Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > I see this, too. Seems to be a bug in the preview generation. > > It looks like the additional space only is inserted if you use an opening > bracket "[". Can you confirm this? And the good news is that the problem seems to have disappeared in forthcoming LyX 1.4 Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > I see this, too. Seems to be a bug in the preview generation. It looks like the additional space only is inserted if you use an opening bracket "[". Can you confirm this? Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Stacia Hartleben wrote: > Hmm, been trying to use some IPA in documents - does anyone else have > the problem that when instant preview is used and you can see the IPA, > the formatting of the document is really weird (as in, you can't put > it inside a large amount of text, there is a very large gap between > the display and the rest of the text). When you go back into editing > mode, it is fine. I see this, too. Seems to be a bug in the preview generation. > Also, any ideas on how to get around shortcuts which use the pipe > character | ? It seems to change them into a double pipe when going > into the equasion. But the output is correct then, isn't it? Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Hmm, been trying to use some IPA in documents - does anyone else have
the problem that when instant preview is used and you can see the IPA,
the formatting of the document is really weird (as in, you can't put
it inside a large amount of text, there is a very large gap between
the display and the rest of the text). When you go back into editing
mode, it is fine.
Also, any ideas on how to get around shortcuts which use the pipe
character | ? It seems to change them into a double pipe when going
into the equasion.
On 2/23/06, Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacia Hartleben wrote:
> > Did anyone find out how to make it so glosses go under the nodes on
> > the tree - usually with the // command?
>
> I think you have to fool mathed. The following hack works for me (the
> mathematicians might come up with a better solution):
>
> In preamble:
> \newcommand{\breakline}{\\}
>
> (the LaTeX commands \linebreak and \newline do not work)
>
> And then:
> \Tree[.S [.N This\breakline Das ] [.V is\breakline ist ] [.NP [.Det
> a\breakline ein ] [.N test\breakline Versuch ] ] ]
>
> > Also, is there a way to make
> > it automatically preview all of the images once you open a document
> > other than clicking on the formula a bunch of times?
>
> It works for me automatically, albeit I have to wait a bit sometimes until the
> images are converted.
>
> HTH,
> Jürgen
>
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Stacia Hartleben wrote:
> Did anyone find out how to make it so glosses go under the nodes on
> the tree - usually with the // command?
I think you have to fool mathed. The following hack works for me (the
mathematicians might come up with a better solution):
In preamble:
\newcommand{\breakline}{\\}
(the LaTeX commands \linebreak and \newline do not work)
And then:
\Tree[.S [.N This\breakline Das ] [.V is\breakline ist ] [.NP [.Det
a\breakline ein ] [.N test\breakline Versuch ] ] ]
> Also, is there a way to make
> it automatically preview all of the images once you open a document
> other than clicking on the formula a bunch of times?
It works for me automatically, albeit I have to wait a bit sometimes until the
images are converted.
HTH,
Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Thanks for updating the Wiki guys, you put a lot of stuff in there that I didn't know about!! Did anyone find out how to make it so glosses go under the nodes on the tree - usually with the // command? Also, is there a way to make it automatically preview all of the images once you open a document other than clicking on the formula a bunch of times? On 2/22/06, Maria Gouskova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The problem is that you are in math-text-mode at the moment. The > > greek letters > > have to be in math-math mode. > > That is > > \Tree [.$\sigma$ $\mu$ $\mu$ ] > > oh, duh... okay, it's going in the linguist-lyx wiki. > > maria > >
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
The problem is that you are in math-text-mode at the moment. The greek letters have to be in math-math mode. That is \Tree [.$\sigma$ $\mu$ $\mu$ ] oh, duh... okay, it's going in the linguist-lyx wiki. maria
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Maria Gouskova wrote: > on a related note... i have a bit of a problem with trees that > contain greek letters (for syllables and moraic structure, for example): > > sigma > / \ > mu mu > > this should be easy to do, but for some reason lyx freezes when i try > to typeset. i use lyx 1.3.7 and mac os 10.4.4. i enter the following > in math/text mode: > > \Tree [."sigma symbol" "mu symbol" "mu symbol " ] The problem is that you are in math-text-mode at the moment. The greek letters have to be in math-math mode. That is \Tree [.$\sigma$ $\mu$ $\mu$ ] HTH, Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
