Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.
--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Paul A. Rubin wrote: > From: Paul A. Rubin > Subject: Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play. > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:32 AM > John Kane wrote: > > Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am > sure that there > > is some famous song (or something about a triple play. > Perhaps I > > should have lunch. > > > > I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to > Chance. Don't know about a song, but there's a poem: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance. > > And now I'm off to lunch myself. > > /Paul > That's it. Mother was a big baseball fan and probably inflicted it on me. John __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.
John Kane wrote: Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have lunch. I'm guessing you're flashing on Tinkers to Evers to Chance. Don't know about a song, but there's a poem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkers_evers_chance#Tinkers_to_Evers_to_Chance. And now I'm off to lunch myself. /Paul
RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play
Hi Rob, I did check the path as you suggest. It looked funny but is correct. I guess I'll have to send a message to support. Thank john --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Rob Oakes wrote: > From: Rob Oakes > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play > To: "John Kane" > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:23 AM > Hi John, > > Glad to hear that things are working for you. To get > the sync working, > all I had to do was go to Tools -> Options -> Zotero > /CiteULike and > Click on "Zotero integration" box. Make sure that the > path to your > Zotero database is correct (on one of my desktops, a > Windows 7 box, it > was filled in automatically and incorrectly). > > After that, it *should* just work. (I know that I'm using > should in a > very meaningless and dangerous way.) If you have > problems, you might > consider sending an email to the Mendeley devs at supp...@mendeley.com > (or something like that, the correct email is on their > website; too lazy > to check it). > > I've sent a number of complaints/feature requests and > they've been very > good at getting back to me. I've never had to wait > more than a few > hours. > > To enable the custom citation key, go to Tools -> > Options -> Document > Details and then Click on "Citation Key". > > One other point, keep in mind that only changes in Zotero > are synced to > Mendeley. It doesn't seem to work in reverse (or at > least not yet). > So, if you need to change things, make sure to do it in > Zotero. For my > Zotereo citations, the only bit of information I add is a > citation key > (since Zotero doesn't let me do that). > > Even with the limitations, I've been very happy with > Mendeley. I've > been working on a book project for the past few months and > it has been > invaluable for keeping my references and PDFs > organized. Throw in the > ability to sync with Zotero (which I use to grab websites), > the indexed > and complete text search, the OpenOffice integration (I > still think that > Zotero does this better, but I'm not going to complain) and > I've been a > very happy camper. > > If I can help with anything else, please let me know. > > Cheers, > > Rob > > On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 15:01 -0800, John Kane wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems > to be working well. I also installed a Foxfire sql manager > extension which may or may not have cured the Qt4 SQlite > plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was > on Kubuntu not Windows. > > > > However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero > properly? It seems to have nicely imported all the > collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the > references! > > > > On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's > of journal articles I had stored in a folder and it > performed wonderfully. :) It's now on my watched > folder list. Wonderful! > > > > At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to > work properly the two look to be extremely complimentary > products. > > > > Many thanks for the > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane > wrote: > > > > > From: John Kane > > > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A > Problem not a baseball play > > > To: "Rob Oakes" > > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > > Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM > > > Thanks Rob. I remember looking > > > at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and > deciding not to > > > try two at the same time. > > > > > > I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now > getting > > > the message: > > > > > > "It appears that you have Qt installed on your > system, but > > > do not have > > > the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley > requires. \ > > > Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to > use > > > Mendeley. > > > If you are using a Debian-based system, such as > Ubuntu, > > > this is the > > > libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be > installed with > > > command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. > > > Alternatively, > > > remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley > will use > > > bundled copies." > > > > > > So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have > Qt > > > installed ( I find l
RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play
