Re: LyX on iPad

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 18:51:50 +0200
Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:

> On 2018-11-05 23:45 , Steve Litt wrote:

> > Retina display and iOS and all this Apple compatibility is nice, but
> > I'll repeat, it's not 2008 and PDF is no longer the only game in
> > town, and I think priority should be placed on finishing what was
> > started in July of 2008.  
> 
> So you are joing the development team?

A timely question. I've joined the development team, just not the *LyX*
development team.

Instead, I'm developing Stylz, a native format dedicated to fast
authoring via an editor, dedicated to easily enabling the author to
declare and use custom styles, and dedicated to be exportable, *with
semantic completeness and correctness*, to any conceivable output
format.

Stylz is new and raw, but right now it does an excellent job of
outputting HTML and ePub. The PDF export (via Plain TeX plus a small
handful of addons) currently gives wrong results, and I need help on
the PDF export.

Unlike LyX' "HTML export", Stylz' style to appearance conversion
happens via style files such as CSS for HTML and TeX macros for PDF.
Styles are preserved to the very last moment, and Style to appearance
conversion is different on each output format. So, for instance, an
emphasis character style could be italic in PDF, but straight and
backgrounded by light yellow in HTML or ePub.

To assist the author in style definitions, Stylz includes a style
lister that lists every style used in a document. It also includes a
CSS boilerplate maker that makes boilerplate CSS for every style in the
document. I'll probably do the same thing for boilerplate Plain TeX
style-implementing macros.

Like all software, Stylz fills a niche. If you know for sure your
document will never need to be in a format other than PDF/paper, use
LyX. As many have noted in this thread, LyX is dedicated to being a
front end to LaTeX for the purpose of PDF/paper output. If you want
some degree of choice in output format, including PDF and HTML, and
your output needs are so simple as not to require custom styles, use
asciidoc. And if you need exportability to PDF, HTML, ePub, and
anything in the future for which a Stylz export has been authored, and
you also need to make and use customized styles, Stylz fills your needs.

Stylz works as follows: stylz2xml parses the author-friendly Stylz
format and converts to XML, from where anything can be done. The XML
has *all* information contained in the Stylz file, with absolutely no
regard to its own viewability. xml2html converts the XML to HTML. From
there, html2epub converts it to ePub. It takes less than a second for
my dual core AMD with 16GB RAM to convert all the way from stylz to
ePub,  and as I mentioned, for the most part the produced ePub is ready
for prime time.

Where I need help is xml2tex, or, if you choose, perhaps a pandoc or
XSLT solution if it's reasonably simple and well documented and
commented. I want to avoid using LaTeX in the conversion because it
would require too much "other peoples code", increasing the error
surface, and making troubleshooting harder.

I'm only one guy, wedging Stylz development between my other activities
and responsibilities, so in most cases I did what seemed the quickest,
so Stylz is a mix of Python, awk, sed, and /bin/sh. Python has some
great XML parsers, which is what I really needed. I anticipate the
license will be either GPL2 or Expat
(https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat).

So anyone interested in writing the Stylz XML to PDF converter, please
get in touch with me.

SteveT

Steve Litt
November 2018 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical
Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition
http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/7/18 9:10 AM, Christopher Menzel wrote:


Well aware — I started writing in (a much earlier version of) LaTeX in Emacs at 
Stanford in the mid-1980s, while Knuth was still actively developing the TeX 
code. :-) The usual process back then was .tex → .dvi → .ps via the latex and 
dvips binaries. And when PDF came on the scene, before pdflatex there was a 
further step of .ps → .pdf via ps2pdf. Ah, memories! :-)


I too remember those long chains.

In the mid-'80s, I was using Vi and troff.  I first dealt with LaTex 
in the early-'90s, but for the most part I stayed with troff because I 
had a very thorough familiarity with it; I have never developed the 
comparable fluency in LaTeX.  However, WYSIWx editors where available 
for LaTeX before one was developed for troff, and many publishers 
support LaTeX while few if any support troff.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Christopher Menzel]

> BTW, LaTeX predates .PDFs.

Well aware — I started writing in (a much earlier version of) LaTeX in Emacs at 
Stanford in the mid-1980s, while Knuth was still actively developing the TeX 
code. :-) The usual process back then was .tex → .dvi → .ps via the latex and 
dvips binaries. And when PDF came on the scene, before pdflatex there was a 
further step of .ps → .pdf via ps2pdf. Ah, memories! :-)

-chris

Re: LyX on iPad

[Pavel Sanda]

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 06:10:54AM -0700, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best 
Daniel of the bunch) wrote:
> >That is a disappointment.  Given Android's start as an offshoot of
> >linux, you would think it would be more straightforward.
> 
> Yup.  But the GUI API is distinct.  It's Java, but it's
> read-another-goddamn'd-book Java.

If you get lucky I actually think that making LyX running on Android
might be question of couple hours of hacking of your Android.

The idea is not to (re)code anything in LyX codebase, but to make
some linux distro running on top of android (e.g. debian can
be installed rather easily, I tried). Then you need to add X server and
normally install X-apps from debian repositories; ppl reported
they were capable get firefox/gimp/libreoffice/eclipse running,
which is why I believe you have a decent shot, that it will work
for LyX as well.

Pavel

Re: LyX on iPad

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 18:55:34 -0600
Christopher Menzel  wrote:

> I might well just be naive but I'm not getting this line of criticism
> at all. LyX has always been a frontend to LaTeX, right? That's it's
> raison d'etre. It's still the only game in town to that end, and it's
> fabulous at it. LaTeX creates PDFs. So you use LyX to create PDFs.
> Seems to me if you're using LyX with the intention of getting an ePub
> or mobi doc, you're expecting it to do something it wasn't — by its
> nature — designed for. You want ePub or mobi, use something else.

True that. Until you want to offer the same book in both PDF and ePub
formats. What then? Make parallel changes on two separate source files?


