Last word-- Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
I finally figured it
out-- the bizarre behavior described in the last message is due
to my using (the default on MX Linux) pdf viewer Qpdfview.  When
I use Evince all works as it should.  Live and learn.
Ehud Kaplan

  
On 10/6/22 11:43 AM, UD K wrote:


  
  
  I have made some
  progress in being able to play a movie from the pdf output of
  a Lyx/Beamer presentation.  It turns out that it DOES work if
  I insert a hyperlink pointing to the movie file on my
  computer, but this miracle happens ONLY if I am NOT in
  full-screen (presentation) mode.  In presentation mode
  (stupidly, I usually run presentations in presentation  mode..
  ;-) nothing happens when I click on the link in the pdf file. 
  If I take it out of presentation mode (hit escape), the link
  has a frame around it, and that frame must bring it back to
  life, and makes it clickable.  Who knew? 
  
  Ehud Kaplan
  

  On 10/4/22 1:03 PM, Murat Yildizoglu
wrote:
  
  

One idea Ehud,
Given what you signal, does your LateX
  installation include the package hyperref? Maybe LyX cannot
  find it and hence does not propose this option.
Because your Lyx version is recent enough to have
  this option normally.
  

  On 4 October 2022, at 17:59, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  

Hi Murat,
I do believe that SOME people have it working, but,
as you can see from my response to Udi today, this
exercise has uncovered some problems with my Lyx
installation.  When I have more time, I shall scrub
and re-install it, unless I find out before what is
failing/missing.
Thanks for your help--
Ehud Kaplan 
  
On 10/4/22 12:50 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

Hello again Ehud,
  Here is a screen capture video of what I
have under OS X.
  
  
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8r8jacyej5213i/Lyx-Hyperlink.gif?dl=0
  

  
On 4 October 2022, at 17:36, UD K
  <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
  wrote:

Hi Murat,
  I think you are on the right track.  I do
  want the active link to be in the pdf
  output of the Lyx file, not in the Lyx
  file itself.  So I clicked:
  Insert/Hyperlink in the main Lyx menu. 
  However, when I go to the
  Document/Settings/Pdf properties I find no
  "Use Hyperref
  support" there.  When I select: Use Class Defaults the
  link appears colored in the pdf output,
  but it is just as dead and useless. So I
  feel that some progress has been made, but
  not enough to do what I am trying to do.
  Thanks,
  Ehud Kaplan
  
  

  On 10/4/22 11:30 AM,
Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
  
  And for the link to
be active in the compiled PDF documents, I
think you need to check “Use Hyperref
support" in the PDF panel of document
properties.

  
On 4 October 2022, at
  16:28, Murat Yildizoglu <myi...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Dear Ehud,
Maybe I have not
  understood your request. 
Inserting a hyperlink
  will create an active link in the
  compiled PDF document and not in
  the document in LyX. Maybe you are
  

Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
I have made some progress
in being able to play a movie from the pdf output of a
Lyx/Beamer presentation.  It turns out that it DOES work if I
insert a hyperlink pointing to the movie file on my computer,
but this miracle happens ONLY if I am NOT in full-screen
(presentation) mode.  In presentation mode (stupidly, I usually
run presentations in presentation  mode.. ;-) nothing happens
when I click on the link in the pdf file.  If I take it out of
presentation mode (hit escape), the link has a frame around it,
and that frame must bring it back to life, and makes it
clickable.  Who knew? 

Ehud Kaplan

  
On 10/4/22 1:03 PM, Murat Yildizoglu
  wrote:


  
  One idea Ehud,
  Given what you signal, does your LateX installation
include the package hyperref? Maybe LyX cannot find it and hence
does not propose this option.
  Because your Lyx version is recent enough to have
this option normally.

  
On 4 October 2022, at 17:59, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  
  Hi
  Murat,
  I do believe that SOME people have it working, but, as
  you can see from my response to Udi today, this
  exercise has uncovered some problems with my Lyx
  installation.  When I have more time, I shall scrub
  and re-install it, unless I find out before what is
  failing/missing.
  Thanks for your help--
  Ehud Kaplan 

  On 10/4/22 12:50 PM, Murat
Yildizoglu wrote:
  
  Hello again Ehud,
Here is a screen capture video of what I
  have under OS X.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8r8jacyej5213i/Lyx-Hyperlink.gif?dl=0

  

