Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
  Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
  point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
  take
  care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
  braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy
  OOo camper. Which I am not.
 
 Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
 comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
 ... as an option would be an enhancement.

What we could do is implement some extended paste option that runs a converter 
(HTML-LaTeX-LyX in that case). In the same vein, LyX could import LaTeX 
snippets on the fly.

But this should not _replace_ the current paste functionality, but rather 
complement it.

Jürgen

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

  Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
  comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
  ... as an option would be an enhancement.

 What we could do is implement some extended paste option that runs a
 converter
 (HTML-LaTeX-LyX in that case). In the same vein, LyX could import LaTeX
 snippets on the fly.

 But this should not _replace_ the current paste functionality, but rather
 complement it.


I agree, this could be the way to go. There could be 'paste plain' and
'paste formatted' options.
I think this is harder than it seems. Very few notetakers do this. An zero
do this consistently. On linux, none.

I use lyx for journal articles, and notetaking. On linux, it offers a better
notetaking solution than any other tool (before I was using keepnote). This
is telling: a tool that was not intended as a notetaker beats all the
specialized ones. On win, onenote does everything I need, but I wanted to
not have vendor lock-in and a plain text format. So lyx does this for me.
This is why pasting snippets from the web is important. And outputting html
trough the clipboard (something that we can sorta do with lyxblogger, but it
misses images) is damn important for me too.

One big disadvantage of using lyx is that it's hard to collaborate. Even
though the 'track changes' option is superior to anything plain latex can
offer, I still get comments on pdf edits... or worse, handwritten notes and
scanned as pdf again. this sets me back dozens of hours. I've never been
able to convince anyone to use lyx. Word users, even when show were to click
to track changes and insert notes, still edit the pdf. And you do have to
muck around with styles, layouts etc. You need to know some latex. Never
converted anyone.

For latex users, I convert to latex to get their comments. This has the
nasty property that the latest version, with all corrections, is latex, not
lyx.

All in all, I'm torn. I'm not sure I can ever circunvent the disadvantages,
and the advantages are not that great. Even though I'm a linux person, I
admit that using office well can get you close to what you want in terms of
writing structured docs. I just don't like the vendor lock-in... or having
to run windows to write papers :)


 Jürgen

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Julio Rojas]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
 spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
 thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
 misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
 replacement word}

Sorry to tell you, but this feature has been already included in 2.0.
Nontheless, as I have said, it is a feature prominently directed to
non native English speakers, as we tend to make considerably more
spelling mistakes. Don't worry, you can deactivate it.

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

 In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
document.

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

btw, a chrome extension that does the copy url thing...
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bijpdibkloghppkbmhcklkogpjaenfkg
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net
 wrote:
  Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
  spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
  thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
  misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
  replacement word}

 Sorry to tell you, but this feature has been already included in 2.0.
 Nontheless, as I have said, it is a feature prominently directed to
 non native English speakers, as we tend to make considerably more
 spelling mistakes. Don't worry, you can deactivate it.

  ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
  using it. :D
 
  In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

 Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
 on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
 finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
 wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
 directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
 document.

Re: LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-23, Jack Desert wrote:
 LyxBlogger 0.31 is released. 
...
 New Features in LyxBlogger 0.31:
...

Nice. I recommend adding a page/hint on http://wiki.lyx.org.

Thanks a lot,

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Walter van Holst]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:15:08 +0100, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
 on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
 finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
 wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
 directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
 document.

I would love to have a layout editor in LyX. There is still lots of
untapped potential for LyX. I'm a legal professional and none in that
profession doesn't have a visceral hate for Word's abilities to destroy a
contract's structure.

Regards,

 Walter

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
 On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Let me try to motivate this feature.
 1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.

NO:

 And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
 example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

 Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
 list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
 exceptions.

This gets even more and more complicated if you want to do this for
all languages LyX supports.

 2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
 your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
 results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.

LyX 2.0 will come with regexp-search.

 3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
 Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.

However, there is a big difference whether you need to press
Alt-something or Shift-letter, as the latter is in a suitable place
(from the old typewriter days). 

Besides: in German, wherea all Nouns are capitalized, the Saving
would be about ten Percent maximum.

 say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
 would be good.,
...

 As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
 harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
 styled by CSS. Then what do you do?

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses really good markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styled div and span soups.

With native HTML export, native HTML import seems like a logical
extension.

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

 It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout
 editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either
 pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm not
 much of a Qt type of guy).

