Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-20 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: Well this is well known and as developer you should have looked at the buglist on SourceForge.net ;) I still think that this was a sly way to get help, but anyway I've played further. #:O) Well you won't believe it but I know since a long time the

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-20 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: >> Well this is well known and as developer you should have looked at the > buglist >> on SourceForge.net ;) > > I still think that this was a sly way to get help, but anyway I've played > further. #:O) Well you won't believe it but I know since a long

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 18-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: This is not a stunning example of WYSIWYM. Please, please, (Lars?) change the appearance back to the old behavior!!! I don't think this will happen. What will happen is that we will change the InsetERT to be inlined. What will NOT happen is that a inlined

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Mike Ressler
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 18-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: This is not a stunning example of WYSIWYM. Please, please, (Lars?) change the appearance back to the old behavior!!! I don't think this will happen. What will happen is that we will change the InsetERT to be

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Mike Ressler
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 19-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: like a math inset would be fine. Maybe that is the model: an inlined ERT box and a display ERT box, for longer chunks of LaTeX code. That's exactly what we plan to do :) Excellent! Why didn't you just say so :-)

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:21:51AM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 18-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: This is not a stunning example of WYSIWYM. Please, please, (Lars?) change the appearance back to the old behavior!!! I don't think this will happen. What will happen is that we will

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: can't you un-inline the ert inset automagically when it extends beyond the right margin of the workarea ? Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get complaints about this automatic behaviour someone surely doesn't like!

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:08:12PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: can't you un-inline the ert inset automagically when it extends beyond the right margin of the workarea ? Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 19 July 2001 16:08, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: can't you un-inline the ert inset automagically when it extends beyond the right margin of the workarea ? Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get complaints about

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get complaints about this automatic behaviour someone surely doesn't like! Well it seems like a good suggestion to me because it only affects the users The only change to the above I

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 19 July 2001 16:14, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: Think about the alternative - I add a lot of ert into the inset, so it is drawn off the side, and I can't even read it ! Surely we dont really have/want a choice in this circumstance. Well we

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: Road test to infinite redraws: 1. Insert table, I row, 2 columns 2. Type in first (leftmost) column until the table gets bigger than the width Well this is well known and as developer you should have looked at the buglist on SourceForge.net ;)

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:50:43PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: Road test to infinite redraws: 1. Insert table, I row, 2 columns 2. Type in first (leftmost) column until the table gets bigger than the width Well this is well known and as developer

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 19 July 2001 16:50, Juergen Vigna wrote: On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: Road test to infinite redraws: 1. Insert table, I row, 2 columns 2. Type in first (leftmost) column until the table gets bigger than the width Well this is well known and as developer you should

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 18-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: > This is not a stunning example of WYSIWYM. Please, please, (Lars?) change > the appearance back to the old behavior!!! I don't think this will happen. What will happen is that we will change the InsetERT to be inlined. What will NOT happen is that a inlined

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Mike Ressler
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote: > On 18-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: > > This is not a stunning example of WYSIWYM. Please, please, (Lars?) change > > the appearance back to the old behavior!!! > > I don't think this will happen. What will happen is that we will change > the InsetERT to

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Mike Ressler
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote: > On 19-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: > > > like a math inset would be fine. Maybe that is the model: an inlined ERT > > box and a "display" ERT box, for longer chunks of LaTeX code. > > That's exactly what we plan to do :) Excellent! Why didn't you just

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:21:51AM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: > > On 18-Jul-2001 Mike Ressler wrote: > > > This is not a stunning example of WYSIWYM. Please, please, (Lars?) change > > the appearance back to the old behavior!!! > > I don't think this will happen. What will happen is that we

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: > can't you un-inline the ert inset automagically when it extends beyond the right >margin > of the workarea ? Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get complaints about this automatic behaviour someone surely doesn't like!

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:08:12PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: > > On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: > > > can't you un-inline the ert inset automagically when it extends beyond the right >margin > > of the workarea ? > > Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 19 July 2001 16:08, Juergen Vigna wrote: > On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: > > > can't you un-inline the ert inset automagically when it extends beyond the right margin > > of the workarea ? > > Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get > complaints

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: >> Probably yes, but do I want to do this? Probably no, as then I would get >> complaints about this automatic behaviour someone surely doesn't like! > > Well it seems like a good suggestion to me because it only affects the users The only change to the

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 19 July 2001 16:14, Juergen Vigna wrote: > On 19-Jul-2001 John Levon wrote: > > > Think about the alternative - I add a lot of ert into the inset, so it is drawn off > > the side, and I can't even read it ! > > > > Surely we dont really have/want a choice in this circumstance. > >

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: > Road test to infinite redraws: > 1. Insert table, I row, 2 columns > 2. Type in first (leftmost) column until the table gets bigger than the width Well this is well known and as developer you should have looked at the buglist on SourceForge.net ;)

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:50:43PM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote: > > On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: > > > Road test to infinite redraws: > > 1. Insert table, I row, 2 columns > > 2. Type in first (leftmost) column until the table gets bigger than the width > > Well this is well known and

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-19 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 19 July 2001 16:50, Juergen Vigna wrote: > On 19-Jul-2001 Angus Leeming wrote: > > > Road test to infinite redraws: > > 1. Insert table, I row, 2 columns > > 2. Type in first (leftmost) column until the table gets bigger than the width > > Well this is well known and as developer

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Angus Leeming wrote: I believe that the NATBIB branch is now in a fit state to merge back into head. This is now your final chance to try it out before I completely screw up the CVS head by rolling the branch back in ;-) Woo hoo!!! Yes! Grabbed it, compiled it, already

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:49:45AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: That said, I want to gripe about the 666 insets, since this is the first yes, everyone has this gripe. Lars and Juergen are doing things to get it nice again, but with out re-introducing latex font mode (something that needs

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread Garst R. Reese
John Levon wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:49:45AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: That said, I want to gripe about the 666 insets, since this is the first yes, everyone has this gripe. Lars and Juergen are doing things to get it nice again, but with out re-introducing latex font mode

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:05:42PM -0300, Garst R. Reese wrote: And John, clicking on MathPanel Greek killed LyX for me also, so it is probably not your xforms. hmm. I've tried it against an xforms with /definitely/ the right glibc and still get the problem too. I'll have to see what's going

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Angus Leeming wrote: > I believe that the NATBIB branch is now in a fit state to merge back into > head. This is now your final chance to try it out before I completely screw > up the CVS head by rolling the branch back in ;-) Woo hoo!!! Yes! Grabbed it, compiled it, already

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:49:45AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > That said, I want to gripe about the 666 insets, since this is the first yes, everyone has this gripe. Lars and Juergen are doing things to get it nice again, but with out re-introducing latex font mode (something that needs

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread Garst R. Reese
John Levon wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:49:45AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > > > That said, I want to gripe about the 666 insets, since this is the first > > yes, everyone has this gripe. Lars and Juergen are doing things to get it nice > again, but with out re-introducing latex font

Re: Natbib announcement (and 666 inset gripes)

2001-07-18 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 05:05:42PM -0300, Garst R. Reese wrote: > And John, clicking on MathPanel Greek killed LyX for me also, so it is > probably not your xforms. hmm. I've tried it against an xforms with /definitely/ the right glibc and still get the problem too. I'll have to see what's