  On 4 October 2022, at 17:36, UD K
<ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  Hi Murat,
I think you are on the right track.  I do
want the active link to be in the pdf output
of the Lyx file, not in the Lyx file
itself.  So I clicked: Insert/Hyperlink in
the main Lyx menu.  However, when I go to
the Document/Settings/Pdf properties I find
no "Use Hyperref
support" there.  When I select: Use Class Defaults the
link appears colored in the pdf output, but
it is just as dead and useless. So I feel
that some progress has been made, but not
enough to do what I am trying to do.
Thanks,
Ehud Kaplan


  
On 10/4/22 11:30
  AM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

And for the link to be
  active in the compiled PDF documents, I think
  you need to check “Use Hyperref support" in
  the PDF panel of document properties.
  

  On 4 October 2022, at 16:28,
Murat Yildizoglu <myi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  
Dear
  Ehud,
  Maybe I have not
understood your request. 
  Inserting a hyperlink
will create an active link in the
compiled PDF document and not in the
document in LyX. Maybe you are
looking for the second option. Then
I do not know if it is possible.

  
On 4 October 2022,
          at 15:23, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
  wrote:

That
  

Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
Hi Murat,
I do believe that SOME people have it working, but, as you can
see from my response to Udi today, this exercise has uncovered
some problems with my Lyx installation.  When I have more time,
I shall scrub and re-install it, unless I find out before what
is failing/missing.
Thanks for your help--
Ehud Kaplan 
  
On 10/4/22 12:50 PM, Murat Yildizoglu
  wrote:


  
  Hello again Ehud,
  Here is a screen capture video of what I have under
OS X.
  
  
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8r8jacyej5213i/Lyx-Hyperlink.gif?dl=0
  

  
On 4 October 2022, at 17:36, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  
  Hi
  Murat,
  I think you are on the right track.  I do want the
  active link to be in the pdf output of the Lyx file,
  not in the Lyx file itself.  So I clicked:
  Insert/Hyperlink in the main Lyx menu.  However, when
  I go to the Document/Settings/Pdf properties I find no
  "Use Hyperref support"
  there.  When I select: Use
Class Defaults the link
  appears colored in the pdf output, but it is just as
  dead and useless. So I feel that some progress has
  been made, but not enough to do what I am trying to
  do.
  Thanks,
  Ehud Kaplan
  
  

  On 10/4/22 11:30 AM, Murat
Yildizoglu wrote:
  
  And for the link to be active in the compiled
PDF documents, I think you need to check “Use Hyperref
support" in the PDF panel of document properties.

  
On 4 October 2022, at 16:28, Murat
  Yildizoglu <myi...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Dear Ehud,
Maybe I have not understood your
  request. 
Inserting a hyperlink will create
  an active link in the compiled PDF document
  and not in the document in LyX. Maybe you are
  looking for the second option. Then I do not
  know if it is possible.
  

  On 4 October 2022, at 15:23,
        UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  That
did not work either.. ;-(

On 10/3/22
  1:16 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:


  

  On 3 October 2022,
        at 16:54, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  I tried
to insert a url into a
lyx/beamer document. I
naively thought that all I
had to do was click:
Insert/url with the cursor
at the frame where I waned
the url to appear and be
clickable.  Unfortunately,
all I got was the text of
the url, and clicking on it
did nothing.  
   For
some reason I am convinced
that Lyx CAN do that,
but it failed in my
hands.  What am I doing
wrong here?
Thanks,
Ehud Kaplan

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Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
This little exercise has
uncovered some bad things.  The Examples folder, as well
as several other folders under .lyx, was empty.  I don't know
whether anything crucial is also missing, which could account
for the failure.  When I tried to re-install Lyx, I got several
errors. I am doing this under MX Linux 21, and the Lyx version
they provide is 2.3.6-1.  I am reluctant to un-install and
re-install, because I need this to work for the next few days. 
   Thanks,
Udi
  
On 10/4/22 11:00 AM, Udicoudco wrote:


  On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 11:38 AM UD K  wrote:

  

Shalom Udi,
Without reading the manual, which provides only minimal instructions about inserting a url, I did exactly what the manual recommends, and it did not work, which is why I bothered the community with my request for help.  I still do not know how to insert a functioning, clickable url into a lyx/beamer presentation.
Yours,
Udi

  
  
Hi Udi,

There should be an example file for the beamer class in the examples
directory called beamer.lyx, in its appendix there is a url, are you
able to compile this file without any errors?

