SV: lyx latex-import problem

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Hi


Please file a bug report if the file is not secret (or if you can easily
create a non-secret one).

For the time it is secret :), but in a couple of weeks it would not be so I'll
have a look at it then.

Yes. You have two options:

1) Add the line

\sindex[]{translate} %splitidx.sty
to the file lib/syntax.default in your LyX installation, and import the file
Zagain. This should produce correct ERT.

I will try this when the next iteration of abstracts are ready.


2) Get the current BRANCH_2_0_X from svn or wait for 2.0.4. This will create
real index insets for \sindex.

or this if the first does not work :)

Ingar

SV: lyx latex-import problem

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Hi


Please file a bug report if the file is not secret (or if you can easily
create a non-secret one).

For the time it is secret :), but in a couple of weeks it would not be so I'll
have a look at it then.

Yes. You have two options:

1) Add the line

\sindex[]{translate} %splitidx.sty
to the file lib/syntax.default in your LyX installation, and import the file
Zagain. This should produce correct ERT.

I will try this when the next iteration of abstracts are ready.


2) Get the current BRANCH_2_0_X from svn or wait for 2.0.4. This will create
real index insets for \sindex.

or this if the first does not work :)

Ingar

SV: lyx latex-import problem

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Hi


>Please file a bug report if the file is not secret (or if you can easily
>create a non-secret one).

For the time it is secret :), but in a couple of weeks it would not be so I'll
have a look at it then.

>Yes. You have two options:
>
>1) Add the line
>
>\sindex[]{translate} %splitidx.sty
>to the file lib/syntax.default in your LyX installation, and import the file
Zagain. This should produce correct ERT.

I will try this when the next iteration of abstracts are ready.

>
>2) Get the current BRANCH_2_0_X from svn or wait for 2.0.4. This will create
>real index insets for \sindex.

or this if the first does not work :)

Ingar

Re: lyx latex-import problem

[Georg Baum]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:

 Hi
 
 I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that
 produces simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file
 and imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have
 problem with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not
 recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.
 
 I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX  search within ERT it uses
 all memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been working
 on the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the box has 4G
 of ram, so something seems to be amiss)

Please file a bug report if the file is not secret (or if you can easily 
create a non-secret one).

 Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
 manually, but automated is better :)

Yes. You have two options:

1) Add the line

\sindex[]{translate} %splitidx.sty

to the file lib/syntax.default in your LyX installation, and import the file 
again. This should produce correct ERT.

2) Get the current BRANCH_2_0_X from svn or wait for 2.0.4. This will create 
real index insets for \sindex.


Georg

Re: lyx latex-import problem

[Georg Baum]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:

 Hi
 
 I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that
 produces simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file
 and imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have
 problem with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not
 recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.
 
 I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX  search within ERT it uses
 all memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been working
 on the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the box has 4G
 of ram, so something seems to be amiss)

Please file a bug report if the file is not secret (or if you can easily 
create a non-secret one).

 Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
 manually, but automated is better :)

Yes. You have two options:

1) Add the line

\sindex[]{translate} %splitidx.sty

to the file lib/syntax.default in your LyX installation, and import the file 
again. This should produce correct ERT.

2) Get the current BRANCH_2_0_X from svn or wait for 2.0.4. This will create 
real index insets for \sindex.


Georg

Re: lyx latex-import problem

[Georg Baum]

Ingar Pareliussen wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that
> produces simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file
> and imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have
> problem with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not
> recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.
> 
> I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX  search within ERT it uses
> all memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been working
> on the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the box has 4G
> of ram, so something seems to be amiss)

Please file a bug report if the file is not secret (or if you can easily 
create a non-secret one).

> Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
> manually, but automated is better :)

Yes. You have two options:

1) Add the line

\sindex[]{translate} %splitidx.sty

to the file lib/syntax.default in your LyX installation, and import the file 
again. This should produce correct ERT.

2) Get the current BRANCH_2_0_X from svn or wait for 2.0.4. This will create 
real index insets for \sindex.


Georg

Re: lyx latex-import problem

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-02-19, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
 Hi

 I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that produces
 simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file and
 imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have problem
 with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not 
 recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.

 I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX search within ERT it
 uses all memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been
 working on the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the
 box has 4G of ram, so something seems to be amiss)

 Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
 manually, but automated is better :)

Edit the lyx source in a text editor?
If the important part is inside ERT, this should be quite simple.

Günter

Re: lyx latex-import problem

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-02-19, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
 Hi

 I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that produces
 simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file and
 imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have problem
 with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not 
 recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.

 I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX search within ERT it
 uses all memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been
 working on the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the
 box has 4G of ram, so something seems to be amiss)

 Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
 manually, but automated is better :)

Edit the lyx source in a text editor?
If the important part is inside ERT, this should be quite simple.

Günter

Re: lyx latex-import problem

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-02-19, Ingar Pareliussen wrote:
> Hi

> I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that produces
> simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file and
> imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have problem
> with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not 
> recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.

> I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX search within ERT it
> uses all memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been
> working on the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the
> box has 4G of ram, so something seems to be amiss)

> Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
> manually, but automated is better :)

Edit the lyx source in a text editor?
If the important part is inside ERT, this should be quite simple.

Günter

lyx latex-import problem

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Hi

I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that 
produces simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file
and imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have 
problem with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not 
recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.

I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX  search within ERT it uses all 
memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been working on 
the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the box has 4G of ram,
so something seems to be amiss)

Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
manually, but automated is better :)

Linux and LyX 2.0.2

Ingar 

lyx latex-import problem

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Hi

I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that 
produces simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file
and imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have 
problem with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not 
recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.

I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX  search within ERT it uses all 
memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been working on 
the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the box has 4G of ram,
so something seems to be amiss)

Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
manually, but automated is better :)

Linux and LyX 2.0.2

Ingar 

lyx latex-import problem

[Ingar Pareliussen]

Hi

I have a couple of hundred abstracts from a web form that 
produces simple LaTeX files. I have cat'ed them into one big LaTeX file
and imported it to LyX. This works for the most part, but I have 
problem with \sindex that needs a option i [index_name] which is not 
recognized by LyX and therefor not put into ERT.

I tried to get search replace it, but when LyX  search within ERT it uses all 
memory and even if it seems to do the right thing it has been working on 
the file for a couple of hours... (file is only 300k and the box has 4G of ram,
so something seems to be amiss)

Is there some advice on how to do this more efficient? I could do it
manually, but automated is better :)

Linux and LyX 2.0.2

Ingar 

Re: latex import problem

[Georg Baum]

Sanda Pavel wrote:

 Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
 See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
 
 that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
 version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :)
 compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
 i will wait for 1.4 release.

tex2lyx does not help in this case. The reason is the non-standard command
\textoverset which is not supported by LyX.
Form your file it seems that \textoverset takes two text arguments (the
style files are not readable):

\textoverset{${\mathchar0362}$'}{$\sigma$}=\frac{1}{T}

rewrite that as 

\overset{{\mathchar0362}'}{\sigma}=\frac{1}{T}

and everything should work.


Georg

Re: latex import problem

[Georg Baum]

Sanda Pavel wrote:

 Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
 See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
 
 that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
 version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :)
 compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
 i will wait for 1.4 release.

tex2lyx does not help in this case. The reason is the non-standard command
\textoverset which is not supported by LyX.
Form your file it seems that \textoverset takes two text arguments (the
style files are not readable):

\textoverset{${\mathchar0362}$'}{$\sigma$}=\frac{1}{T}

rewrite that as 

\overset{{\mathchar0362}'}{\sigma}=\frac{1}{T}

and everything should work.


Georg

Re: latex import problem

[Georg Baum]

Sanda Pavel wrote:

>> Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
>> See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
> 
> that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
> version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :)
> compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
> i will wait for 1.4 release.

tex2lyx does not help in this case. The reason is the non-standard command
\textoverset which is not supported by LyX.
Form your file it seems that \textoverset takes two text arguments (the
style files are not readable):

\textoverset{${\mathchar"0362}$'}{$\sigma$}=\frac{1}{T}

rewrite that as 

\overset{{\mathchar"0362}'}{\sigma}=\frac{1}{T}

and everything should work.


Georg

Re: latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

 the  input file all that well. You must not rely on assumptions that  con-

 version  in both ways (namely LyX - LaTeX) is non-lossy. If you collabo-


i expected that the conversion wont be identical. what makes wondering is that  
 
immediatelly after import, LyX in fact HAS correct representation, i.e. is able
to export it properly to latex, pdf etc., but looses this correctness via
save/close/open operation, which i wouldnt expected... 


have a nice day 
pavel

Re: latex import problem

[Nusret BALCI]

Sanda,
Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
versions.
Just an idea...
Regards,
Nusret

--- Sanda Pavel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  the  input file all that well. You must not rely
 on assumptions that  con-   

  version  in both ways (namely LyX - LaTeX) is
 non-lossy. If you collabo-  
 
 
 i expected that the conversion wont be identical.
 what makes wondering is that   
 immediatelly after import, LyX in fact HAS correct
 representation, i.e. is able
 to export it properly to latex, pdf etc., but looses
 this correctness via
 save/close/open operation, which i wouldnt
 expected... 
 
 
 have a nice day 
 pavel
 





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Re: latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

 Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
 See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available

that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :) 
compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
i will wait for 1.4 release.

thanks for pointing out
pavel

Re: latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Sunday 20 November 2005 14:47, Sanda Pavel wrote:
  Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
  See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available

 that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
 version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :)
 compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
 i will wait for 1.4 release.