Hi John, Glad to hear that things are working for you. To get the sync working, all I had to do was go to Tools -> Options -> Zotero /CiteULike and Click on "Zotero integration" box. Make sure that the path to your Zotero database is correct (on one of my desktops, a Windows 7 box, it was filled in automatically and incorrectly). After that, it *should* just work. (I know that I'm using should in a very meaningless and dangerous way.) If you have problems, you might consider sending an email to the Mendeley devs at supp...@mendeley.com (or something like that, the correct email is on their website; too lazy to check it). I've sent a number of complaints/feature requests and they've been very good at getting back to me. I've never had to wait more than a few hours. To enable the custom citation key, go to Tools -> Options -> Document Details and then Click on "Citation Key". One other point, keep in mind that only changes in Zotero are synced to Mendeley. It doesn't seem to work in reverse (or at least not yet). So, if you need to change things, make sure to do it in Zotero. For my Zotereo citations, the only bit of information I add is a citation key (since Zotero doesn't let me do that). Even with the limitations, I've been very happy with Mendeley. I've been working on a book project for the past few months and it has been invaluable for keeping my references and PDFs organized. Throw in the ability to sync with Zotero (which I use to grab websites), the indexed and complete text search, the OpenOffice integration (I still think that Zotero does this better, but I'm not going to complain) and I've been a very happy camper. If I can help with anything else, please let me know. Cheers, Rob On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 15:01 -0800, John Kane wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems to be working well. I > also installed a Foxfire sql manager extension which may or may not have > cured the Qt4 SQlite plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it > was on Kubuntu not Windows. > > However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero properly? It seems to have > nicely imported all the collection names that I have in Zotero but none of > the references! > > On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's of journal articles I > had stored in a folder and it performed wonderfully. :) It's now on my > watched folder list. Wonderful! > > At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to work properly the two > look to be extremely complimentary products. > > Many thanks for the > > > --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane wrote: > > > From: John Kane > > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play > > To: "Rob Oakes" > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM > > Thanks Rob. I remember looking > > at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and deciding not to > > try two at the same time. > > > > I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting > > the message: > > > > "It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but > > do not have > > the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \ > > Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use > > Mendeley. > > If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu, > > this is the > > libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with > > command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. > > Alternatively, > > remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use > > bundled copies." > > > > So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt > > installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I > > must have it somewhere) and track down the SQlite > > plugin. Closer all the time! > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes > > wrote: > > > > > From: Rob Oakes > > > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem > > not a baseball play > > > To: "'John Kane'" > > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > > Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM > > > Hi John, > > > > > > By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking > > BibTeX. > > > By far the ugliest > > > offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation > > > keys. It uses weird > > > character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what > > they > > > are), that can't be > > > processed by LaTeX. When these characters appear, >
RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play
Hi Rob, Progress report. I reinstalled Mandeley and it seems to be working well. I also installed a Foxfire sql manager extension which may or may not have cured the Qt4 SQlite plugin problem. The only reference I could find about it was on Kubuntu not Windows. However, how do I get it to sync with Zotero properly? It seems to have nicely imported all the collection names that I have in Zotero but none of the references! On the other hand I just had it import all the pdf's of journal articles I had stored in a folder and it performed wonderfully. :) It's now on my watched folder list. Wonderful! At the moment if I can get the Mandeley-Zotero sync to work properly the two look to be extremely complimentary products. Many thanks for the --- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Kane wrote: > From: John Kane > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play > To: "Rob Oakes" > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:40 PM > Thanks Rob. I remember looking > at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and deciding not to > try two at the same time. > > I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting > the message: > > "It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but > do not have > the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \ > Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use > Mendeley. > If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu, > this is the > libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with > command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. > Alternatively, > remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use > bundled copies." > > So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt > installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I > must have it