If so, can you provide a minimal file that demonstrates your error?

Regards,
Udi


  
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 Charles University, Prague
 & 
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 Czechia
-Formerly:
 Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
 Director, Center of Excellence for Computational & System Neuroscience,
 The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
 Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
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Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
Hi Murat,
I think you are on the right track.  I do want the active link
to be in the pdf output of the Lyx file, not in the Lyx file
itself.  So I clicked: Insert/Hyperlink in the main Lyx menu. 
However, when I go to the Document/Settings/Pdf properties I
find no "Use Hyperref support" there.  When I select: Use Class
  Defaults the link appears colored in the pdf output, but
it is just as dead and useless. So I feel that some progress has
been made, but not enough to do what I am trying to do.
Thanks,
Ehud Kaplan


  
On 10/4/22 11:30 AM, Murat Yildizoglu
  wrote:


  
  And for the link to be active in the compiled PDF documents, I
  think you need to check “Use Hyperref support" in the PDF panel of
  document properties.
  

  On 4 October 2022, at 16:28, Murat Yildizoglu
<myi...@gmail.com> wrote:
  
  

Dear Ehud,
  Maybe I have not understood your request. 
  Inserting a hyperlink will create an active
link in the compiled PDF document and not in the
document in LyX. Maybe you are looking for the second
option. Then I do not know if it is possible.

  
On 4 October 2022, at 15:23, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  
  That did not work
  either.. ;-(
  
  On 10/3/22 1:16 PM,
Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
  
  

  
On 3 October 2022, at 16:54,
          UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
  wrote:

I tried
  to insert a url into a
  lyx/beamer document. I naively thought
  that all I had to do was click:
  Insert/url with the cursor at the
  frame where I waned the url to appear
  and be clickable.  Unfortunately, all
  I got was the text of the url, and
  clicking on it did nothing.  
     For
  some reason I am
  convinced that Lyx CAN do that,
  but it failed in my hands.  What
  am I doing wrong here?
  Thanks,
  Ehud Kaplan
  
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Dear Ehud,
I think that what you are looking
  for is Insert Hyperlink.
Best,
Murat


  

  

  

  

  

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Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
Shalom Udi,
Without reading the manual, which provides only minimal
instructions about inserting a url, I did exactly what the
manual recommends, and it did not work, which is why I bothered
the community with my request for help.  I still do not know how
to insert a functioning, clickable url into a lyx/beamer
presentation.
Yours,
Udi
  
On 10/3/22 2:46 PM, Udicoudco wrote:


  On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 2:16 PM Murat Yildizoglu  wrote:

  



On 3 October 2022, at 16:54, UD K  wrote:

I tried to insert a url into a lyx/beamer document. I naively thought that all I had to do was click: Insert/url with the cursor at the frame where I waned the url to appear and be clickable.  Unfortunately, all I got was the text of the url, and clicking on it did nothing.
   For some reason I am convinced that Lyx CAN do that, but it failed in my hands.  What am I doing wrong here?
Thanks,
Ehud Kaplan

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Dear Ehud,
I think that what you are looking for is Insert Hyperlink.
Best,
Murat


  
  
Hi Ehud,

You can find a detailed explanation about ho to inert URLs and
Hyperlinks in section 6.3 of LyX's User's Guide, which you can find in
Help->User's Guide

Best Regards,
Udi

  
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 & 
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 Czechia
-Formerly:
 Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
 Director, Center of Excellence for Computational & System Neuroscience,
 The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
 Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
 Depts. of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Chemical & Structural Biology
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Re: insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
That did not work
either.. ;-(

On 10/3/22 1:16 PM, Murat Yildizoglu
  wrote:


  
  
  

  On 3 October 2022, at 16:54, UD K <ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
  

I
tried to insert a url into
a lyx/beamer document. I naively thought that all I had
to do was click: Insert/url with the cursor at the frame
where I waned the url to appear and be clickable. 
Unfortunately, all I got was the text of the url, and
clicking on it did nothing.  
   For some reason I
am convinced that Lyx CAN do that, but it failed in
my hands.  What am I doing wrong here?
Thanks,
Ehud Kaplan

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  mailing list
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  Dear Ehud,
  I think that what you are looking for is Insert Hyperlink.
  Best,
  Murat
  
  


  

  

  

  

  
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Expertise
  France
  

  

  

  
  
