Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bo> 3. latex conversion: critical to the usability of lyx. I was Bo> frustrated when I can not import a lyx-exported latex file that Bo> has been slightly modified by my advisor. I am glad that it will Bo> get better in 1.4. Currently, with

[off-topic] Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread chr
The New Years spirit must be strong! Thanks to everyone for not starting a flame war and having such a pleasant, well mannered and constructive conversation in this thread. (For people who haven't followed the thread, I'm *not* being ironic here) Happy New Year and my sincerest regards

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Charles> The Emacs-style interface is showing its age and rather weird > Charles> for Windows transfuges used to MsWord. > > Emacs-style in which sense? > For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I think that LyX should show the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Things that should happen in 1.3.6: ... Things that will be in 1.4.0: ... I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great feature that they are

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Rich Shepard wrote: > I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open figure, > table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. It's a great > feature that they are checked, but it would be very tidy to be able to > close them all again without having to move through the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Charles de Miramon wrote: > For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I > think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that > Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? key bindings are all configurable. See $PREFIX/share/lyx/bind.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Charles de Miramon
Angus Leeming wrote: > Charles de Miramon wrote: >> For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I >> think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that >> Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? > > key bindings are all configurable. See

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 January 2005 23:33, Bo Peng wrote: > 8. file format: I also sometimes modify lyx file directly using perl > but lyx format is not very easy to handle. I would prefer a XML like > format. The file format has changed a bit between 1.3 and 1.4, we had more than 15 changes in the file

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Matej> 421 (I don't care that much), > > http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 > Export to ASCII does not export bibliography and references > > It seems to be fixed now, but Jose' knows better than I do. It is fixed now. --

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Matej> - Docbook bibliography support (after being spoiled by LyX's > Matej> support of BibTeX, I just cannot live without Insert/Citation > Matej> Reference working) There is a feature request in bugzilla for this, I didn't had

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: 1.4 has an lfun which does exactly this (you can open, close or toggle all footnotes and others via the minibuffer). Jürgen, I _thought_ this was the case. I look forward to using it. Many thanks, Rich -- Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President Applied

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Charles de Miramon wrote: > I was talking of the way how shortcuts appear in the menu. Today it is C-n > and I think it should be changed to Ctrl+N like Gnome/KDE/Windows > applications. This has been changed in 1.4 (shortcuts are even translatable). Jürgen

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Juergen" == Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Juergen> Rich Shepard wrote: >> I'd like to state again my request for a way to close all open >> figure, table and footnotes that are opened by the spell checker. >> It's a great feature that they are checked, but it would be

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Jose'" == Jose' Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jose'> On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:58, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Matej> 421 (I don't care that much), >> http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421 Export to ASCII does >> not export bibliography and references >> >> It seems to be

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:13, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Jose'> It is fixed now. > > So, why isn't marked as fixedintrunk? Because the bibliographic support is broken (for insertions) and I would like to close it when this is working. Consider it some kind of hidden dependency.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 10:16 am, Angus Leeming wrote: > Charles de Miramon wrote: > > For example the shortcuts with the quite obsolete concept of 'Meta'. I > > think that LyX should show the shortcuts in the same Windowish way that > > Gnome or KDE. Who is using a Sun keyboard anyway ? > >

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-04 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:17:12PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > I just repeat what John Levon said a few months ago. He seemd to thing > that there was a lot of work to do on it (maybe for undo). At the time there was a lot of brokenness around tables, insets, undo etc. This may indeed

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Matej == Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Matej, Matej Hi, I have occasionally guy (Bruce D'Arcus from Matej bibliographic.openoffice.org) some of my thoughts about LyX and Matej generally about writing and I thought that you may be Matej interested as well (it is slightly edited -- I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 03 January 2005 08:23 am, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Actually, I would interested to know what your other pet peeves wrt LyX are, besides the fact that it does not do scripting and you are afraid it may not be there in a few years. Here are my (Steve Litt) pet peeves about LyX: 1.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Also, we have a growing interest for the native OSX and Windows versions, and I hope this is going to help attract other people to help. Part of KDE has been ported to OSX and some are working on a Windows Port but it has not brought us any new developpers.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll try to answer to some of your concerns. Thanks, Jean-Marc, for answering. I was really getting worried that my report about LyX's death were not that exaggerated (BTW, it is so over-quoted citation, that I was not able to google