  You can get the 1.4 version of lyx2lyx to revert back to 1.3.x format, 
actually as soon as 1.4.0 is released 1.3.7 will be released this way, with 
the ability to read 1.4.x files.

 thanks for pointing out
 pavel

  I hope this helps,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: latex import problem

[Nusret BALCI]

Actually, that page contains links to backports.
from the page:
**
tex2lyx will be part of the upcoming 1.4 release of
LyX. This page page describes its use with older LyXes
(such as the current stable release, LyX 1.3.x) and
provides some ready-to-use packages. 

***
Namely, you can find a version suitable for your LyX
setup. Of course, if you want to try :). I don't even
know whether it will make a difference for you, but it
worked for me after some search-replace.
Regards,

Nusret




--- Sanda Pavel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better
 results.
  See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for
 available
 
 that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed
 by the older
 version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :) 
 compiling devel release is not easy for my
 configuration now, so
 i will wait for 1.4 release.
 
 thanks for pointing out
 pavel
 




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Re: latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

 the  input file all that well. You must not rely on assumptions that  con-

 version  in both ways (namely LyX - LaTeX) is non-lossy. If you collabo-


i expected that the conversion wont be identical. what makes wondering is that  
 
immediatelly after import, LyX in fact HAS correct representation, i.e. is able
to export it properly to latex, pdf etc., but looses this correctness via
save/close/open operation, which i wouldnt expected... 


have a nice day 
pavel

Re: latex import problem

[Nusret BALCI]

Sanda,
Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
versions.
Just an idea...
Regards,
Nusret

--- Sanda Pavel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  the  input file all that well. You must not rely
 on assumptions that  con-   

  version  in both ways (namely LyX - LaTeX) is
 non-lossy. If you collabo-  
 
 
 i expected that the conversion wont be identical.
 what makes wondering is that   
 immediatelly after import, LyX in fact HAS correct
 representation, i.e. is able
 to export it properly to latex, pdf etc., but looses
 this correctness via
 save/close/open operation, which i wouldnt
 expected... 
 
 
 have a nice day 
 pavel
 





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Re: latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

 Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
 See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available

that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :) 
compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
i will wait for 1.4 release.

thanks for pointing out
pavel

Re: latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Sunday 20 November 2005 14:47, Sanda Pavel wrote:
  Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
  See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available

 that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
 version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :)
 compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
 i will wait for 1.4 release.

  You can get the 1.4 version of lyx2lyx to revert back to 1.3.x format, 
actually as soon as 1.4.0 is released 1.3.7 will be released this way, with 
the ability to read 1.4.x files.

 thanks for pointing out
 pavel

  I hope this helps,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: latex import problem

[Nusret BALCI]

Actually, that page contains links to backports.
from the page:
**
tex2lyx will be part of the upcoming 1.4 release of
LyX. This page page describes its use with older LyXes
(such as the current stable release, LyX 1.3.x) and
provides some ready-to-use packages. 

***
Namely, you can find a version suitable for your LyX
setup. Of course, if you want to try :). I don't even
know whether it will make a difference for you, but it
worked for me after some search-replace.
Regards,

Nusret




--- Sanda Pavel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better
 results.
  See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for
 available
 
 that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed
 by the older
 version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :) 
 compiling devel release is not easy for my
 configuration now, so
 i will wait for 1.4 release.
 
 thanks for pointing out
 pavel
 




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Re: latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

> the  input file all that well. You must not rely on assumptions that  con-
>
> version  in both ways (namely LyX <-> LaTeX) is non-lossy. If you collabo-
>

i expected that the conversion wont be identical. what makes wondering is that  
 
immediatelly after import, LyX in fact HAS correct representation, i.e. is able
to export it properly to latex, pdf etc., but looses this correctness via
save/close/open operation, which i wouldnt expected... 


have a nice day 
pavel

Re: latex import problem

[Nusret BALCI]

Sanda,
Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
versions.
Just an idea...
Regards,
Nusret

--- Sanda Pavel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > the  input file all that well. You must not rely
> on assumptions that  con-   
>
> > version  in both ways (namely LyX <-> LaTeX) is
> non-lossy. If you collabo-  
> 
> 
> i expected that the conversion wont be identical.
> what makes wondering is that   
> immediatelly after import, LyX in fact HAS correct
> representation, i.e. is able
> to export it properly to latex, pdf etc., but looses
> this correctness via
> save/close/open operation, which i wouldnt
> expected... 
> 
> 
> have a nice day 
> pavel
> 





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Re: latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

> Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
> See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available

that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :) 
compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
i will wait for 1.4 release.

thanks for pointing out
pavel

Re: latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Sunday 20 November 2005 14:47, Sanda Pavel wrote:
> > Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better results.
> > See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for available
>
> that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed by the older
> version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :)
> compiling devel release is not easy for my configuration now, so
> i will wait for 1.4 release.

  You can get the 1.4 version of lyx2lyx to revert back to 1.3.x format, 
actually as soon as 1.4.0 is released 1.3.7 will be released this way, with 
the ability to read 1.4.x files.

> thanks for pointing out
> pavel

  I hope this helps,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: latex import problem

[Nusret BALCI]

Actually, that page contains links to "backports".
from the page:
**
"tex2lyx will be part of the upcoming 1.4 release of
LyX. This page page describes its use with older LyXes
(such as the current stable release, LyX 1.3.x) and
provides some ready-to-use packages. "

***
Namely, you can find a version suitable for your LyX
setup. Of course, if you want to try :). I don't even
know whether it will make a difference for you, but it
worked for me after some search-replace.
Regards,

Nusret




--- Sanda Pavel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Did you try tex2lyx? It may give you better
> results.
> > See http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx for
> available
> 
> that produces lyx, which cant be corectly displayed
> by the older
> version then lyx 1.4 (which is not yet :) 
> compiling devel release is not easy for my
> configuration now, so
> i will wait for 1.4 release.
> 
> thanks for pointing out
> pavel
> 




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Re: latex import problem

[Roy Schestowitz]

_/ On Fri 18 Nov 2005 19:38:34 GMT, [Sanda Pavel] wrote : \_


hi all,

i'm trying to import some latex files into lyx, but lyx
plays funny games with me.



My  personal  experience has shown that import of LaTeX into  LyX  suffers
from a few incompatibilities (or gaps), especially when mathematical equa-
tions  or  tables are involved. Even though these equations may produce  a
fine  outcome,  they often rely as some hacks which are 'glue' that  makes
them (loosely) work.



after import into lyx all the formulas look fine, export works etc,
but when i save+close+reopen the lyx file, it
is no longer exportable and also information about symbols in
the formulas change from Type:equation to Type:None.



I have opened your LyX file. I then imported your LaTeX file, but the out-
come  was not at all identical. In fact, I believe that LyX did not devour
the  input file all that well. You must not rely on assumptions that  con-
version  in both ways (namely LyX - LaTeX) is non-lossy. If you collabo-
rate on a document with someone who does not use LyX, expect difficulties.
You  might  also come across that constant need for manual  correction  of
bits that are translated badly and layout that goes awry.



is there any way, how to globally change all the symbols Type back
into equation ?



I  suggest you try the search and replace function, which is available  in
most editors. If you handle a large number of files and make changes cohe-
sively,  I advise that you consider the command 'sed'. Having said that, I
think you are after something altgother different.



afaik the symbol in math mode is usually simple - how it differs ?

i'm not sure whether the latex code is correct, because its
just export from another editor from which i'm trying to port my files,
so i saved one small example in 195.113.31.123/~sanda/lyx

using lyx 1.3.5 on gentoo.

thanks for any help

pavel



The output from that other editor might not be very elegant. I suggest you
try

pdflatex *.tex

and  see  if any warnings are triggered or errors 'coughed out'.  Ideally,
all imports and exports would be non-lossy. Perhaps they are, but in prac-
tice,  there are too many non-compliant, non-standardised uses  (misuses).
TeX  (or LyX or whatever) hacks will not prevent one from getting that fi-
nal  output.  Since TeX is not overly restrictive and is often lenient,  I
always  expect  trouble when converting, changing version, or  changing  a
platform.

Hope it helps,

Roy

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Re: latex import problem

[Roy Schestowitz]

_/ On Fri 18 Nov 2005 19:38:34 GMT, [Sanda Pavel] wrote : \_


hi all,

i'm trying to import some latex files into lyx, but lyx
plays funny games with me.



My  personal  experience has shown that import of LaTeX into  LyX  suffers
from a few incompatibilities (or gaps), especially when mathematical equa-
tions  or  tables are involved. Even though these equations may produce  a
fine  outcome,  they often rely as some hacks which are 'glue' that  makes
them (loosely) work.



after import into lyx all the formulas look fine, export works etc,
but when i save+close+reopen the lyx file, it
is no longer exportable and also information about symbols in
the formulas change from Type:equation to Type:None.



