Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:06:13PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote: > Am 30.07.2017 um 19:45 schrieb Uwe Stöhr : > > > > El 29.07.2017 a las 23:47, Scott Kostyshak escribió: > > > >> Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future. > > > > As on no OS people are using 100% and as 120% was the reported the minimal > > used zoom level, I again vote to make the new 100% the current 120%. > > How do you want to achieve this? I’m not so confident it’s good to change the > current computation of screen zoom. > Every preference saved to disk would be „invalid“ after a change. Couldn't we (in theory) fix it with prefs2prefs? > I’m not against a decision what the best default zoom level is. I agree that for 2.3.0 it would be better to consider changing the default zoom instead of changing what 100% means. I do find it a little strange that the default is not 100%, but not strange enough that I think we should spend time on it for 2.3.0. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Am 30.07.2017 um 19:45 schrieb Uwe Stöhr : > > El 29.07.2017 a las 23:47, Scott Kostyshak escribió: > >> Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future. > > As on no OS people are using 100% and as 120% was the reported the minimal > used zoom level, I again vote to make the new 100% the current 120%. How do you want to achieve this? I’m not so confident it’s good to change the current computation of screen zoom. Every preference saved to disk would be „invalid“ after a change. I’m not against a decision what the best default zoom level is. Stephan > > I opened an enhancement accordingly: > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10737 > > (For the records: on Manjaro Linux KDE I have set 150% zoom.) > > regards Uwe
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
El 29.07.2017 a las 23:47, Scott Kostyshak escribió: Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future. As on no OS people are using 100% and as 120% was the reported the minimal used zoom level, I again vote to make the new 100% the current 120%. I opened an enhancement accordingly: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10737 (For the records: on Manjaro Linux KDE I have set 150% zoom.) regards Uwe
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:17:44PM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > El 26.07.2017 a las 08:54, Scott Kostyshak escribió: > > > I see. We took a poll of users and got that the average preference is > > larger than 120. See: > > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q=20170606202640.45nziu2txu6dohek%40steph > > 4 Win users is not a representative survey. Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
El 26.07.2017 a las 08:54, Scott Kostyshak escribió: I see. We took a poll of users and got that the average preference is larger than 120. See: https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q=20170606202640.45nziu2txu6dohek%40steph 4 Win users is not a representative survey. However, it is impossible to set a value that suits all different resolutions for different monitor sizes. Still on all PCs I have access to 120 is a sensible value. Note that there is also the aspect that different users on the same PC prefer different sizes. For example I share one of the PCs at work with a colleague. I use Windows' 100% system font zoom while he prefers 125% system font zoom. That is much too big in my opinion but well, everybody is free to set what he wants. I wrote how easy it is to set the zoom. Do you have any thoughts on increasing the default? It seems that this would be sensible as nobody uses 100% but always larger values, I think making the current 120% to the new 100% makes sense. regards Uwe
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:11:48AM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > El 25.07.2017 a las 20:49, Scott Kostyshak escribió: > > > > > In windows the default is 120. > > Yes, because that fits for the most Windows versions I had access to to > test. I see. We took a poll of users and got that the average preference is larger than 120. See: https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q=20170606202640.45nziu2txu6dohek%40steph Do you have any thoughts on increasing the default? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On 26/07/2017 10:11 a.m., Uwe Stöhr wrote: El 25.07.2017 a las 20:49, Scott Kostyshak escribió: In windows the default is 120. Yes, because that fits for the most Windows versions I had access to to test. You can change it easily: - either use Ctrl + Mouse wheel for the current LyX session - or change the value in the LyX preferences in the section Look&feel -> Screen Fonts. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that LyX had to create a fresh one. This is my comment (AP). Why? So that LyX would create a new folder with default settings (in order to see what the default windows zoom is), as you note below. But my own preference settings were still available in the renamed folder. Andrew If you want to delete all your personal settings, just close LyX, delete this folder and then restart LyX. LyX will recreate the folder with default settings. regards Uwe --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
El 25.07.2017 a las 20:49, Scott Kostyshak escribió: In windows the default is 120. Yes, because that fits for the most Windows versions I had access to to test. You can change it easily: - either use Ctrl + Mouse wheel for the current LyX session - or change the value in the LyX preferences in the section Look&feel -> Screen Fonts. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that LyX had to create a fresh one. Why? If you want to delete all your personal settings, just close LyX, delete this folder and then restart LyX. LyX will recreate the folder with default settings. regards Uwe
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 09:29:15AM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:43:38PM +1200, Andrew Parsloe wrote: > > > In windows the default is 120. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that > > LyX had to create a fresh one. This is the value that results.) In fact I'm > > trying 150 (having previously used 130). It's certainly easier on my aging > > eyes. > > Ah indeed. In case anyone is curious this is set here: > > development/Win32/packaging/installer/setup/configure.nsh > > The 120 was introduced at d964457d. > > Uwe, why do we use a different preference for \screen_zoom on Windows > than the global default of 150? Bump for Uwe now that he has more time. Scott
