More RTF import errors

[Michelle Bottorff]

On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Kevin Middleton wrote:
 
 On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Richard Heck wrote:
 
 On 01/24/2011 09:07 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
 
 I think my personal preference would be to run Lyx or even just rtf2latex2e 
 from the terminalsnip
 
 Can someone on Mac help Michelle here?
 
 From the terminal,
 
 /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyx

Thank you Kevin!
(Thank you Richard also, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.)

My terminal error for the failed rtf import says  sh: rtf2latex2e: command not 
found.  Which sounds like either a path error or a missing file, is that right?

And,  catching up with the rest of the list... 

... I discover that that the problem is most likely that the needed files 
aren't there.  
...that it is almost certainly that they aren't there . 

So I have downloaded the package linked to by Mathias!  -- Thank you Mathias!

... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you BH!
now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf

But when I run Lyx and ask it to import an rtf file I still get:

An error occurred whilst running rtf2latex2e 'DarkMoon.rtf'
sh: rtf2latex2e: command not found
Error: Cannot convert file

Hmm... latex2rtf, and latex2rtf2e...  That's not the same.

asking the terminal which latext2rtf2e gets me nothing.

Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package, or do I need to set Lyx 
up to use the files I just downloaded?

Re: More RTF import errors

[Richard Heck]

On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:


... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you BH!
now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf


That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.


But when I run Lyx and ask it to import an rtf file I still get:

An error occurred whilst running rtf2latex2e 'DarkMoon.rtf'
sh: rtf2latex2e: command not found
Error: Cannot convert file

Hmm... latex2rtf, and latex2rtf2e...  That's not the same.


Note: rtf2latex2e, not the other way around.


asking the terminal which latext2rtf2e gets me nothing.

If you try which rtf2latex2e, you will probably also get nothing, in 
which case that program is not installed.



Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?


Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

Richard

Re: More RTF import errors

[Mathias Girel]

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:

 ... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you
 BH!
 now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf

 That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.

Yes. After two or three days, I confirm that the installer for which I
provided the link works perfectly. I have contacted the author to
thank him and he tells me that he might update the latex2rtf version.

But that will still not do for importing!
Best
MG

Re: More RTF import errors

[Michelle Bottorff]

On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richard Heck wrote:

 On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
 
 ... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you 
 BH!
 now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf
 
 That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.

So it does.  And it works perfectly!  Great, half-way there.  :)

 Note: rtf2latex2e, not the other way around.

D'oh.  Me feel dumb. 

 asking the terminal which latext2rtf2e gets me nothing.
 
 If you try which rtf2latex2e, you will probably also get nothing, in which 
 case that program is not installed.

Yeah, I tried that the right way round, and it wasn't there.  So...

 
 Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?
 
 Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
 it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

In order to use MacPorts I need to install the Developer Tools.  
In order to download the Tools I must register as a Developer -- now there's a 
laugh.
And having done that, I will now be downloading the Developer Tools for the 
next day and a half.
(They're supposed to be on my install disk, but my optical drive is shot, and 
so I can't actually read my install disk anymore.)   :(

Re: More RTF import errors

[Richard Heck]

On 02/02/2011 11:31 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:

On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richard Heck wrote:



Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?


Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

In order to use MacPorts I need to install the Developer Tools.
In order to download the Tools I must register as a Developer -- now there's a 
laugh.
And having done that, I will now be downloading the Developer Tools for the 
next day and a half.

Yes, I had to go through this, too. This is because macports compiles 
everything right on your machine.


Richard

More RTF import errors

[Michelle Bottorff]

On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Kevin Middleton wrote:
 
 On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Richard Heck wrote:
 
 On 01/24/2011 09:07 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
 
 I think my personal preference would be to run Lyx or even just rtf2latex2e 
 from the terminalsnip
 
 Can someone on Mac help Michelle here?
 
 From the terminal,
 
 /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyx

Thank you Kevin!
(Thank you Richard also, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.)

My terminal error for the failed rtf import says  sh: rtf2latex2e: command not 
found.  Which sounds like either a path error or a missing file, is that right?

And,  catching up with the rest of the list... 

... I discover that that the problem is most likely that the needed files 
aren't there.  
...that it is almost certainly that they aren't there . 

So I have downloaded the package linked to by Mathias!  -- Thank you Mathias!

... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you BH!
now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf

But when I run Lyx and ask it to import an rtf file I still get:

An error occurred whilst running rtf2latex2e 'DarkMoon.rtf'
sh: rtf2latex2e: command not found
Error: Cannot convert file

Hmm... latex2rtf, and latex2rtf2e...  That's not the same.

asking the terminal which latext2rtf2e gets me nothing.

Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package, or do I need to set Lyx 
up to use the files I just downloaded?

Re: More RTF import errors

[Richard Heck]

On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:


... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you BH!
now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf


That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.


But when I run Lyx and ask it to import an rtf file I still get:

An error occurred whilst running rtf2latex2e 'DarkMoon.rtf'
sh: rtf2latex2e: command not found
Error: Cannot convert file

Hmm... latex2rtf, and latex2rtf2e...  That's not the same.


Note: rtf2latex2e, not the other way around.


asking the terminal which latext2rtf2e gets me nothing.

If you try which rtf2latex2e, you will probably also get nothing, in 
which case that program is not installed.



Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?


Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

Richard

Re: More RTF import errors

[Mathias Girel]

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:

 ... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you
 BH!
 now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf

 That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.

Yes. After two or three days, I confirm that the installer for which I
provided the link works perfectly. I have contacted the author to
thank him and he tells me that he might update the latex2rtf version.

But that will still not do for importing!
Best
MG

Re: More RTF import errors

[Michelle Bottorff]

On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richard Heck wrote:

 On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
 
 ... and asking  which latex2rtf  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you 
 BH!
 now gets me /usr/local/bin/latex2rtf
 
 That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.

So it does.  And it works perfectly!  Great, half-way there.  :)

 Note: rtf2latex2e, not the other way around.

D'oh.  Me feel dumb. 

 asking the terminal which latext2rtf2e gets me nothing.
 
 If you try which rtf2latex2e, you will probably also get nothing, in which 
 case that program is not installed.

Yeah, I tried that the right way round, and it wasn't there.  So...

 
 Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?
 
 Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
 it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

In order to use MacPorts I need to install the Developer Tools.  
In order to download the Tools I must register as a Developer -- now there's a 
laugh.
And having done that, I will now be downloading the Developer Tools for the 
next day and a half.
(They're supposed to be on my install disk, but my optical drive is shot, and 
so I can't actually read my install disk anymore.)   :(

Re: More RTF import errors

[Richard Heck]

On 02/02/2011 11:31 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:

On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richard Heck wrote:



Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?


Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

In order to use MacPorts I need to install the Developer Tools.
In order to download the Tools I must register as a Developer -- now there's a 
laugh.
And having done that, I will now be downloading the Developer Tools for the 
next day and a half.

Yes, I had to go through this, too. This is because macports compiles 
everything right on your machine.


Richard

More RTF import errors

[Michelle Bottorff]

On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Kevin Middleton wrote:
> 
> On Jan 27, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Richard Heck wrote:
> 
>> On 01/24/2011 09:07 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think my personal preference would be to run Lyx or even just rtf2latex2e 
>>> from the terminal
>>> 
>> Can someone on Mac help Michelle here?
> 
> From the terminal,
> 
> /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/lyx

Thank you Kevin!
(Thank you Richard also, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.)

My terminal error for the failed rtf import says  "sh: rtf2latex2e: command not 
found".  Which sounds like either a path error or a missing file, is that right?

And,  catching up with the rest of the list... 

... I discover that that the problem is most likely that the needed files 
aren't there.  
...that it is almost certainly that they aren't there . 

So I have downloaded the package linked to by Mathias!  -- Thank you Mathias!

... and asking " which latex2rtf"  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you BH!
now gets me "/usr/local/bin/latex2rtf"

But when I run Lyx and ask it to import an rtf file I still get:

An error occurred whilst running rtf2latex2e 'DarkMoon.rtf'
sh: rtf2latex2e: command not found
Error: Cannot convert file

Hmm... latex2rtf, and latex2rtf2e...  That's not the same.

asking the terminal "which latext2rtf2e" gets me nothing.

Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package, or do I need to set Lyx 
up to use the files I just downloaded?

Re: More RTF import errors

[Richard Heck]

On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:


... and asking " which latex2rtf"  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you BH!
now gets me "/usr/local/bin/latex2rtf"


That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.


But when I run Lyx and ask it to import an rtf file I still get:

An error occurred whilst running rtf2latex2e 'DarkMoon.rtf'
sh: rtf2latex2e: command not found
Error: Cannot convert file

Hmm... latex2rtf, and latex2rtf2e...  That's not the same.


