Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Pavel Sanda]

Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
> Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:41:17 +0200
> Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> 
> > Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > thanks, for the clarifications!
> > > 
> > > I see you removed the "luettelo" parts which is supposedly "List"
> > > in your language. Are you sure about that change?
> 
> Yes, the common convention is not to write that in the PDF. I'll refer
> to this as an official authority:
> 
> /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-finnish/finnish.ldf

I see, that is surprising.

> from babel-finnish would work the best. BTW wouldn't it be easier to
> use that instead of hard coding the text in LyX?

We would like to avoid such hardcoding, but the strings we ask for
are not translated by babel (unless some new strings appeared in
new versions).

> > > If you have book with bunch of algorithm codes and you put
> > > somewhere into appendix list of those, they will be introduced by
> > > Algoritmit instead of Algoritmien luettelo. Was that intended?  
> > 
> > I just checked that all the "List" strings were recently checked by
> > Martin Vermeer, so I think it was actually meant to be with
> > "luettelo". (?)
> 
> I might have messed up some things when writing the
> translations for the GUI. I feel the word 'luettelo/lista' might
> clarify things in the GUI, but then again the printed version should
> not show those. If both need to display the same, it might be
> clearer to use the print version for both.

Yes, Ok then.

> If they need different names, I'd use 'Kaavio / kaaviot' for
> chart/charts and 'Graafi / graafit' or 'Diagrammi / diagrammit' for
> some nonconventional graph/graphs. 'Kuvaaja' is just a synonym for
> 'kaavio'. I checked the translations and most presentations are called
> chart <-> kaavio. That word covers most of the graphs/charts out there.

Lets stay with kaavio then.
> 
> > > Graphs/Chart/Scheme are for papers written in layout for American
> > > Chemical Society and apparently they don't even care to show Graph
> > > example in their demo
> > > ( http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/achemso/achemso-demo.pdf
> > > ) so I think this particular tranaslation is not that important. 
> > > > > Apparently this is related to chemistry? Is the 'scheme' like
> > > > > 'Chemical equation', 'structural formula' or something else?
> > > > > It's hard to translate this without knowing the context.  
> > > 
> > > Most likely they are your 'structural formula'. 
> 
> The word for that would be 'Rakennekaava'. The word for 'chemical
> equation' is 'Reaktiokaava'. I'd imagine the chemists want to enumerate
> both, but don't know which one is more common if only one is supported.

Shrug. Kuvaus/Kuvausten luettelo was used, new version of yours Kuvaus/Kuvaukset
perhaps we can leave it in the old version until some chemist report complaint 
;)
> > > > > 
> > > > > "List of Listings"
> > > > > "List of Program Listing"
> > > > >   
> > > > > -> Ohjelmalistaukset  
> > > 
> > > They are program code.
> 
> Right, so the 'ohjelmalistaukset' sounds more reasonable. I'm a

Fine, so that's the version we have now.

FYI the current version for finish is now at
https://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyxgit/lib/layouttranslations?rev=5e2a9e32c47dc1325e475acc2a9c4dbf0336fc7d
in case you want to check we did not screw your advice.

Thanks for cooperation :)
Pavel

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Jari-Matti Mäkelä]

Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:41:17 +0200
Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > Hi,
> > thanks, for the clarifications!
> > 
> > I see you removed the "luettelo" parts which is supposedly "List"
> > in your language. Are you sure about that change?

Yes, the common convention is not to write that in the PDF. I'll refer
to this as an official authority:

/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel-finnish/finnish.ldf

[code]
\addto\captionsfinnish{%
  \def\prefacename{Esipuhe}%
  \def\refname{Viitteet}%
  \def\abstractname{Tiivistelm\"a}
  \def\bibname{Kirjallisuutta}%
  \def\chaptername{Luku}%
  \def\appendixname{Liite}%
  \def\contentsname{Sis\"alt\"o}%   /* Could be "Sis\"allys" as well */
  \def\listfigurename{Kuvat}%
  \def\listtablename{Taulukot}%
  \def\indexname{Hakemisto}%
  \def\figurename{Kuva}%
  \def\tablename{Taulukko}%
  \def\partname{Osa}%
  \def\enclname{Liitteet}%
  \def\ccname{Jakelu}%
  \def\headtoname{Vastaanottaja}%
  \def\pagename{Sivu}%
  \def\seename{katso}%
  \def\alsoname{katso my\"os}%
  \def\proofname{Todistus}%
  \def\glossaryname{Sanasto}%
  }%
[/code]

