Re: Import and export to many formats...
On 2010-03-04, Nikos Alexandris wrote: > OK, I think I found it: I also had an Appendix with a rotated table. I > removed the Appendix completely and it worked! :-) > Well, as expected, it looks horrible but at least the text is there. This is why I believe we should be more specific about the export options of LyX in the Features advertisement. Something like * good export to latex, PDF, PS, HTML * via external converters, it is also possible to convert to oo, rtf, word, however there are limitations due to the conceptual differences in these formats. Maybe even more fine-grained (excellent, good, acceptable, problematic, ...) Günter
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 08:43 -0700, Rob Oakes wrote: > Hi Nikos, > > To get ODF to work, you must have Sun Java installed from the > restricted repositories. If you don't install that version, it won't > work. Rob, actually it did worked in my system without sun-java: # checking for version java -version java version "1.6.0_0" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.6.1) (6b16-1.6.1-3ubuntu1) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode) # exporting .lyx to .odt (after erasing the appendix in an article_class document) # works, i.e. does not produce empty file # I also have sun-java but not set to be default update-java-alternatives -l java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-su Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 01:31 +0100, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 23:36 +, Guenter Milde wrote: > > On 2010-03-03, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > > > On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:17:57 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > > > > > Thanks, works as expected! Seems that the problem is my complex (?) > > > article (still I use the normal article document class though). > > > > Is your article in Greek? Maybe this is the showstopper. > > No, no Guenter. It's all english stuff. Just the usual stuff: title, > sections, subsections, tables, nested items, a few footnotes, > references, LyX labels, LyX notes, no figures yet. [Below some details.] > > > > Also, running the conversion "by hand" and reporting the errors might > > give more insight to us all. > > Right. I'll try to spend some time on this tomorrow. OK, I think I found it: I also had an Appendix with a rotated table. I removed the Appendix completely and it worked! :-) Well, as expected, it looks horrible but at least the text is there. Thanks, Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 23:36 +, Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2010-03-03, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote:
> > On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:17:57 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote:
>
> > Thanks, works as expected! Seems that the problem is my complex (?)
> > article (still I use the normal article document class though).
>
> Is your article in Greek? Maybe this is the showstopper.
No, no Guenter. It's all english stuff. Just the usual stuff: title,
sections, subsections, tables, nested items, a few footnotes,
references, LyX labels, LyX notes, no figures yet. [Below some details.]
> Also, running the conversion "by hand" and reporting the errors might
> give more insight to us all.
Right. I'll try to spend some time on this tomorrow.
Thanks, Nikos
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Re: Import and export to many formats...
On 2010-03-03, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:17:57 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > Thanks, works as expected! Seems that the problem is my complex (?) > article (still I use the normal article document class though). Is your article in Greek? Maybe this is the showstopper. Also, running the conversion "by hand" and reporting the errors might give more insight to us all. Günter
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 23:10 +0100, Alex Fernandez wrote: > To export to Word the best way is IMHO to export using eLyXer with the > --html option: > $ elyxer --html input.lyx output.html > And then import from Word. > > The reason for this --html option is that Word does not like the > default XHTML too much. The same can be said for OpenOffice; I have > had no luck importing from Abiword at all. You have a point here. Comparing the different tests I did, it seems to be (currently) the best option. Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Hi Nikos, 2010/3/2 Νίκος Αλεξανδρής : > Fortunately or Unfortunately, I am aware of all the things you mention. > - I've been testing eLyXer since its first days (thanks to Alexander > again for this nice tool) Thanks to you! > - I (also?) believe the best way (currently) is to export (somehow) in > html and then OOo/abiword -> M$-Word. To export to Word the best way is IMHO to export using eLyXer with the --html option: $ elyxer --html input.lyx output.html And then import from Word. The reason for this --html option is that Word does not like the default XHTML too much. The same can be said for OpenOffice; I have had no luck importing from Abiword at all. Alex.