SteveT

Re: LyX on iPad

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:05:39 +1100
Alan Tyree  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> Could you elaborate a bit on your pandoc/markdown comments? What kind
> of formatting is it that you find difficult/deficient. My impression
> is that it creates pretty clean HTML so that the formatting is via
> CSS.

Hi Alan,

Show me. I'd love to have my mind changed. Show me code to produce
**semantic,styled** HTML from LaTeX or LyX via pandoc.

As far as Markdown, if you're writing a simple fiction book with no
appearance needs beyond bold, underline and italic, then yeah, Markdown
and Asciidoc are both sufficient. My needs surpass that.

[snip]

> 
> Of course, I wouldn't start from LyX/LaTeX to produce these things
> since the pandoc LaTeX -> HTML usually requires a lot of massaging.

Precisely my point. There should be no massaging. Run one command on
the LyX file, output a semantically correct ePub or xhtml or html5
that's well formed xml.


> 
> Cheers,
> Alan
> 
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 08:46, Steve Litt 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:36:13 +0200
> > Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
> >  
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > I fundamentally disagree about the relevance.
> > >
> > > LyX is a front end for LaTeX, not a document format. And it is a
> > > FANTASTIC front end, which can be twsited to do a lot of
> > > things :-)-O  
> >
> > Sure, but LaTeX isn't the only game in town the way it was 10 years
> > ago (unless you took Docbook seriously a decade ago). Most new
> > books are ePubs or derivative mobis or whatever.
> >
> >  
> > >
> > > pandoc can produce an epub from (reasonable) LaTeX (exported from
> > > LyX), which kindlegen can translate into mobi.  
> >
> > Yeah. I've had hundreds of people recommend pandoc and XSLT and the
> > like. Have *you* ever successfully used pandoc to create HTML or
> > ePub or mobi formatted to your desires? If you have, you're one in
> > five hundred. Everyone recommends Pandoc, but finding people who
> > have used it is like finding a needle in a haystack, and when you
> > find such people and ask them how to do the conversion, they point
> > you to Internet sites with procedures that make installing Gentoo
> > or Arch a one click process.
> >
> > By the way, same thing goes for Asciidoc, Asciidoctor, Markdown, and
> > Multimarkdown. Evvverybody recommends it, but few have used it to
> > make books in which the author declares and uses styles.
> >  
> > > For LaTeX there is lwarp at
> > >
> > >   https://ctan.org/pkg/lwarp
> > >
> > > which also looks interesting.  
> >
> > I wish I had a dime for every hour I spent, on solutions to this
> > problems, that "look interesting". 99% of them turn out to be
> > converters whose first step is to convert your styles into
> > appearance, guaranteeing garbaged up output.
> >
> >  
> > >
> > > XML would be a great step, and not only for epub. But that would
> > > be a fundamental change, and who's going to do it?  
> >
> > And that's where the rubber meets the road. Look back to the thread,
> > starting on 7/22/2008, subject "Progress on the MS Word to LyX
> > conversion". In that thread, against my warnings, by the way,
> > several top Lyx developers promised an XML native format for LyX
> > 1.7x. Not pidgeon XML. Not almost XML. Not halfassed XML. They
> > promised XML. With a DTD, no less.
> >
> > Now my position was that XML is much harder to parse with Unix core
> > utilities, so I was against it. But at least I figured that if it
> > went XML, I could find an XML parser to do what I had been doing.
> > With much more difficulty. But doable.
> >
> > But they went only half way, harming the inherent coreutils
> > parsability without enabling the file to be processed by an XML
> > parser.
> >
> > If memory serves me, 1.6 already had some XML-ish changes to the
> > native format, I don't remember a 1.7, and 2.0 introduced the
> > pidgeon XML we know today. Over 7 years have elapsed since 2.0's
> > introduction, over a decade has elapsed since it was decided to
> > have a well formed XML native format validated with a DTD.
> >
> > Retina display and iOS and all this Apple compatibility is nice, but
> > I'll repeat, it's not 2008 and PDF is no longer the only game in
> > town, and I think priority should be placed on finishing what was
> > started in July of 2008.
> >
> > SteveT
> >  
> 
> 



-- 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business
http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz

Re: LyX on iPad

[David L. Johnson]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:49:19 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen  wrote:

> Still have not found the proper way to post to thread, so I just hope
> it will show up the right place. First, for the topic of the thread:
> I have now tried 1) rollapp.com and 2) remote access to my Mac from
> iPad (Screens and TeamWiever). rollapp.com is too limited (e.g.,
> shortcuts and arrow keys don't work) and expensive. Remote access is
> too slow and unreliable to be a solution. So, the only solution would
> be some type of native app on iPad. 

These limitations are not surprising.  It would be nice to have a
version that would work --- at least on the front end --- on a tablet
(I prefer Android, but the idea is the same).  I'd like to be able to
write when I only have my tablet with me, rather than have to deal with
my laptop all the time.

I remember this kind of discussion before, when Windows users were
asking for a version of LyX that ran on their computers (Initially LyX
was only available for un*x machines, principally linux but it would
compile on most unix boxes, if you had Motif).  Eventually it happened,
but you need to find a programmer with the proper expertise and
interest.


> I do think of LyX as a frontend
> for LaTeX, and not at all irrelevant. In fact, it is the software I
> use the most of all software that I have. It has completely
> revolutionized my workflow, as it's now so easy to write LaTeX. 

I certainly agree.  But, being a mathematician, most of what I write is
impossible to produce decently on Word, et. al.  Also, most of what I
write is still meant for paper, eventually, so e-book formats are not a
big deal for me.


 I
> think the issue is not that LyX is outdated, but that LaTeX is
> outdated. It's made for typesetting on paper, and honestly most
> reading now is done on screens. For that PDF is terrible. It's fixed
> format for printing. Instead, what is needed is mathematical
> typesetting that is free-flowing and adaptable to the screen it's
> read on (including a phone). Is there any work going on on that kind
> of standard?

