CV and Pictures

2002-07-08 Thread Markus Reitz
Hi, I'm using the lyx cv (curriculum vitae) class. How can I put a picture at the upper right corner of the page? Thanks Markus __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! präsentiert als offizieller Sponsor das

Re: CV and Pictures

2002-07-08 Thread Herbert Voss
Markus Reitz wrote: I'm using the lyx cv (curriculum vitae) class. How can I put a picture at the upper right corner of the page? in the template cd.lyx put this before the telefon \raisebox{-\height}{ ... insert image via LyX ...} and now a control-enter Herbert --

Re: unable to see text in status line

2002-07-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Tzafrir == Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tzafrir Hi With certain installations of LyX I am unable to see the Tzafrir text of the status line (the lower line). With others I was Tzafrir able to see it. I am quite lost at where I set the font for Tzafrir there. Tzafrir I simply don't

\limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf
Hi, is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? And even worse, now I can't even change the position of limits neither with the toolbar nor with M-m-l (it worked under 1.1.6). I use SuSE 8.0 and downloaded the corresponding RPM file. I renamed my .lyx directory, so I

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? What is the problem? (I guess it must be a problem with my installation). By the way, can't we have a switch that tells lyx to place the limits

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas the subscript will be

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 01:16:17PM +0200, Ralf wrote: The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas the subscript will be under the \lim. When you save the file an reopen it, the \limits is gone, so that the

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Ralf wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:21:43PM +0200, Ralf wrote: I'll have a look. There is certainly something fishy there I could live with that. I had to before (defining something like \Lim=\lim\limits), but as I said in version 1.2.0 I can't even change the position of the limits not even

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: this applies to non inline formulas for me here, with some integrals (\iiint maybe) I can type the coomands, export or view correctly, but cannot save it export and save use exactly the same code. I would be surprised if they

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: this applies to non inline formulas for me here, with some integrals (\iiint maybe) I can type the coomands, export or view correctly, but cannot save it export and save use exactly the same code. I

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
M-m l cycles between the three options '\limits', '\nolimits' and '', so maybe you just have to press M-m l twice to see some effect. It seems to work in 1.3.0cvs and I think there have been no change in this area since 1.2.0 Nothing happens. I will now try 1.3.0cvs. I will give a progress

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Okay, maybe not export, but view as pdf (pdflatex) gives the correct behaviour. And when I save and reopen, it's gone. So it must be the read-in then. What does the .lyx look like? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: M-m l cycles between the three options '\limits', '\nolimits' and '', so maybe you just have to press M-m l twice to see some effect. It seems to work in 1.3.0cvs and I think there have been no change in this area since 1.2.0

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Okay, maybe not export, but view as pdf (pdflatex) gives the correct behaviour. And when I save and reopen, it's gone. So it must be the read-in then. What does the .lyx look like? Andre' I'll have

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: The cursor must be directly behind the \lim (not behind the subscript). Maybe this has changed from 1.1.6. Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum \int). Although I can now toggle the limits for \lim on screen, there is no \limits in the LaTeX file. The

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
Am Montag, 8. Juli 2002 15:43 schrieb Andre Poenitz: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum \int). Although I can now toggle the limits for \lim on

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:52:05PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: The '\limit' iformation as implemented 'sticks' to the super/subscript. So if that is deleted, the limit is lost as well. But I don't delete anything. I toggle the style of the limit using M-m l, but that does not affect the

Proper URLs from Insert-url

2002-07-08 Thread Bo Peng
I would like to bring this old email to attention again since I have exactly the same problem with lyx 1.2. Is there any progress in this problem? I have read the lyx/tip page where I was suggested to use ERT. Thanks. Bo ---

itemize example problem 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread lks
Itemize Layput Document Bullets: (Standart,Bullet Depth 1) star (Standart,Bullet Depth 2) cdot (Standart,Bullet Depth 3) diamond (Standart,Bullet Depth 4) ast * 1 level * 2 level * 3 level * 4level * daa * dee View Postscript: If you see this does not correspond to the

Re: Proper URLs from Insert-url

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:27:55AM -0600, Fernando Perez wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: :) My point is precisely to avoid using ERT if at all possible, and achieve the same effect via Lyx's insert-url. Is such a thing simply not sorry, you're right. I have this

CV and Pictures

2002-07-08 Thread Markus Reitz
Hi, I'm using the lyx cv (curriculum vitae) class. How can I put a picture at the upper right corner of the page? Thanks Markus __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! präsentiert als offizieller Sponsor das