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Jan gave his permission for me to make his preferences file public. Scott --- Begin Message --- Hi Scott Here is my preference file (Mac OS 10.10.5, Lyx 2.2.0). HTH, Jan From: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" on behalf of Scott Kostyshak Date: Thursday 1 June 2017 22:07 To: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" Subject: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences Dear all, There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users. Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :). Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are: screen zoom continuous spellcheck math preview Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any information that you prefer not to be made public. Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond "default", then that would be helpful. Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This is important because it is possible to have different default preferences on different platforms. Attached is my preferences file. Scott [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q=CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com preferences Description: preferences --- End Message --- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
# LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # \user_name "Helge Hafting" \user_email "" \preview no_math # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \screen_zoom 170 \screen_font_roman "Linux Libertine" \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \fullscreen_scrollbar false \single_instance false # # COLOR SECTION ### # # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \example_path "/home/helgehaf/.lyx/templates" \hunspelldir_path "/usr/share/hunspell" # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # \spellchecker hunspell \spellcheck_continuously true # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # # # COPIERS SECTION ## #
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:43:38PM +1200, Andrew Parsloe wrote: > In windows the default is 120. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that > LyX had to create a fresh one. This is the value that results.) In fact I'm > trying 150 (having previously used 130). It's certainly easier on my aging > eyes. Ah indeed. In case anyone is curious this is set here: development/Win32/packaging/installer/setup/configure.nsh The 120 was introduced at d964457d. Uwe, why do we use a different preference for \screen_zoom on Windows than the global default of 150? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On 7/06/2017 8:26 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:02:26PM +, Steve Burnham wrote: I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file. It is not, thank you! The one default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my zoom to 200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old either (31) and do have good vision. Taking a quick look at what we have so far: linux/subaochen:\screen_zoom 215 linux/john:\screen_zoom 135 linux/rich:\screen_zoom 115 linux/charlie.txt:\screen_zoom 126 linux/guillaume:\screen_zoom 170 windows/andrew:\screen_zoom 130 windows/steve:\screen_zoom 200 windows/cris:\screen_zoom 200 windows/john:\screen_zoom 130 The average of the above values is 158. The default is 150. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to change the default. Scott In windows the default is 120. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that LyX had to create a fresh one. This is the value that results.) In fact I'm trying 150 (having previously used 130). It's certainly easier on my aging eyes. Andrew --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:26:40 -0400 Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:02:26PM +, Steve Burnham wrote: > > > I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file. > > It is not, thank you! > > > The one > > default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my > > zoom to 200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old > > either (31) and do have good vision. > > Taking a quick look at what we have so far: > > linux/subaochen:\screen_zoom 215 > linux/john:\screen_zoom 135 > linux/rich:\screen_zoom 115 > linux/charlie.txt:\screen_zoom 126 > linux/guillaume:\screen_zoom 170 > windows/andrew:\screen_zoom 130 > windows/steve:\screen_zoom 200 > windows/cris:\screen_zoom 200 > windows/john:\screen_zoom 130 > > The average of the above values is 158. > > The default is 150. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to > change the default. > > Scott +1 -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** When one is helping another, both are strong. --German proverb *** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. -
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:02:26PM +, Steve Burnham wrote: > I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file. It is not, thank you! > The one > default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my zoom to > 200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old either (31) and > do have good vision. Taking a quick look at what we have so far: linux/subaochen:\screen_zoom 215 linux/john:\screen_zoom 135 linux/rich:\screen_zoom 115 linux/charlie.txt:\screen_zoom 126 linux/guillaume:\screen_zoom 170 windows/andrew:\screen_zoom 130 windows/steve:\screen_zoom 200 windows/cris:\screen_zoom 200 windows/john:\screen_zoom 130 The average of the above values is 158. The default is 150. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to change the default. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 7:40 PM Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 05:18:53PM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Scott Kostyshak > wrote: > > > > > > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application > > > > Support/LyX-2.*/. > > > > > > Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX > > > > About LyX? > > > > > > It is; I just thought I'd confirm. > > OK thanks. > > Scott > I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file. The one default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my zoom to 200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old either (31) and do have good vision. -Steve preferences Description: Binary data
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 05:18:53PM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote: > On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application > > > Support/LyX-2.*/. > > > > Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX > > > About LyX? > > > It is; I just thought I'd confirm. OK thanks. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application > > Support/LyX-2.*/. > > Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX > > About LyX? It is; I just thought I'd confirm.