It would be a useful feature to have and something that I've looked
for in the TeX/LaTeX environment for decades. Simple word processors
achieve it by allowing documents to be created as templates. So it is
a real shame that TeX has never had anything equivalent other than
trial and error.

 I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and
 character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...

Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?

 Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are so
 much simpler than LaTeX.

And doesn't Scribus (as a DTP package using XML) have a layout editor.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: Odd Notation Typesetting

[TheOldFellow]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, TheOldFellow wrote:
 
  I want to typeset some psalms with an odd 'pointing'.  Pointing is a
  system of marks placed above the words to indicate how the chanter changes
  pitch.  If you imagine the TeX /nearrow glyph and change the arrow head to
  a degree symbol you'll get the idea.  There are other marks too.  I can't
  change the notation, it's traditional.
 
Have you looked at The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List? I can send the pdf
 to you off the list if you cannot find it.
 
 Rich
 


Thanks Rich,  That's a great help - Google found it easy.  There is just
so much documentation it's hard to find the right place to start.
I'll see if I can use this.

R.

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Rainer M Krug]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
 wrote:
  On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
  The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
  would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 
  It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout
  editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either
  pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm
 not
  much of a Qt type of guy).

 It would be a useful feature to have and something that I've looked
 for in the TeX/LaTeX environment for decades. Simple word processors
 achieve it by allowing documents to be created as templates. So it is
 a real shame that TeX has never had anything equivalent other than
 trial and error.

  I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments
 and
  character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...

 Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
 separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?

  Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are
 so
  much simpler than LaTeX.

 And doesn't Scribus (as a DTP package using XML) have a layout editor.


I agree that there are MANY different options for formating, but couldn't
one start with a basic layout editors, which only include a subset of the
formating options, namely the ones which are mainly used for paragraph
styles? In this case, one might be able to limit the number of formating
options to e.g. 10, and if further fine-tuning is necessaary, it needs to be
done by hand (in a kind of ert box in LyX) in the editor. Together with a
display on how the format would look, that would be brilliant.

Rainer



 Regards, Trevor.

  Re: deemed!




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Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 10:52 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

   

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

   
I would recommend learning about layouts, as that is where the real 
power of LyX lies.

The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.
 

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something.

   
It will do this if you turn on continuous spell-checking. It won't if 
you don't.



{or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word}

   

It will not do this.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 05:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
   


As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?
 

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses really good markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styleddiv  andspan  soups.

   
The difficulty is that HTML is very limited in what it is capable of 
marking, for the simple reason that there aren't very many tags. LyX 
character styles, for example, would almost uniformly correspond to 
span, except for the handful of obvious exceptions. That, it seems to 
me, is why use div and span for everything has become almost the norm. 
See e.g. elyxer's HTML output. LyX's is more flexible, because it is 
specifiable in the layout. But the problem remains.


Richard

Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

I have a beamer presentation in Lyx 1.6.4 on Ubuntu 9.10.

I print it out as a presentation, an article (to hand out) and as a 
handout (which I use as my personal lecture notes).


I have updated the presentation with two new frames, and although they 
are appearing in the presentation and the article, they are not 
appearing in the handout.


Edits to exsiting frames are updating fine.

Anyone any idea on what might be happening here


The preamble for the handout is

%next five  lines needed to print two to a page handout. Comment out for 
presentation

\usepackage{pgfpages}
\pgfpagesuselayout{2 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]
\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}
\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]
\setbeameroption{show only notes}

Thanks,

Graham

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 3/23/2010 9:48 AM, Graham Smith wrote:


\setbeameroption{show only notes}



Try commenting this out.  According to the user manual, If you specify 
this command, the .aux and .toc files are not updated. So, if you add a 
section and reTEX your presentation, this will not be reflected in the 
navigation bars ...  I don't know if that would affect the handouts, 
but it's worth investigating. This option is intended to suppress the 
printing of frames and print only the attached notes.  I take it that's 
not happening, which confuses me.  (Then again, I'm only halfway through 
my first cup of coffee, so I'm easily confused at the moment.)


/Paul

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run 
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters 
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it 
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those 
characters. 

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I 
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document 
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering 
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very 
time consuming and frustrating. 

My solution now is to check after each new reference whether the pdf export is  
allright. That is cumbersome, but still faster than hunting for the offending 
characters after entering a big bunch of references.

It would be interesting to know, what kind of problems other people of this 
list do/did experience while working with lyx.