Re: CV and Pictures

2002-07-08 Thread Herbert Voss
Markus Reitz wrote: I'm using the lyx cv (curriculum vitae) class. How can I put a picture at the upper right corner of the page? in the template cd.lyx put this before the telefon \raisebox{-\height}{ ... insert image via LyX ...} and now a control-enter Herbert --

Re: unable to see text in status line

2002-07-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Tzafrir == Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tzafrir Hi With certain installations of LyX I am unable to see the Tzafrir text of the status line (the lower line). With others I was Tzafrir able to see it. I am quite lost at where I set the font for Tzafrir there. Tzafrir I simply don't

\limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf
Hi, is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? And even worse, now I can't even change the position of limits neither with the toolbar nor with M-m-l (it worked under 1.1.6). I use SuSE 8.0 and downloaded the corresponding RPM file. I renamed my .lyx directory, so I

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? What is the problem? (I guess it must be a problem with my installation). By the way, can't we have a switch that tells lyx to place the limits

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas the subscript will be

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 01:16:17PM +0200, Ralf wrote: The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas the subscript will be under the \lim. When you save the file an reopen it, the \limits is gone, so that the

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Ralf wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:21:43PM +0200, Ralf wrote: I'll have a look. There is certainly something fishy there I could live with that. I had to before (defining something like \Lim=\lim\limits), but as I said in version 1.2.0 I can't even change the position of the limits not even

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: this applies to non inline formulas for me here, with some integrals (\iiint maybe) I can type the coomands, export or view correctly, but cannot save it export and save use exactly the same code. I would be surprised if they

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: this applies to non inline formulas for me here, with some integrals (\iiint maybe) I can type the coomands, export or view correctly, but cannot save it export and save use exactly the same code. I

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
M-m l cycles between the three options '\limits', '\nolimits' and '', so maybe you just have to press M-m l twice to see some effect. It seems to work in 1.3.0cvs and I think there have been no change in this area since 1.2.0 Nothing happens. I will now try 1.3.0cvs. I will give a progress

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Okay, maybe not export, but view as pdf (pdflatex) gives the correct behaviour. And when I save and reopen, it's gone. So it must be the read-in then. What does the .lyx look like? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: M-m l cycles between the three options '\limits', '\nolimits' and '', so maybe you just have to press M-m l twice to see some effect. It seems to work in 1.3.0cvs and I think there have been no change in this area since 1.2.0

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Okay, maybe not export, but view as pdf (pdflatex) gives the correct behaviour. And when I save and reopen, it's gone. So it must be the read-in then. What does the .lyx look like? Andre' I'll have

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: The cursor must be directly behind the \lim (not behind the subscript). Maybe this has changed from 1.1.6. Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum \int). Although I can now toggle the limits for \lim on screen, there is no \limits in the LaTeX file. The

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
Am Montag, 8. Juli 2002 15:43 schrieb Andre Poenitz: On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum \int). Although I can now toggle the limits for \lim on

Re: \limits bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:52:05PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: The '\limit' iformation as implemented 'sticks' to the super/subscript. So if that is deleted, the limit is lost as well. But I don't delete anything. I toggle the style of the limit using M-m l, but that does not affect the

Proper URLs from Insert-url

2002-07-08 Thread Bo Peng
I would like to bring this old email to attention again since I have exactly the same problem with lyx 1.2. Is there any progress in this problem? I have read the lyx/tip page where I was suggested to use ERT. Thanks. Bo ---

itemize example problem 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread lks
Itemize Layput Document Bullets: (Standart,Bullet Depth 1) star (Standart,Bullet Depth 2) cdot (Standart,Bullet Depth 3) diamond (Standart,Bullet Depth 4) ast * 1 level * 2 level * 3 level * 4level * daa * dee View Postscript: If you see this does not correspond to the

Re: Proper URLs from Insert-url

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:27:55AM -0600, Fernando Perez wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: :) My point is precisely to avoid using ERT if at all possible, and achieve the same effect via Lyx's insert-url. Is such a thing simply not sorry, you're right. I have this

CV and Pictures

2002-07-08 Thread Markus Reitz
Hi, I'm using the lyx cv (curriculum vitae) class. How can I put a picture at the upper right corner of the page? Thanks Markus __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! präsentiert als offizieller Sponsor das

Re: CV and Pictures

2002-07-08 Thread Herbert Voss
Markus Reitz wrote: > > I'm using the lyx cv (curriculum vitae) class. How can > I put a picture at the upper right corner of the page? in the template cd.lyx put this before the telefon \raisebox{-\height}{ ... insert image via LyX ...} and now a control-enter Herbert --