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On 2/06/2017 8:07 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote: Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are: screen zoom continuous spellcheck math preview Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This is important because it is possible to have different default preferences on different platforms. Attached is my preferences file. Scott Attached are the relevant entries of my preferences on a 64 bit windows 7 machine. No spellchecking, maths preview on. The screen zoom has increased from 100 when I discovered LyX about 12 years ago to 130 now. Aging eyes -- but I see others using even higher zoom levels. Andrew --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus # LyX 2.3.0alpha1-1 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 21 # # MISC SECTION ## # # The time interval between auto-saves in seconds. \autosave 60 \index_command "makeindex -c -q -s twospaces.ist" \kbmap true \kbmap_primary "european" \user_name "Andrew" \preview on # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \icon_set "classic" \screen_zoom 130 \cursor_width 2 \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \fullscreen_statusbar false \forward_search_pdf "SumatraPDF -reuse-instance \"$$o\" -forward-search \"$$t\" $$n" # # FILE SECTION ## # \document_path "D:\Documents" \template_path "C:\Users\Andrew\AppData\Roaming\LyX2.2\templates" \plaintext_linelen 70 \backupdir_path "E:\Lymbo" # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # \format "lyx" "lyx" "LyX" "" "notepad++" "" "document" "application/x-lyx" # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # \converter "pdflatex" "pdf2" "pdflatex -interaction=nonstopmode -synctex=1 $$i" "latex=pdflatex" \converter "dvi" "ps" "dvips -E -o $$o $$i" "" \converter "latex" "rtf" "c:/PROGRA~2/latex2rtf/latex2rt.exe -P c:progra~2/latex2rtf/cfg $$i" "" \converter "rtf" "latex" "\"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\rtf2latex2e\\rtf2latex2e.exe\" -n -P \"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\rtf2latex2e\\pref\" $$i" ""
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:07:18PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This > is important because it is possible to have different default > preferences on different platforms. Just a note to say thank you to everyone who has shared their preferences so far! This is very helpful and will be used in the future by developers when thinking about new defaults. Hopefully even more users will share. I appreciate your time! Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 11:06:50AM +0200, Guillaume MM wrote: > *\preview no_math > \screen_zoom 170 > *\cursor_width 2 > *\paragraph_markers true > \single_instance false > \load_session true > \num_lastfiles 50 > *\spellcheck_continuously true > \spellcheck_notes false Thanks for sharing, Guillaume. > > the chance of us changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for > > example, [1], for > > why this is complicated). > > What I can see from your example is half the people wanting to enable > spellchecking by default and the other half not objecting to it, and > then nobody implementing the agreed-upon change. I hope that it can go > differently this time. I'll bump that thread with a reference to this thread. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On 2017-06-01 16:07 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > Attached is my preferences file. > > Scott Attached x2. The first one is used under Windows 7, 64 bit , sp1, where LyX is used for work logs. The second one is under mint 17.2, where LyX is used for study notes and my diary. The machine I use them on is dual-boot (so the screen is the same in both cases, hence the similar zoom values). John # LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # \path_prefix "$LyXDir/bin;$LyXDir/Python;$LyXDir/Python/Lib;$LyXDir/Perl/bin;$LyXDir/imagemagick;C:/bin/texlive/2016/bin/win32;C:/bin/LyX 2.2/ghostscript/bin" \user_name "john.beattie" \user_email "" # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \screen_zoom 130 \screen_font_roman "CMU Serif" \screen_font_sans "CMU Sans Serif" \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \single_instance false # # COLOR SECTION ### # # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \load_session true # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # # # COPIERS SECTION ## # # LyX 2.2.1 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # \user_name "John Beattie,,," \user_email "" # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \screen_zoom 135 \screen_font_roman "Latin Modern Roman" \screen_font_sans "Latin Modern Sans" \screen_font_typewriter "Courier" \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \single_instance false # # COLOR SECTION ### # # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \load_session true # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # \format "pdftex" "pdftex_t" "PDFTEX" "" "/usr/bin/evince" "" "" "" \default_otf_view_format dvi3 # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # # # COPIERS SECTION ## #