I have opened your LyX file. I then imported your LaTeX file, but the out-
come  was not at all identical. In fact, I believe that LyX did not devour
the  input file all that well. You must not rely on assumptions that  con-
version  in both ways (namely LyX - LaTeX) is non-lossy. If you collabo-
rate on a document with someone who does not use LyX, expect difficulties.
You  might  also come across that constant need for manual  correction  of
bits that are translated badly and layout that goes awry.



is there any way, how to globally change all the symbols Type back
into equation ?



I  suggest you try the search and replace function, which is available  in
most editors. If you handle a large number of files and make changes cohe-
sively,  I advise that you consider the command 'sed'. Having said that, I
think you are after something altgother different.



afaik the symbol in math mode is usually simple - how it differs ?

i'm not sure whether the latex code is correct, because its
just export from another editor from which i'm trying to port my files,
so i saved one small example in 195.113.31.123/~sanda/lyx

using lyx 1.3.5 on gentoo.

thanks for any help

pavel



The output from that other editor might not be very elegant. I suggest you
try

pdflatex *.tex

and  see  if any warnings are triggered or errors 'coughed out'.  Ideally,
all imports and exports would be non-lossy. Perhaps they are, but in prac-
tice,  there are too many non-compliant, non-standardised uses  (misuses).
TeX  (or LyX or whatever) hacks will not prevent one from getting that fi-
nal  output.  Since TeX is not overly restrictive and is often lenient,  I
always  expect  trouble when converting, changing version, or  changing  a
platform.

Hope it helps,

Roy

--
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http://Schestowitz.com  |SuSE Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
 5:55am  up 17 days  1:49,  5 users,  load average: 0.17, 0.40, 0.52

Re: latex import problem

[Roy Schestowitz]

_/ On Fri 18 Nov 2005 19:38:34 GMT, [Sanda Pavel] wrote : \_


hi all,

i'm trying to import some latex files into lyx, but lyx
plays funny games with me.



My  personal  experience has shown that import of LaTeX into  LyX  suffers
from a few incompatibilities (or gaps), especially when mathematical equa-
tions  or  tables are involved. Even though these equations may produce  a
fine  outcome,  they often rely as some hacks which are 'glue' that  makes
them (loosely) work.



after import into lyx all the formulas look fine, export works etc,
but when i save+close+reopen the lyx file, it
is no longer exportable and also information about symbols in
the formulas change from "Type:equation" to "Type:None".



I have opened your LyX file. I then imported your LaTeX file, but the out-
come  was not at all identical. In fact, I believe that LyX did not devour
the  input file all that well. You must not rely on assumptions that  con-
version  in both ways (namely LyX <-> LaTeX) is non-lossy. If you collabo-
rate on a document with someone who does not use LyX, expect difficulties.
You  might  also come across that constant need for manual  correction  of
bits that are translated badly and layout that goes awry.



is there any way, how to globally change all the symbols "Type" back
into "equation" ?



I  suggest you try the search and replace function, which is available  in
most editors. If you handle a large number of files and make changes cohe-
sively,  I advise that you consider the command 'sed'. Having said that, I
think you are after something altgother different.



afaik the symbol in math mode is usually "simple" - how it differs ?

i'm not sure whether the latex code is correct, because its
just export from another editor from which i'm trying to port my files,
so i saved one small example in 195.113.31.123/~sanda/lyx

using lyx 1.3.5 on gentoo.

thanks for any help

pavel



The output from that other editor might not be very elegant. I suggest you
try

pdflatex *.tex

and  see  if any warnings are triggered or errors 'coughed out'.  Ideally,
all imports and exports would be non-lossy. Perhaps they are, but in prac-
tice,  there are too many non-compliant, non-standardised uses  (misuses).
TeX  (or LyX or whatever) hacks will not prevent one from getting that fi-
nal  output.  Since TeX is not overly restrictive and is often lenient,  I
always  expect  trouble when converting, changing version, or  changing  a
platform.

Hope it helps,

Roy

--
Roy S. Schestowitz
http://Schestowitz.com  |SuSE Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
 5:55am  up 17 days  1:49,  5 users,  load average: 0.17, 0.40, 0.52

latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

hi all,

i'm trying to import some latex files into lyx, but lyx
plays funny games with me.

after import into lyx all the formulas look fine, export works etc,
but when i save+close+reopen the lyx file, it
is no longer exportable and also information about symbols in
the formulas change from Type:equation to Type:None.

is there any way, how to globally change all the symbols Type back
into equation ? 
afaik the symbol in math mode is usually simple - how it differs ? 
 
i'm not sure whether the latex code is correct, because its 
just export from another editor from which i'm trying to port my files, 
so i saved one small example in 195.113.31.123/~sanda/lyx

using lyx 1.3.5 on gentoo.

thanks for any help 

pavel

latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

hi all,

i'm trying to import some latex files into lyx, but lyx
plays funny games with me.

after import into lyx all the formulas look fine, export works etc,
but when i save+close+reopen the lyx file, it
is no longer exportable and also information about symbols in
the formulas change from Type:equation to Type:None.

is there any way, how to globally change all the symbols Type back
into equation ? 
afaik the symbol in math mode is usually simple - how it differs ? 
 
i'm not sure whether the latex code is correct, because its 
just export from another editor from which i'm trying to port my files, 
so i saved one small example in 195.113.31.123/~sanda/lyx

using lyx 1.3.5 on gentoo.

thanks for any help 

pavel

latex import problem

[Sanda Pavel]

hi all,

i'm trying to import some latex files into lyx, but lyx
plays funny games with me.

after import into lyx all the formulas look fine, export works etc,
but when i save+close+reopen the lyx file, it
is no longer exportable and also information about symbols in
the formulas change from "Type:equation" to "Type:None".

is there any way, how to globally change all the symbols "Type" back
into "equation" ? 
afaik the symbol in math mode is usually "simple" - how it differs ? 
 
i'm not sure whether the latex code is correct, because its 
just export from another editor from which i'm trying to port my files, 
so i saved one small example in 195.113.31.123/~sanda/lyx

using lyx 1.3.5 on gentoo.

thanks for any help 

pavel

Re: Latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
 In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
 with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
 python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
 dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...

  Do you have any evidence of your claim?

  I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2 
(this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from 
later versions.

  If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 21:18, Luis Rivera wrote:
 Angus,
 I'm sorry I might have stepped on your toe.

You didn't. However, the best way to prevent misunderstandings from 
developing in an email correspondence is by being clear and firm that 
a particular statment is not correct.

Anyway, I'm glad that you are finding that reLyX is up to the task of 
handling your LaTeX files.

Regards,
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

Jose' Matos wrote:
 On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
 In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
 with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
 python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
 dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...
 
   Do you have any evidence of your claim?
 
   I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2
 (this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from
 later versions.
 
   If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of. My advice
still holds. Ruurd's python package has outlived its usefulness. All
Windows users should ditch it and get an official distribution from
www.python.org. That way we're all on the same playing field.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 10:02, Angus Leeming wrote:
 I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
 doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of.

  That is fair. I was not sure if this was a problem with Ruurd's port or 
with lyx2lyx itself, if the later then that was bug worth to fix for 1.4 as 
well for 1.3.6.

  Just playing safe here. :-)
-- 
José Abílio

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurd´s package
essential modules are missing.
Thomas Greiner

On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:

Jose' Matos wrote:
 On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
 In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
 with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
 python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
 dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...
 
   Do you have any evidence of your claim?
 
   I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2
 (this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from
 later versions.
 
   If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of. My advice
still holds. Ruurd's python package has outlived its usefulness. All
Windows users should ditch it and get an official distribution from
www.python.org. That way we're all on the same playing field.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

TGreiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurds package
 essential modules are missing.
 Thomas Greiner
 
 On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
 

It seems to be something like that... or I failed to redirect pythonpath to the 
right place.

Anyway, I compiled lyx2lyx into a self-contained executable (a couple of 
libraries required, all of them placed together), but I don't know how to post 
it to the Wiki.  This package may supersede Ruurd's distribution without 
having to install a full blooded Python. Any help?

Luis

Re: Latex import problem

[chr]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Luis Rivera wrote:

  Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurd´s package
  essential modules are missing.
  Thomas Greiner
  
  On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
  
 
 It seems to be something like that... or I failed to redirect pythonpath
 to the right place.
 
 Anyway, I compiled lyx2lyx into a self-contained executable (a couple of
 libraries required, all of them placed together), but I don't know how
 to post it to the Wiki.  This package may supersede Ruurd's distribution
 without having to install a full blooded Python. Any help?

How big is it? If it's less than 2 MB, you can simply upload it yourself 
by clicking on the 'upload' link at the top right corner of a wiki page. 
This will point you to

http://wiki.lyx.org/ipfm/login.php

where you login with the useername 'lyx' and password 'LyXers'. If it's
bigger than 2 MB, let me know where/how I can get a copy of it and I'll
upload it for you.

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: Latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
 In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
 with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
 python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
 dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...

  Do you have any evidence of your claim?

  I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2 
(this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from 
later versions.

  If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 21:18, Luis Rivera wrote:
 Angus,
 I'm sorry I might have stepped on your toe.

You didn't. However, the best way to prevent misunderstandings from 
developing in an email correspondence is by being clear and firm that 
a particular statment is not correct.