somewhere) and track down the SQlite > plugin. Closer all the time! > > > > --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes > wrote: > > > From: Rob Oakes > > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem > not a baseball play > > To: "'John Kane'" > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM > > Hi John, > > > > By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking > BibTeX. > > By far the ugliest > > offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation > > keys. It uses weird > > character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what > they > > are), that can't be > > processed by LaTeX. When these characters appear, > the > > only way I've been > > able to get things to work is by manually redefining > the > > citation keys. Of > > course, this must be done after every export. (A > > tremendous and > > non-productive pain.) > > > > The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for > > BibTeX. But since I > > love using Zotero to collect citations and references > from > > the web, this > > poses a problem. > > > > Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable > alternative > > using a reference > > manager called Mendeley as an intermediary. You can > > configure Mendeley so > > that it will sync with the Zotero database. Any > > updates to Zotero will > > automatically be reflected in Mendeley. > > (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not > > supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear > in > > Zotero.) > > > > Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with > > custom citation keys. > > Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, > I've > > had no problems > > with Mendeley BibTeX. I've been using it for two > > papers and a book I'm > > working on. > > > > Another nice feature is the automatic creation of > BibTeX > > database files. If > > you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is > > completely automatic. > > Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will > show up > > in your BibTeX > > database automatically via Mendeley. > > > > I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and > though > > it's still in > > beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the > 0.9.5.2 > > update at least). > > There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, > but > > those appear to have > > been sorted out. > > > > Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize > and > > sync your reference > > library to multiple machines. Zotero can do > something > > similar, but I've > > found Mendeley easier to use. > > > > You can find more information on their web site: > > > > http://www.mendeley.com/ > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rob Oakes > > > > > > > > __ > The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, > easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for > Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ > __ Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play
Thanks Rob. I remember looking at Mendeley just after installing Zotero and deciding not to try two at the same time. I've installed Mendeley and it loads but I'm now getting the message: "It appears that you have Qt installed on your system, but do not have the sqlite plugin installed, which Mendeley requires. \ Please install the Qt4 sqlite plugin, in order to use Mendeley. If you are using a Debian-based system, such as Ubuntu, this is the libqt4-sql-sqlite package, and can be installed with command 'apt-get install libqt4-sql-sqlite'. Alternatively, remove your system Qt libraries, and Mendeley will use bundled copies." So now all I have to do if figue out if I do have Qt installed ( I find lots of Qt files in MikTex and Lyx so I must have it somewhere) and track down the SQlite plugin. Closer all the time! --- On Sun, 12/27/09, Rob Oakes wrote: > From: Rob Oakes > Subject: RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play > To: "'John Kane'" > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 4:55 PM > Hi John, > > By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX. > By far the ugliest > offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation > keys. It uses weird > character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they > are), that can't be > processed by LaTeX. When these characters appear, the > only way I've been > able to get things to work is by manually redefining the > citation keys. Of > course, this must be done after every export. (A > tremendous and > non-productive pain.) > > The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for > BibTeX. But since I > love using Zotero to collect citations and references from > the web, this > poses a problem. > > Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative > using a reference > manager called Mendeley as an intermediary. You can > configure Mendeley so > that it will sync with the Zotero database. Any > updates to Zotero will > automatically be reflected in Mendeley. > (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not > supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in > Zotero.) > > Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with > custom citation keys. > Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've > had no problems > with Mendeley BibTeX. I've been using it for two > papers and a book I'm > working on. > > Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX > database files. If > you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is > completely automatic. > Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up > in your BibTeX > database automatically via Mendeley. > > I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though > it's still in > beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2 > update at least). > There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but > those appear to have > been sorted out. > > Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and > sync your reference > library to multiple machines. Zotero can do something > similar, but I've > found Mendeley easier to use. > > You can find more information on their web site: > > http://www.mendeley.com/ > > Cheers, > > Rob Oakes > > __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play