Wolfgang

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

To reply to myself, the answer is in the preamble, but didn't realise it

Only the slides that contain a noteitem environment are printed out. 
All my other slides had this,but I hadn't added it to the two new slides.


Graham



The preamble for the handout is

%next five  lines needed to print two to a page handout. Comment out for 
presentation

\usepackage{pgfpages}
\pgfpagesuselayout{2 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]
\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}
\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]
\setbeameroption{show only notes}

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
time consuming and frustrating.

   
I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have 
an option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert 
illegal characters to LaTeX equivalents.


rh

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

Paul

I don't know if that would affect the handouts, 
but it's worth investigating. This option is intended to suppress the 
printing of frames and print only the attached notes.  I take it that's 
not happening, which confuses me.  (Then again, I'm only halfway through 
my first cup of coffee, so I'm easily confused at the moment.)


As my other post says this certainly seems to be the root of the 
problem.  The problem is that as I don't know what I'm doing code in the 
preamble evolves as people advise additions and omissions to resolve 
particular problems - eventually I forget how and why it all works.


What is printed out from that preamble is a small strip along the top of 
the page that includes an outline of where you are in the presentation 
and a thumbnail of the slide. The rest of the page is devoted to notes.


Thanks.

Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

btw, to those jabref users eyeing zotero for the fast ref capture who would
not use it because you had to export to bib first... the new FF addon LyZ
makes this on the fly. It's a killer feature, two clicks and you are done.
And your lib is on the cloud for free...
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

 Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not
 run
 through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some
 characters
 which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
 would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
 characters.

 I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
 enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx
 document
 is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
 reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
 time consuming and frustrating.



 I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have an
 option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert illegal
 characters to LaTeX equivalents.

 rh

references to labels on starred sections

[Ehud Kaplan]

If I want to refer to a label attached to a starred section (or 
subsection, etc.), how do I do it?

The pdf output comes out blank.
Thanks,
EK

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout 
 editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either 

note that we did some specification already - year or two ago, just the coder
was not found ;) look on the archive if you want some inspiration.

pavel

Re: LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Jack Desert]

 Nice. I recommend adding a page/hint on http://wiki.lyx.org.

That's a good idea. I put together a wiki page for it at
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/LyxBlogger. Is a hint something else I
should set up there?