Anyway, I'm glad that you are finding that reLyX is up to the task of 
handling your LaTeX files.

Regards,
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

Jose' Matos wrote:
 On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
 In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
 with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
 python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
 dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...
 
   Do you have any evidence of your claim?
 
   I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2
 (this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from
 later versions.
 
   If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of. My advice
still holds. Ruurd's python package has outlived its usefulness. All
Windows users should ditch it and get an official distribution from
www.python.org. That way we're all on the same playing field.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 10:02, Angus Leeming wrote:
 I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
 doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of.

  That is fair. I was not sure if this was a problem with Ruurd's port or 
with lyx2lyx itself, if the later then that was bug worth to fix for 1.4 as 
well for 1.3.6.

  Just playing safe here. :-)
-- 
José Abílio

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurd´s package
essential modules are missing.
Thomas Greiner

On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:

Jose' Matos wrote:
 On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
 In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
 with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
 python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
 dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...
 
   Do you have any evidence of your claim?
 
   I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2
 (this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from
 later versions.
 
   If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of. My advice
still holds. Ruurd's python package has outlived its usefulness. All
Windows users should ditch it and get an official distribution from
www.python.org. That way we're all on the same playing field.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

TGreiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurds package
 essential modules are missing.
 Thomas Greiner
 
 On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
 

It seems to be something like that... or I failed to redirect pythonpath to the 
right place.

Anyway, I compiled lyx2lyx into a self-contained executable (a couple of 
libraries required, all of them placed together), but I don't know how to post 
it to the Wiki.  This package may supersede Ruurd's distribution without 
having to install a full blooded Python. Any help?

Luis

Re: Latex import problem

[chr]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Luis Rivera wrote:

  Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurd´s package
  essential modules are missing.
  Thomas Greiner
  
  On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
  
 
 It seems to be something like that... or I failed to redirect pythonpath
 to the right place.
 
 Anyway, I compiled lyx2lyx into a self-contained executable (a couple of
 libraries required, all of them placed together), but I don't know how
 to post it to the Wiki.  This package may supersede Ruurd's distribution
 without having to install a full blooded Python. Any help?

How big is it? If it's less than 2 MB, you can simply upload it yourself 
by clicking on the 'upload' link at the top right corner of a wiki page. 
This will point you to

http://wiki.lyx.org/ipfm/login.php

where you login with the useername 'lyx' and password 'LyXers'. If it's
bigger than 2 MB, let me know where/how I can get a copy of it and I'll
upload it for you.

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: Latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
> In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
> with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
> python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
> dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...

  Do you have any evidence of your claim?

  I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2 
(this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from 
later versions.

  If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 21:18, Luis Rivera wrote:
> Angus,
> I'm sorry I might have stepped on your toe.

You didn't. However, the best way to prevent misunderstandings from 
developing in an email correspondence is by being clear and firm that 
a particular statment is not correct.

Anyway, I'm glad that you are finding that reLyX is up to the task of 
handling your LaTeX files.

Regards,
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

Jose' Matos wrote:
> On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
>> In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
>> with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
>> python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
>> dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...
> 
>   Do you have any evidence of your claim?
> 
>   I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2
> (this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from
> later versions.
> 
>   If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.

I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of. My advice
still holds. Ruurd's python package has outlived its usefulness. All
Windows users should ditch it and get an official distribution from
www.python.org. That way we're all on the same playing field.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 19 May 2005 10:02, Angus Leeming wrote:
> I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
> doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of.

  That is fair. I was not sure if this was a problem with Ruurd's port or 
with lyx2lyx itself, if the later then that was bug worth to fix for 1.4 as 
well for 1.3.6.

  Just playing safe here. :-)
-- 
José Abílio

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurd´s package
essential modules are missing.
Thomas Greiner

On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:

>Jose' Matos wrote:
>> On Thursday 19 May 2005 02:49, Luis Rivera wrote:
>>> In fact, the newer lyx2lyx packed with tex2lyx (binary) is incompatible
>>> with the python version packed by Ruurd: the newest version requires
>>> python 2.3 at least, and Ruurd packed python 2.2.  So Angus was right:
>>> dump the python version packed by Ruurd, if you have no use for it...
>> 
>>   Do you have any evidence of your claim?
>> 
>>   I am puzzled because we have coded lyx2lyx to require only python 1.5.2
>> (this version was released in 1999). We have not used any feature from
>> later versions.
>> 
>>   If you know any such example please report it and we will fix it ASAP.
>
>I think that Luis is finding that Ruurd's stripped down python package
>doesn't include some of the modules that lyx2lyx makes use of. My advice
>still holds. Ruurd's python package has outlived its usefulness. All
>Windows users should ditch it and get an official distribution from
>www.python.org. That way we're all on the same playing field.
>
>-- 
>Angus
>

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

TGreiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> Yes , at first I tried the original version in RuurdÂs package
> essential modules are missing.
> Thomas Greiner
> 
> On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
> 

It seems to be something like that... or I failed to redirect pythonpath to the 
right place.

Anyway, I compiled lyx2lyx into a self-contained executable (a couple of 
libraries required, all of them placed together), but I don't know how to post 
it to the Wiki.  This package may supersede Ruurd's distribution without 
having to install a full blooded Python. Any help?

Luis

Re: Latex import problem

[chr]

On Thu, 19 May 2005, Luis Rivera wrote:

> > Yes , at first I tried the original version in Ruurd´s package
> > essential modules are missing.
> > Thomas Greiner
> > 
> > On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:02:40 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
> > 
> 
> It seems to be something like that... or I failed to redirect pythonpath
> to the right place.
> 
> Anyway, I compiled lyx2lyx into a self-contained executable (a couple of
> libraries required, all of them placed together), but I don't know how
> to post it to the Wiki.  This package may supersede Ruurd's distribution
> without having to install a full blooded Python. Any help?

How big is it? If it's less than 2 MB, you can simply upload it yourself 
by clicking on the 'upload' link at the top right corner of a wiki page. 
This will point you to

http://wiki.lyx.org/ipfm/login.php

where you login with the useername 'lyx' and password 'LyXers'. If it's
bigger than 2 MB, let me know where/how I can get a copy of it and I'll
upload it for you.

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
 Dear Angus,
 thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
 The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
 images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
 to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

$  qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide.lyx
$  ~/lyx/devel/build/src/tex2lyx/tex2lyx UserGuide.tex  
UserGuide_14x.lyx
$  python ~/lyx/devel/lib/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx --to 221 UserGuide_14x.lyx  
UserGuide_13x.lyx

Going on to export this round-tripped version of the User Guide to 
latex and running latex twice over both UserGuide.tex and 
UserGuide_13x.tex
$ qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide_13x.lyx
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide_13x
$ latex UserGuide_13x

produces two .dvi files, UserGuide.dvi, the compiled version of the 
original UserGuide.lyx and UserGuide_13x.dvi, the compiled version of 
the round-tripped file.

$ ls -l UserGuide.dvi UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497972 May 18 10:22 UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497800 May 18 10:22 UserGuide.dvi

Note that there is a small difference in size between the two, 
indicating that conversion lyx-tex-lyx was not perfect, but the 
difference is pretty small. So far, I've been unable to see any 
human-visible differences.

Regards,
Angus

ps, please post to the lyx-users list.
A.

 On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:23:53 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
 Luis Rivera wrote:
  AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx
  translates LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx
  converts it to the right version of LyX format you may be using:
  221, for LyX 1.3.5
 
 That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible
  mish-mash of different file formats that must somehow be
  deciphered by lyx2lyx.
 
 tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241,
  which must then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX
  1.3.5 can understand it.
 
  I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
  incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert
  the output to LyX 221 anyway.
 
  tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two
  things that it does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most
  'reasonable' LaTeX and generate a consistent .lyx file.
 
 If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE
  bring them forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it.
  However, please do not suggest to people on this list that they
  use reLyX in preference to tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and
  unsupported nightmare.
 
 --
 Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:

python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx
'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
o: Invalid LyX format

Thomas Greiner

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
 Dear Angus,
 thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
 The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
 images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
 to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

$  qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide.lyx
$  ~/lyx/devel/build/src/tex2lyx/tex2lyx UserGuide.tex  
UserGuide_14x.lyx
$  python ~/lyx/devel/lib/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx --to 221 UserGuide_14x.lyx  
UserGuide_13x.lyx

Going on to export this round-tripped version of the User Guide to 
latex and running latex twice over both UserGuide.tex and 
UserGuide_13x.tex
$ qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide_13x.lyx
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide_13x
$ latex UserGuide_13x

produces two .dvi files, UserGuide.dvi, the compiled version of the 
original UserGuide.lyx and UserGuide_13x.dvi, the compiled version of 
the round-tripped file.

$ ls -l UserGuide.dvi UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497972 May 18 10:22 UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497800 May 18 10:22 UserGuide.dvi

Note that there is a small difference in size between the two, 
indicating that conversion lyx-tex-lyx was not perfect, but the 
difference is pretty small. So far, I've been unable to see any 
human-visible differences.

Regards,
Angus

ps, please post to the lyx-users list.
A.