Note: rtf2latex2e, not the other way around.


asking the terminal "which latext2rtf2e" gets me nothing.

If you try "which rtf2latex2e", you will probably also get nothing, in 
which case that program is not installed.



Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?


Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

Richard

Re: More RTF import errors

[Mathias Girel]

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
> On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
>>
>> ... and asking " which latex2rtf"  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you
>> BH!
>> now gets me "/usr/local/bin/latex2rtf"
>>
> That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.
>
Yes. After two or three days, I confirm that the installer for which I
provided the link works perfectly. I have contacted the "author" to
thank him and he tells me that he might update the latex2rtf version.

But that will still not do for importing!
Best
MG

Re: More RTF import errors

[Michelle Bottorff]

On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richard Heck wrote:

> On 02/02/2011 09:21 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:
>> 
>> ... and asking " which latex2rtf"  as BH advised Mathias to do --Thank you 
>> BH!
>> now gets me "/usr/local/bin/latex2rtf"
>> 
> That is good. It will allow you to export to RTF, but not to import.

So it does.  And it works perfectly!  Great, half-way there.  :)

> Note: rtf2latex2e, not the other way around.

D'oh.  Me feel dumb. 

>> asking the terminal "which latext2rtf2e" gets me nothing.
>> 
> If you try "which rtf2latex2e", you will probably also get nothing, in which 
> case that program is not installed.

Yeah, I tried that the right way round, and it wasn't there.  So...

> 
>> Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?
>> 
> Looks like it. Apparently:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
> it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

In order to use MacPorts I need to install the Developer Tools.  
In order to download the Tools I must register as a Developer -- now there's a 
laugh.
And having done that, I will now be downloading the Developer Tools for the 
next day and a half.
(They're supposed to be on my install disk, but my optical drive is shot, and 
so I can't actually read my install disk anymore.)   :(

Re: More RTF import errors

[Richard Heck]

On 02/02/2011 11:31 AM, Michelle Bottorff wrote:

On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Richard Heck wrote:



Now what?  Do I need to hunt down a different package...?


Looks like it. Apparently:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg62704.html
it is on MacPorts, or at least was.

In order to use MacPorts I need to install the Developer Tools.
In order to download the Tools I must register as a Developer -- now there's a 
laugh.
And having done that, I will now be downloading the Developer Tools for the 
next day and a half.

Yes, I had to go through this, too. This is because macports compiles 
everything right on your machine.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[G. Milde]

On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
 option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

So it works similar to

 * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above,

 * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in EditText StyleCustomized...

 Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
 should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
 Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
 [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and
Alignment?

Alignment   Line spacing

(*) Default (*) Default
( ) Justified   ( ) Single
( ) Left( ) 1.5
( ) Center  ( ) Double
( ) Right   ( ) [text field]

[x] Indent Paragraph


(With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: Custom line
spacing, e.g. 1.3ex.)


Günter

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[G. Milde]

On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
 option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

So it works similar to

 * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above,

 * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in EditText StyleCustomized...

 Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
 should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
 Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
 [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and
Alignment?

Alignment   Line spacing

(*) Default (*) Default
( ) Justified   ( ) Single
( ) Left( ) 1.5
( ) Center  ( ) Double
( ) Right   ( ) [text field]

[x] Indent Paragraph


(With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: Custom line
spacing, e.g. 1.3ex.)


Günter

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[G. Milde]

On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
> option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

So it works similar to

 * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above,

 * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in Edit>Text Style>Customized...

>>> Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
>>> should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
>>> "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
>>> "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and
Alignment?

Alignment   Line spacing

(*) Default (*) Default
( ) Justified   ( ) Single
( ) Left( ) 1.5
( ) Center  ( ) Double
( ) Right   ( ) []

[x] Indent Paragraph


(With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: "Custom line
spacing, e.g. 1.3ex".)


Günter

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no 
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that 
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label 
depending upon which situation we're in.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
  indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content.   
Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have   
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if   
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer   
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing   
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate   
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.

rh


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left)  
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some  
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled  
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which  
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the  
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to  
me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph  
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if  
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just  
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's  
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied  
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it  
says justified isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies  
to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a  
problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If  
it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context  
would keep it accurate.


I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my  
user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job!


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if  
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer  
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing  
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate  
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.
 


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) 
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some 
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled 
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently 
formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that 
might be.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which 
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the 
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra 
blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me 
that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph 
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if 
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just 
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's 
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied 
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main 
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't 
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur   
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.   
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think   
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading   
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text   
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because  
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a   
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.