-Jack

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Author and Spokesman: www.LetsEATalready.com
Software Developer:   http://GrooveTask.org
Email: jwo...@gmail.com
~~~

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
  Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
  point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
  take
  care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
  braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy
  OOo camper. Which I am not.
 
 Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
 comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
 ... as an option would be an enhancement.

What we could do is implement some extended paste option that runs a converter 
(HTML-LaTeX-LyX in that case). In the same vein, LyX could import LaTeX 
snippets on the fly.

But this should not _replace_ the current paste functionality, but rather 
complement it.

Jürgen

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

  Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
  comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
  ... as an option would be an enhancement.

 What we could do is implement some extended paste option that runs a
 converter
 (HTML-LaTeX-LyX in that case). In the same vein, LyX could import LaTeX
 snippets on the fly.

 But this should not _replace_ the current paste functionality, but rather
 complement it.


I agree, this could be the way to go. There could be 'paste plain' and
'paste formatted' options.
I think this is harder than it seems. Very few notetakers do this. An zero
do this consistently. On linux, none.

I use lyx for journal articles, and notetaking. On linux, it offers a better
notetaking solution than any other tool (before I was using keepnote). This
is telling: a tool that was not intended as a notetaker beats all the
specialized ones. On win, onenote does everything I need, but I wanted to
not have vendor lock-in and a plain text format. So lyx does this for me.
This is why pasting snippets from the web is important. And outputting html
trough the clipboard (something that we can sorta do with lyxblogger, but it
misses images) is damn important for me too.

One big disadvantage of using lyx is that it's hard to collaborate. Even
though the 'track changes' option is superior to anything plain latex can
offer, I still get comments on pdf edits... or worse, handwritten notes and
scanned as pdf again. this sets me back dozens of hours. I've never been
able to convince anyone to use lyx. Word users, even when show were to click
to track changes and insert notes, still edit the pdf. And you do have to
muck around with styles, layouts etc. You need to know some latex. Never
converted anyone.

For latex users, I convert to latex to get their comments. This has the
nasty property that the latest version, with all corrections, is latex, not
lyx.

All in all, I'm torn. I'm not sure I can ever circunvent the disadvantages,
and the advantages are not that great. Even though I'm a linux person, I
admit that using office well can get you close to what you want in terms of
writing structured docs. I just don't like the vendor lock-in... or having
to run windows to write papers :)


 Jürgen

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Julio Rojas]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net wrote:
 Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
 spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
 thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
 misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
 replacement word}

Sorry to tell you, but this feature has been already included in 2.0.
Nontheless, as I have said, it is a feature prominently directed to
non native English speakers, as we tend to make considerably more
spelling mistakes. Don't worry, you can deactivate it.

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

 In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
document.

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

btw, a chrome extension that does the copy url thing...
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bijpdibkloghppkbmhcklkogpjaenfkg
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook jtw...@ttlc.net
 wrote:
  Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
  spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
  thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
  misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
  replacement word}

 Sorry to tell you, but this feature has been already included in 2.0.
 Nontheless, as I have said, it is a feature prominently directed to
 non native English speakers, as we tend to make considerably more
 spelling mistakes. Don't worry, you can deactivate it.

  ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
  using it. :D
 
  In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

 Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
 on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
 finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
 wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
 directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
 document.

Re: LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-23, Jack Desert wrote:
 LyxBlogger 0.31 is released. 
...
 New Features in LyxBlogger 0.31:
...

Nice. I recommend adding a page/hint on http://wiki.lyx.org.

Thanks a lot,

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Walter van Holst]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:15:08 +0100, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
 on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
 finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
 wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
 directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
 document.

I would love to have a layout editor in LyX. There is still lots of
untapped potential for LyX. I'm a legal professional and none in that
profession doesn't have a visceral hate for Word's abilities to destroy a
contract's structure.

Regards,

 Walter

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
 On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Let me try to motivate this feature.
 1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.

NO:

 And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
 example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

 Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
 list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
 exceptions.

This gets even more and more complicated if you want to do this for
all languages LyX supports.

 2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
 your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
 results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.

LyX 2.0 will come with regexp-search.

 3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
 Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.

However, there is a big difference whether you need to press
Alt-something or Shift-letter, as the latter is in a suitable place
(from the old typewriter days). 

Besides: in German, wherea all Nouns are capitalized, the Saving
would be about ten Percent maximum.

 say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
 would be good.,
...

 As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
 harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
 styled by CSS. Then what do you do?

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses really good markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styled div and span soups.

With native HTML export, native HTML import seems like a logical
extension.

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

 It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout
 editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either
 pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm not
 much of a Qt type of guy).

It would be a useful feature to have and something that I've looked
for in the TeX/LaTeX environment for decades. Simple word processors
achieve it by allowing documents to be created as templates. So it is
a real shame that TeX has never had anything equivalent other than
trial and error.

 I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and
 character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...

Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?

 Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are so
 much simpler than LaTeX.

And doesn't Scribus (as a DTP package using XML) have a layout editor.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: Odd Notation Typesetting

[TheOldFellow]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, TheOldFellow wrote:
 
  I want to typeset some psalms with an odd 'pointing'.  Pointing is a
  system of marks placed above the words to indicate how the chanter changes
  pitch.  If you imagine the TeX /nearrow glyph and change the arrow head to
  a degree symbol you'll get the idea.  There are other marks too.  I can't
  change the notation, it's traditional.
 
Have you looked at The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List? I can send the pdf
 to you off the list if you cannot find it.
 
 Rich
 


Thanks Rich,  That's a great help - Google found it easy.  There is just
so much documentation it's hard to find the right place to start.
I'll see if I can use this.

R.