 On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:23:53 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
 Luis Rivera wrote:
  AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx
  translates LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx
  converts it to the right version of LyX format you may be using:
  221, for LyX 1.3.5
 
 That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible
  mish-mash of different file formats that must somehow be
  deciphered by lyx2lyx.
 
 tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241,
  which must then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX
  1.3.5 can understand it.
 
  I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
  incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert
  the output to LyX 221 anyway.
 
  tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two
  things that it does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most
  'reasonable' LaTeX and generate a consistent .lyx file.
 
 If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE
  bring them forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it.
  However, please do not suggest to people on this list that they
  use reLyX in preference to tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and
  unsupported nightmare.
 
 --
 Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:

 a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
 images but no more the original text of the Latex-file

Could you post your original .tex file that you cannot convert to LyX 1.4
format using tex2lyx. If you don't want to post it to the list, then post
it to leeming AT lyx DOT org.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Sven Schreiber]

TGreiner wrote:

 a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
 images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
 b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
 
 python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx
 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
 o: Invalid LyX format

I think I had the same problem once (on Windows); it seems the bundled
python interpreter that comes with lyx1.3.5 on win is a little too
stripped down (bear in mind windows is not really a target platform of
1.3.5). You could install the full python and/or make sure the right
python variant is in your PATH.
hth, sven

Re: Latex import problem

[Kornel Benko]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 13:26, Sven Schreiber wrote:
 TGreiner wrote:
 
  a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
  images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
  b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
  
  python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx

this should be either '-t' or '--to'

e.g.
python lyx2lyx -t 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx


Regards
Kornel

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Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

-t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
Thomas

On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:52 +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 13:26, Sven Schreiber wrote:
 TGreiner wrote:
 
  a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
  images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
  b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
  
  python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx

this should be either '-t' or '--to'

e.g.
   python lyx2lyx -t 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx


   Regards
   Kornel

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+49 30 3377 6216

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:
-t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
Thomas
... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.

Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
get a real python package from www.python.org.

Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Jean-Pierre Chretien]

From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TGreiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Latex import problem
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:31:12 +0100
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
 Dear Angus,
 thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
 The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
 images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
 to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

I take the opportunity of this thread about tex2lyx to complete what Angus said.
The current version of tex2lyx deals correctly with multipart documents
However, lyx2lyx does not know about dependencies, so that retroconversion to 
221
must be made on each \input'ted, \include'd or \verbatiminput'ted file.

The workaround I proposed in the wiki (script tex2lyx.sh, which converts all 
lyx files in the current dir
to 221) is a poor one, but I can't imagine better unless lyx2lyx knows about 
dependencies.

An external script retrieving file dependencies would be welcome, 
unless it already exists, either in latex or in lyx. In fact, \listfiles does 
it,
but it mixes things w.r.t what tex2lyx does.

A good idea would be perhaps to add an output to tex2lyx enumerating the full 
or relative path
of the converted files, but IMHO an external script would be more useful in the 
future 
(the current retroconversion will not be necessary when 1.4 is released).

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Now I could convert:
Newest Python
Newest lyx2lyx (not from Lyx1.3.5 package)
Thanks
Thomas

On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:50:39 +, Angus Leeming wrote:

TGreiner wrote:
 -t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
 or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
 Thomas

... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.

Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
get a real python package from www.python.org.

Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Georg Baum]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

 I take the opportunity of this thread about tex2lyx to complete what Angus
 said. The current version of tex2lyx deals correctly with multipart
 documents However, lyx2lyx does not know about dependencies, so that
 retroconversion to 221 must be made on each \input'ted, \include'd or
 \verbatiminput'ted file.
 
 The workaround I proposed in the wiki (script tex2lyx.sh, which converts
 all lyx files in the current dir to 221) is a poor one, but I can't
 imagine better unless lyx2lyx knows about dependencies.

Another workaround is to replace the 1.3 version of lyx2lyx with a slightly
hacked 1.4 version (including the various .py files). You need to set

end_format = '221'

in parse_options() in lyx2lyx to change the default output format. LyX 1.3
should be able to read 1.4 files after that, so you don't need to convert
included files explicitly. Feel free to add this to the wiki (with a bit
more explanation) if it works for you, I don't have the time at the moment.


Georg

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

Angus Leeming
Tue, 17 May 2005 14:25:33 -0700

Luis Rivera wrote:

Angus,

I'm sorry I might have stepped on your toe. I apologize. Let me
explain:

... reLyX generates a horrible mish-mash
of different file formats that must somehow be deciphered by
lyx2lyx. 

tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241, which
must
then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX 1.3.5 can understand
it.


I shall concede that.  I have little knowledge of the arcana of the LyX
format, so I am in no position do decide whether the output of tex2lyx
is equal, better, or worse, than that of reLyX (which, I also concede,
might be a relic ;)  My only point is that reLyX makes some `mish-mash'
intelligible to lyx2lyx, and then you still have to upgrade this
mish-mash into LyX 221.  In other words, a two step process is
necessary anyway.

 I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
 incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert the
 output to LyX 221 anyway.

 tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? 

Well: I downloaded the binary from the Wiki page, and it expands to up
to 2.5 Mb, while the existing combo reLyX/lyx2lyx takes about 2Mb
(including the required python/perl libraries and executables).

Two things that it
does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most 'reasonable' LaTeX
and
generate a consistent .lyx file.


Having no clue about the consistency of LyX, I must concede the second
point; as for the first, reLyX has had no trouble so far with my rather
idiosyncratic LaTeX files...

To convert my LaTeX files into LyX I made the following batch file
(tex2lyx.bat): 


@echo off
rem Wrapper script for Win32
rem written by Ruurd Reitsma
rem shamelessly hacked by Jose-Luis Rivera
set PERLLIB=%~p0\..\lib
set PYTHONPATH=%~p0\lib;%~p0\dlls
%~p0\perl.exe -S %~p0\reLyX -f %1 %2 %3
ren %~n1.lyx rlx
%~p0\python.exe -S %~p0\..\share\lyx\lyx2lyx\lyx2lyx -t 221 -o %~n1.lyx
rlx
del rlx
set PERLLIB=
set PYTHONPATH=
-

then I changed the call in Edit/Preferences/Converters/tex - LyX, to
`tex2lyx $$i', and voilà!  

I named the batch file `tex2lyx' in the assumption that, someday, this
shall be the name of the right utility to call.

If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE bring
them
forward. 

I have no substantive problems with tex2lyx, save that it seems to me a
little redundant for Ruurd's distribution.  As I said, all I did was a
little hacking of Ruurd's reLyX.bat file and I got my stuff.  Before
that, I downloaded and tested (succesfully) the experimental tex2lyx
available at the wiki page, then realizing that I had to reformat the
output with lyx2lyx anyway. So I patched a little batch to run lyx2lyx
from console, and then it strucked me that with a little hacking to
Ruurd's original kludge, I could get the two phases
(reLyX/tex2lyx-lyx2lyx) done in one single shot. That's what I did.

 We rely on your feedback to improve it. 

Now I take your suggestion: do you think it viable to have tex2lyx
built into LyX itself, like the converter going the other way
around?This way we could use `lyx --import latex filename.tex', the way
we use `lyx --export latex filename.lyx'). Should I write the
developers suggesting this integration?

However, please do not
suggest to people on this list that they use reLyX in preference to
tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and unsupported nightmare.

I won't do it anymore.  Promise.

Luis.



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Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 TGreiner wrote:
  -t 221 doesnt work: 241: Format not supported
  or single -to doesnt work. I get the old error.
  Thomas
 
 ... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
 packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
 modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.
 
 Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
 get a real python package from www.python.org.
 
 Angus
 
 

You ain't to throw away nothing.  Just add the right paths to libperl and 
libpython environment variables, and everything runs fine.  See Ruurd's 
original reLyX.bat file and my home-brewed patch somewhere in this thread.

BTW, you shouldn't be using reLyX: tex2lyx makes a more consistent LyX output, 
and has a better lyx2lyx program.

Cheers,

Luis.

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
 Dear Angus,
 thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
 The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
 images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
 to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

$  qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide.lyx
$  ~/lyx/devel/build/src/tex2lyx/tex2lyx UserGuide.tex  
UserGuide_14x.lyx
$  python ~/lyx/devel/lib/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx --to 221 UserGuide_14x.lyx  
UserGuide_13x.lyx

Going on to export this round-tripped version of the User Guide to 
latex and running latex twice over both UserGuide.tex and 
UserGuide_13x.tex
$ qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide_13x.lyx
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide_13x
$ latex UserGuide_13x

produces two .dvi files, UserGuide.dvi, the compiled version of the 
original UserGuide.lyx and UserGuide_13x.dvi, the compiled version of 
the round-tripped file.

$ ls -l UserGuide.dvi UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497972 May 18 10:22 UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497800 May 18 10:22 UserGuide.dvi

Note that there is a small difference in size between the two, 
indicating that conversion lyx-tex-lyx was not perfect, but the 
difference is pretty small. So far, I've been unable to see any 
human-visible differences.

Regards,
Angus

ps, please post to the lyx-users list.
A.

 On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:23:53 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
 Luis Rivera wrote:
  AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx
  translates LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx
  converts it to the right version of LyX format you may be using:
  221, for LyX 1.3.5
 
 That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible
  mish-mash of different file formats that must somehow be
  deciphered by lyx2lyx.
 
 tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241,
  which must then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX
  1.3.5 can understand it.
 