We don't mention the word 'table' in the TOC either. The lists for
figures/tables aren't used that much in texts. There are some guides
for naming them in thesis / reports, but I couldn't find a single
authority that would be most correct and official one. I think this one
from babel-finnish would work the best. BTW wouldn't it be easier to
use that instead of hard coding the text in LyX?


> > If you have book with bunch of algorithm codes and you put
> > somewhere into appendix list of those, they will be introduced by
> > Algoritmit instead of Algoritmien luettelo. Was that intended?  
> 
> I just checked that all the "List" strings were recently checked by
> Martin Vermeer, so I think it was actually meant to be with
> "luettelo". (?)

I might have messed up some things when writing the
translations for the GUI. I feel the word 'luettelo/lista' might
clarify things in the GUI, but then again the printed version should
not show those. If both need to display the same, it might be
clearer to use the print version for both.

> > > > "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]"
> > > > 
> > > > I have to admit I didn't understand the difference between
> > > > charts and graphs and couldn't find this yet from the GUI.
> > > > Chart is e.g. a bar/pie chart? Graph is some other graphical
> > > > notation for expressing data? This is confusing without knowing
> > > > the context. If there is no other difference, the same
> > > > translation works:  
> > > 
> > > I don't know either. Anyway, there has to be different
> > > translation, otherwise the two menu entries in outliner are not
> > > distinguishable.  

If they need different names, I'd use 'Kaavio / kaaviot' for
chart/charts and 'Graafi / graafit' or 'Diagrammi / diagrammit' for
some nonconventional graph/graphs. 'Kuvaaja' is just a synonym for
'kaavio'. I checked the translations and most presentations are called
chart <-> kaavio. That word covers most of the graphs/charts out there.

> > Graphs/Chart/Scheme are for papers written in layout for American
> > Chemical Society and apparently they don't even care to show Graph
> > example in their demo
> > ( http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/achemso/achemso-demo.pdf
> > ) so I think this particular tranaslation is not that important. 
> > > > Apparently this is related to chemistry? Is the 'scheme' like
> > > > 'Chemical equation', 'structural formula' or something else?
> > > > It's hard to translate this without knowing the context.  
> > 
> > Most likely they are your 'structural formula'. 

The word for that would be 'Rakennekaava'. The word for 'chemical
equation' is 'Reaktiokaava'. I'd imagine the chemists want to enumerate
both, but don't know which one is more common if only one is supported.

> > > > 
> > > > "List of Listings"
> > > > "List of Program Listing"
> > > >   
> > > > -> Ohjelmalistaukset  
> > 
> > They are program code.

Right, so the 'ohjelmalistaukset' sounds more reasonable. I'm a
computer engineer myself and don't associate the word 'listaukset' with
program code. I can only guess the connection by knowing that the
package 'lstlisting' exists.