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Rainer M Krug]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
 wrote:
  On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
  The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
  would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 
  It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout
  editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either
  pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm
 not
  much of a Qt type of guy).

 It would be a useful feature to have and something that I've looked
 for in the TeX/LaTeX environment for decades. Simple word processors
 achieve it by allowing documents to be created as templates. So it is
 a real shame that TeX has never had anything equivalent other than
 trial and error.

  I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments
 and
  character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...

 Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
 separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?

  Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are
 so
  much simpler than LaTeX.

 And doesn't Scribus (as a DTP package using XML) have a layout editor.


I agree that there are MANY different options for formating, but couldn't
one start with a basic layout editors, which only include a subset of the
formating options, namely the ones which are mainly used for paragraph
styles? In this case, one might be able to limit the number of formating
options to e.g. 10, and if further fine-tuning is necessaary, it needs to be
done by hand (in a kind of ert box in LyX) in the editor. Together with a
display on how the format would look, that would be brilliant.

Rainer



 Regards, Trevor.

  Re: deemed!




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Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 10:52 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

   

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

   
I would recommend learning about layouts, as that is where the real 
power of LyX lies.

The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.
 

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something.

   
It will do this if you turn on continuous spell-checking. It won't if 
you don't.



{or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word}

   

It will not do this.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 05:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
   


As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?
 

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses really good markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styleddiv  andspan  soups.

   
The difficulty is that HTML is very limited in what it is capable of 
marking, for the simple reason that there aren't very many tags. LyX 
character styles, for example, would almost uniformly correspond to 
span, except for the handful of obvious exceptions. That, it seems to 
me, is why use div and span for everything has become almost the norm. 
See e.g. elyxer's HTML output. LyX's is more flexible, because it is 
specifiable in the layout. But the problem remains.


Richard

Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

I have a beamer presentation in Lyx 1.6.4 on Ubuntu 9.10.

I print it out as a presentation, an article (to hand out) and as a 
handout (which I use as my personal lecture notes).


I have updated the presentation with two new frames, and although they 
are appearing in the presentation and the article, they are not 
appearing in the handout.


Edits to exsiting frames are updating fine.

Anyone any idea on what might be happening here


The preamble for the handout is

%next five  lines needed to print two to a page handout. Comment out for 
presentation

\usepackage{pgfpages}
\pgfpagesuselayout{2 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]
\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}
\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]
\setbeameroption{show only notes}

Thanks,

Graham

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 3/23/2010 9:48 AM, Graham Smith wrote:


\setbeameroption{show only notes}



Try commenting this out.  According to the user manual, If you specify 
this command, the .aux and .toc files are not updated. So, if you add a 
section and reTEX your presentation, this will not be reflected in the 
navigation bars ...  I don't know if that would affect the handouts, 
but it's worth investigating. This option is intended to suppress the 
printing of frames and print only the attached notes.  I take it that's 
not happening, which confuses me.  (Then again, I'm only halfway through 
my first cup of coffee, so I'm easily confused at the moment.)


/Paul

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run 
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters 
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it 
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those 
characters. 

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I 
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document 
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering 
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very 
time consuming and frustrating. 

My solution now is to check after each new reference whether the pdf export is  
allright. That is cumbersome, but still faster than hunting for the offending 
characters after entering a big bunch of references.

It would be interesting to know, what kind of problems other people of this 
list do/did experience while working with lyx.

Wolfgang

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

To reply to myself, the answer is in the preamble, but didn't realise it

Only the slides that contain a noteitem environment are printed out. 
All my other slides had this,but I hadn't added it to the two new slides.


Graham



The preamble for the handout is

%next five  lines needed to print two to a page handout. Comment out for 
presentation

\usepackage{pgfpages}
\pgfpagesuselayout{2 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]
\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}
\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]
\setbeameroption{show only notes}

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
time consuming and frustrating.

   
I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have 
an option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert 
illegal characters to LaTeX equivalents.


rh

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

Paul

I don't know if that would affect the handouts, 
but it's worth investigating. This option is intended to suppress the 
printing of frames and print only the attached notes.  I take it that's 
not happening, which confuses me.  (Then again, I'm only halfway through 
my first cup of coffee, so I'm easily confused at the moment.)


As my other post says this certainly seems to be the root of the 
problem.  The problem is that as I don't know what I'm doing code in the 
preamble evolves as people advise additions and omissions to resolve 
particular problems - eventually I forget how and why it all works.


What is printed out from that preamble is a small strip along the top of 
the page that includes an outline of where you are in the presentation 
and a thumbnail of the slide. The rest of the page is devoted to notes.


Thanks.

Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

btw, to those jabref users eyeing zotero for the fast ref capture who would
not use it because you had to export to bib first... the new FF addon LyZ
makes this on the fly. It's a killer feature, two clicks and you are done.
And your lib is on the cloud for free...
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

 Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not
 run
 through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some
 characters
 which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
 would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
 characters.

 I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
 enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx
 document
 is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
 reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
 time consuming and frustrating.



 I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have an
 option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert illegal
 characters to LaTeX equivalents.

 rh

references to labels on starred sections

[Ehud Kaplan]

If I want to refer to a label attached to a starred section (or 
subsection, etc.), how do I do it?

The pdf output comes out blank.
Thanks,
EK

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout 
 editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either 

note that we did some specification already - year or two ago, just the coder
was not found ;) look on the archive if you want some inspiration.

pavel

Re: LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Jack Desert]

 Nice. I recommend adding a page/hint on http://wiki.lyx.org.

That's a good idea. I put together a wiki page for it at
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/LyxBlogger. Is a hint something else I
should set up there?

-Jack

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Author and Spokesman: www.LetsEATalready.com
Software Developer:   http://GrooveTask.org
Email: jwo...@gmail.com
~~~