I have edited the TIPA documentation. Most notably, xytree is not needed at all to enter \textipa. thanks, jürgen! it's wonderful. on a related note... i have a bit of a problem with trees that contain greek letters (for syllables and moraic structure, for example): sigma / \ mu mu this should be easy to do, but for some reason lyx freezes when i try to typeset. i use lyx 1.3.7 and mac os 10.4.4. i enter the following in math/text mode: \Tree [."sigma symbol" "mu symbol" "mu symbol " ] and all i get is errors (missing brackets, etc.). qtree is definitely working correctly, as i can view and typeset \Tree [.a b c ] w/o a problem. am i doing something wrong? does anyone know another way of making trees with greek letters as nodes? maria
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Stacia Hartleben wrote: > I added a few things to the Wiki. Feel free to flesh it out if you > want and add new things (I don't do any optimality theory for examples > so I won't be writing anything related to it) Well done. I have edited the TIPA documentation. Most notably, xytree is not needed at all to enter \textipa. Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2006 21:11 schrieb Stacia Hartleben: > I'll see what I can write on it - although if others could add to it, > it might be better, because frankly I did not know what I was doing > when I found out how to make it display IPA and trees. Well, since it is a wiki simply write what you think is correct. If it turns out that there is a better way, then somebody else will mention it, but somebody needs to start. > Also if this is > going to get removed in 1.4 should we wait to write it? To make things clear: xymatrix support is not going to be removed in 1.4 in general. It is possible that 1.4.0 will not have it due to the fact that this bug was discovered only during the freeze, but 1.4.1 will have it for sure. If 1.4.0 will not have it that will be mentioned in the release notes, and those who rely on it will need to wait for 1.4.1. > (Although I've > been tracking the xymatrix bug page and it looks like it might be > fixed and included for 1.4!!) Right. It is possible, but not 100% sure yet. Georg
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
I added a few things to the Wiki. Feel free to flesh it out if you want and add new things (I don't do any optimality theory for examples so I won't be writing anything related to it) On 2/21/06, Stacia Hartleben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll see what I can write on it - although if others could add to it, > it might be better, because frankly I did not know what I was doing > when I found out how to make it display IPA and trees. Also if this is > going to get removed in 1.4 should we wait to write it? (Although I've > been tracking the xymatrix bug page and it looks like it might be > fixed and included for 1.4!!) > > On 2/21/06, Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maria Gouskova wrote: > > > what do people think of starting a wiki page "LyX for Linguists," > > > similar to "LaTeX for linguists"? > > > > I started such a page, using some of your text: > > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX > > > > Now it just needs to be filled with information. > > > > (It'd probably be good to use separate pages for different topics) > > > > Jürgen > > >
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
I'll see what I can write on it - although if others could add to it, it might be better, because frankly I did not know what I was doing when I found out how to make it display IPA and trees. Also if this is going to get removed in 1.4 should we wait to write it? (Although I've been tracking the xymatrix bug page and it looks like it might be fixed and included for 1.4!!) On 2/21/06, Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maria Gouskova wrote: > > what do people think of starting a wiki page "LyX for Linguists," > > similar to "LaTeX for linguists"? > > I started such a page, using some of your text: > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX > > Now it just needs to be filled with information. > > (It'd probably be good to use separate pages for different topics) > > Jürgen >
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Maria Gouskova wrote: > what do people think of starting a wiki page "LyX for Linguists," > similar to "LaTeX for linguists"? I started such a page, using some of your text: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX Now it just needs to be filled with information. (It'd probably be good to use separate pages for different topics) Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
I tried to get Covington (numbered examples) working but I can't seem
to do it using this same method. Everyone please vote on this bug at
bugzilla, or add comments: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325
I've set up covington by wiring it in as a paragraph environment and
modifying the default "article" class. The general instructions for
doing the latter can be found at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/
lyx/index.htm#textclass_mod_tut.
This will not display the numbers themselves in the LyX file, but
everything (including the cross-references) will typeset correctly in
the PDF. In the LyX file, the numbered example lines will appear as
blue text. As for the layout file itself, mine looks as follows. Save
it as something like "article_numbered.layout" and copy it to the
layouts folder of your LyX app support directory.