Again, having a long memory of such things is useful.  Since TeX is
intended primarily for paper output, it took time to get someone
interested in exporting it to pdf, so it could be read on a screen.
Postscript seemed, back then, to be the preferred output (since
printers like that).  But what you are asking for is not a new
component for LyX, but a way to export to e-book formats, which would
be, basically, a dvi-to-(enter your e-book format) utility.  TeX may be
too wedded to page sizes and predetermined font sizes, but that also is
a TeX issue, it never has been a LyX issue.



-- 

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: LyX on iPad

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Steve,

On 2018-11-05 23:45 , Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:36:13 +0200 Dr Eberhard Lisse 
> wrote:
> 
>> Steve,
>>
>> I fundamentally disagree about the relevance.
>>
>> LyX is a front end for LaTeX, not a document format.  And it is a
>> FANTASTIC front end, which can be twsited to do a lot of things :-)-O
> 
> Sure, but LaTeX isn't the only game in town the way it was 10 years
> ago (unless you took Docbook seriously a decade ago).  Most new books
> are ePubs or derivative mobis or whatever.

Yes, maybe, or not.

But I want to use LaTeX. Not only because I have been since 35 years or
so, but because it still produces the best quality output form my
purposes, which are letters, reports and the like, but not books.

>> pandoc can produce an epub from (reasonable) LaTeX (exported from
>> LyX), which kindlegen can translate into mobi.
> 
> Yeah.  I've had hundreds of people recommend pandoc and XSLT and the
> like.  Have *you* ever successfully used pandoc to create HTML or ePub
> or mobi formatted to your desires?  If you have, you're one in five
> hundred.  Everyone recommends Pandoc, but finding people who have used
> it is like finding a needle in a haystack, and when you find such
> people and ask them how to do the conversion, they point you to
> Internet sites with procedures that make installing Gentoo or Arch a
> one click process.

I haven't written a book yet.  But pandoc is very powerful and I have
been tweaking its templates to generate (LyX) reports and/or (LyX)
beamer presentations from MindMaps.  Using a bash script or a Makefile.


> By the way, same thing goes for Asciidoc, Asciidoctor, Markdown, and
> Multimarkdown.  Evvverybody recommends it, but few have used it to
> make books in which the author declares and uses styles.

As the above workflow uses Markdown, I am starting to experiment with
(Dragon) dictating Markdown, to later mess with the thing in LyX.

> 
>> For LaTeX there is lwarp at
>>
>>  https://ctan.org/pkg/lwarp
>>
>> which also looks interesting.
> 
> I wish I had a dime for every hour I spent, on solutions to this
> problems, that "look interesting".  99% of them turn out to be
> converters whose first step is to convert your styles into appearance,
> guaranteeing garbaged up output.

Keep on trucking.  Or was that trying?

One of these days s/looks interesting/works/ :-)-O

>> XML would be a great step, and not only for epub.  But that would be
>> a fundamental change, and who's going to do it?
> 
> And that's where the rubber meets the road.  Look back to the thread,
> starting on 7/22/2008, subject "Progress on the MS Word to LyX
> conversion".  In that thread, against my warnings, by the way, several
> top Lyx developers promised an XML native format for LyX 1.7x.  Not
> pidgeon XML. Not almost XML. Not halfassed XML. They promised XML.
> With a DTD, no less.
>
> Now my position was that XML is much harder to parse with Unix core
> utilities, so I was against it.  But at least I figured that if it
> went XML, I could find an XML parser to do what I had been doing.
> With much more difficulty.  But doable.
> 
> But they went only half way, harming the inherent coreutils
> parsability without enabling the file to be processed by an XML
> parser.
> 
> If memory serves me, 1.6 already had some XML-ish changes to the
> native format, I don't remember a 1.7, and 2.0 introduced the pidgeon
> XML we know today.  Over 7 years have elapsed since 2.0's
> introduction, over a decade has elapsed since it was decided to have a
> well formed XML native format validated with a DTD.

You do understand the concept of Open Source, right?  If only for Caveat
Emptor?

> Retina display and iOS and all this Apple compatibility is nice, but
> I'll repeat, it's not 2008 and PDF is no longer the only game in town,
> and I think priority should be placed on finishing what was started in
> July of 2008.

So you are joing the development team?

el

Re: LyX on iPad

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Following your last observation Anders, Adobe had a flowing PDF project, but I 
do not know what happened to it. Do you know?

Murat Yildizoglu
Le 6 nov. 2018 à 16:50 +0100, Anders Host-Madsen , a 
écrit :
> Still have not found the proper way to post to thread, so I just hope it will 
> show up the right place.
>
> First, for the topic of the thread: I have now tried 1) rollapp.com and 2) 
> remote access to my Mac from iPad (Screens and TeamWiever). rollapp.com is 
> too limited (e.g., shortcuts and arrow keys don't work) and expensive. Remote 
> access is too slow and unreliable to be a solution. So, the only solution 
> would be some type of native app on iPad.
>
> I do think of LyX as a frontend for LaTeX, and not at all irrelevant. In 
> fact, it is the software I use the most of all software that I have. It has 
> completely revolutionized my workflow, as it's now so easy to write LaTeX.
>
> I think the issue is not that LyX is outdated, but that LaTeX is outdated. 
> It's made for typesetting on paper, and honestly most reading now is done on 
> screens. For that PDF is terrible. It's fixed format for printing. Instead, 
> what is needed is mathematical typesetting that is free-flowing and adaptable 
> to the screen it's read on (including a phone). Is there any work going on on 
> that kind of standard?