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> > Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
> > point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
> > take
> > care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
> > braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy
> > OOo camper. Which I am not.
> 
> Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
> comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
> ... as an option would be an enhancement.

What we could do is implement some extended paste option that runs a converter 
(HTML->LaTeX->LyX in that case). In the same vein, LyX could import LaTeX 
snippets on the fly.

But this should not _replace_ the current paste functionality, but rather 
complement it.

Jürgen

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

>
> > Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
> > comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
> > ... as an option would be an enhancement.
>
> What we could do is implement some extended paste option that runs a
> converter
> (HTML->LaTeX->LyX in that case). In the same vein, LyX could import LaTeX
> snippets on the fly.
>
> But this should not _replace_ the current paste functionality, but rather
> complement it.
>
>
I agree, this could be the way to go. There could be 'paste plain' and
'paste formatted' options.
I think this is harder than it seems. Very few notetakers do this. An zero
do this consistently. On linux, none.

I use lyx for journal articles, and notetaking. On linux, it offers a better
notetaking solution than any other tool (before I was using keepnote). This
is telling: a tool that was not intended as a notetaker beats all the
specialized ones. On win, onenote does everything I need, but I wanted to
not have vendor lock-in and a plain text format. So lyx does this for me.
This is why pasting snippets from the web is important. And outputting html
trough the clipboard (something that we can sorta do with lyxblogger, but it
misses images) is damn important for me too.

One big disadvantage of using lyx is that it's hard to collaborate. Even
though the 'track changes' option is superior to anything plain latex can
offer, I still get comments on pdf edits... or worse, handwritten notes and
scanned as pdf again. this sets me back dozens of hours. I've never been
able to convince anyone to use lyx. Word users, even when show were to click
to track changes and insert notes, still edit the pdf. And you do have to
muck around with styles, layouts etc. You need to know some latex. Never
converted anyone.

For latex users, I convert to latex to get their comments. This has the
nasty property that the latest version, with all corrections, is latex, not
lyx.

All in all, I'm torn. I'm not sure I can ever circunvent the disadvantages,
and the advantages are not that great. Even though I'm a linux person, I
admit that using office well can get you close to what you want in terms of
writing structured docs. I just don't like the vendor lock-in... or having
to run windows to write papers :)


> Jürgen
>

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Julio Rojas]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook  wrote:
> Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
> spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
> thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
> misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
> replacement word}

Sorry to tell you, but this feature has been already included in 2.0.
Nontheless, as I have said, it is a feature prominently directed to
non native English speakers, as we tend to make considerably more
spelling mistakes. Don't worry, you can deactivate it.

>> ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
>> using it. :D
>
> In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
document.

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

btw, a chrome extension that does the copy url thing...
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bijpdibkloghppkbmhcklkogpjaenfkg
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Julio Rojas  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook 
> wrote:
> > Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
> > spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
> > thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
> > misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
> > replacement word}
>
> Sorry to tell you, but this feature has been already included in 2.0.
> Nontheless, as I have said, it is a feature prominently directed to
> non native English speakers, as we tend to make considerably more
> spelling mistakes. Don't worry, you can deactivate it.
>
> >> ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
> >> using it. :D
> >
> > In the long run, I think the joke's on them...
>
> Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
> on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
> finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
> wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
> directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
> document.
>

Re: LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-23, Jack Desert wrote:
> LyxBlogger 0.31 is released. 
...
> New Features in LyxBlogger 0.31:
...

Nice. I recommend adding a page/hint on http://wiki.lyx.org.

Thanks a lot,

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Walter van Holst]

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:15:08 +0100, Julio Rojas 
wrote:

> Yup, this is what I think, but when you have several coworkers working
> on collaborative papers in several different LaTeX classes, they
> finally have the last laugh. This is why a layout editor would do
> wonders to convert our main target, people that already uses LaTeX
> directly who wants to speed up their writing and track changes on the
> document.

I would love to have a layout editor in LyX. There is still lots of
untapped potential for LyX. I'm a legal professional and none in that
profession doesn't have a visceral hate for Word's abilities to destroy a
contract's structure.