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Matej Cepl wrote: Just contrary to what Steve writes, I would think that if dropping anything then I would let XForms go and made LyX into a first-class KDE citizen. As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that it's time to drop support for xforms.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Charles de Miramon wrote: a powerfull searchreplace Oh yes, regexps would be nice. I think that the LyX development team did not understand that a graphical toolkit is not a 'skin' but a source of more and more powerfull components and in the case of Qt of wordprocessor components. A lot of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Matej Cepl wrote: * later ... well, actually, why not switch LyX to save its files in some kind of subset of OASIS Document format (what is going to be a native format of OOo 2.0, KOffice, and possibly even AbiWord)? Just throwing the thought here -- it will certainly need a long

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Rich Shepard wrote: As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that You can use whichever KDE application in whatever environment if you have installed kdelibs. In contrast to what you want in the way of fine-scale control, I like It is not about fine-scale

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Matej Cepl wrote: That's the question -- are we really talking about typesetting/publication system or authoring system? Or to say it more bluntly -- do we want PageMaker/FrameMaker (LaTeX based) or more author-friendly XMEtal/Amaya/Epic (LaTeX based, so far)? I am all for the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 03 January 2005 03:06 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: Matej, Scribus is desktop publishing and is ideal for graphics-heavy layout. Good for magazines, advertising and the like. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I see LyX as a very easy to use front end to LaTeX for the typeset output of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Herbert Voss
Steve Litt wrote: I don't like to fine tune individual pages, but before releasing my books for sale, I like to fine-tune what a warning looks like, what a tip looks like, what a story looks like, what a list looks like, what a chunk of code looks like. Such book-wide fine tuning is trivial in

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Bo Peng
Dear list, I can not help having one or two words about lyx. Please forgive me if they seem to be in random order. Firstly, I am a graduate student in statistics and lyx is the best writing tool (I was a long time user of word, scientific workplace, latex) I can find. I use lyx everyday, for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Charles de Miramon wrote: a powerfull searchreplace | Oh yes, regexps would be nice. I think that the LyX development team did not understand that a graphical toolkit is not a 'skin' but a source of more and more powerfull components and in the case of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Matej == Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Matej, Matej Hi, I have occasionally guy (Bruce D'Arcus from Matej bibliographic.openoffice.org) some of my thoughts about LyX and Matej generally about writing and I thought that you may be Matej interested as well (it is slightly edited -- I

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 03 January 2005 08:23 am, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Actually, I would interested to know what your other pet peeves wrt LyX are, besides the fact that it does not do scripting and you are afraid it may not be there in a few years. Here are my (Steve Litt) pet peeves about LyX: 1.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Also, we have a growing interest for the native OSX and Windows versions, and I hope this is going to help attract other people to help. Part of KDE has been ported to OSX and some are working on a Windows Port but it has not brought us any new developpers.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll try to answer to some of your concerns. Thanks, Jean-Marc, for answering. I was really getting worried that my report about LyX's death were not that exaggerated (BTW, it is so over-quoted citation, that I was not able to google

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Matej Cepl wrote: Just contrary to what Steve writes, I would think that if dropping anything then I would let XForms go and made LyX into a first-class KDE citizen. As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that it's time to drop support for xforms.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Charles de Miramon wrote: a powerfull searchreplace Oh yes, regexps would be nice. I think that the LyX development team did not understand that a graphical toolkit is not a 'skin' but a source of more and more powerfull components and in the case of Qt of wordprocessor components. A lot of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Matej Cepl wrote: * later ... well, actually, why not switch LyX to save its files in some kind of subset of OASIS Document format (what is going to be a native format of OOo 2.0, KOffice, and possibly even AbiWord)? Just throwing the thought here -- it will certainly need a long

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Rich Shepard wrote: As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that You can use whichever KDE application in whatever environment if you have installed kdelibs. In contrast to what you want in the way of fine-scale control, I like It is not about fine-scale

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Matej Cepl wrote: That's the question -- are we really talking about typesetting/publication system or authoring system? Or to say it more bluntly -- do we want PageMaker/FrameMaker (LaTeX based) or more author-friendly XMEtal/Amaya/Epic (LaTeX based, so far)? I am all for the

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 03 January 2005 03:06 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: Matej, Scribus is desktop publishing and is ideal for graphics-heavy layout. Good for magazines, advertising and the like. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I see LyX as a very easy to use front end to LaTeX for the typeset output of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Herbert Voss
Steve Litt wrote: I don't like to fine tune individual pages, but before releasing my books for sale, I like to fine-tune what a warning looks like, what a tip looks like, what a story looks like, what a list looks like, what a chunk of code looks like. Such book-wide fine tuning is trivial in