  I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
  incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert
  the output to LyX 221 anyway.
 
  tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two
  things that it does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most
  'reasonable' LaTeX and generate a consistent .lyx file.
 
 If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE
  bring them forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it.
  However, please do not suggest to people on this list that they
  use reLyX in preference to tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and
  unsupported nightmare.
 
 --
 Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:

python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx
'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
o: Invalid LyX format

Thomas Greiner

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
 Dear Angus,
 thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
 The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
 images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
 to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

$  qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide.lyx
$  ~/lyx/devel/build/src/tex2lyx/tex2lyx UserGuide.tex  
UserGuide_14x.lyx
$  python ~/lyx/devel/lib/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx --to 221 UserGuide_14x.lyx  
UserGuide_13x.lyx

Going on to export this round-tripped version of the User Guide to 
latex and running latex twice over both UserGuide.tex and 
UserGuide_13x.tex
$ qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide_13x.lyx
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide_13x
$ latex UserGuide_13x

produces two .dvi files, UserGuide.dvi, the compiled version of the 
original UserGuide.lyx and UserGuide_13x.dvi, the compiled version of 
the round-tripped file.

$ ls -l UserGuide.dvi UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497972 May 18 10:22 UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497800 May 18 10:22 UserGuide.dvi

Note that there is a small difference in size between the two, 
indicating that conversion lyx-tex-lyx was not perfect, but the 
difference is pretty small. So far, I've been unable to see any 
human-visible differences.

Regards,
Angus

ps, please post to the lyx-users list.
A.

 On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:23:53 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
 Luis Rivera wrote:
  AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx
  translates LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx
  converts it to the right version of LyX format you may be using:
  221, for LyX 1.3.5
 
 That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible
  mish-mash of different file formats that must somehow be
  deciphered by lyx2lyx.
 
 tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241,
  which must then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX
  1.3.5 can understand it.
 
  I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
  incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert
  the output to LyX 221 anyway.
 
  tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two
  things that it does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most
  'reasonable' LaTeX and generate a consistent .lyx file.
 
 If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE
  bring them forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it.
  However, please do not suggest to people on this list that they
  use reLyX in preference to tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and
  unsupported nightmare.
 
 --
 Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:

 a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
 images but no more the original text of the Latex-file

Could you post your original .tex file that you cannot convert to LyX 1.4
format using tex2lyx. If you don't want to post it to the list, then post
it to leeming AT lyx DOT org.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Sven Schreiber]

TGreiner wrote:

 a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
 images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
 b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
 
 python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx
 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
 o: Invalid LyX format

I think I had the same problem once (on Windows); it seems the bundled
python interpreter that comes with lyx1.3.5 on win is a little too
stripped down (bear in mind windows is not really a target platform of
1.3.5). You could install the full python and/or make sure the right
python variant is in your PATH.
hth, sven

Re: Latex import problem

[Kornel Benko]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 13:26, Sven Schreiber wrote:
 TGreiner wrote:
 
  a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
  images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
  b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
  
  python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx

this should be either '-t' or '--to'

e.g.
python lyx2lyx -t 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx


Regards
Kornel

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Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

-t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
Thomas

On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:52 +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 13:26, Sven Schreiber wrote:
 TGreiner wrote:
 
  a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
  images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
  b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
  
  python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx

this should be either '-t' or '--to'

e.g.
   python lyx2lyx -t 221 test.lyx  test13.lyx


   Regards
   Kornel

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Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:
-t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
Thomas
... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.

Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
get a real python package from www.python.org.

Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Jean-Pierre Chretien]

From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TGreiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Latex import problem
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:31:12 +0100
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
 Dear Angus,
 thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
 The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
 images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
 to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

I take the opportunity of this thread about tex2lyx to complete what Angus said.
The current version of tex2lyx deals correctly with multipart documents
However, lyx2lyx does not know about dependencies, so that retroconversion to 
221
must be made on each \input'ted, \include'd or \verbatiminput'ted file.

The workaround I proposed in the wiki (script tex2lyx.sh, which converts all 
lyx files in the current dir
to 221) is a poor one, but I can't imagine better unless lyx2lyx knows about 
dependencies.

An external script retrieving file dependencies would be welcome, 
unless it already exists, either in latex or in lyx. In fact, \listfiles does 
it,
but it mixes things w.r.t what tex2lyx does.

A good idea would be perhaps to add an output to tex2lyx enumerating the full 
or relative path
of the converted files, but IMHO an external script would be more useful in the 
future 
(the current retroconversion will not be necessary when 1.4 is released).

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Now I could convert:
Newest Python
Newest lyx2lyx (not from Lyx1.3.5 package)
Thanks
Thomas

On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:50:39 +, Angus Leeming wrote:

TGreiner wrote:
 -t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
 or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
 Thomas

... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.

Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
get a real python package from www.python.org.

Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Georg Baum]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

 I take the opportunity of this thread about tex2lyx to complete what Angus
 said. The current version of tex2lyx deals correctly with multipart
 documents However, lyx2lyx does not know about dependencies, so that
 retroconversion to 221 must be made on each \input'ted, \include'd or
 \verbatiminput'ted file.
 
 The workaround I proposed in the wiki (script tex2lyx.sh, which converts
 all lyx files in the current dir to 221) is a poor one, but I can't
 imagine better unless lyx2lyx knows about dependencies.

Another workaround is to replace the 1.3 version of lyx2lyx with a slightly
hacked 1.4 version (including the various .py files). You need to set

end_format = '221'

in parse_options() in lyx2lyx to change the default output format. LyX 1.3
should be able to read 1.4 files after that, so you don't need to convert
included files explicitly. Feel free to add this to the wiki (with a bit
more explanation) if it works for you, I don't have the time at the moment.


Georg

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

Angus Leeming
Tue, 17 May 2005 14:25:33 -0700

Luis Rivera wrote:

Angus,

I'm sorry I might have stepped on your toe. I apologize. Let me
explain:

... reLyX generates a horrible mish-mash
of different file formats that must somehow be deciphered by
lyx2lyx. 

tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241, which
must
then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX 1.3.5 can understand
it.


I shall concede that.  I have little knowledge of the arcana of the LyX
format, so I am in no position do decide whether the output of tex2lyx
is equal, better, or worse, than that of reLyX (which, I also concede,
might be a relic ;)  My only point is that reLyX makes some `mish-mash'
intelligible to lyx2lyx, and then you still have to upgrade this
mish-mash into LyX 221.  In other words, a two step process is
necessary anyway.

 I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
 incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert the
 output to LyX 221 anyway.

 tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? 

Well: I downloaded the binary from the Wiki page, and it expands to up
to 2.5 Mb, while the existing combo reLyX/lyx2lyx takes about 2Mb
(including the required python/perl libraries and executables).

Two things that it
does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most 'reasonable' LaTeX
and
generate a consistent .lyx file.


Having no clue about the consistency of LyX, I must concede the second
point; as for the first, reLyX has had no trouble so far with my rather
idiosyncratic LaTeX files...

To convert my LaTeX files into LyX I made the following batch file
(tex2lyx.bat): 


@echo off
rem Wrapper script for Win32
rem written by Ruurd Reitsma
rem shamelessly hacked by Jose-Luis Rivera
set PERLLIB=%~p0\..\lib
set PYTHONPATH=%~p0\lib;%~p0\dlls
%~p0\perl.exe -S %~p0\reLyX -f %1 %2 %3
ren %~n1.lyx rlx
%~p0\python.exe -S %~p0\..\share\lyx\lyx2lyx\lyx2lyx -t 221 -o %~n1.lyx
rlx
del rlx
set PERLLIB=
set PYTHONPATH=
-

then I changed the call in Edit/Preferences/Converters/tex - LyX, to
`tex2lyx $$i', and voilà!  

I named the batch file `tex2lyx' in the assumption that, someday, this
shall be the name of the right utility to call.

If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE bring
them
forward. 

I have no substantive problems with tex2lyx, save that it seems to me a
little redundant for Ruurd's distribution.  As I said, all I did was a
little hacking of Ruurd's reLyX.bat file and I got my stuff.  Before
that, I downloaded and tested (succesfully) the experimental tex2lyx
available at the wiki page, then realizing that I had to reformat the
output with lyx2lyx anyway. So I patched a little batch to run lyx2lyx
from console, and then it strucked me that with a little hacking to
Ruurd's original kludge, I could get the two phases
(reLyX/tex2lyx-lyx2lyx) done in one single shot. That's what I did.

 We rely on your feedback to improve it. 

Now I take your suggestion: do you think it viable to have tex2lyx
built into LyX itself, like the converter going the other way
around?This way we could use `lyx --import latex filename.tex', the way
we use `lyx --export latex filename.lyx'). Should I write the
developers suggesting this integration?

However, please do not
suggest to people on this list that they use reLyX in preference to
tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and unsupported nightmare.

I won't do it anymore.  Promise.

Luis.



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Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 TGreiner wrote:
  -t 221 doesnt work: 241: Format not supported
  or single -to doesnt work. I get the old error.
  Thomas
 
 ... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
 packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
 modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.
 
 Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
 get a real python package from www.python.org.
 
 Angus
 
 

You ain't to throw away nothing.  Just add the right paths to libperl and 
libpython environment variables, and everything runs fine.  See Ruurd's 
original reLyX.bat file and my home-brewed patch somewhere in this thread.

BTW, you shouldn't be using reLyX: tex2lyx makes a more consistent LyX output, 
and has a better lyx2lyx program.

Cheers,

Luis.

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
> Dear Angus,
> thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
> The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
> images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
> to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

$  qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide.lyx
$  ~/lyx/devel/build/src/tex2lyx/tex2lyx UserGuide.tex > 
UserGuide_14x.lyx
$  python ~/lyx/devel/lib/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx --to 221 UserGuide_14x.lyx > 
UserGuide_13x.lyx

Going on to export this round-tripped version of the User Guide to 
latex and running latex twice over both UserGuide.tex and 
UserGuide_13x.tex
$ qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide_13x.lyx
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide_13x
$ latex UserGuide_13x

produces two .dvi files, UserGuide.dvi, the compiled version of the 
original UserGuide.lyx and UserGuide_13x.dvi, the compiled version of 
the round-tripped file.

$ ls -l UserGuide.dvi UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497972 May 18 10:22 UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497800 May 18 10:22 UserGuide.dvi

Note that there is a small difference in size between the two, 
indicating that conversion lyx->tex->lyx was not perfect, but the 
difference is pretty small. So far, I've been unable to see any 
human-visible differences.

Regards,
Angus

ps, please post to the lyx-users list.
A.

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:23:53 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
> >Luis Rivera wrote:
> >> AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx
> >> translates LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx
> >> converts it to the right version of LyX format you may be using:
> >> 221, for LyX 1.3.5
> >
> >That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible
> > mish-mash of different file formats that must "somehow" be
> > deciphered by lyx2lyx.
> >
> >tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241,
> > which must then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX
> > 1.3.5 can understand it.
> >
> >> I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
> >> incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert
> >> the output to LyX 221 anyway.
> >
> > tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two
> > things that it does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most
> > 'reasonable' LaTeX and generate a consistent .lyx file.
> >
> >If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE
> > bring them forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it.
> > However, please do not suggest to people on this list that they
> > use reLyX in preference to tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and
> > unsupported nightmare.
> >
> >--
> >Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:

python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx > test13.lyx
'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
o: Invalid LyX format

Thomas Greiner

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
> Dear Angus,
> thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
> The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
> images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
> to do? T. Greiner

You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
1.3.5.)

$  qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide.lyx
$  ~/lyx/devel/build/src/tex2lyx/tex2lyx UserGuide.tex > 
UserGuide_14x.lyx
$  python ~/lyx/devel/lib/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx --to 221 UserGuide_14x.lyx > 
UserGuide_13x.lyx

Going on to export this round-tripped version of the User Guide to 
latex and running latex twice over both UserGuide.tex and 
UserGuide_13x.tex
$ qlyx13x --export latex UserGuide_13x.lyx
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide
$ latex UserGuide_13x
$ latex UserGuide_13x

produces two .dvi files, UserGuide.dvi, the compiled version of the 
original UserGuide.lyx and UserGuide_13x.dvi, the compiled version of 
the round-tripped file.

$ ls -l UserGuide.dvi UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497972 May 18 10:22 UserGuide_13x.dvi
-rw-rw-r--  1 angus angus 497800 May 18 10:22 UserGuide.dvi

Note that there is a small difference in size between the two, 
indicating that conversion lyx->tex->lyx was not perfect, but the 
difference is pretty small. So far, I've been unable to see any 
human-visible differences.

Regards,
Angus

ps, please post to the lyx-users list.
A.

> On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:23:53 +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
> >Luis Rivera wrote:
> >> AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx
> >> translates LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx
> >> converts it to the right version of LyX format you may be using:
> >> 221, for LyX 1.3.5
> >
> >That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible
> > mish-mash of different file formats that must "somehow" be
> > deciphered by lyx2lyx.
> >
> >tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241,
> > which must then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX
> > 1.3.5 can understand it.
> >
> >> I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
> >> incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert
> >> the output to LyX 221 anyway.
> >
> > tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two
> > things that it does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most
> > 'reasonable' LaTeX and generate a consistent .lyx file.
> >
> >If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE
> > bring them forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it.
> > However, please do not suggest to people on this list that they
> > use reLyX in preference to tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and
> > unsupported nightmare.
> >
> >--
> >Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:

> a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
> images but no more the original text of the Latex-file

Could you post your original .tex file that you cannot convert to LyX 1.4
format using tex2lyx. If you don't want to post it to the list, then post
it to leeming AT lyx DOT org.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Sven Schreiber]

TGreiner wrote:

> a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
> images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
> b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
> 
> python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx > test13.lyx
> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
> o: Invalid LyX format

I think I had the same problem once (on Windows); it seems the bundled
python interpreter that comes with lyx1.3.5 on win is a little too
stripped down (bear in mind windows is not really a target platform of
1.3.5). You could install the full python and/or make sure the "right"
python variant is in your PATH.
hth, sven

Re: Latex import problem

[Kornel Benko]

On Wednesday 18 May 2005 13:26, Sven Schreiber wrote:
> TGreiner wrote:
> 
> > a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
> > images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
> > b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
> > 
> > python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx > test13.lyx

this should be either '-t' or '--to'

e.g.
python lyx2lyx -t 221 test.lyx > test13.lyx


Regards
Kornel

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Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

-t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
Thomas

On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:48:52 +0200, Kornel Benko wrote:

>On Wednesday 18 May 2005 13:26, Sven Schreiber wrote:
>> TGreiner wrote:
>> 
>> > a,I converted to ver 1.4. This Lyx file only contains commands for
>> > images but no more the original text of the Latex-file
>> > b,Then by converting to 1.3.5 I get the following error:
>> > 
>> > python lyx2lyx -to 221 test.lyx > test13.lyx
>
>this should be either '-t' or '--to'
>
>e.g.
>   python lyx2lyx -t 221 test.lyx > test13.lyx
>
>
>   Regards
>   Kornel
>
>-- 
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>+49 30 3377 6216
>

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:
-t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
Thomas
... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.

Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
get a real python package from www.python.org.

Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Jean-Pierre Chretien]

>>From: Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "TGreiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Latex import problem
>>Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:31:12 +0100
>>Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
>>
>>On Wednesday 18 May 2005 09:05, TGreiner wrote:
>>> Dear Angus,
>>> thank you for your hints. I could run tex2lyx in a command window.
>>> The Latex file is imported (I see a lot of messages of the included
>>> images - no errors), but no output file is created. What do I have
>>> to do? T. Greiner
>>
>>You have to redirect the output to STDOUT to a file. Here's how I 
>>convert UserGuide.lyx to a .tex file, reconvert it to a LyX 1.4.x 
>>version .lyx file and then convert this .lyx file to something that 
>>LyX 1.3.5 can read. (qlyx13x is my name for the Qt version of LyX 
>>1.3.5.)

I take the opportunity of this thread about tex2lyx to complete what Angus said.
The current version of tex2lyx deals correctly with multipart documents
However, lyx2lyx does not know about dependencies, so that retroconversion to 
221
must be made on each \input'ted, \include'd or \verbatiminput'ted file.

The workaround I proposed in the wiki (script tex2lyx.sh, which converts all 
lyx files in the current dir
to 221) is a poor one, but I can't imagine better unless lyx2lyx knows about 
dependencies.

An external script retrieving file dependencies would be welcome, 
unless it already exists, either in latex or in lyx. In fact, \listfiles does 
it,
but it mixes things w.r.t what tex2lyx does.

A good idea would be perhaps to add an output to tex2lyx enumerating the full 
or relative path
of the converted files, but IMHO an external script would be more useful in the 
future 
(the current retroconversion will not be necessary when 1.4 is released).

-- 
Jean-Pierre

Re: Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Now I could convert:
Newest Python
Newest lyx2lyx (not from Lyx1.3.5 package)
Thanks
Thomas

On Wed, 18 May 2005 12:50:39 +, Angus Leeming wrote:

>TGreiner wrote:
>> -t 221 doesn´t work: 241: Format not supported
>> or single -to doesn´t work. I get the old error.
>> Thomas
>
>... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
>packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
>modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.
>
>Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
>get a real python package from www.python.org.
>
>Angus
>

Re: Latex import problem

[Georg Baum]

Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote:

> I take the opportunity of this thread about tex2lyx to complete what Angus
> said. The current version of tex2lyx deals correctly with multipart
> documents However, lyx2lyx does not know about dependencies, so that
> retroconversion to 221 must be made on each \input'ted, \include'd or
> \verbatiminput'ted file.
> 
> The workaround I proposed in the wiki (script tex2lyx.sh, which converts
> all lyx files in the current dir to 221) is a poor one, but I can't
> imagine better unless lyx2lyx knows about dependencies.

Another workaround is to replace the 1.3 version of lyx2lyx with a slightly
hacked 1.4 version (including the various .py files). You need to set

end_format = '221'

in parse_options() in lyx2lyx to change the default output format. LyX 1.3
should be able to read 1.4 files after that, so you don't need to convert
included files explicitly. Feel free to add this to the wiki (with a bit
more explanation) if it works for you, I don't have the time at the moment.