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:58:57 -0500 "Ethan Metsger" wrote: > On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:21:24 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής > wrote: > > > Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please > > under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody? > > It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10. > > The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went > smoothly, including some equations I threw in just for fun. The > formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings for > some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to > work pretty well. > > Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I > could break it, and it seemed to handle it ok. The formatting was > certainly FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were > all there. > > Best, > > Ethan > > I have mentioned this before, but even I keep forgetting it. oolatex (the script in tex4ht that does the conversion to OO files) will choke on the non-Sun Java JRE that is installed by default on Debian. It looks like it runs, but gives an empty document. I have converted textbooks of some 600 pages using many cross-references, multiple indexes and bibliographies using the Memoir class. It is seldom perfect, but plenty good enough for publishers (I think mine still uses hot type, but I could be mistaken :-)). Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:51:50 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής
wrote:
(
I also load the packages {lscape}{graphicx}{epsfig} in the Preamble. Any
possible conflict here?
)
I don't know of any reason this would be a problem--like I said, Beamer
presentations were converted, although the formatting was lost and very
ugly. I don't use ODF much at all, so I honestly can't tell you what
could be wrong. You can check the output of the tex4ht process if you run
lyx in a terminal. Maybe it will provide some additional clues.
Best,
Ethan
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 08:43 -0700, Rob Oakes wrote: > Hi Nikos, > > To get ODF to work, you must have Sun Java installed from the > restricted repositories. If you don't install that version, it won't > work. I'll check this out although I think I have Sun's java as default in my system. Thank you, Nikos signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:17:57 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote:
>
> > That's good news. Do you use labels/indices in your .lyx document?
> > [ Hmmm... my attempts (today) produce only an empty .odt file :-( ]
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 10:42 -0500, Ethan Metsger wrote:
> I put together the attached files. It doesn't look like the references
> are perfectly resolved, though for the most part it seems okay to me.
> Again, this is pretty simple, and I haven't done much work with indexing
> and cross-reference in my documents, but for the most part it seems okay.
>
> It didn't work when I embedded Unicode (no surprises there), but the
> export otherwise worked nicely enough. My Ubuntu install is pretty stock,
> outside of whatever work requirements for development are installed--I
> haven't installed anything extra that should make it work differently for
> you.
Thanks, works as expected! Seems that the problem is my complex (?)
article (still I use the normal article document class though).
(
I also load the packages {lscape}{graphicx}{epsfig} in the Preamble. Any
possible conflict here?
)
Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Hi Nikos, To get ODF to work, you must have Sun Java installed from the restricted repositories. If you don't install that version, it won't work. Cheers, Rob Oakes Sent from Rob's Palm On Mar 3, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής uni-freiburg.de> wrote: Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody? Ethan Metsger wrote: It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10. The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went smoothly, including some equations I threw in just for fun. That's good news. Do you use labels/indices in your .lyx document? [ Hmmm... my attempts (today) produce only an empty .odt file :-( ] The formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings for some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to work pretty well. Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I could break it, and it seemed to handle it ok. The formatting was certainly FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were all there. That's positive :-). Hopefully one day it'll be a single-step away to get an acceptable conversion (of what can be actually converted) to the most widespread formats :-) Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > Please, let me know if I am doing something wrong, or forgot an > important package to install. > apt-get install tex4ht latex2rtf At some point the tex4ht package in Debian was not working but now it is in good shape, I think. Nevertheless tex4ht is a complex and fragile beast. Specially at the end of an odt conversion, tex4ht uses a small java program to create the odt zip file and that program only works with the sun java (curse, curse java). It is better to run tex4ht from the command line on an exported LaTeX file than to do it from the menu. There, you can see the error messages. Charles
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: > > Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please under > > Ubuntu/ Debian somebody? Ethan Metsger wrote: > It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10. > > The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went smoothly, > including some equations I threw in just for fun. That's good news. Do you use labels/indices in your .lyx document? [ Hmmm... my attempts (today) produce only an empty .odt file :-( ] > The formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings > for some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to > work pretty well. > Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I could > break it, and it seemed to handle it ok. The formatting was certainly > FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were all there. That's positive :-). Hopefully one day it'll be a single-step away to get an acceptable conversion (of what can be actually converted) to the most widespread formats :-) Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:21:24 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody? It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10. The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went smoothly, including some equations I threw in just for fun. The formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings for some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to work pretty well. Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I could break it, and it seemed to handle it ok. The formatting was certainly FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were all there. Best, Ethan