Re: LyX on iPad

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Still have not found the proper way to post to thread, so I just hope it will 
show up the right place.
First, for the topic of the thread: I have now tried 1) rollapp.com and 2) 
remote access to my Mac from iPad (Screens and TeamWiever). rollapp.com is too 
limited (e.g., shortcuts and arrow keys don't work) and expensive. Remote 
access is too slow and unreliable to be a solution. So, the only solution would 
be some type of native app on iPad.
I do think of LyX as a frontend for LaTeX, and not at all irrelevant. In fact, 
it is the software I use the most of all software that I have. It has 
completely revolutionized my workflow, as it's now so easy to write LaTeX.
I think the issue is not that LyX is outdated, but that LaTeX is outdated. It's 
made for typesetting on paper, and honestly most reading now is done on 
screens. For that PDF is terrible. It's fixed format for printing. Instead, 
what is needed is mathematical typesetting that is free-flowing and adaptable 
to the screen it's read on (including a phone). Is there any work going on on 
that kind of standard?

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/5/18 4:55 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote:


I might well just be naive but I'm not getting this line of criticism 
at all. LyX has always been a frontend to LaTeX, right? That's it's 
/raison d'etre./ It's still the only game in town to that end, and 
it's fabulous at it. LaTeX creates PDFs. So you use LyX to create 
PDFs. Seems to me if you're using LyX with the intention of getting an 
ePub or mobi doc, you're expecting it to do something it wasn't — by 
its nature — designed for. You want ePub or mobi, use something else.


An application of the sort that Mr Litt wants would be a Very Good 
Thing.  But it would be far better to create such an application by 
starting fresh than by utterly recoding LyX.  And Mr Litt's claim that 
LyX is becoming ever less relevant is badly constructed and simply false.


As I suggested elsewhere, it's somewhat as if someone argued that LyX 
should become a first-person shooter game.


BTW, LaTeX predates .PDFs; and I primarily use LyX to create .tex 
files, for publishers who then use those files to create files for 
publication, perhaps .PDFs, but not with LyX.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Christopher Menzel]

I might well just be naive but I'm not getting this line of criticism at all. 
LyX has always been a frontend to LaTeX, right? That's it's raison d'etre. It's 
still the only game in town to that end, and it's fabulous at it. LaTeX creates 
PDFs. So you use LyX to create PDFs. Seems to me if you're using LyX with the 
intention of getting an ePub or mobi doc, you're expecting it to do something 
it wasn't — by its nature — designed for. You want ePub or mobi, use something 
else.

-chris

> On 5 Nov 2018, at 3:45 , Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:36:13 +0200
> Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> I fundamentally disagree about the relevance.
>> 
>> LyX is a front end for LaTeX, not a document format. And it is a
>> FANTASTIC front end, which can be twsited to do a lot of things :-)-O
> 
> Sure, but LaTeX isn't the only game in town the way it was 10 years ago
> (unless you took Docbook seriously a decade ago). Most new books are
> ePubs or derivative mobis or whatever.
> 
> 
>> 
>> pandoc can produce an epub from (reasonable) LaTeX (exported from
>> LyX), which kindlegen can translate into mobi.
> 
> Yeah. I've had hundreds of people recommend pandoc and XSLT and the
> like. Have *you* ever successfully used pandoc to create HTML or ePub
> or mobi formatted to your desires? If you have, you're one in five
> hundred. Everyone recommends Pandoc, but finding people who have used
> it is like finding a needle in a haystack, and when you find such
> people and ask them how to do the conversion, they point you to
> Internet sites with procedures that make installing Gentoo or Arch a one
> click process.
> 
> By the way, same thing goes for Asciidoc, Asciidoctor, Markdown, and
> Multimarkdown. Evvverybody recommends it, but few have used it to make
> books in which the author declares and uses styles.
> 
>> For LaTeX there is lwarp at
>> 
>>  https://ctan.org/pkg/lwarp
>> 
>> which also looks interesting.
> 
> I wish I had a dime for every hour I spent, on solutions to this
> problems, that "look interesting". 99% of them turn out to be
> converters whose first step is to convert your styles into appearance,
> guaranteeing garbaged up output.
> 
> 
>> 
>> XML would be a great step, and not only for epub. But that would be a
>> fundamental change, and who's going to do it?
> 
> And that's where the rubber meets the road. Look back to the thread,
> starting on 7/22/2008, subject "Progress on the MS Word to LyX
> conversion". In that thread, against my warnings, by the way, several
> top Lyx developers promised an XML native format for LyX 1.7x. Not
> pidgeon XML. Not almost XML. Not halfassed XML. They promised XML. With
> a DTD, no less.
> 
> Now my position was that XML is much harder to parse with Unix core
> utilities, so I was against it. But at least I figured that if it went
> XML, I could find an XML parser to do what I had been doing. With much
> more difficulty. But doable. 
> 
> But they went only half way, harming the inherent coreutils parsability
> without enabling the file to be processed by an XML parser.
> 
> If memory serves me, 1.6 already had some XML-ish changes to the native
> format, I don't remember a 1.7, and 2.0 introduced the pidgeon XML we
> know today. Over 7 years have elapsed since 2.0's introduction, over a
> decade has elapsed since it was decided to have a well formed XML
> native format validated with a DTD.
> 
> Retina display and iOS and all this Apple compatibility is nice, but
> I'll repeat, it's not 2008 and PDF is no longer the only game in town,
> and I think priority should be placed on finishing what was started in
> July of 2008.
> 
> SteveT

Re: LyX on iPad

[Alan Tyree]

Hi Steve,
Could you elaborate a bit on your pandoc/markdown comments? What kind of
formatting is it that you find difficult/deficient. My impression is that
it creates pretty clean HTML so that the formatting is via CSS.

I have been helping a friend produce travel diaries for his family and
friends, aiming for a PDF and an ePub product from the same source. I doubt
that my formatting requirements are as demanding as yours, but the results
that we have had are pretty good.

Of course, I wouldn't start from LyX/LaTeX to produce these things since
the pandoc LaTeX -> HTML usually requires a lot of massaging.