Richard


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy  
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then  
that'll be great.


jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur  
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.  
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think  
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading  
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text  
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because 
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a  
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy 
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then 
that'll be great.


What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the 
first place.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
 extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't   
occur  to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it   
does.  (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?)   
I think  that even if justified is correct,  it was a little   
mis-leading  -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the   
original text  Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is  
 accurate because  it would have implied to me that it might   
properly format a  footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm   
happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them,   
then that'll be great.



What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the
first place.


Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks!
jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no 
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that 
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label 
depending upon which situation we're in.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
  indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content.   
Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have   
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if   
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer   
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing   
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate   
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.

rh


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left)  
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some  
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled  
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which  
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the  
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to  
me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph  
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if  
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just  
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's  
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied  
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it  
says justified isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies  
to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a  
problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If  
it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context  
would keep it accurate.


I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my  
user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job!


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if  
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer  
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing  
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate  
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.
 


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) 
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some 
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled 
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently 
formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that 
might be.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which 
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the 
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra 
blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me 
that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph 
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if 
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just 
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's 
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied 
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main 
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't 
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur   
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.   
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think   
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading   
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text   
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because  
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a   
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.

Richard


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy  
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then  
that'll be great.


jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur  
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.  
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think  
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading  
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text  
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because 
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a  
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy 
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then 
that'll be great.


What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the 
first place.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
 extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't   
occur  to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it   
does.  (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?)   
I think  that even if justified is correct,  it was a little   
mis-leading  -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the   
original text  Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is  
 accurate because  it would have implied to me that it might   
properly format a  footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm   
happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them,   
then that'll be great.



What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the
first place.


Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks!
jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
"Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no 
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that 
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label 
depending upon which situation we're in.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
  indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content.   
Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have   
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if   
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer   
to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing   
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate   
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.

rh


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left)  
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some  
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled  
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which  
I wouldn't think "justified" would apply except for the fact that the  
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to  
me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph  
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if  
"justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just  
due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's  
Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied  
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it  
says "justified" isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies  
to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a  
problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If  
it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context  
would keep it accurate.


I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my  
user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job!


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
"Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if  
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer  
to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing  
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate  
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.
 


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) 
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some 
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled 
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently 
formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that 
might be.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which 
I wouldn't think "justified" would apply except for the fact that the 
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra 
blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me 
that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph 
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if 
"justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just 
due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's 
Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied 
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main 
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't 
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur   
to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does.   
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think   
that even if "justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading   
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text   
"Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because  
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a   
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.

Richard


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy  
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then  
that'll be great.


jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur  
to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does.  
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think  
that even if "justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading  
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text  
"Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because 
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a  
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy 
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then 
that'll be great.


What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the 
first place.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
 extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't   
occur  to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it   
does.  (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?)   
I think  that even if "justified" is correct,  it was a little   
mis-leading  -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the   
original text  "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is  
 accurate because  it would have implied to me that it might   
properly format a  footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm   
happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them,   
then that'll be great.



What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the
first place.


Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks!
jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the  
cursor  resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update  
option is

unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does

for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The  
idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it  
when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.


The bug is that clicking Update does nothing.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the 
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- 
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- 
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into 
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either 
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the 
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now 
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!


That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is
that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask
for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.

rh

rtf import

[Maria Gouskova]

Dear LyX users,

I'm not sure if I'm asking the same question as in the other thread
that mentions rtf import problems, but I've been having an issue as
well. Details:

Mac OS 10.5.1, Intel
LyX 1.5.3 and 1.5.4

FileImport Rich Text Format produces the following error message:

An error occurred whilst running '/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/tex2lyx'
-f

The import process seems to fail at the point where the .lyx file is
generated--there is a useable .tex file but the .lyx file comes out
completely empty and LyX cannot open it.

I don't use rtf documents that often, but my recollection is that it
worked without a hitch in 1.4x. I see nothing on bugzilla about this.

Maria

Re: rtf import

[Liviu Andronic]

On 2/25/08, Maria Gouskova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  LyX 1.5.3 and 1.5.4

  FileImport Rich Text Format produces the following error message:

I have no such menu item. I am curious: what package is responsible
for this conversion?

Thanks,
Liviu

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the   
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --   
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting  
 -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!