  
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 Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
 Director, Center of Excellence for Computational & System Neuroscience,
 The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
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insert a url into a lyx/beamer presentation

[UD K]

  
  
I tried to insert a url
into a
lyx/beamer document. I naively thought that all I had to do was
click: Insert/url with the cursor at the frame where I waned the
url to appear and be clickable.  Unfortunately, all I got was
the text of the url, and clicking on it did nothing.  
   For some reason I
am convinced that Lyx CAN do that, but it failed in my
hands.  What am I doing wrong here?
Thanks,
Ehud Kaplan

  


  

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Running a command from within Lyx/Beamer

[UD K]

  
  
Is there a (simple) way
of running a (linux) command from within a Lyx/Beamer
presentation?  
I have tried the href latex command but it did not do anything,
although I included the \includepackage{hyperref} in the
preamble.  I want to use it as a (simple) way of running a video
from within a presentation.
Thanks,
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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/27/21 11:03 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 26/10/2021 01:31, Virgil Arrington wrote:

*> From: *UD K <mailto:ehud.kap...@gmail.com>

 >  I think that your experience confirms my feeling that it 
shouldn't HAVE to be that hard.


I agree; it shouldn’t be that hard. To me it would make sense to have 
the selection of the “Frame” environment automatically create a new 
slide without the need for a separate end of frame marker. However, I 
suppose there may be some folks who want to use the “Frame” 
environment for some content other than the Frame title. For them, we 
could have a “Frame-New-Slide” environment that would automatically 
create a new slide.


That’s the way it works in Markdown. Just put a heading hashtag # 
before your text and that line becomes the title of the new slide. 
Easy as pie.


Virgil




Since both of you replied but didn't directly commented on my 
suggestion (basically, use increased depth/indentation for stuff that 
should go on a frame which makes the whole separator machinery 
unnecessary between frames), I am wondering whether you had any 
thoughts about it or whether the suggestion isn't clear enough.


Daniel


Daniel,
I can only speak for myself.  Since I am not a developer, and know 
nothing about what is behind the screen of Lyx/Beamer, I assume that 
there is a (valid?) reason behind the need for an End-Of-Frame, without 
which, presumably, things will go fall apart.  All I know is that it IS 
difficult, right now, and --  I suspect-- does not need to be.


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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/25/21 4:14 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:


> *From: *UD K <mailto:ehud.kap...@gmail.com>
*> Sent: *Monday, October 25, 2021 6:39 AM
*> To: *lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
*> Subject: *Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..


> Since I am the one who started this END-OF-FRAME discussion because of
> my inability to do the simplest thing (adding a frame/slide where I
> wanted it), perhaps I should make my problem clearer than I managed to
> do initially.  Depending on where the cursor is in an existing
> presentation document, some commands are not shown in the menus, and
> some keyboard combinations are disabled or do nothing. Since I don''t
> use Lyx/Beamer often, I am hazy about what will work when the cursor is
> somewhere at the end of an existing frame, where I THINK it should be
> ready for a new frame or a frame terminator. If there was a way to 
force

> a frame terminator at the end of a frame, where it should not mess
> things up, it would make the occasional user less confused and 
frustrated.

>     I can't help but think, still, that this issue suggests that
> something pretty basic is wrong, if one of the most elementary
> operations is problematic.  Lyx's code is opaque to me, so I cannot 
make

> any useful suggestions, but perhaps, if the designers of the Beamer
> interface tried to understand the casual user's difficulties, some
> simplification could result, and everyone would be a little happier.

Like you, I was constantly frustrated by the seeming difficulty of 
inserting an end-of-frame marker to the end of a slide. I didn’t find 
it intuitive at all. However, after much use, it has now become second 
nature.


What I seemed to discover is that the secret (if that’s the right 
word) is to place the cursor at the bottom of the current frame in an 
**unnested** and content-free environment and then hit . It 
seems to work best if the unnested, empty environment is “standard,” 
but it also works for me if the environment is “itemize,” which it 
often is in my Beamer presentations. As I love keystroke combinations, 
after composing the last bullet point of a slide (“frame” in 
Beamer-speak), I hit  to obtain an empty environment. I then 
hit  as many times as necessary to remove any nesting. I 
then hit  and, voila, an end-of-frame marker appears.