 - Jari-Matti

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2017 um 05:58:29, schrieb Jari-Matti Mäkelä 
> > 
> > >  Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:30:07 +0200
> > > Kornel Benko  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
> > > > are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.
> > > > Again, he should be asked if the new translation are OK for pdf.
> > > > But, as I see it, I would not touch lib/layouttranslations in the fi
> > > > part ATM. There are still about 2600 untranslated/fuzzy messages in
> > > > fi.po. Jari-Mati seems to be willing to work on this if he finds some
> > > > time.
> > > > 
> > > > Jari, what about the following in lib/layouttranslations?
> > > > 
> > > > -   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmien luettelo"
> > > > -   "List of Charts" "Kaavioiden luettelo"
> > > > -   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaajien luettelo"
> > > > -   "List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
> > > > -   "List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
> > > > +   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmit"
> > > > +   "List of Charts" "Kaaviot"
> > > > +   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kaaviot"
> > > > +   "List of Schemes" "Kuvaukset"
> > > > +   "List of Tableaux" "Taulut"qgit show
> > > > 
> > > > The following is wrong (according to Jari, maybe also wrong in fi.po)
> > > > -   "Listing" "Ohjelmalistaus"
> > > > +   "Listing" "Listaus"
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Sorry, only had time now to study this further.
> 
> Hi,
> thanks, for the clarifications!
> 
> I see you removed the "luettelo" parts which is supposedly "List" in your 
> language.
> Are you sure about that change?
> 
> If you have book with bunch of algorithm codes and you put somewhere into 
> appendix
> list of those, they will be introduced by Algoritmit instead of Algoritmien 
> luettelo.
> Was that intended?

I just checked that all the "List" strings were recently checked by Martin 
Vermeer,
so I think it was actually meant to be with "luettelo". (?)

Pavel

> 
> > > "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]"
> > > 
> > > I have to admit I didn't understand the difference between charts and
> > > graphs and couldn't find this yet from the GUI. Chart is e.g. a bar/pie
> > > chart? Graph is some other graphical notation for expressing data? This
> > > is confusing without knowing the context. If there is no other
> > > difference, the same translation works:
> > 
> > I don't know either. Anyway, there has to be different translation, 
> > otherwise
> > the two menu entries in outliner are not distinguishable.
> 
> Graphs/Chart/Scheme are for papers written in layout for American Chemical 
> Society
> and apparently they don't even care to show Graph example in their demo
> ( http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/achemso/achemso-demo.pdf )
> so I think this particular tranaslation is not that important. 
> 
> > > Apparently this is related to chemistry? Is the 'scheme' like 'Chemical
> > > equation', 'structural formula' or something else? It's hard to
> > > translate this without knowing the context.
> 
> Most likely they are your 'structural formula'. 
> 
> > > "List of Tableaux"
> > > 
> > > -> Taulukot
> > 
> > 
> > Done
> > 
> > > Tableaux is just a synonym for tables in french/latin? I tried to google
> > > this but couldn't find any special meaning in LaTeX/LyX other than the
> > > plural form of 'table'.
> 
> That's from linguistics and my understanding something similar to some logic 
> table.
> Likely so specific that using Tableaux in your language is just fine.
> 
> > > Basically all 'listings' in LyX use the lstlisting package? From a
> > > translators POV, it's really hard to identify the context, whether we
> > > are listing some generic items or program code.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "List of Listings"
> > > "List of Program Listing"
> > > 
> > > -> Ohjelmalistaukset
> 
> They are program code.
> 
> Pavel

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Pavel Sanda]

Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2017 um 05:58:29, schrieb Jari-Matti Mäkelä 
> 
> >  Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:30:07 +0200
> > Kornel Benko  wrote:
> > 
> > > At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
> > > are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.
> > > Again, he should be asked if the new translation are OK for pdf.
> > > But, as I see it, I would not touch lib/layouttranslations in the fi
> > > part ATM. There are still about 2600 untranslated/fuzzy messages in
> > > fi.po. Jari-Mati seems to be willing to work on this if he finds some
> > > time.
> > > 
> > > Jari, what about the following in lib/layouttranslations?
> > > 
> > > -   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmien luettelo"
> > > -   "List of Charts" "Kaavioiden luettelo"
> > > -   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaajien luettelo"
> > > -   "List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
> > > -   "List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
> > > +   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmit"
> > > +   "List of Charts" "Kaaviot"
> > > +   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kaaviot"
> > > +   "List of Schemes" "Kuvaukset"
> > > +   "List of Tableaux" "Taulut"qgit show
> > > 
> > > The following is wrong (according to Jari, maybe also wrong in fi.po)
> > > -   "Listing" "Ohjelmalistaus"
> > > +   "Listing" "Listaus"
> > > 
> > 
> > Sorry, only had time now to study this further.

Hi,
thanks, for the clarifications!