#% #% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
# \DeclareLaTeXClass[article]{article (+Numbered)}
# Article textclass definition file. Taken from initial LyX source code
# Author : Matthias Ettrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
# Transposed by Pascal Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
# Heavily modifed and enhanced by several developers.
# Input general definitions
Input stdclass.inc
# There are no chapters in an article.
NoStyle Chapter
NoStyle Chapter*
MaxCounter Counter_Section
SecNumDepth 3
TocDepth3
Preamble
\usepackage{covington}
\newenvironment{numbered}{\begin {example} }{\end{example}}
EndPreamble
Style Numbered
LatexType Environment
LatexName numbered
Align Left
AlignPossible Left
Font
Color Blue
EndFont
End
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
I tried to get Covington (numbered examples) working but I can't seem to do it using this same method. Everyone please vote on this bug at bugzilla, or add comments: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325 It's obvious LyX can support this stuff, we just have to get it implemented in a better way! I noticed when I went back to my document, it forgot to do instant preview until I clicked the formula boxes a bunch of times, which was inconvenient. It's also bad that after just learning this, the support will go away in LyX 1.4. Please vote on this bug too, to reintroduce xymatrix support: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2238 On 2/17/06, Maria Gouskova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stacia, this is great--I thought the only way to do trees and IPA in > LyX was in ERT. I don't know how many linguists are on this list, but > what do people think of starting a wiki page "LyX for Linguists," > similar to "LaTeX for linguists"? > > http://www.essex.ac.uk/linguistics/clmt/latex4ling/ > > Linguists, as opposed to, say mathematicians, have pretty specific > typographic and formatting needs that aren't obvious in LyX, such as: > > - a numbered paragraph environment, in parentheses, with numbering > sequential throughout the document > - table editing: double lines, dashed lines, shaded table cells (for > Optimality Theory) > - pointy hand symbol (for Optimality Theory) > - IPA fonts > - trees, syntactic and autosegmental/prosodic > - aligned glosses > - math symbols intermingled with phonetic symbols > - switching from one language's orthography to another in the same > document/paragraph/line > > Some of this is covered on Doug Arnold's LaTeX for linguists page, > but it would be nice to have a LyX-specific translation for > newcomers. If one ends up doing everything in ERT, LyX loses some of > its considerable charm! > > I'd be happy to contribute what I've learned about the tasks above. > (I don't know how to do everything in that list, though.) > > Maria > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Stacia Hartleben wrote: > > > I'd be happy to make an info page on the lyx wiki, except would it > > really be useful, now that 1.4 is going to get rid of the xymatrix > > support? That makes me really sad :( > > > > On 2/17/06, Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Herbert Voss wrote: > >>> do you know the following packages? > >>> > >>> Linguistic tree diagrams for Role and Reference Grammar (RRG) > >>> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/rrgtrees > >>> > >>> typesetting of trees that are common in linguistics > >>> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst- > >>> jftree/ > >>> > >>> Linguistic: autosegmental representations > >>> http://www.math.neu.edu/ling/tex/ > >> > >> I know that such packages exist. However, I do not use them. > >> > >> Jürgen > >> > >
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Stacia, this is great--I thought the only way to do trees and IPA in LyX was in ERT. I don't know how many linguists are on this list, but what do people think of starting a wiki page "LyX for Linguists," similar to "LaTeX for linguists"? http://www.essex.ac.uk/linguistics/clmt/latex4ling/ Linguists, as opposed to, say mathematicians, have pretty specific typographic and formatting needs that aren't obvious in LyX, such as: - a numbered paragraph environment, in parentheses, with numbering sequential throughout the document - table editing: double lines, dashed lines, shaded table cells (for Optimality Theory) - pointy hand symbol (for Optimality Theory) - IPA fonts - trees, syntactic and autosegmental/prosodic - aligned glosses - math symbols intermingled with phonetic symbols - switching from one language's orthography to another in the same document/paragraph/line Some of this is covered on Doug Arnold's LaTeX for linguists page, but it would be nice to have a LyX-specific translation for newcomers. If one ends up doing everything in ERT, LyX loses some of its considerable charm! I'd be happy to contribute what I've learned about the tasks above. (I don't know how to do everything in that list, though.) Maria On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Stacia Hartleben wrote: I'd be happy to make an info page on the lyx wiki, except would it really be useful, now that 1.4 is going to get rid of the xymatrix support? That makes me really sad :( On 2/17/06, Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Herbert Voss wrote: do you know the following packages? Linguistic tree diagrams for Role and Reference Grammar (RRG) http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/rrgtrees typesetting of trees that are common in linguistics http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst- jftree/ Linguistic: autosegmental representations http://www.math.neu.edu/ling/tex/ I know that such packages exist. However, I do not use them. Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Herbert Voss wrote: > here are some examples with code I see that your book grew quite a bit ;-) Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Stacia Hartleben wrote: > I'd be happy to make an info page on the lyx wiki, except would it > really be useful, now that 1.4 is going to get rid of the xymatrix > support? That makes me really sad :( at least the tipa part will be useful. Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