Virgil


Virgil,
My experience was similar, but I had trouble detecting or deciphering 
what is the nature of the environment my cursor was in-- the screen did 
not magically change to green or somesuch safe color when the cursor 
entered the right environment, so I ended up hitting /enter/, /shift 
enter/, /control enter /etc. until somehow I got to the desired environment.
   I think that your experience confirms my feeling that it shouldn't 
HAVE to be that hard.  OTOH, Chinese, for me, is very difficult, because 
I don't know it, but 1.5 billion Chinese have no trouble with it, so if 
I knew Lyx/Beamer as well as they know Chinese, this thread would have 
never started.


EK


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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/20/21 1:35 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 19/10/2021 16:29, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 03:14:48PM +0200, Daniel wrote:

On 13/10/2021 16:50, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:13:30PM +0200, Daniel wrote:
Something that I thought while using beamer with LyX was that it 
seems that
it would be easier if Frames would not "hang together". I mean: 
right now,
if you press enter at the end or beginning of a frame, you get a 
new line
that is extending the same frame. Wouldn't it be easier if you get 
a new
frame this way and instead would just nest stuff in order to get 
it onto a
specific frame? So, no need for separators either. There may be 
issues with
this suggestion that I have not thought careful enough about but 
on the face

of it, it seems like a good idea to me and to solve the issues you
mentioned. What do you think?


I think the workflow you're suggesting makes the not-always-true 
assumption that the user does not use the "frame" layout for the 
*content* of the frame, and only uses nested layouts (e.g., itemize 
or standard). Did I understand right?


Yes. It is not a conservative approach. It suggest to not use the frame
layout for the content because, if I see it correctly, this can be 
equally
achieved by using a nested standard layout. So, why not have just 
one way of

doing things. And it seems to me more consistent in that, say, itemized
lists have to be nested as well within a frame which makes them 
appear at
another level than the content of the frame when not nested but they 
are

not. Isn't that a bit strange or misleading?

Instead, everything will have to be nested if it should go on a 
frame. (Of
course there must be a lyx2lyx mechanism to transfer old beamer 
documents to

the new "nesting-style".)

The workflow would in the new style would be like this:

1. Select the Frame layout to create a new frame.
2. Press enter which creates a nested Standard paragraph to add 
content.
3. Press enter twice to un-nest and get a Frame layout which starts 
a new

frame.

Doesn't this appear more simple and intuitive?


It does. I think it is a reasonable proposal. I'm just not sure 
everyone will agree. For example, our own beamer example uses the 
frame layout for content.


What abut making it so that if the user changes the layout to 
"frame title", then a *new* frame is started (i.e., LyX realizes 
"oh this frame already has a frame title so the user must want a 
new frame)?


I still tend to prefer the way I suggested because of its simplicity
(especially for new users or people who use, say, beamer not 
frequently)

unless it has some flaw I missed.


Perhaps we can start by writing some use cases that are currently 
annoying with the current interface. Then we can propose different 
interfaces to make those workflows easier. I think your proposal is a 
reasonable one, but I'm not sure it's the only one. Also, I'm 
hesitant to start this conversation since I would really want to see 
Jürgen's thoughts and I don't think he has much time these days.


The main confusion I see is that I think users would like one key 
combination that always produces a new frame. Currently, the user has 
to think whether to do "Alt + P, return" or "Alt + P, shift + 
return", depending on what nesting level they are currently at. Do 
you agree this is the main problem that your proposal and my proposal 
were both trying to solve? Is there any other big issue with the 
current workflow?


For me the key combinations is already where it starts. I don't use 
any. I mean, I use the standard ones that work in every application 
(copy, paste, cut, select all, etc.) But apart from that I never got 
the hang of learning or using any key combinations specific to some 
application. I am very much a toolbar and menu guy. In turn, I really 
appreciate when I have to use these as seldom as possible. Hence my 
urge to have as many features work with just pressing some obvious 
keys such as the enter key (several times if need be). But I tend to 
think I am not the only person who works that way and so far I found 
professional applications to respect this preference quite well.


Daniel

Since I am the one who started this END-OF-FRAME discussion because of 
my inability to do the simplest thing (adding a frame/slide where I 
wanted it), perhaps I should make my problem clearer than I managed to 
do initially.  Depending on where the cursor is in an existing 
presentation document, some commands are not shown in the menus, and 
some keyboard combinations are disabled or do nothing. Since I don''t 
use Lyx/Beamer often, I am hazy about what will work when the cursor is 
somewhere at the end of an existing frame, where I THINK it should be 
ready for a new frame or a frame terminator. If there was a way to force 
a frame terminator at the end of a frame, where it should not mess 
things up, it would make the occasional user less confused and frustrated.
   I can't help but think, stil

Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/12/21 4:54 PM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Ehud,

 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22MX+Linux%22+latex

returns 89 results of which the first one

 https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=59086

gives a hint at how to get a TexLive installed.