I see you removed the "luettelo" parts which is supposedly "List" in your 
language.
Are you sure about that change?

If you have book with bunch of algorithm codes and you put somewhere into 
appendix
list of those, they will be introduced by Algoritmit instead of Algoritmien 
luettelo.
Was that intended?

> > "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]"
> > 
> > I have to admit I didn't understand the difference between charts and
> > graphs and couldn't find this yet from the GUI. Chart is e.g. a bar/pie
> > chart? Graph is some other graphical notation for expressing data? This
> > is confusing without knowing the context. If there is no other
> > difference, the same translation works:
> 
> I don't know either. Anyway, there has to be different translation, otherwise
> the two menu entries in outliner are not distinguishable.

Graphs/Chart/Scheme are for papers written in layout for American Chemical 
Society
and apparently they don't even care to show Graph example in their demo
( http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/achemso/achemso-demo.pdf )
so I think this particular tranaslation is not that important. 

> > Apparently this is related to chemistry? Is the 'scheme' like 'Chemical
> > equation', 'structural formula' or something else? It's hard to
> > translate this without knowing the context.

Most likely they are your 'structural formula'. 

> > "List of Tableaux"
> > 
> > -> Taulukot
> 
> 
> Done
> 
> > Tableaux is just a synonym for tables in french/latin? I tried to google
> > this but couldn't find any special meaning in LaTeX/LyX other than the
> > plural form of 'table'.

That's from linguistics and my understanding something similar to some logic 
table.
Likely so specific that using Tableaux in your language is just fine.

> > Basically all 'listings' in LyX use the lstlisting package? From a
> > translators POV, it's really hard to identify the context, whether we
> > are listing some generic items or program code.
> > 
> > 
> > "List of Listings"
> > "List of Program Listing"
> > 
> > -> Ohjelmalistaukset

They are program code.

Pavel

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Kornel Benko]

Am Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2017 um 05:58:29, schrieb Jari-Matti Mäkelä 

>  Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:30:07 +0200
> Kornel Benko  wrote:
> 
> > At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
> > are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.
> > Again, he should be asked if the new translation are OK for pdf.
> > But, as I see it, I would not touch lib/layouttranslations in the fi
> > part ATM. There are still about 2600 untranslated/fuzzy messages in
> > fi.po. Jari-Mati seems to be willing to work on this if he finds some
> > time.
> > 
> > Jari, what about the following in lib/layouttranslations?
> > 
> > -   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmien luettelo"
> > -   "List of Charts" "Kaavioiden luettelo"
> > -   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaajien luettelo"
> > -   "List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
> > -   "List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
> > +   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmit"
> > +   "List of Charts" "Kaaviot"
> > +   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kaaviot"
> > +   "List of Schemes" "Kuvaukset"
> > +   "List of Tableaux" "Taulut"qgit show
> > 
> > The following is wrong (according to Jari, maybe also wrong in fi.po)
> > -   "Listing" "Ohjelmalistaus"
> > +   "Listing" "Listaus"
> > 
> 
> Sorry, only had time now to study this further.
> 
> 
> Here are the correct translations.
>  
> "List of Algorithms"
> 
> -> Algoritmit
> 

Done

> "List of Charts"
> 
> -> Kaaviot
> 

Done

> "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]"
> 
> I have to admit I didn't understand the difference between charts and
> graphs and couldn't find this yet from the GUI. Chart is e.g. a bar/pie
> chart? Graph is some other graphical notation for expressing data? This
> is confusing without knowing the context. If there is no other
> difference, the same translation works:

I don't know either. Anyway, there has to be different translation, otherwise
the two menu entries in outliner are not distinguishable.

> -> Kaaviot
> 
> "List of Schemes"
> 
> Apparently this is related to chemistry? Is the 'scheme' like 'Chemical
> equation', 'structural formula' or something else? It's hard to
> translate this without knowing the context.
> 

I too found only one place in achemso.layout ...