The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text   
into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote   
-- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote   
number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote   
footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
 the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote   
contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.


Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be  
the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined  
by the context.


I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter  
titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the  
default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable  
to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so.  
Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues  
-- only imported latex as far as I've found.


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this 
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!


Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button 
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default 
by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part 
have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this   
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it  
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say  
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I  
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest  
in the detail here!


How about Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?  
:-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the  
program for a later version. :-)


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the  
cursor  resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update  
option is

unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does

for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The  
idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it  
when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.


The bug is that clicking Update does nothing.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the 
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- 
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- 
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into 
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either 
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the 
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now 
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!


That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is
that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask
for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.

rh

rtf import

[Maria Gouskova]

Dear LyX users,

I'm not sure if I'm asking the same question as in the other thread
that mentions rtf import problems, but I've been having an issue as
well. Details:

Mac OS 10.5.1, Intel
LyX 1.5.3 and 1.5.4

FileImport Rich Text Format produces the following error message:

An error occurred whilst running '/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/tex2lyx'
-f

The import process seems to fail at the point where the .lyx file is
generated--there is a useable .tex file but the .lyx file comes out
completely empty and LyX cannot open it.

I don't use rtf documents that often, but my recollection is that it
worked without a hitch in 1.4x. I see nothing on bugzilla about this.

Maria

Re: rtf import

[Liviu Andronic]

On 2/25/08, Maria Gouskova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  LyX 1.5.3 and 1.5.4

  FileImport Rich Text Format produces the following error message:

I have no such menu item. I am curious: what package is responsible
for this conversion?

Thanks,
Liviu

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the   
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --   
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting  
 -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!





The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text   
into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote   
-- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote   
number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote   
footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
 the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote   
contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.


Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be  
the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined  
by the context.


I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter  
titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the  
default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable  
to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so.  
Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues  
-- only imported latex as far as I've found.


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this 
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!


Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button 
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default 
by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part 
have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this   
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it  
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say  
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I  
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest  
in the detail here!


How about Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?  
:-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the  
program for a later version. :-)


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the  
cursor  resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update"  
option is

unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does

for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The  
idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it  
when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.


The bug is that clicking "Update" does nothing.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the 
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- 
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- 
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into 
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either 
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the 
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now 
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!


That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is
that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask
for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.

rh

rtf import

[Maria Gouskova]

Dear LyX users,

I'm not sure if I'm asking the same question as in the other thread
that mentions rtf import problems, but I've been having an issue as
well. Details:

Mac OS 10.5.1, Intel
LyX 1.5.3 and 1.5.4

File>Import Rich Text Format produces the following error message:

An error occurred whilst running '/Applications/LyX.app/Contents/MacOS/tex2lyx'
-f

The import process seems to fail at the point where the .lyx file is
generated--there is a useable .tex file but the .lyx file comes out
completely empty and LyX cannot open it.

I don't use rtf documents that often, but my recollection is that it
worked without a hitch in 1.4x. I see nothing on bugzilla about this.

Maria

Re: rtf import

[Liviu Andronic]

On 2/25/08, Maria Gouskova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  LyX 1.5.3 and 1.5.4
>
>  File>Import Rich Text Format produces the following error message:

I have no such menu item. I am curious: what package is responsible
for this conversion?

Thanks,
Liviu

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the   
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --   
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting  
 -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!





The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text   
into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote   
-- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote   
number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote   
footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
 the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote   
contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.


Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be  
the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined  
by the context.


I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter  
titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the  
default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable  
to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so.  
Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues  
-- only imported latex as far as I've found.


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this 
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!


Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button 
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" 
by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part 
have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this   
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it  
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say  
"Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I  
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest  
in the detail here!


How about "Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?"  
:-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the  
program for a later version. :-)


jamie faunt

footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Hi, I'm converting some documents into LyX. As a side-note, I can't  
get .rtf import to work but can seem to import latex files. It would  
be easier if I could import .rtf files.


Anyway, the problem is that once imported, I need to re-configure the  
footnotes. When I create a footnote and copy and paste the contents  
into the new blank footnote, it formats it with a blank line in the  
footnotes footer between the footnote number and the text of the  
footnote. Same thing happens when I select the text and then use a  
footnote command.


In viewing the source I see the problem is the {flushleft} paragraph  
command at the beginning of the footnote.


I can't delete this from view source. And in fact another problem is  
that when I put the cursor in another paragraph, the view source  
insists on giving me the old paragraph that is no longer selected.  
Seems like a bug.