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Νίκος Αλεξανδρής schrieb: All this is very far from what the statement implies (e.g. out-of-the-box import/export). Isn't, this statement, a bit/too much? Personally, I agree with you but there are several users around using tex4ht on TeXLive who are confident with the OpenDocument conversion capabilities of tex4ht. Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody? OK, then please report this issue again on the lyx-devel mailing list. If there is nobody who can show you that it works, we'll remove the statement about the converters from our web page. regards Uwe
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Νίκος Αλεξανδρής wrote: In the Features [1] page the visitor reads, among other details: "Import and export to many formats (LaTeX, PDF, Postscript, DVI, ASCII, HTML, OpenDocument, RTF, MS Word, and others) thanks to configurable converters". Am I the only LyX user who is having so much trouble to export .lyx files in these file formats? Please, let me know how I could export, _without_ the need to search in the internet for just a simple example, lets say to... M$ Windowz. The conversions depends on external software. This must be installed before conversion is possible. Some conversions can be done in several ways, with different programs. Some programs do a better job than others, so you might get bad results if all you have is the worst program. Do not expect all the conversions to yield good results in all cases. Most of the formats you can export to, is only partially compatible with LyX. So the converted document will at best be different, and at worst be useless. Conversion to latex is about the only conversion that always works perfectly. Conversions to pdf, dvi and postscript goes through latex and is normally perfect. But documents using special features may fail in some of these conversions. For example, dvi does not support pstricks. All other formats have less than perfect conversions. ASCII obviously looses most of the formatting, as it doesn't support fonts and images. But then, nobody expects more from ASCII. Not all features are supported in HTML, so some things may be missing. Still, LyX can be ok for writing html if you avoid some features. opendocument/rtf/word is particularly troublesome. The three are compatible, and therefore all have the same problems. This is a word processor format with a simpler feature set than LyX, so a perfect conversion will never be possible. In particular, any such conversion will loose the good line and page breaking and the hyphenation that LyX does so well. After conversion, a document can merely look like a word document, not better. Also, this converter is far from finished. Much better conversion to word is _possible_, but it looks like nobody/few is interested in working on that for free. Developers tend to want to improve LyX itself rather than the converters, removing the need for word rather than adding compatibility. Helge Hafting
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Νίκος: > > > All this is very far from what the statement implies (e.g. > > > out-of-the-box import/export). Isn't, this statement, a bit/too much? Uwe: > > Personally, I agree with you but there are several users around using > > tex4ht on TeXLive who are > > confident with the OpenDocument conversion capabilities of tex4ht. (Just for the records) # install texlive sudo apt-get install texlive #run texhash sudo texhash # reconfigure LyX (...a couple of times?) # quit & re-launch LyX - Indeed, some entries (HTML and OpenDocument) poped-up in the import/export options. - HTML seems to work (but I could perform this, .tex>.html, before, also using texmacs) and its more or less acceptable. - OpenDocument doesn't work as already mentioned several time in the list. Perhaps it works with (over-)simple(-ified) documents (?) - Export to HTML (M$-Word) (that is the option under export) != M$-Word (what the "Features" page implies). - .rtf still does not work. Please, let me know if I am doing something wrong, or forgot an important package to install. Kind regards, Nikos signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 02:40 +0100, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 02.03.2010 23:03, schrieb Νίκος Αλεξανδρής: > > > All this is very far from what the statement implies (e.g. > > out-of-the-box import/export). Isn't, this statement, a bit/too much? > > Personally, I agree with you but there are several users around using tex4ht > on TeXLive who are > confident with the OpenDocument conversion capabilities of tex4ht. Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody? > On the other side too much advertisement doesn't harm. Even when exporting > fails, new users are at > least attracted to test out LyX. Well, I am not against "advertisement" so to say. Not even against some more aggressive propaganda. But I consider it as justified when its true, honest. This is one of the things I really appreciate in the Open-Source community, the honesty of people who simply say: << Heck, no! Our programs have bugs and they are far from being perfect just because there is no such thing as a bug-free/perfect program. We believe that the open-source approach brings tools of higher quality, that can satisfy individual needs. This is afterall why the community is an important element of the whole idea. And the Open-Source (business) model, given there is good coordination, can actually bring plenty and fair job opportunities. There is room for everybody. >> Stating something that is not exactly true isn't the best strategy in the long-run. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Am 02.03.2010 23:03, schrieb Νίκος Αλεξανδρής: All this is very far from what the statement implies (e.g. out-of-the-box import/export). Isn't, this statement, a bit/too much? Personally, I agree with you but there are several users around using tex4ht on TeXLive who are confident with the OpenDocument conversion capabilities of tex4ht. On the other side too much advertisement doesn't harm. Even when exporting fails, new users are at least attracted to test out LyX. regards Uwe
Re: Import and export to many formats...