As it is Debian based, there are dummy packages for TexLive somewhere.

el

On 11/10/2021 21:50, UD K wrote:
[...]

This is punishment for using something called MX Linux, which has only
that antiquated version, without this needed feature.

[...]
EL-- My problem with MX Linux was installing a more recent version of 
Lyx, not TexLive, which I have installed and used.


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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/12/21 4:54 PM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Ehud,

 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22MX+Linux%22+latex

returns 89 results of which the first one

 https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=59086

gives a hint at how to get a TexLive installed.

As it is Debian based, there are dummy packages for TexLive somewhere.

el

On 11/10/2021 21:50, UD K wrote:
[...]

This is punishment for using something called MX Linux, which has only
that antiquated version, without this needed feature.

[...]
Thanks, EL-- I shall check it out.  However, in the meantime I 
discovered that (as is often the case..) it was all my fault, and that 
"missing command" was hidden from me because the cursor was in the wrong 
place/environment.  Had I been designing Lyx, I would have left the 
commands but gray them out when they should not be used, but 
fortunately, I did not design Lyx.  It is possible that they were hidden 
for esthetic reasons, to eliminate clutter.


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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/12/21 7:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

UD K said on Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:47:46 +0200


I SHOULD know this, because it came up in the (distant) past, but
either I forgot, or Lyx has changed-- probably a little of both.
    I wanted to cut a frame from a lyx/beamer presentation and put it
in
another place in the presentation. Control-X, and Control-V failed. So
I tried to insert a new frame, but that came without an end-of-frame,

I like LyX as much as the next guy --- I'm selling about 9 books
authored in LyX. But when it comes to putting together a slide
presentation with Beamer, I think LyX adds more complexity than it
removes. When I use Beamer at all, I just edit the LaTeX in an editor.
Doing that would be the kiss of death writing a book, but Beamer/LaTeX
uses only a small subset of LaTeX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
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Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
Steve-- I TOTALLY agree with you about the Lyx/Beamer combo being a 
killjoy experience.  To make matters worse, I use this combination only 
rarely, and in between, pandemics, Former-Presidents and other plagues 
brush away what I knew about using it, so the experience is usually like 
a root-canal: painful, frustrating and disappointing. It is harder to 
use than the much maligned Impress of the even-more-maligned 
LibreOffice, but of course the output, if I ever get to that stage, is 
MUCH better looking.  Whether that improved look is worth the pain 
depends on your pain threshold ;-)


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 *Director*, Center of Excellence for Computational & System Neuroscience,
 The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/11/21 11:44 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 10/11/21 4:19 PM, UD K wrote:



On 10/11/21 9:58 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 10/11/21 3:50 PM, UD K wrote:
I remember the Insert > Separated Frame Below, which has now 
vanished, at least from my 2.3.2 version.  This is punishment for 
using something called MX Linux, which has only that antiquated 
version, without this needed feature.  I also looked for a command 
buffer but it, too, is hidden.       The war was lost for the 
loss of a nail, and my lecture will die for the lack of Insert > 
Separated Frame Below  ;-(

EK

On 10/11/21 8:53 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Insert > Separated Frame Below



The command buffer should be accessible from View > Toolbars > 
Command Buffer (unless it lived in a different place back in 2.3.2), 
or alternatively using the shortcut Alt + x (unless that gets mapped 
to something else, but it's been Alt + x on my system as far back as 
I can recall).


Thanks-- I am getting a great tour of some useful features of Lyx 
that I never explored.  With Paul's help, I found the command buffer, 
and typed /Insert > Separated Frame Below/, but it did nothing.  I 
must be very motivated, since I did the unthinkable, and (re)read the 
Lyx/Beamer manual (V. 2.3).  It makes repeated infuriating references 
to the missing Insert Frame Separator, etc.   It also mentioned some 
keyboard shortcuts that do not work, as tips for an easier way of 
accomplishing this (apparently heroic) task of inserting an 
end-of-frame.

   Square One is my home now...
EK







Ehud,

Insert > ... is a menu selection, not something to type in the command 
buffer.


With the cursor at the end of the content of a frame, type 'call 
newframe' (without the quotes) in the buffer and hit enter.


Paul
Who said persistence cannot make up for stupidity and ignorance?   I 
finally found what was my problem, and-- even better-- I solved it.  My 
mistake was that I was trying to insert an end-of-frame NOT in the 
standard environment, but while the cursor was in some graphics 
environment (I think).  Once I managed to get the cursor into a 
non-magical environment, the missing commands appeared in the Insert 
menu, and all is well. I guess Lyx tries hard to help the user by hiding 
from her the commands that cannot work in the current environment.  That 
is a sensible thing to do, but when you are as ignorant as I was (until 
now) it can get very confusing and frustrating.
   In addition, although I cannot upgrade to V. 2.3.6, the "missing" 
commands exist in 2.3.2.

   Thanks for the speedy and helpful advice--  it is much appreciated.
EK





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 Charles University, Prague
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 Czechia
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 Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
 Director, Center of Excellence for Computational & System Neuroscience,
 The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
 Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
 Depts. of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Chemical & Structural Biology
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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

On 10/11/21 9:58 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 10/11/21 3:50 PM, UD K wrote:
I remember the Insert > Separated Frame Below, which has now 
vanished, at least from my 2.3.2 version.  This is punishment for 
using something called MX Linux, which has only that antiquated 
version, without this needed feature.  I also looked for a command 
buffer but it, too, is hidden.       The war was lost for the 
loss of a nail, and my lecture will die for the lack of Insert > 
Separated Frame Below  ;-(

EK

On 10/11/21 8:53 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Insert > Separated Frame Below



The command buffer should be accessible from View > Toolbars > Command 
Buffer (unless it lived in a different place back in 2.3.2), or 
alternatively using the shortcut Alt + x (unless that gets mapped to 
something else, but it's been Alt + x on my system as far back as I 
can recall).


Thanks-- I am getting a great tour of some useful features of Lyx that I 
never explored.  With Paul's help, I found the command buffer, and typed 
/Insert > Separated Frame Below/, but it did nothing.  I must be very 
motivated, since I did the unthinkable, and (re)read the Lyx/Beamer 
manual (V. 2.3).  It makes repeated infuriating references to the 
missing Insert Frame Separator, etc.   It also mentioned some keyboard 
shortcuts that do not work, as tips for an easier way of accomplishing 
this (apparently heroic) task of inserting an end-of-frame.

   Square One is my home now...
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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

I remember the Insert > Separated Frame Below, which has now vanished, 
at least from my 2.3.2 version.  This is punishment for using something 
called MX Linux, which has only that antiquated version, without this 
needed feature.  I also looked for a command buffer but it, too, is 
hidden.       The war was lost for the loss of a nail, and my 
lecture will die for the lack of Insert > Separated Frame Below  ;-(

EK

On 10/11/21 8:53 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Insert > Separated Frame Below


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Re: END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

Thanks for the speedy response, but, alas, neither approach solved my 
problem.  Paul's suggestion ignored the fact that (at least on MY lyx, 
v. 2.3.2) there is no Insert > Frame separator Below (as I lamented in 
my OP).  I vaguely remember seeing, and even using, that magical 
Separator, but it has now vanished.  Rich's approach merged the moved 
frame with the one near its new home, but-- since there is no obvious 
(or known to me) way to insert a separator, their union is NOT what I 
was looking for.  I am (almost) back to the infamous Square One.

  Ehud Kaplan

On 10/11/21 6:14 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 10/11/21 12:03 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, UD K wrote:

  So, finally, here is my question: /How do I move a frame from one 
part
of the presentation to another/, and, while you are educating me-- 
how do

I insert an end-of-frame where I need one?  I could not find "new
environment", and plain layout didn't do it.  I know this is about as
basic a thing as could be, and Lyx/beamer should not have hidden it as
well as they did, but that's what we have.


Ehud,

A second approach:

1. Open outline window to left of beamer class window if not already 
open.

2. Place cursor on the frame you want to move.
3. Use the up- and down-arrows at the bottom right of the window to 
move the

fram to where you want it.

HTH,

Rich
Forgot about that (since I never use the outline window). Unless the 
slide is moving a zillion spots, that's certainly easier.