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 06:40:27AM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote: > That is precisely the reason I'd like to see such a preference. > Copying/pasting is generally what I do to fix it. Making a branch in an > otherwise simple document seems like too much overkill for what seems to me > like a logical LyX / document setting preference. I was just going to say, if anything this should be in document settings, and not in preferences. > I'd be happy to discuss in a new thread. In the meantime, see: > https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8665 . Note that, to your third bullet, > the figure settings / groups might solve some issues for things like > default widths. Indeed, let's please continue any discussion on #8665 or in a separate email thread. I will be focusing on other issues, but I'll follow any discussion and might be interested after 2.3.0 is released. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 06:54:35PM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote: > Preference file attached. Thanks, Joel. > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application > Support/LyX-2.*/. Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX > About LyX? Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:51:25PM -0400, Cris Fuhrman wrote: > Hi Scott, > > I'm attaching my "anonymized" prefs file. > > Did you ever consider using Google Analytics to track LyX usage? Of course, > it's ethical (and probably required in the TOS of GA) that you have it > deactivated by default and that you request permission from users to turn > it on. I played around with it before on a plug-in I made for Word and it > gives you live data. There might be other ways to track usage that don't > have to go through Google. See > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4338557/track-c-application-with-google-analytics > for a starting point. Thanks for this idea, Cris. Would this be only to see how many people are using LyX or for something in addition to that? Every time I think about something like that, I challenge myself and ask: "Why do I want to know how many people use LyX?" and my answer is always just that I would be curious. Since I don't think it would lead to any improvement in LyX, my train of thought stops there. In any case, let's pleas not discuss this further on this thread. If you want to start a new thread with the focus of Google Analytics (or other), I'd be interested in following it. Thanks, Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 at 02:55, Joel Kulesza wrote: > >> One preference not shown (because it is not available), but that I'd love >> to have: default alignment of inserted figures: center. >> > > I would also really like a preference or other method to reduce the > manual/repeated work I do in order to get inserted figure floats to be > centered. > > In practice I've often ended up copying/pasting another float to reduce > the repeated work. So perhaps a practical approach is to add a "templates > branch" to the document and there create your custom figure float that you > the copy. > That is precisely the reason I'd like to see such a preference. Copying/pasting is generally what I do to fix it. Making a branch in an otherwise simple document seems like too much overkill for what seems to me like a logical LyX / document setting preference. On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Christian Ridderström wrote: > But perhaps this topic should be in a thread of its own as there are many > ways to solve it, eg: (... opt. preference that ) > - ... make figure insets centered by default > - ... make figure insets by default use the alignment setting of figure > inset just above > - Custom/local templates that lets you insert a complete figure float, so > you easily can get a float with eg: centered figure, figure inser width at > 100% column etc, a short figure caption, a long figure caption, label etc. > I'd be happy to discuss in a new thread. In the meantime, see: https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8665 . Note that, to your third bullet, the figure settings / groups might solve some issues for things like default widths.