Georg

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

>Angus Leeming
>Tue, 17 May 2005 14:25:33 -0700
>
>Luis Rivera wrote:

Angus,

I'm sorry I might have stepped on your toe. I apologize. Let me
explain:

>... reLyX generates a horrible mish-mash
>of different file formats that must "somehow" be deciphered by
lyx2lyx. 
>
>tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241, which
>must
>then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX 1.3.5 can understand
>it.
>

I shall concede that.  I have little knowledge of the arcana of the LyX
format, so I am in no position do decide whether the output of tex2lyx
is equal, better, or worse, than that of reLyX (which, I also concede,
might be a relic ;)  My only point is that reLyX makes some `mish-mash'
intelligible to lyx2lyx, and then you still have to "upgrade" this
mish-mash into LyX 221.  In other words, a two step process is
necessary anyway.

>> I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
>> incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert the
>> output to LyX 221 anyway.
>
> tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? 

Well: I downloaded the binary from the Wiki page, and it expands to up
to 2.5 Mb, while the existing combo reLyX/lyx2lyx takes about 2Mb
(including the required python/perl libraries and executables).

>Two things that it
>does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most 'reasonable' LaTeX
and
>generate a consistent .lyx file.
>

Having no clue about the consistency of LyX, I must concede the second
point; as for the first, reLyX has had no trouble so far with my rather
idiosyncratic LaTeX files...

To convert my LaTeX files into LyX I made the following batch file
(tex2lyx.bat): 


@echo off
rem Wrapper script for Win32
rem written by Ruurd Reitsma
rem shamelessly hacked by Jose-Luis Rivera
set PERLLIB=%~p0\..\lib
set PYTHONPATH=%~p0\lib;%~p0\dlls
%~p0\perl.exe -S %~p0\reLyX -f %1 %2 %3
ren %~n1.lyx rlx
%~p0\python.exe -S %~p0\..\share\lyx\lyx2lyx\lyx2lyx -t 221 -o %~n1.lyx
rlx
del rlx
set PERLLIB=
set PYTHONPATH=
-

then I changed the call in Edit/Preferences/Converters/tex -> LyX, to
`tex2lyx $$i', and voilà!  

I named the batch file `tex2lyx' in the assumption that, someday, this
shall be the name of the right utility to call.

>If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE bring
them
>forward. 

I have no substantive problems with tex2lyx, save that it seems to me a
little redundant for Ruurd's distribution.  As I said, all I did was a
little hacking of Ruurd's reLyX.bat file and I got my stuff.  Before
that, I downloaded and tested (succesfully) the experimental tex2lyx
available at the wiki page, then realizing that I had to reformat the
output with lyx2lyx anyway. So I patched a little batch to run lyx2lyx
from console, and then it strucked me that with a little hacking to
Ruurd's original kludge, I could get the two phases
(reLyX/tex2lyx-lyx2lyx) done in one single shot. That's what I did.

> We rely on your feedback to improve it. 

Now I take your suggestion: do you think it viable to have tex2lyx
built into LyX itself, like the converter going the other way
around?This way we could use `lyx --import latex filename.tex', the way
we use `lyx --export latex filename.lyx'). Should I write the
developers suggesting this integration?

>However, please do not
>suggest to people on this list that they use reLyX in preference to
>tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and unsupported nightmare.

I won't do it anymore.  Promise.

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Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> TGreiner wrote:
> > -t 221 doesnÂt work: 241: Format not supported
> > or single -to doesnÂt work. I get the old error.
> > Thomas
> 
> ... and this error has been explained to you. The python that Ruurd 
> packaged with his port of LyX to Windows doesn't contain many of the 
> modules of standard python that the LyX 1.4 version of lyx2lyx requires.
> 
> Junk (throw away) the python that Ruurd packaged with LyX 1.3.5 and go 
> get a real python package from www.python.org.
> 
> Angus
> 
> 

You ain't to throw away nothing.  Just add the right paths to libperl and 
libpython environment variables, and everything runs fine.  See Ruurd's 
original reLyX.bat file and my home-brewed patch somewhere in this thread.

BTW, you shouldn't be using reLyX: tex2lyx makes a more consistent LyX output, 
and has a better lyx2lyx program.

Cheers,

Luis.

Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Hello,
I tried the German Win32 version on Lyx 1.3.5. Buy importing a Latex
document, I got the following error:
Der Befehl ...lyx1.3.5/lyx/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx ist entweder
falsch
geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
Please can you give me advice.
Thanks.
T. Greiner

Re: Latex import problem

[Uwe Stöhr]

TGreiner schrieb:
I tried the German Win32 version on Lyx 1.3.5. By importing a Latex
document, I got the following error:
Der Befehl ...lyx1.3.5/lyx/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx ist entweder
falsch
geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
LyXWin is still a bit buggy in including/converting documents. You can 
have a look at

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/WindowsSetup
if someone published a solution.
But lyx2lyx is a converter for different LyX file versions. If you want 
to convert LaTeX to LyX, you should check out the new program tex2lyx:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx
regards Uwe

Re: Latex import problem

[Luis Rivera]

Uwe Sthr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 TGreiner schrieb:
 
  I tried the German Win32 version on Lyx 1.3.5. By importing a Latex
  document, I got the following error:
  Der Befehl ...lyx1.3.5/lyx/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx ist entweder
  falsch
  geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
 
 LyXWin is still a bit buggy in including/converting documents. You can 
 have a look at
 
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/WindowsSetup
 
 if someone published a solution.
 
 But lyx2lyx is a converter for different LyX file versions. If you want 
 to convert LaTeX to LyX, you should check out the new program tex2lyx:
 
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx
 
 regards Uwe
 
 

AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx translates LaTeX 
to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx converts it to the right version of 
LyX format you may be using: 221, for LyX 1.3.5

I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current incarnation, is 
too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert the output to LyX 221 anyway.  
So simply use the lyx2lyx.cmd suggested in the wiki page, and you may be all 
set.

If that fails, you may cook a tex2lyx.cmd file calling both reLyX and lyx2lyx, 
in fact faking the behavior of the new tex2lyx...

Luis.

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

TGreiner wrote:

 Hello,
 I tried the German Win32 version on Lyx 1.3.5. Buy importing a Latex
 document, I got the following error:
 Der Befehl ...lyx1.3.5/lyx/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx ist entweder
 falsch
 geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
 Please can you give me advice.
 Thanks.
 T. Greiner

Please don't reply to mails when you wish to start an entirely new thread.
I'm likely to miss your post as it appears in my reader as
  - [Fwd: Re: Metapost problems]marc
|_ Latex import problem TGreiner

Anyway, to reply to your question. There is a bug in LyX/Win 1.3.5 in that
lyx2lyx is invoked as lyx2lyx foo bar. Unfortunately, lyx2lyx is a
python script and Windows isn't smart enough to work this out. LyX 1.3.6
will invoke the script as python path to/lyx2lyx foo bar, but that
isn't much help to you.

I suggest that you add a lyx2lyx.bat file to the directory containing
lyx2lyx and call the real lyx2lyx file from there.

-- 
Angus

Re: Latex import problem

[Angus Leeming]

Luis Rivera wrote:
 AFAIK, LaTeX import occurs in two phases: first reLyX/tex2lyx translates
 LaTeX to some version of LyX, and then lyx2lyx converts it to the right
 version of LyX format you may be using: 221, for LyX 1.3.5

That's essentially correct. However, reLyX generates a horrible mish-mash
of different file formats that must somehow be deciphered by lyx2lyx. 

tex2lyx generates a completely consistent lyx file, version 241, which must
then be converted back to version 221 so that LyX 1.3.5 can understand it.

 I still use the `old' reLyX script, for tex2lyx, in its current
 incarnation, is too bloated to my taste, and I have to reconvert the
 output to LyX 221 anyway.

 tex2lyx is bloated? For what definition of bloated? Two things that it
does do, which reLyX does not, is understand most 'reasonable' LaTeX and
generate a consistent .lyx file.

If you have any substantive problems with tex2lyx, then PLEASE bring them
forward. We rely on your feedback to improve it. However, please do not
suggest to people on this list that they use reLyX in preference to
tex2lyx. reLyX is a broken hack and unsupported nightmare.

-- 
Angus

Latex import problem

[TGreiner]

Hello,
I tried the German Win32 version on Lyx 1.3.5. Buy importing a Latex
document, I got the following error:
Der Befehl ...lyx1.3.5/lyx/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx ist entweder
falsch
geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
Please can you give me advice.
Thanks.
T. Greiner

Re: Latex import problem

[Uwe Stöhr]

TGreiner schrieb:
I tried the German Win32 version on Lyx 1.3.5. By importing a Latex
document, I got the following error:
Der Befehl ...lyx1.3.5/lyx/share/lyx/lyx2lyx/lyx2lyx ist entweder
falsch
geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
LyXWin is still a bit buggy in including/converting documents. You can 
have a look at

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/WindowsSetup
if someone published a solution.
But lyx2lyx is a converter for different LyX file versions. If you want 
to convert LaTeX to LyX, you should check out the new program tex2lyx:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LaTeX/LatexToLyx
regards Uwe