Cheers,
Alan

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 08:46, Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:36:13 +0200
> Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:
>
> > Steve,
> >
> > I fundamentally disagree about the relevance.
> >
> > LyX is a front end for LaTeX, not a document format. And it is a
> > FANTASTIC front end, which can be twsited to do a lot of things :-)-O
>
> Sure, but LaTeX isn't the only game in town the way it was 10 years ago
> (unless you took Docbook seriously a decade ago). Most new books are
> ePubs or derivative mobis or whatever.
>
>
> >
> > pandoc can produce an epub from (reasonable) LaTeX (exported from
> > LyX), which kindlegen can translate into mobi.
>
> Yeah. I've had hundreds of people recommend pandoc and XSLT and the
> like. Have *you* ever successfully used pandoc to create HTML or ePub
> or mobi formatted to your desires? If you have, you're one in five
> hundred. Everyone recommends Pandoc, but finding people who have used
> it is like finding a needle in a haystack, and when you find such
> people and ask them how to do the conversion, they point you to
> Internet sites with procedures that make installing Gentoo or Arch a one
> click process.
>
> By the way, same thing goes for Asciidoc, Asciidoctor, Markdown, and
> Multimarkdown. Evvverybody recommends it, but few have used it to make
> books in which the author declares and uses styles.
>
> > For LaTeX there is lwarp at
> >
> >   https://ctan.org/pkg/lwarp
> >
> > which also looks interesting.
>
> I wish I had a dime for every hour I spent, on solutions to this
> problems, that "look interesting". 99% of them turn out to be
> converters whose first step is to convert your styles into appearance,
> guaranteeing garbaged up output.
>
>
> >
> > XML would be a great step, and not only for epub. But that would be a
> > fundamental change, and who's going to do it?
>
> And that's where the rubber meets the road. Look back to the thread,
> starting on 7/22/2008, subject "Progress on the MS Word to LyX
> conversion". In that thread, against my warnings, by the way, several
> top Lyx developers promised an XML native format for LyX 1.7x. Not
> pidgeon XML. Not almost XML. Not halfassed XML. They promised XML. With
> a DTD, no less.
>
> Now my position was that XML is much harder to parse with Unix core
> utilities, so I was against it. But at least I figured that if it went
> XML, I could find an XML parser to do what I had been doing. With much
> more difficulty. But doable.
>
> But they went only half way, harming the inherent coreutils parsability
> without enabling the file to be processed by an XML parser.
>
> If memory serves me, 1.6 already had some XML-ish changes to the native
> format, I don't remember a 1.7, and 2.0 introduced the pidgeon XML we
> know today. Over 7 years have elapsed since 2.0's introduction, over a
> decade has elapsed since it was decided to have a well formed XML
> native format validated with a DTD.
>
> Retina display and iOS and all this Apple compatibility is nice, but
> I'll repeat, it's not 2008 and PDF is no longer the only game in town,
> and I think priority should be placed on finishing what was started in
> July of 2008.
>
> SteveT
>


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan

Re: LyX on iPad

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:36:13 +0200
Dr Eberhard Lisse  wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> I fundamentally disagree about the relevance.
> 
> LyX is a front end for LaTeX, not a document format. And it is a
> FANTASTIC front end, which can be twsited to do a lot of things :-)-O

Sure, but LaTeX isn't the only game in town the way it was 10 years ago
(unless you took Docbook seriously a decade ago). Most new books are
ePubs or derivative mobis or whatever.


> 
> pandoc can produce an epub from (reasonable) LaTeX (exported from
> LyX), which kindlegen can translate into mobi.

Yeah. I've had hundreds of people recommend pandoc and XSLT and the
like. Have *you* ever successfully used pandoc to create HTML or ePub
or mobi formatted to your desires? If you have, you're one in five
hundred. Everyone recommends Pandoc, but finding people who have used
it is like finding a needle in a haystack, and when you find such
people and ask them how to do the conversion, they point you to
Internet sites with procedures that make installing Gentoo or Arch a one
click process.

By the way, same thing goes for Asciidoc, Asciidoctor, Markdown, and
Multimarkdown. Evvverybody recommends it, but few have used it to make
books in which the author declares and uses styles.

> For LaTeX there is lwarp at
> 
>   https://ctan.org/pkg/lwarp
> 
> which also looks interesting.

I wish I had a dime for every hour I spent, on solutions to this
problems, that "look interesting". 99% of them turn out to be
converters whose first step is to convert your styles into appearance,
guaranteeing garbaged up output.


> 
> XML would be a great step, and not only for epub. But that would be a
> fundamental change, and who's going to do it?

And that's where the rubber meets the road. Look back to the thread,
starting on 7/22/2008, subject "Progress on the MS Word to LyX
conversion". In that thread, against my warnings, by the way, several
top Lyx developers promised an XML native format for LyX 1.7x. Not
pidgeon XML. Not almost XML. Not halfassed XML. They promised XML. With
a DTD, no less.

Now my position was that XML is much harder to parse with Unix core
utilities, so I was against it. But at least I figured that if it went
XML, I could find an XML parser to do what I had been doing. With much
more difficulty. But doable. 

But they went only half way, harming the inherent coreutils parsability
without enabling the file to be processed by an XML parser.

If memory serves me, 1.6 already had some XML-ish changes to the native
format, I don't remember a 1.7, and 2.0 introduced the pidgeon XML we
know today. Over 7 years have elapsed since 2.0's introduction, over a
decade has elapsed since it was decided to have a well formed XML
native format validated with a DTD.

Retina display and iOS and all this Apple compatibility is nice, but
I'll repeat, it's not 2008 and PDF is no longer the only game in town,
and I think priority should be placed on finishing what was started in
July of 2008.

