sometimes wonder who Archicembali were kept in tune...
Am 08.03.2018 um 18:39 schrieb Daniel Shoskes:
> I don’t have OUP access so can’t read the entire review, but would
be rather surprised to have a criticism boil down to Dolata's thesis
was “the frets can move so they must have moved”. I read the book a
couple of years ago but glancing through it again there is a balanced
and measured weighing of evidence including iconography, spacing of
historical fixed fret instruments and multiple vihuela, viol and lute
sources including Galilei. If someone can share the entire review
with me I would be happy to re-evalutate and reconsider. For me
personally, spending most of my plucking in the d minor tuning world,
equal temperament is the norm.
>
> Returning to the original question of the original poster, the
book contains practical advice for tuning in meantone temperaments
using the ear and/or a commercial electronic tuner and deals with
pros and cons for solo and ensemble players.
>
> Danny
>
>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Andreas Schlegel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> There’s a different view here:
>> A. Otterstedt, Fretting about tuning (review of D. Dolata,
Meantone temperaments on lutes and viols, Bloomington und Indiana,
2016), in: Early Music, cax101, https://doi.org/10.1093/em/cax101
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>>> Am 08.03.2018 um 16:09 schrieb Daniel Shoskes
<[email protected]>:
>>>
>>> For an excellent book by a musicologist and busy lute performer
(solo and continuo), I highly recommend “Meantone Temperaments on
Lutes and Viols” by David Dolata. Indiana University Press 2016.
History covered in part 1, theory in part 2 and practicalities in
part 3 (by ear and using a tuning device).
>>>
>>> goo.gl/9Aewv2 <http://goo.gl/9Aewv2>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Matthew Daillie
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I totally agree with Martin Shepherd (indeed two of our
messages said the same thing) but what is the valid point Ron was
making ??
>>>>
>>>> Leonard's original post was a question about his method for
tuning 1/4 comma meantone, not whether it was appropriate or not to
use it on lutes, a can of worms I certainly did not wish to open
(personally I use both equal and 1/5 comma mean-tone on my lutes).
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/03/2018 15:31, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>>>>> Ron and Martin have valid points - in particular the
advocacy of a true
>>>>> meantone is something of a chimera on the lute. Indeed, this
matter of
>>>>> non-equal temperament on lutes has been considered on this
forum a
>>>>> number of times before - just search the archives. For
example this
>>>>> some seven years ago (and quite a few much more recently):
>>>>> * [1]Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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