Re: unable to see text in status line

2002-07-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Tzafrir" == Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tzafrir> Hi With certain installations of LyX I am unable to see the Tzafrir> text of the status line (the lower line). With others I was Tzafrir> able to see it. I am quite lost at where I set the font for Tzafrir> there. Tzafrir> I

"\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf
Hi, is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? And even worse, now I can't even change the position of limits neither with the toolbar nor with M-m-l (it worked under 1.1.6). I use SuSE 8.0 and downloaded the corresponding RPM file. I renamed my .lyx directory, so I

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: > is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? What '\lim\limits problem'? > What is the problem? (I guess it must be a problem with my installation). > By the way, can't we have a switch that tells lyx to place the

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: > > is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? > > What '\lim\limits problem'? > The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} in inline formulas the subscript

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 01:16:17PM +0200, Ralf wrote: > The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like > > \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} > > in inline formulas the subscript will be under the \lim. When you save the > file an reopen it, the \limits is gone, so that the

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Ralf wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 12:22:16PM +0200, Ralf wrote: > > > is it true that the \lim\limits problem is still there in 1.2.0? > > > > What '\lim\limits problem'? > > > > The \limits command is not saved. When you write something like > > \lim\limits _{x\rightarrow\infinity} > > in

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:21:43PM +0200, Ralf wrote: > > I'll have a look. There is certainly something fishy there > > I could live with that. I had to before (defining something like > \Lim=\lim\limits), but as I said in version 1.2.0 I can't even change the > position of the limits not

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: > this applies to non inline formulas for me here, with some integrals (\iiint > maybe) I can type the coomands, export or view correctly, but cannot save it export and save use exactly the same code. I would be surprised if they

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: > > this applies to non inline formulas for me here, with some integrals (\iiint > > maybe) I can type the coomands, export or view correctly, but cannot save it > > export and save use exactly the same code.

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
> > M-m l cycles between the three options '\limits', '\nolimits' and '', so > maybe you just have to press M-m l twice to see some effect. It seems to > work in 1.3.0cvs and I think there have been no change in this area since > 1.2.0 Nothing happens. I will now try 1.3.0cvs. I will give a

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: > Okay, maybe not export, but "view as pdf (pdflatex)" gives the correct > behaviour. And when I save and reopen, it's gone. So it must be the read-in then. What does the .lyx look like? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: > > M-m l cycles between the three options '\limits', '\nolimits' and '', so > > maybe you just have to press M-m l twice to see some effect. It seems to > > work in 1.3.0cvs and I think there have been no change in this area since > >

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Olivier Ripoll wrote: > > Okay, maybe not export, but "view as pdf (pdflatex)" gives the correct > > behaviour. And when I save and reopen, it's gone. > > So it must be the read-in then. What does the .lyx look like? > > Andre' >

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:01:31PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: > > The cursor must be directly behind the \lim (not behind the subscript). > Maybe this has changed from 1.1.6. Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 you had to put the cursor in front of \lim,

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: > Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 > you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum \int). Although I can > now toggle the limits for \lim on screen, there is no \limits in the > LaTeX file. The

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Ralf Goertz
Am Montag, 8. Juli 2002 15:43 schrieb Andre Poenitz: > On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: > > Okay, now it works for integrals and sums but not for limits (in 1.1.6 > > you had to put the cursor in front of \lim, \sum \int). Although I can > > now toggle the limits for

Re: "\limits" bug worse than before in version 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 03:52:05PM +0200, Ralf Goertz wrote: > > The '\limit' iformation as implemented 'sticks' to the super/subscript. So > > if that is deleted, the limit is lost as well. > > But I don't delete anything. I toggle the style of the limit using M-m l, but > that does not affect

Proper URLs from Insert->url

2002-07-08 Thread Bo Peng
I would like to bring this old email to attention again since I have exactly the same problem with lyx 1.2. Is there any progress in this problem? I have read the lyx/tip page where I was suggested to use ERT. Thanks. Bo ---

itemize example problem 1.2.0

2002-07-08 Thread lks
Itemize Layput > Document > Bullets: (Standart,Bullet Depth 1) star (Standart,Bullet Depth 2) cdot (Standart,Bullet Depth 3) diamond (Standart,Bullet Depth 4) ast * 1 level * 2 level * 3 level * 4level * daa * dee View > Postscript: If you see this does not correspond to the

Re: Proper URLs from Insert->url

2002-07-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:27:55AM -0600, Fernando Perez wrote: > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: > > > :) My point is precisely to avoid using ERT if at all possible, and > > > achieve the same effect via Lyx's insert->url. Is such a thing simply > > > not > > > > sorry, you're right. I