I'd be happy to make an info page on the lyx wiki, except would it really be useful, now that 1.4 is going to get rid of the xymatrix support? That makes me really sad :( On 2/17/06, Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Herbert Voss wrote: > > do you know the following packages? > > > > Linguistic tree diagrams for Role and Reference Grammar (RRG) > > http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/rrgtrees > > > > typesetting of trees that are common in linguistics > > http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst-jftree/ > > > > Linguistic: autosegmental representations > > http://www.math.neu.edu/ling/tex/ > > I know that such packages exist. However, I do not use them. > > Jürgen >
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Herbert Voss wrote: do you know the following packages? Linguistic tree diagrams for Role and Reference Grammar (RRG) http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/rrgtrees typesetting of trees that are common in linguistics http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst-jftree/ Linguistic: autosegmental representations http://www.math.neu.edu/ling/tex/ I know that such packages exist. However, I do not use them. here are some examples with code http://perce.de/pub/linguistic.pdf Herbert
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Herbert Voss wrote: > do you know the following packages? > > Linguistic tree diagrams for Role and Reference Grammar (RRG) > http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/rrgtrees > > typesetting of trees that are common in linguistics > http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst-jftree/ > > Linguistic: autosegmental representations > http://www.math.neu.edu/ling/tex/ I know that such packages exist. However, I do not use them. Jürgen
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Concerning TIPA, I'm tempted to have a look in the next development cycle (for 1.5), but don't hold your breath. There are so many things to do, and even if I'm a linguist myself, I don't need phonetic symbols frequently enough to get annoyed by the lacking support ;-) do you know the following packages? Linguistic tree diagrams for Role and Reference Grammar (RRG) http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/rrgtrees typesetting of trees that are common in linguistics http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/graphics/pstricks/contrib/pst-jftree/ Linguistic: autosegmental representations http://www.math.neu.edu/ling/tex/ Herbert
Re: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Stacia Hartleben wrote: > Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial > (http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX > and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working! That's nice indeed. Even if I knew we have some provisional code for tipa in our sources, I never figured out how to use it, and stuck with ERT. I think you should create an info page on the LyX wiki for this. > I heard that this support was going out in LyX > 1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support > for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next > release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy. AFAIK xymatrix was removed because it was rather buggy. Anyway, I think there's interest to readd it again soon, maybe even enhance it, see: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2238 Concerning TIPA, I'm tempted to have a look in the next development cycle (for 1.5), but don't hold your breath. There are so many things to do, and even if I'm a linguist myself, I don't need phonetic symbols frequently enough to get annoyed by the lacking support ;-) Jürgen
Re: Ling-TeX: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Sorry about the spam, but I figured out how to get simple trees from
qtree working (I much prefer it to xytree, but I thought only that
might work because of the xy library or something) Try a tree like
this:
\xymatrix{\text{\Tree[.S [.N This ] [.V is ] [.NP [.Det a ] [.N test ] ] ] } }
and then hit the convert to formula button. Yay! Doesn't work with
qtree, though, for some reason.
On 2/17/06, Stacia Hartleben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial
> (http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
> and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!
>
> Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
> example things like this:
>
> \xymatrix{& \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP} & & \xytrinode{VP} \\
> \xyterminal{It} & & \xyterminal{is raining} }
>
> \xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }
>
> The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
> TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
> about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
> xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
> 1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
> for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
> release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.
>
>
TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!
Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial
(http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!
Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
example things like this:
\xymatrix{& \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP} & & \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It} & & \xyterminal{is raining} }
\xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }
The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.