Rob Oakes wrote: > able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys. Of > course, this must be done after every export. (A tremendous and > non-productive pain.) btw thats part of bug http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6300 . we only need somebody to actually do it ;) pavel
RE: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play
Hi John, By default, Zotero produces atrocious looking BibTeX. By far the ugliest offenders, as you have noticed, are in the citation keys. It uses weird character encodings (I'm frankly not even sure what they are), that can't be processed by LaTeX. When these characters appear, the only way I've been able to get things to work is by manually redefining the citation keys. Of course, this must be done after every export. (A tremendous and non-productive pain.) The best solution I've found is to not use Zotero for BibTeX. But since I love using Zotero to collect citations and references from the web, this poses a problem. Luckily, I've managed to rig an acceptable alternative using a reference manager called Mendeley as an intermediary. You can configure Mendeley so that it will sync with the Zotero database. Any updates to Zotero will automatically be reflected in Mendeley. (Unfortunately, reverse sync is not supported, so changes made in Mendeley won't appear in Zotero.) Mendeley, unlike Zotero, can create clean BibTeX with custom citation keys. Therefore, while Zotero BibTeX won't work with LyX, I've had no problems with Mendeley BibTeX. I've been using it for two papers and a book I'm working on. Another nice feature is the automatic creation of BibTeX database files. If you set this up, then the creation of your BibTeX is completely automatic. Whenever you add a new citation to Zotero, it will show up in your BibTeX database automatically via Mendeley. I've been using Mendeley for a couple of months, and though it's still in beta it's pretty stable (or it has been since the 0.9.5.2 update at least). There were a few problems specific to Ubuntu Linux, but those appear to have been sorted out. Additionally Mendeley makes it very easy to organize and sync your reference library to multiple machines. Zotero can do something similar, but I've found Mendeley easier to use. You can find more information on their web site: http://www.mendeley.com/ Cheers, Rob Oakes
Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.
On 12/27/2009 01:29 PM, John Kane wrote: Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have lunch. I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references lately and wanted to use the results in a LyX file. I selected a subset of references that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex. I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work. I can load it, select a citation and insert it. However when I compile, I get (?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and plainnat. I've fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten now) with the same results. Most likely problem is some encoding error. BibTeX does not handle Unicode. rh
Re: Zotero to Bibtex to Lyx: A Problem not a baseball play.
Hi John, I use a lot both Zotero and LyX but my workflow consists in never using bibtex files directly exported from Zotero. Instead (for several reasons and not because of the problems you mention) I always export from Zotero to BibDesk (an application similar to JabRef, but only available for Mac OS X) and then I use from LyX the .bib file generated by BibDesk. This always works very well. So, I could only try to give you the following 2 different suggestions: 1) 1st suggested solution: export from Zotero to JabRef and then use the JabRef file in conjunction with LyX OR: 2) 2nd suggested solution: try to use the .bib file generated by Zotero but when you export this file from Zotero don't check the UTF8 option As to the fact that sometimes the key of some records in the .bib file generated by Zotero has 4 ? this is due to the fact that Zotero, when exports records in the bibtex format, automatically creates the bibtex key for each records following this convention: lastname1stauthor_1stwordoftitle_publication year. When the publication year field is empty, Zotero adds 4 ? at the end of the bibtex key created as explained above. Hope this can be useful. Best wishes pierfranco 2009/12/27 John Kane > Sorry for the last part of the subject line but I am sure that there is > some famous song (or something about a triple play. Perhaps I should have > lunch. > > I have been having great fun using Zotero to grab a lot of references > lately and wanted to use the results in a LyX file. I selected a subset of > references that I wanted to use and exported them to Bibtex. > > I do not seem to be able to get the exported Bibtex file to work. > > I can load it, select a citation and insert it. However when I compile, I > get (?) if using Natbib and Author Year or [?] if using default and > plainnat. I've fooled around with a couple of other settings (forgotten > now) with the same results. > > I can remove the Bibtex file, add a new (home-grown ) file and everything > works fine. > > The Bibtex file under Jabref looks reasonable but some of the keys look > very strange in LyX itself. I seem to be getting some files with which > may just mean that some of the pdf or web sites are not dated. > > My OS is MS XP Home and I am using LyX 1.6.5 with Jabref 2.5 as my Bibtex > editor. > > I had a quick look at the Zotero forums with no luck and thought that I'd > ask here first before learning how to navigate them. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > __ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ >