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Le 02/06/2017 à 11:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : Le 02/06/2017 à 11:06, Guillaume MM a écrit : *\cursor_width 2 * are those which I am certain should be set for new users. Are you in a HiDPI system? No, and it is about having it wider than other lines on the screen. Shouldn't the cursor width be computed wrt the screen DPI/zoom? instead
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 at 02:55, Joel Kulesza wrote: > One preference not shown (because it is not available), but that I'd love > to have: default alignment of inserted figures: center. > I would also really like a preference or other method to reduce the manual/repeated work I do in order to get inserted figure floats to be centered. But perhaps this topic should be in a thread of its own as there are many ways to solve it, eg: (... opt. preference that ) - ... make figure insets centered by default - ... make figure insets by default use the alignment setting of figure inset just above - Custom/local templates that lets you insert a complete figure float, so you easily can get a float with eg: centered figure, figure inser width at 100% column etc, a short figure caption, a long figure caption, label etc. In practice I've often ended up copying/pasting another float to reduce the repeated work. So perhaps a practical approach is to add a "templates branch" to the document and there create your custom figure float that you the copy. Christian
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user > directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on > Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is > no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the > defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond > "default", then that would be helpful. > > Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This > is important because it is possible to have different default > preferences on different platforms. > Mac OS X 10.11.6 Preference file attached. With respect to Scott's stated curiosity: I'd push for continuous spellcheck enabled by default. One preference not shown (because it is not available), but that I'd love to have: default alignment of inserted figures: center. - Joel P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.*/. # LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # # Display graphics within LyX # true|false \display_graphics false \user_name "Joel A. Kulesza" \user_email "" \preview off # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \scroll_below_document true \paragraph_markers true \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 # # COLOR SECTION ### # \set_color "shaded" "#03ff00" # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # \use_system_colors false # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # \default_length_unit 6 \spellcheck_continuously true # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # # # COPIERS SECTION ## #
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Le 02/06/2017 à 11:06, Guillaume MM a écrit : *\cursor_width 2 * are those which I am certain should be set for new users. Are you in a HiDPI system? Shouldn't the cursor width be computed wrt the screen DPI/zoom? instead JMarc
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Hi Scott, Le 01/06/2017 à 22:07, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : it could make a difference for the out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users. Thanks for starting this. Of interest: *\preview no_math \screen_zoom 170 *\cursor_width 2 *\paragraph_markers true \single_instance false \load_session true \num_lastfiles 50 *\spellcheck_continuously true \spellcheck_notes false * are those which I am certain should be set for new users. Paragraph markers are necessary to see and avoid paragraph breaks before displayed math (as experiments on live subjects have shown). the chance of us changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for why this is complicated). What I can see from your example is half the people wanting to enable spellchecking by default and the other half not objecting to it, and then nobody implementing the agreed-upon change. I hope that it can go differently this time. Guillaume
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On 01 Jun 2017, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Dear all, > > There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is > difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the > most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is > to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users > have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the > default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since > you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the > out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users. > > Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us > changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for > why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot > of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing > list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :). > > Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are: > > screen zoom > continuous spellcheck > math preview I don't have any preferences set at present. I certainly wouldn't want continuous spellcheck. This is on OpenBSD -current. -- Anthony Campbellhttp://www.acampbell.uk
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Am 01.06.2017 um 22:07 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: Dear all, There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users. Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :). Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are: screen zoom continuous spellcheck math preview Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any information that you prefer not to be made public. Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond "default", then that would be helpful. Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This is important because it is possible to have different default preferences on different platforms. Attached is my preferences file. Scott [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q=CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com linux debian default Wolfgang
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Hello Scott, Am running Lyx on Mx-Linux Version MX16. Most of my Lyx tasks are proofreading/editing of documents written by others, so leave Lyx on Default. Regards, Gordon.