So the only way I've been able to get rid of the blank line between  
the footnote number and its contents is to completely re-type the  
footnote into a new footnote inset.


This isn't as bad as re-typing the whole document certainly. But it is  
a bit of a pain when there are more than a few footnotes in a doc.


One work-around would be if there a way I can edit the source from  
within LyX. Can I?


Or better, is there a way I can select and create footnotes from  
existing text without it creating this formatting problem that causes  
me to completely re-type?



In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.

Also:

2) being able to import .rtf files

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


4) editing source from within LyX.


Help / insights on any of the above appreciated.

thanks,
jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem  
that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph  
formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit   
Paragraph Settings 



2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex  
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple  
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option  
is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to  
check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does for me.



4) editing source from within LyX.


This is not currently possible.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the  
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --  
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting --  
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.


The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into  
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either  
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the  
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.





2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


thanks -- I'll try that.



3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor   
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-)

jamie faunt

footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Hi, I'm converting some documents into LyX. As a side-note, I can't  
get .rtf import to work but can seem to import latex files. It would  
be easier if I could import .rtf files.


Anyway, the problem is that once imported, I need to re-configure the  
footnotes. When I create a footnote and copy and paste the contents  
into the new blank footnote, it formats it with a blank line in the  
footnotes footer between the footnote number and the text of the  
footnote. Same thing happens when I select the text and then use a  
footnote command.


In viewing the source I see the problem is the {flushleft} paragraph  
command at the beginning of the footnote.


I can't delete this from view source. And in fact another problem is  
that when I put the cursor in another paragraph, the view source  
insists on giving me the old paragraph that is no longer selected.  
Seems like a bug.


So the only way I've been able to get rid of the blank line between  
the footnote number and its contents is to completely re-type the  
footnote into a new footnote inset.


This isn't as bad as re-typing the whole document certainly. But it is  
a bit of a pain when there are more than a few footnotes in a doc.


One work-around would be if there a way I can edit the source from  
within LyX. Can I?


Or better, is there a way I can select and create footnotes from  
existing text without it creating this formatting problem that causes  
me to completely re-type?



In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.

Also:

2) being able to import .rtf files

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


4) editing source from within LyX.


Help / insights on any of the above appreciated.

thanks,
jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem  
that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph  
formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit   
Paragraph Settings 



2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex  
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple  
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option  
is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to  
check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does for me.



4) editing source from within LyX.


This is not currently possible.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the  
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --  
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting --  
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.


The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into  
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either  
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the  
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.





2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


thanks -- I'll try that.



3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor   
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-)

jamie faunt

footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Hi, I'm converting some documents into LyX. As a side-note, I can't  
get .rtf import to work but can seem to import latex files. It would  
be easier if I could import .rtf files.


Anyway, the problem is that once imported, I need to re-configure the  
footnotes. When I create a footnote and copy and paste the contents  
into the new blank footnote, it formats it with a blank line in the  
footnotes footer between the footnote number and the text of the  
footnote. Same thing happens when I select the text and then use a  
footnote command.


In viewing the source I see the problem is the {flushleft} paragraph  
command at the beginning of the footnote.


I can't delete this from view source. And in fact another problem is  
that when I put the cursor in another paragraph, the view source  
insists on giving me the old paragraph that is no longer selected.  
Seems like a bug.


So the only way I've been able to get rid of the blank line between  
the footnote number and its contents is to completely re-type the  
footnote into a new footnote inset.


This isn't as bad as re-typing the whole document certainly. But it is  
a bit of a pain when there are more than a few footnotes in a doc.


One work-around would be if there a way I can edit the source from  
within LyX. Can I?


Or better, is there a way I can select and create footnotes from  
existing text without it creating this formatting problem that causes  
me to completely re-type?



In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.

Also:

2) being able to import .rtf files

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


4) editing source from within LyX.


Help / insights on any of the above appreciated.

thanks,
jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem  
that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph  
formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit >  
Paragraph Settings 



2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex  
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple  
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option  
is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to  
check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does for me.



4) editing source from within LyX.


This is not currently possible.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the  
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --  
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting --  
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.


The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into  
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either  
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the  
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.





2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


thanks -- I'll try that.



3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor   
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-)

jamie faunt

Re: RTF import

[Helge Hafting]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.

It sort of worked for me.
I imported a rtf file.  A table in the file became a longtable
and was unviewable in lyx.  It showed as a lot of latex code.
It printed almost ok though, except for some conversion errors.

Changing longtable to tabular in the latex file gave me something
I could view on the screen, but re-writing still seems faster than
cleaning up the messy details.

Helge Hafting

Re: RTF import

[Helge Hafting]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.

It sort of worked for me.
I imported a rtf file.  A table in the file became a longtable
and was unviewable in lyx.  It showed as a lot of latex code.
It printed almost ok though, except for some conversion errors.

Changing longtable to tabular in the latex file gave me something
I could view on the screen, but re-writing still seems faster than
cleaning up the messy details.

Helge Hafting

Re: RTF import

[Helge Hafting]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.

It sort of worked for me.
I imported a rtf file.  A table in the file became a longtable
and was unviewable in lyx.  It showed as a lot of latex code.
It printed almost ok though, except for some conversion errors.

Changing longtable to tabular in the latex file gave me something
I could view on the screen, but re-writing still seems faster than
cleaning up the messy details.

Helge Hafting

RTF import

[Yann Collete]

Hello,

Some days ago, an ad has been posted on freshmeat.net about a
software to import a rtf file.

rtf2latex2e:

http://members-http-4.rcw1.sfba.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e

This tool seems to be able to import math equation, table and figures
(jpeg, gif and wmf).
I have tried the examples in the rtf2latex2e package and it works.
I just have to try it on a bigger file.
It's a good tool to translate word file into latex

Your sincerely,

YC

RTF import

[Nabil Hathout]

Hello,

the URL is in fact the following :

http://members.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e/

--Nabil

Yann Collete writes:
  Hello,
  
  Some days ago, an ad has been posted on freshmeat.net about a
  software to import a rtf file.
  
  rtf2latex2e:
  
  http://members-http-4.rcw1.sfba.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e
  
  This tool seems to be able to import math equation, table and figures
  (jpeg, gif and wmf).
  I have tried the examples in the rtf2latex2e package and it works.
  I just have to try it on a bigger file.
  It's a good tool to translate word file into latex
  
  Your sincerely,
  
  YC
  
  

Re: RTF import

[nbecker]

ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.

Re: RTF import

[Mark Hansel]

Worked fine for me with two simple text files produced by MS-word. All the
included examples also worked.

On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.


-- 
Mark Hansel
PO Box 41
Minnesota State University Moorhead
Moorhead, MN 56563
ph: 218-236-2039 fax: 218-236-2593
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wwwcj.mnstate.edu

Re: RTF import

[Yann Collete]

Hello,

Which version of MS-word do you use ?
with MS-word 2000,  I can't convert the rtf exported file.
But I succeed with MS-word 97.

YC

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 Worked fine for me with two simple text files produced by MS-word. All the
 included examples also worked.
 
 On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
 
 
 -- 
 Mark Hansel
 PO Box 41
 Minnesota State University Moorhead
 Moorhead, MN 56563
 ph: 218-236-2039 fax: 218-236-2593
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: RTF import

[Rodrigo Esteves de Lima-Lopes]

i use it quite frequently and it works great, but I have some remarks to
do:

- It has some problems to inport VERY complex tables, but in ordinary ones
it runs fine;
- It fails to import texts with 1,5 line spacing (at least my version),
but it is no big deal;
- The images it translates are sometimes poor, I think you'd better to use
the 'convert' program (Image Magic Package) or Xfig.

bye

Rod 


[]s
lima-lopes

R.E. de Lima-Lopes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNU/Linux Registered User # 182240

On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: 02 Apr 2001 08:30:13 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Yann Collete [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: RTF import
 
 ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
 

RTF import

[Yann Collete]

Hello,

Some days ago, an ad has been posted on freshmeat.net about a
software to import a rtf file.

rtf2latex2e:

http://members-http-4.rcw1.sfba.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e

This tool seems to be able to import math equation, table and figures
(jpeg, gif and wmf).
I have tried the examples in the rtf2latex2e package and it works.
I just have to try it on a bigger file.
It's a good tool to translate word file into latex

Your sincerely,

YC

RTF import

[Nabil Hathout]

Hello,

the URL is in fact the following :

http://members.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e/

--Nabil

Yann Collete writes:
  Hello,
  
  Some days ago, an ad has been posted on freshmeat.net about a
  software to import a rtf file.
  
  rtf2latex2e:
  
  http://members-http-4.rcw1.sfba.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e
  
  This tool seems to be able to import math equation, table and figures
  (jpeg, gif and wmf).
  I have tried the examples in the rtf2latex2e package and it works.
  I just have to try it on a bigger file.
  It's a good tool to translate word file into latex
  
  Your sincerely,
  
  YC
  
  

Re: RTF import

[nbecker]

ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.