SteveT

Re: LyX on iPad

[Steve Litt]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 21:48:56 -0700
"Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)"
 wrote:

> On 11/2/18 9:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > 
> > Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year.   
> 
> I don't think that peer-reviewed academic publication is going to
> vanish anytime soon; and, over about the last decade, 

Exactly! A decade ago LyX was about a lot more than peer-reviewed
academic publications, and 15 years ago it was safe to assume that
paper and PDF were enough output formats. More and more, LyX is
relegated to peer-reviewed academic publication, blissfully ignorant
that phones and tablets use flowing text documents like, and
convertable from, ePub. 

SteveT

Re: LyX on iPad

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Steve,

I fundamentally disagree about the relevance.

LyX is a front end for LaTeX, not a document format. And it is a
FANTASTIC front end, which can be twsited to do a lot of things :-)-O

pandoc can produce an epub from (reasonable) LaTeX (exported from LyX),
which kindlegen can translate into mobi.

For LaTeX there is lwarp at

https://ctan.org/pkg/lwarp

which also looks interesting.

XML would be a great step, and not only for epub. But that would be a
fundamental change, and who's going to do it?




On 2018-11-02 18:57 , Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:41:00 + (UTC)
> Anders Host-Madsen  wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX
>> for iPad. 
> 
> Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year. Here, in
> 2018, LyX *still* cannot produce an semantically reasonable ePub,  and
> even the semantically unreasonable ePubs require tons of human
> intervention. LyX can't produce docs easily readable on iPads and other
> portable devices because no ePub (and thus no Kindle). A decade ago it
> was decided to make the (then) easily parsable LyX native format into
> XML, but the transition stopped halfway, so it's unparseable by XML
> parsers, and yet it's miserable to parse with a Python program.
> 
> And all this while, where's the priority? LyX for Retina displays. LyX
> for iPad (like anyone is capable of pounding out 2K words per day with
> an iPad). All sorts of lilly-gilding, but LyX still can't do a
> reasonable job of exporting the format used by portable devices, and
> LyX' native format is still a jumble unparsable by an XML parser.
> 
> I have nothing against Apple afficianados getting their every dream,
> but if there's not the programmer-power to do everything, then for gosh
> sakes, first make LyX native format truly XML and produce a 1 click ePub
> converter that creates **semantic** ePubs.
> 
> SteveT
> 

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/3/18 4:16 PM, Steve Litt wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


On 11/2/18 9:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year.   

I don't think that peer-reviewed academic publication is going to 
vanish anytime soon; and, over about the last decade, 


Exactly! A decade ago LyX was about a lot more than peer-reviewed
academic publications, and 15 years ago it was safe to assume that
paper and PDF were enough output formats. More and more, LyX is
relegated to peer-reviewed academic publication.


There's no “Exactly!” here.  LyX becomes increasingly useful in its 
intended application.  The fact that it doesn't become some other 
application as applications of that other class become more popular 
doesn't change that.


You might as well demand that LyX evolve into a first-person shooter 
game.  Those are really popular, y'know.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/2/18 9:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote:


Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year. 


I don't think that peer-reviewed academic publication is going to
vanish anytime soon; and, over about the last decade, I've observed
journals continuing to transition from accepting manuscripts in the
form of Word .DOCs and the like to insisting upon LaTeX files.  LyX is
the best WYSIWY_ editor that I've found for creating such files.  That
has made it of _increasing_ relevance, though its relevance may be
alien to your particular purposes.

A WYSIWY_ editor may some day be published that is of more general
purpose and still able to generate decent LaTeX.  But, until that
time, or until academic publishers begin moving away from LaTeX, LyX
will hold its relevance very nicely.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I have not really figured out how to properly reply to the mailing list. 
Hopefully this ends up the right place.
First, I tried rollapp.com. It’s not too bad, in fact. The interface is not 
touch optimized, but one can use the Apple Pencil to click the small icons. A 
little slow. Perhaps OK if one wants to run LyX on iPad occasionally, but then 
kind of expensive to subscribe; on the other hand, if one wants to use it 
often, the interface becomes too cumbersome and slow. So, not a real solution.
With respect to what I want to do: I would like to be able to edit a LyX 
document when I’m on the go. I might have a LyX document started on my 
computer, but then when I’m out I would like to continue to edit on the iPad, 
and then later on my computer again.
One possibility is of course to convert the lyx document to latex, edit it 
there, and then convert back to LyX on computer. But as we know, things do get 
lost in the conversion back and forth between LyX and LaTeX. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

Re: LyX on iPad

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Steve if there was a correctly working and useful Linux or Windows tablet, I 
would buy it for LyX because it is very relevant to me. Unfortunately, iPad is 
only usable tablet today from my point of view (I have tried a Lenovo tablet 
under Windows 10, it was unusable as a tablet, unfortunately Linux does not 
drivers for it). I have had to buy a small Macbook just because of this.

A naive question on Latex -> semantic XML: is it possible if one starts from 
Latex? My question is the compatibility of the Latex structure (which has been 
created with a specific objective) with such an output, I suppose. I am 
completely ignorant on this topic and I know that you have been struggling with 
this issue over the years, hence my question.

Murat Yildizoglu
Le 2 nov. 2018 à 17:58 +0100, Steve Litt , a écrit :
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:41:00 + (UTC)
> Anders Host-Madsen  wrote:
>
> > Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX
> > for iPad.
>
> Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year. Here, in
> 2018, LyX *still* cannot produce an semantically reasonable ePub, and
> even the semantically unreasonable ePubs require tons of human
> intervention. LyX can't produce docs easily readable on iPads and other
> portable devices because no ePub (and thus no Kindle). A decade ago it
> was decided to make the (then) easily parsable LyX native format into
> XML, but the transition stopped halfway, so it's unparseable by XML
> parsers, and yet it's miserable to parse with a Python program.
>
> And all this while, where's the priority? LyX for Retina displays. LyX
> for iPad (like anyone is capable of pounding out 2K words per day with
> an iPad). All sorts of lilly-gilding, but LyX still can't do a
> reasonable job of exporting the format used by portable devices, and
> LyX' native format is still a jumble unparsable by an XML parser.
>
> I have nothing against Apple afficianados getting their every dream,
> but if there's not the programmer-power to do everything, then for gosh
> sakes, first make LyX native format truly XML and produce a 1 click ePub
> converter that creates **semantic** ePubs.
>
> SteveT

Re: LyX on iPad

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:41:00 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen  wrote:

> Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX
> for iPad. 

Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year. Here, in
2018, LyX *still* cannot produce an semantically reasonable ePub,  and
even the semantically unreasonable ePubs require tons of human
intervention. LyX can't produce docs easily readable on iPads and other
portable devices because no ePub (and thus no Kindle). A decade ago it
was decided to make the (then) easily parsable LyX native format into
XML, but the transition stopped halfway, so it's unparseable by XML
parsers, and yet it's miserable to parse with a Python program.

And all this while, where's the priority? LyX for Retina displays. LyX
for iPad (like anyone is capable of pounding out 2K words per day with
an iPad). All sorts of lilly-gilding, but LyX still can't do a
reasonable job of exporting the format used by portable devices, and
LyX' native format is still a jumble unparsable by an XML parser.

I have nothing against Apple afficianados getting their every dream,
but if there's not the programmer-power to do everything, then for gosh
sakes, first make LyX native format truly XML and produce a 1 click ePub
converter that creates **semantic** ePubs.

SteveT

Re: LyX on iPad

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

What is it that you want to do?

Type text into LyX, or generate PDF?

If the former, Markdown might be an alternative, and then generating
LaTeX with pandoc and from there with tex2lyx to LyX proper.  This will
work out of the box on Linux and Mac, but I have no idea about Windoze.

greetings, el

On 2018-11-02 02:13 , Erik Apostol (Che-hsiu Cheng) wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 09:40 Scott Kostyshak  > wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 07:41:00PM +, Anders Host-Madsen
> wrote:
> > Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a
> > LyX for iPad.
> 
> I doubt it's what you're looking for, but note that you can use
> LyX on the cloud.  e.g.,
> 
>   https://www.rollapp.com/app/lyx
> 
> 
> I've tried rollapp, but it says "We're working on bringing rollApp to
> Android."
> 
> 
> 
> Scott
> 

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/1/18 7:29 PM, David L. Johnson wrote:



>> At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.
>> I've taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how
>> much I would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the
>> Android interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two
>> projects.  I assume that the demands of programming for iOS are
>> similar.  


That is a disappointment.  Given Android's start as an offshoot of
linux, you would think it would be more straightforward. 


Yup.  But the GUI API is distinct.  It's Java, but it's 
read-another-goddamn'd-book Java.



This would
also enable (I think) LyX to run on netbooks, since AFAIK they are
Android machines 


While I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there were some netbooks 
to which only Android had been ported, I'm replying to you on a 
netbook that originally came with Windows 7 and on which I installed 
Linux. Somewhere I have a flash drive from which I can boot Android on 
this box.



--- and since they have real keyboards they would make
a usable platform. 


Physical keyboards that make Bluetooth connections with Android 
devices have been available for a while.  I like that which I got from 
Logitech.


I do believe TeX is available in some form. 


VerbTeX Pro is an Android LaTeX editor, and can use an online server 
to generate a .PDF.  Other tools of potential interest are QuickTeX 
and Detexify.

Re: LyX on iPad

[David L. Johnson]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:41:54 -0600
Joel Kulesza  wrote:

> >> At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.
> >> I've taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how
> >> much I would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the
> >> Android interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two
> >> projects.  I assume that the demands of programming for iOS are
> >> similar.  
> > 
That is a disappointment.  Given Android's start as an offshoot of
linux, you would think it would be more straightforward.  This would
also enable (I think) LyX to run on netbooks, since AFAIK they are
Android machines --- and since they have real keyboards they would make
a usable platform.  I do believe TeX is available in some form.  I also
have no idea why porting to the iPad would be significantly harder than
a Mac.  I am, perhaps, too naive.

-- 

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: LyX on iPad

[Erik Apostol (Che-hsiu Cheng)]

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 09:40 Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 07:41:00PM +, Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
> > Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX for
> iPad.
>
> I doubt it's what you're looking for, but note that you can use LyX on
> the cloud. e.g.,
>
>   https://www.rollapp.com/app/lyx


I've tried rollapp, but it says "We're working on bringing rollApp to
Android."


>
> Scott
>

Re: LyX on iPad

[Joel Kulesza]

On Nov 1, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> 
> On 11/1/18 6:42 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the
> bunch) wrote:
>> On 11/1/18 12:41 PM, Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX
>>> for iPad. 
>> 
>> I don't think that anyone is opposed to the idea, but it requires
>> developers willing and _able_ to port to the iPad.
>> 
>> I think that your hope would be in finding some programmers already
>> familiar with iOS, and somehow getting them excited about LyX.
>> 
>> At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.  I've
>> taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how much I
>> would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the Android
>> interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two projects.  I
>> assume that the demands of programming for iOS are similar.
> 
> 
> No doubt. A slightly different possibility would be (a) find a developer
> who'd be willing to commit to doing the work for X dollars, and then (b)
> crowdfund the effort. We have had success with this before. I think
> spellcheck-on-the-fly was done this way. I could be wrong, but SOMETHING
> was done that way.


It seems that spellcheck-on-the-fly and change tracking were done this way.

https://www.lyx.org/Donate

- Joel

Re: LyX on iPad

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 07:41:00PM +, Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
> Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX for iPad.