> "List of Tableaux"
> 
> -> Taulukot


Done

> Tableaux is just a synonym for tables in french/latin? I tried to google
> this but couldn't find any special meaning in LaTeX/LyX other than the
> plural form of 'table'.
> 
> 
> "Listing"
> "Program Listing"
> 
> -> Ohjelmalistaus

Already there. (But no "Program Listing")

> Basically all 'listings' in LyX use the lstlisting package? From a
> translators POV, it's really hard to identify the context, whether we
> are listing some generic items or program code.
> 
> 
> "List of Listings"
> "List of Program Listing"
> 
> -> Ohjelmalistaukset
> 

Already there.

>  - Jari-Matti


Thanks Jari.

Committed together with changes to fi.po posted privately.

Kornel

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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Jari-Matti Mäkelä]

 Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:30:07 +0200
Kornel Benko  wrote:

> At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
> are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.
> Again, he should be asked if the new translation are OK for pdf.
> But, as I see it, I would not touch lib/layouttranslations in the fi
> part ATM. There are still about 2600 untranslated/fuzzy messages in
> fi.po. Jari-Mati seems to be willing to work on this if he finds some
> time.
> 
> Jari, what about the following in lib/layouttranslations?
> 
> -   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmien luettelo"
> -   "List of Charts" "Kaavioiden luettelo"
> -   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaajien luettelo"
> -   "List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
> -   "List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
> +   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmit"
> +   "List of Charts" "Kaaviot"
> +   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kaaviot"
> +   "List of Schemes" "Kuvaukset"
> +   "List of Tableaux" "Taulut"qgit show
> 
> The following is wrong (according to Jari, maybe also wrong in fi.po)
> -   "Listing" "Ohjelmalistaus"
> +   "Listing" "Listaus"
> 

Sorry, only had time now to study this further.


Here are the correct translations.
 
"List of Algorithms"

-> Algoritmit


"List of Charts"

-> Kaaviot


"List of Graphs[[mathematical]]"

I have to admit I didn't understand the difference between charts and
graphs and couldn't find this yet from the GUI. Chart is e.g. a bar/pie
chart? Graph is some other graphical notation for expressing data? This
is confusing without knowing the context. If there is no other
difference, the same translation works:

-> Kaaviot


"List of Schemes"

Apparently this is related to chemistry? Is the 'scheme' like 'Chemical
equation', 'structural formula' or something else? It's hard to
translate this without knowing the context.


"List of Tableaux"

-> Taulukot

Tableaux is just a synonym for tables in french/latin? I tried to google
this but couldn't find any special meaning in LaTeX/LyX other than the
plural form of 'table'.


"Listing"
"Program Listing"

-> Ohjelmalistaus

Basically all 'listings' in LyX use the lstlisting package? From a
translators POV, it's really hard to identify the context, whether we
are listing some generic items or program code.


"List of Listings"
"List of Program Listing"

-> Ohjelmalistaukset


 - Jari-Matti

Re: Translation of Listings in layouttranslations (was : [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po)

[Kornel Benko]

Am Sonntag, 11. Juni 2017 um 09:09:10, schrieb Jean-Pierre Chrétien 

> Le 10/06/2017 à 18:55, Jean-Pierre Chrétien a écrit :
> 
> >
> > French does not seem to be concerned by this call, but I reviewed one more 
> > time
> > the file and I have a doubt about the translation of
> >
> > "Listings[[List of Listings]]"
> >
> > Does this refer to the word "Listings" as it appears in the List of 
> > Listings (as
> > the double brackets indicate usually in the po file), or to the "List of
> > Listings" phrase itself ?
> 
> Coming back to the fr.po file (from where the layoutranslations are extracted 
> ?), I see this
> 
> InsetLayout TOC:Listings
>   # We need the [[List of Listings]] context, since "Listings" is also
>   # the name of the inset and translated differently.
>   # "Listings[[List of Listings]]" is the name of the "List of listings"
>   # ("Listings" is the predefined english name) in listings.sty, so it
>   # must be used here as well.
>   BabelPreamble
>   
> \addto\captions$$lang{\renewcommand{\lstlistlistingname}{_(Listings[[List of 
> Listings]])}}
>   EndBabelPreamble
> 
> This is unambiguous, my translation is currently correct, you may forget this 
> thread.
> 

Thanks. Nonetheless good questions.

Kornel

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Re: Translation of Listings in layouttranslations (was : [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po)

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Le 10/06/2017 à 18:55, Jean-Pierre Chrétien a écrit :



French does not seem to be concerned by this call, but I reviewed one more time
the file and I have a doubt about the translation of

"Listings[[List of Listings]]"

Does this refer to the word "Listings" as it appears in the List of Listings (as
the double brackets indicate usually in the po file), or to the "List of
Listings" phrase itself ?


Coming back to the fr.po file (from where the layoutranslations are extracted 
?), I see this


InsetLayout TOC:Listings
# We need the [[List of Listings]] context, since "Listings" is also
# the name of the inset and translated differently.
# "Listings[[List of Listings]]" is the name of the "List of listings"
# ("Listings" is the predefined english name) in listings.sty, so it
# must be used here as well.
BabelPreamble
		\addto\captions$$lang{\renewcommand{\lstlistlistingname}{_(Listings[[List of 
Listings]])}}

EndBabelPreamble

This is unambiguous, my translation is currently correct, you may forget this 
thread.


--
Jean-Pierre

Translation of Listings in layouttranslations (was : [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po)

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Le 08/06/2017 à 18:11, Kornel Benko a écrit :

Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 um 02:34:46, schrieb Pavel Sanda 

Kornel Benko wrote:

commit 6a4a88e98afbb9555f502d6aebef1f0ae84cff31
Author: Kornel Benko 
Date:   Wed Jun 7 18:27:32 2017 +0200

Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po


I guess you should make the translators aware of these changes
(if they were aware that those changes will be changed in pdf output).


Yes, I will.

Dear Translators, could you please check that the changes in 
lib/layouttranslations
are correct in respect to pdf-output?


French does not seem to be concerned by this call, but I reviewed one more time 
the file and I have a doubt about the translation of


"Listings[[List of Listings]]"

Does this refer to the word "Listings" as it appears in the List of Listings (as 
the double brackets indicate usually in the po file), or to the "List of 
Listings" phrase itself ?


My current transltion is

"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "Liste des listings"

Maybe I should change this to

"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "Listings"

BTW, the translation seems inconsistent in this respect along the different 
languages, as far as I can understand.


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 11:24:34PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:

> No, the target layouttranslations1 implies call to 
> po/CreateLayoutTranslations.cmake,
> which in turn calls 'po/lyx_pot.py -t layouttranslations -o 
> {top_src_dir}/lib/layouttranslations ... '
> The result is then copied to top src dir.

OK thanks.

Scott


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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Kornel Benko]

Am Freitag, 9. Juni 2017 um 15:34:00, schrieb Scott Kostyshak 
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 08:30:07PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 9. Juni 2017 um 14:06:41, schrieb Scott Kostyshak 
> > 
> > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 06:05:40PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > > Am Samstag, 10. Juni 2017 um 01:00:10, schrieb Yokota K. 
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi Kornel,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Japanese part seems good.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Koji
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks Koji. Now only the Chinese changes are not approved.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for taking care of this, Kornel. Did you generate the patch with
> > > the following make target?
> > > 
> > > make layouttranslations1
> > > 
> > > When I do that on current master, I get the attached patch.
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > 
> > At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
> > are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.
> 
> I'm lost and want to learn about this process. How did you generate your
> patch "Overtake layout translations"?


Simply calling 'make layouttranslations1' overwrites  lib/layouttranslations.
You only have to commit afterwards.

> Did you just happen to see that
> updates from po files matched with certain translations in
> layouttranslations, so you figured that the layouttranslations
> translations should also be updated? i.e. there was no command that you
> ran?

No, the target layouttranslations1 implies call to 
po/CreateLayoutTranslations.cmake,
which in turn calls 'po/lyx_pot.py -t layouttranslations -o 
{top_src_dir}/lib/layouttranslations ... '
The result is then copied to top src dir.

> Scott

Kornel

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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 08:30:07PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Freitag, 9. Juni 2017 um 14:06:41, schrieb Scott Kostyshak 
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 06:05:40PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > Am Samstag, 10. Juni 2017 um 01:00:10, schrieb Yokota K. 
> > > 
> > > > Hi Kornel,
> > > > 
> > > > The Japanese part seems good.
> > > > 
> > > > Koji
> > > 
> > > Thanks Koji. Now only the Chinese changes are not approved.
> > 
> > Thanks for taking care of this, Kornel. Did you generate the patch with
> > the following make target?
> > 
> > make layouttranslations1
> > 
> > When I do that on current master, I get the attached patch.
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
> are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.

I'm lost and want to learn about this process. How did you generate your
patch "Overtake layout translations"? Did you just happen to see that
updates from po files matched with certain translations in
layouttranslations, so you figured that the layouttranslations
translations should also be updated? i.e. there was no command that you
ran?

Scott


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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Kornel Benko]

Am Freitag, 9. Juni 2017 um 14:06:41, schrieb Scott Kostyshak 
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 06:05:40PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Samstag, 10. Juni 2017 um 01:00:10, schrieb Yokota K. 
> > > Hi Kornel,
> > > 
> > > The Japanese part seems good.
> > > 
> > > Koji
> > 
> > Thanks Koji. Now only the Chinese changes are not approved.
> 
> Thanks for taking care of this, Kornel. Did you generate the patch with
> the following make target?
> 
> make layouttranslations1
> 
> When I do that on current master, I get the attached patch.
> 
> Scott

At least 'make translations1' works. No, I did not so far. The changes
are because of the fi.po.patch from Jari-Matti Mäkelä.
Again, he should be asked if the new translation are OK for pdf.
But, as I see it, I would not touch lib/layouttranslations in the fi part ATM.
There are still about 2600 untranslated/fuzzy messages in fi.po. Jari-Mati
seems to be willing to work on this if he finds some time.

Jari, what about the following in lib/layouttranslations?

-   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmien luettelo"
-   "List of Charts" "Kaavioiden luettelo"
-   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaajien luettelo"
-   "List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
-   "List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
+   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmit"
+   "List of Charts" "Kaaviot"
+   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kaaviot"
+   "List of Schemes" "Kuvaukset"
+   "List of Tableaux" "Taulut"qgit show

The following is wrong (according to Jari, maybe also wrong in fi.po)
-   "Listing" "Ohjelmalistaus"
+   "Listing" "Listaus"

Kornel

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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 06:05:40PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:
> Am Samstag, 10. Juni 2017 um 01:00:10, schrieb Yokota K. 
> > Hi Kornel,
> > 
> > The Japanese part seems good.
> > 
> > Koji
> 
> Thanks Koji. Now only the Chinese changes are not approved.

Thanks for taking care of this, Kornel. Did you generate the patch with
the following make target?

make layouttranslations1

When I do that on current master, I get the attached patch.

Scott
diff --git a/lib/layouttranslations b/lib/layouttranslations
index 7490a06..47a016d 100644
--- a/lib/layouttranslations
+++ b/lib/layouttranslations
@@ -439,12 +439,12 @@ Translation fi
"Fact" "Fakta"
"Graph[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaaja"
"Lemma" "Lemma"
-   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmien luettelo"
-   "List of Charts" "Kaavioiden luettelo"
-   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kuvaajien luettelo"
-   "List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
-   "List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
-   "Listing" "Ohjelmalistaus"
+   "List of Algorithms" "Algoritmit"
+   "List of Charts" "Kaaviot"
+   "List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "Kaaviot"
+   "List of Schemes" "Kuvaukset"
+   "List of Tableaux" "Taulut"
+   "Listing" "Listaus"
"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "Ohjelmalistaukset"
"Notation" "Merkintätapa"
"Note" "Muistiinpano"


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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Kornel Benko]

Am Samstag, 10. Juni 2017 um 01:00:10, schrieb Yokota K. 
> Hi Kornel,
> 
> The Japanese part seems good.
> 
> Koji

Thanks Koji. Now only the Chinese changes are not approved.