Regards,

 Walter

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
> On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesada  wrote:

>>> Let me try to motivate this feature.
>>> 1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.

NO:

>> And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
>> example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

> Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
> list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
> exceptions.

This gets even more and more complicated if you want to do this for
all languages LyX supports.

>>> 2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
>>> your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
>>> results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.

LyX 2.0 will come with regexp-search.

>>> 3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
>>> Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.

However, there is a big difference whether you need to press
Alt-something or Shift-letter, as the latter is in a suitable place
(from the old typewriter days). 

Besides: in German, wherea all Nouns are capitalized, the Saving
would be about ten Percent maximum.

>>> say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
>>> would be good.,
...

> As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
> harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
> styled by CSS. Then what do you do?

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses "really good" markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styled  and  soups.

With native HTML export, native HTML import seems like a logical
extension.

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
>> The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
>> would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
>
> It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout
> editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either
> pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm not
> much of a Qt type of guy).

It would be a useful feature to have and something that I've looked
for in the TeX/LaTeX environment for decades. Simple word processors
achieve it by allowing documents to be created as templates. So it is
a real shame that TeX has never had anything equivalent other than
trial and error.

> I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and
> character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...

Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?

> Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are so
> much simpler than LaTeX.

And doesn't Scribus (as a DTP package using XML) have a layout editor.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: Odd Notation Typesetting

[TheOldFellow]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, TheOldFellow wrote:
> 
> > I want to typeset some psalms with an odd 'pointing'.  Pointing is a
> > system of marks placed above the words to indicate how the chanter changes
> > pitch.  If you imagine the TeX /nearrow glyph and change the arrow head to
> > a degree symbol you'll get the idea.  There are other marks too.  I can't
> > change the notation, it's traditional.
> 
>Have you looked at The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List? I can send the pdf
> to you off the list if you cannot find it.
> 
> Rich
> 


Thanks Rich,  That's a great help - Google found it easy.  There is just
so much documentation it's hard to find the right place to start.
I'll see if I can use this.

R.

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Rainer M Krug]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Steve Litt 
> wrote:
> > On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
> >> The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
> >> would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
> >
> > It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout
> > editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either
> > pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm
> not
> > much of a Qt type of guy).
>
> It would be a useful feature to have and something that I've looked
> for in the TeX/LaTeX environment for decades. Simple word processors
> achieve it by allowing documents to be created as templates. So it is
> a real shame that TeX has never had anything equivalent other than
> trial and error.
>
> > I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments
> and
> > character styles might be to start a public collection of them. ...
>
> Don't we already have that with the CTAN archive? Why create a
> separate LyX one when the LaTeX part of CTAN already exists?
>
> > Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are
> so
> > much simpler than LaTeX.
>
> And doesn't Scribus (as a DTP package using XML) have a layout editor.
>

I agree that there are MANY different options for formating, but couldn't
one start with a basic layout editors, which only include a subset of the
formating options, namely the ones which are mainly used for paragraph
styles? In this case, one might be able to limit the number of formating
options to e.g. 10, and if further fine-tuning is necessaary, it needs to be
done by hand (in a kind of ert box in LyX) in the editor. Together with a
display on how the format would look, that would be brilliant.

Rainer


>
> Regards, Trevor.
>
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Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 10:52 PM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

   

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.
 

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this "feature" ?

   
I would recommend learning about layouts, as that is where the real 
power of LyX lies.

The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.
 

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something.

   
It will do this if you turn on continuous spell-checking. It won't if 
you don't.



{or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word}

   

It will not do this.

rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 05:22 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, rgheck wrote:
   


As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?
 

Of course transform semantic markup to semantic markup.  This implies
that the website uses "really good" markup (text with HTML markup
indicating its logical structure), not CSS-styled  and  soups.

   
The difficulty is that HTML is very limited in what it is capable of 
marking, for the simple reason that there aren't very many tags. LyX 
character styles, for example, would almost uniformly correspond to 
"span", except for the handful of obvious exceptions. That, it seems to 
me, is why "use div and span for everything" has become almost the norm. 
See e.g. elyxer's HTML output. LyX's is more flexible, because it is 
specifiable in the layout. But the problem remains.


Richard

Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

I have a beamer presentation in Lyx 1.6.4 on Ubuntu 9.10.

I print it out as a presentation, an article (to hand out) and as a 
handout (which I use as my personal lecture notes).