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:18 -0400 Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. > This is important because it is possible to have different default > preferences on different platforms. > > Attached is my preferences file. Hello Scott, My preferences, if any, are pretty ordinary. File attached. Stay well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** "Come to the edge", he said. They said.."We are afraid". "Come to the edge", he said. They came, he pushed them And they flew. -Guillaume Apollinaire *** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. - # LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # \user_name "charlie,,," \user_email "" # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \screen_zoom 126 \cursor_width 2 \scroll_below_document true \screen_font_roman "Utopia" \screen_font_sans "Sans Serif" \screen_font_typewriter "Courier 10 Pitch" \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \fullscreen_scrollbar false \single_instance false # # COLOR SECTION ### # \set_color "background" "#faf5e3" # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \document_path "/home/charlie/lyx" \load_session true \template_path "/home/charlie/lyx/my-templates" \backupdir_path "/home/charlie/lyx/backup" # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # \spellchecker enchant # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # \gui_language british # # FORMATS SECTION ## # \format "pdf2" "pdf" "PDF (pdflatex)" "F" "\"okular\"" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \format "pdf4" "pdf" "PDF (XeTeX)" "X" "\"okular\"" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \default_otf_view_format dvi3 # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # # # COPIERS SECTION ## #
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
My preferences are the same on hosts running Slackware-14.1 and -14.2: # LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # the following defines emacs key bindings for lyx: \bind_file "/home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/my.bind" # # MISC SECTION ## # \ui_file "/usr/share/lyx/ui/default" \kbmap true \serverpipe "/home/rshepard/.lyx/lyxpipe" \user_name "rshepard" \user_email "" \preview on # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \icon_set "classic" \screen_dpi 80 \screen_zoom 115 \cursor_width 2 \screen_font_roman "URW Palladio L" \screen_font_sans "URW Palladio L" \screen_font_typewriter "Courier" \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \fullscreen_scrollbar false \single_instance false # # COLOR SECTION ### # \set_color "cursor" "#fa041d" \set_color "background" "#e9ebd0" \set_color "foreground" "#00" \set_color "selection" "#e6bc12" \set_color "latex" "#8b" \set_color "preview" "#00" \set_color "note" "#00" \set_color "notebg" "#aa007f" \set_color "footlabel" "#940917" \set_color "depthbar" "#cd5c5c" \set_color "language" "#ff" \set_color "command" "#00" \set_color "commandbg" "#f0" \set_color "commandframe" "#00" \set_color "special" "#4169e1" \set_color "graphicsbg" "#ff" \set_color "math" "#8b" \set_color "mathbg" "#fff8ac" \set_color "mathmacrobg" "#f0c0fa" \set_color "mathframe" "#ff00ff" \set_color "mathline" "#ff" \set_color "collapsable" "#8b" \set_color "collapsableframe" "#cd5c5c" \set_color "insetframe" "#cd5c5c" \set_color "error" "#ff" \set_color "eolmarker" "#a52a2a" \set_color "added_space" "#a52a2a" \set_color "tabularline" "#00" \set_color "tabularonoffline" "#b0c4de" \set_color "pagebreak" "#4169e1" \set_color "buttonbg" "#cc" # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \load_session true \completion_popup_after_complete false \num_lastfiles 5 \make_backup false # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # \accept_compound true # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # \default_length_unit 6 \language_package_selection 3 # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # \gui_language english \export_overwrite all # # FORMATS SECTION ## # \format "ltxbib" "tex" "LaTeX (With Bib)" "" "" "" "document,menu=export" "" \format "pdf4" "pdf" "PDF4" "gv" "" "" "" "" \default_otf_view_format dvi3 # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # \converter "latex" "pdf4" "ps4pdf $$i" "" \converter "pdflatex" "ltxbib" "python -tt $$s/scripts/include_bib.py $$i $$o" "needaux" # # COPIERS SECTION ## #
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
On 06/01/2017 04:07 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This is important because it is possible to have different default preferences on different platforms. Here are my prefs on a Linux system (Mint, to be specific). Paul # LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # # The time interval between auto-saves in seconds. \autosave 0 \serverpipe "/home/paul/.lyx/lyxpipe" \user_name "Paul A. Rubin" \user_email "you wish" # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \macro_edit_style 2 \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \fullscreen_scrollbar false \single_instance false # # COLOR SECTION ### # # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \example_path "/usr/share/lyx/examples" \template_path "/home/paul/.lyx/templates" # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # \spellchecker enchant \spellcheck_continuously true # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # \format "pdf7" "pdf" "PDF (cropped)" "" "xreader" "" "document,vector" "" \format "pdf3" "pdf" "PDF (dvipdfm)" "m" "xreader" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \format "pdf6" "pdf" "PDF (graphics)" "" "xreader" "" "vector" "application/pdf" \format "pdf8" "pdf" "PDF (lower resolution)" "" "xreader" "" "document,vector" "" \format "pdf5" "pdf" "PDF (LuaTeX)" "u" "xreader" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \format "pdf2" "pdf" "PDF (pdflatex)" "F" "xreader" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \format "pdf" "pdf" "PDF (ps2pdf)" "P" "xreader" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \format "pdf4" "pdf" "PDF (XeTeX)" "X" "xreader" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \default_otf_view_format dvi3 # # CONVERTERS SECTION ## # \converter "pdflatex" "pdf2" "pdflatex -shell-escape $$i" "latex=pdflatex" \converter "svg" "pdf6" "convert $$i $$o" "" # # COPIERS SECTION ## #
Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences
Hi Scott, I'm attaching my "anonymized" prefs file. Did you ever consider using Google Analytics to track LyX usage? Of course, it's ethical (and probably required in the TOS of GA) that you have it deactivated by default and that you request permission from users to turn it on. I played around with it before on a plug-in I made for Word and it gives you live data. There might be other ways to track usage that don't have to go through Google. See https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4338557/track-c-application-with-google-analytics for a starting point. C. Fuhrman On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > Dear all, > > There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is > difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the > most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is > to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users > have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the > default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since > you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the > out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users. > > Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us > changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for > why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot > of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing > list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :). > > Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are: > > screen zoom > continuous spellcheck > math preview > > Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any > information that you prefer not to be made public. > > Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user > directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on > Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is > no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the > defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond > "default", then that would be helpful. > > Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This > is important because it is possible to have different default > preferences on different platforms. > > Attached is my preferences file. > > Scott > > > [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid&q= > CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com > # LyX 2.2.2 generated this file. If you want to make your own # modifications you should do them from inside LyX and save. Format 19 # # MISC SECTION ## # \path_prefix "C:/Python27;C:/Program Files/ImageMagick-7.0.3-Q16;$LyXDir/bin;$LyXDir/Python;$LyXDir/Python/Lib;$LyXDir/Perl/bin;$LyXDir/imagemagick;C:/Program Files/MiKTeX 2.9/miktex/bin/x64;C:/Program Files/Ghostgum/gsview;C:/Program Files/gs/gs9.18/bin;C:/Program Files (x86)/JabRef;C:/Program Files/Inkscape;C:/Program Files/SumatraPDF;C:/Program Files/Git/mingw64/bin" \serverpipe "\\.\pipe\lyxpipe" \user_name "Christopher Fuhrman" \user_email "christopher.fuhr...@gmail.com" \preview on # # SCREEN & FONTS SECTION # \screen_zoom 200 \screen_font_sizes 5 7 8 9 10 12 14.4 17.26 20.74 24.88 \single_instance false \forward_search_pdf "SumatraPDF -reuse-instance \"$$o\" -forward-search \"$$t\" $$n" # # COLOR SECTION ### # # # PRINTER SECTION ### # # # TEX SECTION ### # # # FILE SECTION ## # \example_path "C:\Users\fuhrm\Google Drive\Lyx\Resources\examples\" \template_path "C:\Users\fuhrm\Google Drive\Lyx\Resources\templates\" \thesaurusdir_path "C:\Users\fuhrm\Google Drive\Lyx\Resources\thes\" \hunspelldir_path "C:\Users\fuhrm\Google Drive\Lyx\Resources\dicts\" # # PLAIN TEXT EXPORT SECTION ## # # # SPELLCHECKER SECTION ## # # # LANGUAGE SUPPORT SECTION ## # \spellcheck_continuously true # # 2nd MISC SUPPORT SECTION ## # # # FORMATS SECTION ## # \format "bmp" "bmp" "BMP" "" "auto" "auto" "" "image/x-bmp" \format "dia" "dia" "DIA" "" "auto" "auto" "vector,zipped=native" "application/x-dia-diagram" \format "dvi" "dvi" "DVI" "D" "yap" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "application/x-dvi" \format "dvi3" "dvi" "DVI (LuaTeX)" "V" "yap" "" "document,vector,menu=export" "" \format "docbook-xml" "xml" "DocBook (XML)" "" "" "notepad" "document,menu=export" "application/docbook+xml" \format "eps" "eps" "EPS" "" "gsview64" "" "vector" "image/x-eps" \format "eps3" "eps" "EPS (cropped)" "" "gsview64" "" "document" "" \format "eps2" "eps" "EPS (uncropped)" "" "gsview64" "" "vector" "" \format "fen"