Re: RTF import

[Mark Hansel]

Worked fine for me with two simple text files produced by MS-word. All the
included examples also worked.

On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.


-- 
Mark Hansel
PO Box 41
Minnesota State University Moorhead
Moorhead, MN 56563
ph: 218-236-2039 fax: 218-236-2593
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wwwcj.mnstate.edu

Re: RTF import

[Yann Collete]

Hello,

Which version of MS-word do you use ?
with MS-word 2000,  I can't convert the rtf exported file.
But I succeed with MS-word 97.

YC

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 Worked fine for me with two simple text files produced by MS-word. All the
 included examples also worked.
 
 On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
 
 
 -- 
 Mark Hansel
 PO Box 41
 Minnesota State University Moorhead
 Moorhead, MN 56563
 ph: 218-236-2039 fax: 218-236-2593
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://wwwcj.mnstate.edu
 
 

Re: RTF import

[Rodrigo Esteves de Lima-Lopes]

i use it quite frequently and it works great, but I have some remarks to
do:

- It has some problems to inport VERY complex tables, but in ordinary ones
it runs fine;
- It fails to import texts with 1,5 line spacing (at least my version),
but it is no big deal;
- The images it translates are sometimes poor, I think you'd better to use
the 'convert' program (Image Magic Package) or Xfig.

bye

Rod 


[]s
lima-lopes

R.E. de Lima-Lopes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNU/Linux Registered User # 182240

On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: 02 Apr 2001 08:30:13 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Yann Collete [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: RTF import
 
 ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
 

RTF import

[Yann Collete]

Hello,

Some days ago, an ad has been posted on freshmeat.net about a
software to import a rtf file.

rtf2latex2e:

http://members-http-4.rcw1.sfba.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e

This tool seems to be able to import math equation, table and figures
(jpeg, gif and wmf).
I have tried the examples in the rtf2latex2e package and it works.
I just have to try it on a bigger file.
It's a good tool to translate word file into latex

Your sincerely,

YC

RTF import

[Nabil Hathout]

Hello,

the URL is in fact the following :

http://members.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e/

--Nabil

Yann Collete writes:
 > Hello,
 > 
 > Some days ago, an ad has been posted on freshmeat.net about a
 > software to import a rtf file.
 > 
 > rtf2latex2e:
 > 
 > http://members-http-4.rcw1.sfba.home.net/setlur/rtf2latex2e
 > 
 > This tool seems to be able to import math equation, table and figures
 > (jpeg, gif and wmf).
 > I have tried the examples in the rtf2latex2e package and it works.
 > I just have to try it on a bigger file.
 > It's a good tool to translate word file into latex
 > 
 > Your sincerely,
 > 
 > YC
 > 
 > 

Re: RTF import

[nbecker]

ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.

Re: RTF import

[Mark Hansel]

Worked fine for me with two simple text files produced by MS-word. All the
included examples also worked.

On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
>

-- 
Mark Hansel
PO Box 41
Minnesota State University Moorhead
Moorhead, MN 56563
ph: 218-236-2039 fax: 218-236-2593
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wwwcj.mnstate.edu

Re: RTF import

[Yann Collete]

Hello,

Which version of MS-word do you use ?
with MS-word 2000,  I can't convert the rtf exported file.
But I succeed with MS-word 97.

YC

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> 
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> 
> >ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
> >
> 
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> http://wwwcj.mnstate.edu
> 
> 

Re: RTF import

[Rodrigo Esteves de Lima-Lopes]

i use it quite frequently and it works great, but I have some remarks to
do:

- It has some problems to inport VERY complex tables, but in ordinary ones
it runs fine;
- It fails to import texts with 1,5 line spacing (at least my version),
but it is no big deal;
- The images it translates are sometimes poor, I think you'd better to use
the 'convert' program (Image Magic Package) or Xfig.

bye

Rod 


[]s
lima-lopes

R.E. de Lima-Lopes
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNU/Linux Registered User # 182240

On 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: 02 Apr 2001 08:30:13 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Yann Collete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: RTF import
> 
> ANyone try it?  It failed to process either of the two RTFs I tried.
>