I doubt it's what you're looking for, but note that you can use LyX on
the cloud. e.g., 

  https://www.rollapp.com/app/lyx

Scott


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Re: LyX on iPad

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 11/1/18 6:42 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the
bunch) wrote:
> On 11/1/18 12:41 PM, Anders Host-Madsen wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX
>> for iPad. 
>
> I don't think that anyone is opposed to the idea, but it requires
> developers willing and _able_ to port to the iPad.
>
> I think that your hope would be in finding some programmers already
> familiar with iOS, and somehow getting them excited about LyX.
>
> At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.  I've
> taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how much I
> would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the Android
> interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two projects.  I
> assume that the demands of programming for iOS are similar.


No doubt. A slightly different possibility would be (a) find a developer
who'd be willing to commit to doing the work for X dollars, and then (b)
crowdfund the effort. We have had success with this before. I think
spellcheck-on-the-fly was done this way. I could be wrong, but SOMETHING
was done that way.

Riki

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/1/18 12:41 PM, Anders Host-Madsen wrote:


Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX 
for iPad. 


I don't think that anyone is opposed to the idea, but it requires 
developers willing and _able_ to port to the iPad.


I think that your hope would be in finding some programmers already 
familiar with iOS, and somehow getting them excited about LyX.


At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.  I've 
taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how much I 
would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the Android 
interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two projects.  I 
assume that the demands of programming for iOS are similar.

LyX on iPad

[Anders Host-Madsen]

Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX for iPad. 
Apple more and more positions the iPad as a computer replacement. And recent 
developments has made that come closer for me. Latex is there, Keynote now can 
do latex, and Pythonista can do (basic) Python. The only thing preventing me 
from just bringing my iPad when I travel is the lack of LyX.

Re: LyX on iPad (or other Tablet devices)

[Peter Kelly]

On 12/04/2012, at 2:13 PM, am...@bath.ac.uk wrote:

> Dear LyX,
> 
> Is it possible to run LyX software on an Apple iPad or other Tablet  
> devices such as Android etc.? (I assume it can run on Windows 7 tablet  
> devices?)

Although LyX itself doesn't run on the iPad, I'm currently working a similar 
app called UX Write which follows the same basic authoring philosophy but is 
designed specifically for the iPad. It uses HTML as its native file format (and 
WebKit for on-screen layout & PDF output) but in a future release it will 
support import & export of LaTeX documents. It's a commercial product but will 
be priced fairly cheaply, at a similar cost to Pages/Documents to go etc.

The first release isn't out yet but is currently in private beta testing. I'm 
looking for feedback from as many people as possible so I'm happy to send you a 
copy of the beta to try if you're interested.

Some more info is available at:

http://www.uxproductivity.com/blog/
http://ffeathers.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/new-text-processor-for-ios-ux-write-looking-for-beta-testers/

> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Andrew Smith (Year 1 - Mathematical Sciences)

--
Dr. Peter M. Kelly
kelly...@gmail.com
http://www.kellypmk.net/

Re: LyX on iPad (or other Tablet devices)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-04-13, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

> Lyx on the iPad would be a dream... and risk to remain a dream, since Lyx
> is based on QT and I have a lot of doubts that Qt based softs will be
> available on this platform some day. :-(  Lyx is a complete ecosystem of
> tools. Even a minimal editing interface for Lyx would be magnificent, but
> the whole interface is based on QT, as far as I know... In the mean time, I
> export to Latex and use TexTouch on iPAD, it is a rather decent Latex
> editor, with some Preview possibilities using their server or your laptop.

If Python is available on the iPad, you can use elyxer+browser as a "LyX
viewer app".

>> Is it possible to run LyX software on an Apple iPad or other Tablet
>> devices such as Android etc.?

I don't know about Android, but this should be possible. OTOH, the Archos 10
can also run Angström Linux and there is even a Debian port. So running LyX
on it is relatively straightforward.

Günter

Re: LyX on iPad (or other Tablet devices)

[stefano franchi]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Murat Yildizoglu 
> wrote:
> > Lyx on the iPad would be a dream... and risk to remain a dream, since
> Lyx is
> >
> Hmm, perhaps a bit closer than we suspect.
>
>
 QT5 (to be released this summer, I believe) is being ported to Android, I
understand?

http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2012/04/03/qt-5-alpha-is-here-providing-a-taste-of-the-future/


Does that mean a LyX-Andreoid port is a (perhaps remote) possibility?


S.
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__
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Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas A&M University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: LyX on iPad (or other Tablet devices)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Murat Yildizoglu  wrote:
> Lyx on the iPad would be a dream... and risk to remain a dream, since Lyx is
>
Hmm, perhaps a bit closer than we suspect.


> based on QT and I have a lot of doubts that Qt based softs will be available
> on this platform some day. :-(
>
If Mark Shuttleworth makes good on his promise to come up with a
Ubuntu version for tablets* [1] (he estimates 14.04 LTS Ubuntu), and
this Ubuntu is a genuine Linux coming along with X.Org et al., then I
see little reason why LyX wouldn't be available on tablets in the
medium-term future. As for right now, I agree with Murat that LyX
cannot be used on Android or iOS unless someone comes up with a port,
which I guess would be difficult to unfeasible.

Regards
Liviu

* In this case, for once people will come to appreciate the Unity interface.

[1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/820


> Lyx is a complete ecosystem of tools. Even a
> minimal editing interface for Lyx would be magnificent, but the whole
> interface is based on QT, as far as I know... In the mean time, I export to
> Latex and use TexTouch on iPAD, it is a rather decent Latex editor, with
> some Preview possibilities using their server or your laptop.
>
> 2012/4/12 
>
>> Dear LyX,
>>
>> Is it possible to run LyX software on an Apple iPad or other Tablet
>> devices such as Android etc.? (I assume it can run on Windows 7 tablet
>> devices?)
>>
>> Many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Andrew Smith (Year 1 - Mathematical Sciences)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Prof. Murat Yildizoglu
>
> Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
> GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
> Avenue Léon Duguit
> 33608 Pessac cedex
> France
>
> Bureau : F-331
>
> yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr
>
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