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 22:19 +0100, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Νίκος Αλεξανδρής schrieb: > > > In the Features [1] page the visitor reads, among other details: > > > > "Import and export to many formats (LaTeX, PDF, Postscript, DVI, ASCII, > > HTML, OpenDocument, RTF, MS Word, and others) thanks to configurable > > converters". > > It works when you have tex4ht installed. This is a program compilation > delivered with LaTeX-distributions. The export chain is then > LyX->OpenDocument (via the LyX Export menu) and then via OpenOffice or > AbiWord from OpenDocument to MSWord. > > tex4ht can also convert to RTF (personally I never tested this). > > But the good news is that there is a beautiful and well working program > available to export LyX ->HTML Its name is eLyXer. When you install LyX > using my alternative Windows installer, this program is automatically > installed. It is accessed when using the LyX menu Export->HTML. > Starting with the HTML file you can easily create OpenDocument or MSWord > files using OpenOffice, MSWord or other word processors like KOffice and > AbiWord. > > But not enough, LyX 2.0 will come with native HTML export making the > export business more comfortable. > > regards Uwe Thanks Uwe. Fortunately or Unfortunately, I am aware of all the things you mention. - I've tried several times tex4ht (not good results, if at all) - I have never seen by-default installed the LyX -> .odt option - I never got a working .rtf - I've been testing eLyXer since its first days (thanks to Alexander again for this nice tool) - I (also?) believe the best way (currently) is to export (somehow) in html and then OOo/abiword -> M$-Word. All this is very far from what the statement implies (e.g. out-of-the-box import/export). Isn't, this statement, a bit/too much? Cheers, Nikos
Re: Import and export to many formats...
Νίκος Αλεξανδρής schrieb: In the Features [1] page the visitor reads, among other details: "Import and export to many formats (LaTeX, PDF, Postscript, DVI, ASCII, HTML, OpenDocument, RTF, MS Word, and others) thanks to configurable converters". It works when you have tex4ht installed. This is a program compilation delivered with LaTeX-distributions. The export chain is then LyX->OpenDocument (via the LyX Export menu) and then via OpenOffice or AbiWord from OpenDocument to MSWord. tex4ht can also convert to RTF (personally I never tested this). But the good news is that there is a beautiful and well working program available to export LyX ->HTML Its name is eLyXer. When you install LyX using my alternative Windows installer, this program is automatically installed. It is accessed when using the LyX menu Export->HTML. Starting with the HTML file you can easily create OpenDocument or MSWord files using OpenOffice, MSWord or other word processors like KOffice and AbiWord. But not enough, LyX 2.0 will come with native HTML export making the export business more comfortable. regards Uwe
Import and export to many formats...
In the Features [1] page the visitor reads, among other details: "Import and export to many formats (LaTeX, PDF, Postscript, DVI, ASCII, HTML, OpenDocument, RTF, MS Word, and others) thanks to configurable converters". Am I the only LyX user who is having so much trouble to export .lyx files in these file formats? Please, let me know how I could export, _without_ the need to search in the internet for just a simple example, lets say to... M$ Windowz. Otherwise, this statement is inaccurate (WRT to M$-Word, .odt and .rtf as well) and should, therefore, be removed from the web-page. For me, this painless export to .rtf never worked. Thanks, Nikos --- http://www.lyx.org/Features signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