> 2017-06-09 1:11 GMT+09:00 Kornel Benko :
> 
> > Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 um 02:34:46, schrieb Pavel Sanda <
> > sa...@lyx.org>
> > > Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > > commit 6a4a88e98afbb9555f502d6aebef1f0ae84cff31
> > > > Author: Kornel Benko 
> > > > Date:   Wed Jun 7 18:27:32 2017 +0200
> > > >
> > > > Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po
> > >
> > > I guess you should make the translators aware of these changes
> > > (if they were aware that those changes will be changed in pdf output).
> >
> > Yes, I will.
> >
> > Dear Translators, could you please check that the changes in
> > lib/layouttranslations
> > are correct in respect to pdf-output?
> >

Kornel

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Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Yokota K.]

Hi Kornel,

The Japanese part seems good.

Koji

2017-06-09 1:11 GMT+09:00 Kornel Benko :

> Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 um 02:34:46, schrieb Pavel Sanda <
> sa...@lyx.org>
> > Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > commit 6a4a88e98afbb9555f502d6aebef1f0ae84cff31
> > > Author: Kornel Benko 
> > > Date:   Wed Jun 7 18:27:32 2017 +0200
> > >
> > > Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po
> >
> > I guess you should make the translators aware of these changes
> > (if they were aware that those changes will be changed in pdf output).
>
> Yes, I will.
>
> Dear Translators, could you please check that the changes in
> lib/layouttranslations
> are correct in respect to pdf-output?
>
> Kornel
>
>

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Kornel Benko]

Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 um 02:34:46, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> Kornel Benko wrote:
> > commit 6a4a88e98afbb9555f502d6aebef1f0ae84cff31
> > Author: Kornel Benko 
> > Date:   Wed Jun 7 18:27:32 2017 +0200
> >
> > Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po
>
> I guess you should make the translators aware of these changes
> (if they were aware that those changes will be changed in pdf output).

Yes, I will.

Dear Translators, could you please check that the changes in 
lib/layouttranslations
are correct in respect to pdf-output?

Kornel



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commit 6a4a88e98afbb9555f502d6aebef1f0ae84cff31
Author: Kornel Benko 
Date:   Wed Jun 7 18:27:32 2017 +0200

Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

diff --git a/lib/layouttranslations b/lib/layouttranslations
index ccaa31e..8694764 100644
--- a/lib/layouttranslations
+++ b/lib/layouttranslations
@@ -445,7 +445,7 @@ Translation fi
 	"List of Schemes" "Kuvausten luettelo"
 	"List of Tableaux" "Taulujen luettelo"
 	"Listing" "Listaus"
-	"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "Ohjelmalistausten luettelo"
+	"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "Listaukset"
 	"Notation" "Merkintätapa"
 	"Note" "Muistiinpano"
 	"Problem" "Ongelma"
@@ -775,7 +775,7 @@ Translation ja
 	"Listing" "プログラムリスト"
 	"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "プログラムリスト"
 	"Notation" "記法"
-	"Note" "注釈"
+	"Note" "註釈"
 	"Problem" "問題"
 	"Proof" "証明"
 	"Property" "性質"
@@ -1428,7 +1428,7 @@ Translation zh_CN
 	"List of Graphs[[mathematical]]" "图形列表"
 	"List of Schemes" "方案列表"
 	"List of Tableaux" "场景列表"
-	"Listing" "列表"
+	"Listing" "程序列表"
 	"Listings[[List of Listings]]" "列表列表"
 	"Notation" "记号"
 	"Note" "备忘"

Re: [LyX/master] Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

[Pavel Sanda]

Kornel Benko wrote:
> commit 6a4a88e98afbb9555f502d6aebef1f0ae84cff31
> Author: Kornel Benko 
> Date:   Wed Jun 7 18:27:32 2017 +0200
> 
> Overtake layout translations from fi.po, ja.po, zh_CN.po

I guess you should make the translators aware of these changes
(if they were aware that those changes will be changed in pdf output).

Pavel