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Bo Peng
Dear list, I can not help having one or two words about lyx. Please forgive me if they seem to be in random order. Firstly, I am a graduate student in statistics and lyx is the best writing tool (I was a long time user of word, scientific workplace, latex) I can find. I use lyx everyday, for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Charles de Miramon wrote: a powerfull searchreplace | Oh yes, regexps would be nice. I think that the LyX development team did not understand that a graphical toolkit is not a 'skin' but a source of more and more powerfull components and in the case of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Matej" == Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Matej, Matej> Hi, I have occasionally guy (Bruce D'Arcus from Matej> bibliographic.openoffice.org) some of my thoughts about LyX and Matej> generally about writing and I thought that you may be Matej> interested as well (it is

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 03 January 2005 08:23 am, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Actually, I would interested to know what your other pet peeves wrt > LyX are, besides the fact that it does not do scripting and you are > afraid it may not be there in a few years. Here are my (Steve Litt) pet peeves about LyX:

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Also, we have a growing interest for the native OSX and Windows > versions, and I hope this is going to help attract other people to > help. > Part of KDE has been ported to OSX and some are working on a Windows Port but it has not brought us any new developpers.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll try to answer to some of your > concerns. Thanks, Jean-Marc, for answering. I was really getting worried that my report about LyX's death were not that exaggerated (BTW, it is so over-quoted citation, that I was not able to

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Matej Cepl wrote: Just contrary to what Steve writes, I would think that if dropping anything then I would let XForms go and made LyX into a first-class KDE citizen. As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that it's time to drop support for xforms.

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Charles de Miramon wrote: > a powerfull search Oh yes, regexps would be nice. > I think that the LyX development team did not understand that a graphical > toolkit is not a 'skin' but a source of more and more powerfull components > and in the case of Qt of wordprocessor components. A lot of

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Matej Cepl wrote: > * later ... well, actually, why not switch LyX to save its files in some > kind of subset of OASIS Document format (what is going to be a native > format of OOo 2.0, KOffice, and possibly even AbiWord)? Just throwing > the thought here -- it will certainly need a

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Rich Shepard wrote: >As long as it does not require KDE to run it's OK with me. I agree that You can use whichever KDE application in whatever environment if you have installed kdelibs. >In contrast to what you want in the way of fine-scale control, I like It is not about fine-scale

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Matej Cepl wrote: That's the question -- are we really talking about "typesetting/publication system" or authoring system? Or to say it more bluntly -- do we want PageMaker/FrameMaker (LaTeX based) or more author-friendly XMEtal/Amaya/Epic (LaTeX based, so far)? I am all for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 03 January 2005 03:06 pm, Rich Shepard wrote: > Matej, > >Scribus is desktop publishing and is ideal for graphics-heavy layout. > Good for magazines, advertising and the like. Perhaps I'm in the minority, > but I see LyX as a very easy to use front end to LaTeX for the typeset >

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Herbert Voss
Steve Litt wrote: I don't like to fine tune individual pages, but before releasing my books for sale, I like to fine-tune what a warning looks like, what a tip looks like, what a story looks like, what a list looks like, what a chunk of code looks like. Such book-wide fine tuning is trivial in

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Bo Peng
Dear list, I can not help having one or two words about lyx. Please forgive me if they seem to be in random order. Firstly, I am a graduate student in statistics and lyx is the best writing tool (I was a long time user of word, scientific workplace, latex) I can find. I use lyx everyday, for

Re: Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2005-01-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Charles de Miramon wrote: >> a powerfull search > | Oh yes, regexps would be nice. > >> I think that the LyX development team did not understand that a graphical >> toolkit is not a 'skin' but a source of more and more powerfull components >> and in the

Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2004-12-28 Thread Matej Cepl
Hi, I have occasionally guy (Bruce D'Arcus from bibliographic.openoffice.org) some of my thoughts about LyX and generally about writing and I thought that you may be interested as well (it is slightly edited -- I do not need to explain to you what LyX is). Just to be sure, I really do not want to

Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2004-12-28 Thread Matej Cepl
Hi, I have occasionally guy (Bruce D'Arcus from bibliographic.openoffice.org) some of my thoughts about LyX and generally about writing and I thought that you may be interested as well (it is slightly edited -- I do not need to explain to you what LyX is). Just to be sure, I really do not want to

Comments on structured authoring, LyX, OpenOffice, and life

2004-12-28 Thread Matej Cepl
Hi, I have occasionally guy (Bruce D'Arcus from bibliographic.openoffice.org) some of my thoughts about LyX and generally about writing and I thought that you may be interested as well (it is slightly edited -- I do not need to explain to you what LyX is). Just to be sure, I really do not want to

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