Paul



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END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[UD K]

I SHOULD know this, because it came up in the (distant) past, but either 
I forgot, or Lyx has changed-- probably a little of both.
   I wanted to cut a frame from a lyx/beamer presentation and put it in 
another place in the presentation. Control-X, and Control-V failed. So I 
tried to insert a new frame, but that came without an end-of-frame, so 
things did not look right.  I was looking for things that have worked in 
the past-- separator, insert-frame etc.-- but those are gone.
  So, finally, here is my question: /How  do I move a frame from one 
part of the presentation to another/, and, while you are educating me-- 
how do I insert an end-of-frame where I need one?  I could not find "new 
environment", and plain layout didn't do it.  I know this is about as 
basic a thing as could be, and Lyx/beamer should not have hidden it as 
well as they did, but that's what we have.

   Thanks, and hold your irate fire.
Ehud Kaplan

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Re: LyX for M1 Mac on Silicon under Rosetta 2

[UD K]

  
  

On 3/30/21 8:00 PM, David Bickel wrote:


  Has anyone tried LyX in Rosetta 2 on a Silicon (M1) Mac?

If so, what issues did you encounter?



Were you running it under iOS or Linux?
  Or perhaps the use of Rosetta implies iOS?

I am interested in an M1 laptop, but only if I could run Linux on it.

EK

  

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Re: Missing converters and pdftex.def error

[UD K]

  
  


On 9/23/20 5:15 PM, Paul A. Rubin
  wrote:


  
  On 9/23/20 10:25 AM, UD K wrote:
  
  


I should know how to do it by now, but SOMETIME (not always)
  I am still running into an error message:
No information
about converting GIF files into JPG, or a similar
  error when I embed a graphics in a Lyx/Beamer file.  It comes
  with a:
pdftex.def
error.
I do not see the
required converters listed in the preferences/converters.  
Sadly, because I
am using MX Linux (don't ask me why), I am using Texlive
2018, which tlmgr refuses to update.   ImageMagick in
installed and working, but obviously something else is
broken.  
Any hints?
Thanks,
-- 
Ehud Kaplan


  
  LyX on my system (Mint) does not have a converter defined for
  GIFs, maybe because the GIF format is so 20th century? :-)  At any
  rate, I'm pretty sure ImageMagick can convert GIF to JPG or PNG or
  maybe EPS. I suggest try to convert one of the files using
  ImageMagick, and if it works, just define a GIF converter using
  ImageMagick in LyX.
  
  Paul


Indeed, converting GIF to JPG works, so I can live with that. 
However, I am also very 20th Century, and I have not quite expired
yet, despite the efforts of Sars-2 et al...
 
  
  

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Missing converters and pdftex.def error

[UD K]

  
  
I should know how to do it by now, but SOMETIME (not always) I am
  still running into an error message:
No information about
converting GIF files into JPG, or a similar error when I
  embed a graphics in a Lyx/Beamer file.  It comes with a:
pdftex.def error.
I do not see the
required converters listed in the preferences/converters.  
Sadly, because I am
using MX Linux (don't ask me why), I am using Texlive 2018,
which tlmgr refuses to update.   ImageMagick in installed and
working, but obviously something else is broken.  
Any hints?
Thanks,
-- 
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Re: PDF preview under Widows 8

[UD-K]

Lyx version 2.1;
TexLive 2013
Adobe Reader Touch

I think what I need is to know which pdf version (pdflatex? PDF/luatex? 
etc. I need to specify in the
tools/preferences/file handling/file formats dialog.  Under (L)ubuntu I 
use evince with pdflatex, which works flawlessly.

THanks,

Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor
*Director*, Center of Excellence for Computational & System Neuroscience,
The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
*Director*, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
Depts. of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Chemical & Structural Biology
The Icahn Medical School at Mount Sinai
One Gustave Levy Place
New York, NY, 10029
On 05/05/2014 11:04 AM, Jacob Bishop wrote:


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 6:14 PM, UD-Kap > wrote:


I am using Windows 8.1 (NOT my fault!), and pdf previewing does
not work-- I have tried Adobe reader, Sumatra and Foxit as
pdfLatex readers.   Can someone help?


I have LyX on a Windows 8.1 laptop and pdf previewing does work, using 
Adobe reader. Perhaps you could provide more information so we can 
help better. What version of LyX? Which version of Adobe? Which 
installer did you use for LyX? What TeX are you using (MikTeX? 
version?) Thanks.


-Jacob