I have updated the presentation with two new frames, and although they 
are appearing in the presentation and the article, they are not 
appearing in the handout.


Edits to exsiting frames are updating fine.

Anyone any idea on what might be happening here


The preamble for the handout is

%next five  lines needed to print two to a page handout. Comment out for 
presentation

\usepackage{pgfpages}
\pgfpagesuselayout{2 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]
\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}
\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]
\setbeameroption{show only notes}

Thanks,

Graham

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 3/23/2010 9:48 AM, Graham Smith wrote:


\setbeameroption{show only notes}



Try commenting this out.  According to the user manual, "If you specify 
this command, the .aux and .toc files are not updated. So, if you add a 
section and reTEX your presentation, this will not be reflected in the 
navigation bars ..."  I don't know if that would affect the handouts, 
but it's worth investigating. This option is intended to suppress the 
printing of frames and print only the attached notes.  I take it that's 
not happening, which confuses me.  (Then again, I'm only halfway through 
my first cup of coffee, so I'm easily confused at the moment.)


/Paul

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run 
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters 
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it 
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those 
characters. 

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I 
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document 
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering 
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very 
time consuming and frustrating. 

My solution now is to check after each new reference whether the pdf export is  
allright. That is cumbersome, but still faster than hunting for the offending 
characters after entering a big bunch of references.

It would be interesting to know, what kind of problems other people of this 
list do/did experience while working with lyx.

Wolfgang

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

To reply to myself, the answer is in the preamble, but didn't realise it

Only the slides that contain a noteitem environment are printed out. 
All my other slides had this,but I hadn't added it to the two new slides.


Graham



The preamble for the handout is

%next five  lines needed to print two to a page handout. Comment out for 
presentation

\usepackage{pgfpages}
\pgfpagesuselayout{2 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]
\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}
\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]
\setbeameroption{show only notes}

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not run
through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some characters
which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
characters.

I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx document
is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
time consuming and frustrating.

   
I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have 
an option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert 
illegal characters to LaTeX equivalents.


rh

Re: Frames added to existing presentation not appearing in Beamer handout

[Graham Smith]

Paul

I don't know if that would affect the handouts, 
but it's worth investigating. This option is intended to suppress the 
printing of frames and print only the attached notes.  I take it that's 
not happening, which confuses me.  (Then again, I'm only halfway through 
my first cup of coffee, so I'm easily confused at the moment.)


As my other post says this certainly seems to be the root of the 
problem.  The problem is that as I don't know what I'm doing code in the 
preamble evolves as people advise additions and omissions to resolve 
particular problems - eventually I forget how and why it all works.


What is printed out from that preamble is a small strip along the top of 
the page that includes an outline of where you are in the presentation 
and a thumbnail of the slide. The rest of the page is devoted to notes.


Thanks.

Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

btw, to those jabref users eyeing zotero for the fast ref capture who would
not use it because you had to export to bib first... the new FF addon LyZ
makes this on the fly. It's a killer feature, two clicks and you are done.
And your lib is on the cloud for free...
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, rgheck  wrote:

> On 03/23/2010 09:43 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
>
>> Considering the amount of time I had to spend in documents which did not
>> run
>> through LyX smoothly it had to do with references containing some
>> characters
>> which bothered the program. I realize that this is not Lyx's fault, but it
>> would be nice to have a feature (or an external prg) checking for those
>> characters.
>>
>> I am often searching in a data bank such as medline for references which I
>> enter into Jabref, my reference manager. Exporting it into the lyx
>> document
>> is easy, just a click on the lyx icon in Jabref, but finding the bothering
>> reference(s) after trying to export the pdf file is in my hands often very
>> time consuming and frustrating.
>>
>>
>>
> I'd suggest reporting this to the JabRef folks. Perhaps they should have an
> option to save in something other than UTF-8, and even to convert illegal
> characters to LaTeX equivalents.
>
> rh
>
>

references to labels on starred sections

[Ehud Kaplan]

If I want to refer to a label attached to a starred section (or 
subsection, etc.), how do I do it?

The pdf output comes out blank.
Thanks,
EK

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
> It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout 
> editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either 

note that we did some specification already - year or two ago, just the coder
was not found ;) look on the archive if you want some inspiration.

pavel

Re: LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Jack Desert]

> Nice. I recommend adding a page/hint on http://wiki.lyx.org.

That's a good idea. I put together a wiki page for it at
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/LyxBlogger. Is a "hint" something else I
should set up there?

-Jack

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