Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board

2016-04-29 Thread John R. Hogerhuis 
RTS CTS are only important if you're using HTERM. No other model t software
that I know of uses flow control.

What you will have problems with is DSR/DTR. You need to make sure they are
asserted. Best way IMO is to make a full null cable. But you can also loop
back the pin. Tsdos and other applications check DSR to see if the cable is
connected.

-- John.

On Friday, April 29, 2016, Bill Nobel <b_no...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am using a home built null modem adapter that uses the standard 3 wire
> exchange with RTS/CTS jumpered on each side.  I was thinking they should be
> exchanged between the 2 sides instead of hard wired.
>
> Bill Nobel
> b_nobel@ <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b_no...@yuenscanada.com');>
> hotmail.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:49 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhs.st...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Not sure what you mean by handshaking on the port or the null modem;
> handshaking is usually selected and handled by the software at each end.
> The port and cable are essentially transparent; they don't always pass on
> the hardware handshake signals but that shouldn't matter for TS-DOS.
>
> TS-DOS and its various servers do their own ACK/NAK kind of handshaking so
> anything else should probably be disabled.
>
> What exactly do you have between the M100 and Desklink that gives you
> handshaking options?
>
> mike
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bill Nobel <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b_no...@hotmail.com');>
> *To:* Model 100 Discussion
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','m100@lists.bitchin100.com');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board
>
> Not found a decent solution yet Mark.  I have been trying the different
> Servers without the Rom and couldn’t find a working model.  Now that I have
> the Rom, I should be able to get something.  Should I enable H/W
> handshaking over Xon/Xoff maybe on the port?  My Null modem right now is
> just Xon/Xoff (hard jumpered at either end).
>
> I also burnt Cleuseau Developer and have that up on another Rom now as
> well, on a second board to swap out. I should make note for other people
> trying to get this Rom burnt for themselves.  The Hex file from Club100
> needs a bit of tweaking using a Hex editor.  There is only ‘CR’ at the end
> of each line instead of ‘CR/LF'
>
> Bill Nobel
> b_nobel@ <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b_no...@yuenscanada.com');>
> hotmail.com
>
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhs.st...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Happy to hear it worked so well for you; enjoy! Guess I don't have to
> look up the jumpers after all ;-)
>
> Just curious why you're still running Desklink instead of John's
> LaddieAlpha?
>
> BTW, the name's Mike, not Mark... ;-)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bill Nobel <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b_no...@hotmail.com');>
> *To:* Model 100 Discussion
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','m100@lists.bitchin100.com');>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM
> *Subject:* [M100] Mark Stein's ROM Board
>
> Well, boards, Eproms and parts arrived and I tried it out tonight and
> happy to say SUCCESS TS-Dos burned first try and plugged it in and voila
> TS-Dos up and running.  I need to remove the original socket from the 102
> and Mount the board permanently though,  I added a socket for the Eprom so
> I can change out Roms.
>
> Now I need to get the PC side up and running for comm, I still have
> Desklink crash as soon as I hit F4 on the 102.  I am trying it from a HP
> Win7 starter 10 inch Netbook though.
>
> Bill Nobel
> b_nobel@ <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b_no...@yuenscanada.com');>
> hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board

2016-04-29 Thread Bill Nobel 
I am using a home built null modem adapter that uses the standard 3 wire 
exchange with RTS/CTS jumpered on each side.  I was thinking they should be 
exchanged between the 2 sides instead of hard wired.

Bill Nobel
b_nobel@ <mailto:b_no...@yuenscanada.com>hotmail.com



> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:49 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
>  
> Not sure what you mean by handshaking on the port or the null modem; 
> handshaking is usually selected and handled by the software at each end. The 
> port and cable are essentially transparent; they don't always pass on the 
> hardware handshake signals but that shouldn't matter for TS-DOS.
>  
> TS-DOS and its various servers do their own ACK/NAK kind of handshaking so 
> anything else should probably be disabled.
>  
> What exactly do you have between the M100 and Desklink that gives you 
> handshaking options?
>  
> mike
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Bill Nobel <mailto:b_no...@hotmail.com>
>> To: Model 100 Discussion <mailto:m100@lists.bitchin100.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board
>> 
>> Not found a decent solution yet Mark.  I have been trying the different 
>> Servers without the Rom and couldn’t find a working model.  Now that I have 
>> the Rom, I should be able to get something.  Should I enable H/W handshaking 
>> over Xon/Xoff maybe on the port?  My Null modem right now is just Xon/Xoff 
>> (hard jumpered at either end). 
>> 
>> I also burnt Cleuseau Developer and have that up on another Rom now as well, 
>> on a second board to swap out. I should make note for other people trying to 
>> get this Rom burnt for themselves.  The Hex file from Club100 needs a bit of 
>> tweaking using a Hex editor.  There is only ‘CR’ at the end of each line 
>> instead of ‘CR/LF'
>> 
>> Bill Nobel
>> b_nobel@ <mailto:b_no...@yuenscanada.com>hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Happy to hear it worked so well for you; enjoy! Guess I don't have to look 
>>> up the jumpers after all ;-)
>>>  
>>> Just curious why you're still running Desklink instead of John's 
>>> LaddieAlpha?
>>>  
>>> BTW, the name's Mike, not Mark... ;-)
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: Bill Nobel <mailto:b_no...@hotmail.com>
>>>> To: Model 100 Discussion <mailto:m100@lists.bitchin100.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM
>>>> Subject: [M100] Mark Stein's ROM Board
>>>> 
>>>> Well, boards, Eproms and parts arrived and I tried it out tonight and 
>>>> happy to say SUCCESS TS-Dos burned first try and plugged it in and voila 
>>>> TS-Dos up and running.  I need to remove the original socket from the 102 
>>>> and Mount the board permanently though,  I added a socket for the Eprom so 
>>>> I can change out Roms. 
>>>> 
>>>> Now I need to get the PC side up and running for comm, I still have 
>>>> Desklink crash as soon as I hit F4 on the 102.  I am trying it from a HP 
>>>> Win7 starter 10 inch Netbook though. 
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Nobel
>>>> b_nobel@ <mailto:b_no...@yuenscanada.com>hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board

2016-04-28 Thread Mike Stein 
No problem; there's a fairly well-known conservative author/commentator named 
Mark Steyn who's always getting into trouble so I wouldn't want to be confused 
with him ;-)

mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Nobel 
  To: Model 100 Discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board


  Sorry Mike, I had things listed as Mark in my contact list.  Now corrected.


  Bill Nobel
  b_no...@hotmail.com






On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Bill Nobel <b_no...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Not found a decent solution yet Mark.  I have been trying the different 
Servers without the Rom and couldn’t find a working model.  Now that I have the 
Rom, I should be able to get something.  Should I enable H/W handshaking over 
Xon/Xoff maybe on the port?  My Null modem right now is just Xon/Xoff (hard 
jumpered at either end).


I also burnt Cleuseau Developer and have that up on another Rom now as 
well, on a second board to swap out. I should make note for other people trying 
to get this Rom burnt for themselves.  The Hex file from Club100 needs a bit of 
tweaking using a Hex editor.  There is only ‘CR’ at the end of each line 
instead of ‘CR/LF'


Bill Nobel
b_no...@hotmail.com






  On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Happy to hear it worked so well for you; enjoy! Guess I don't have to 
look up the jumpers after all ;-)

  Just curious why you're still running Desklink instead of John's 
LaddieAlpha?

  BTW, the name's Mike, not Mark... ;-)
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Nobel
To: Model 100 Discussion
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM
Subject: [M100] Mark Stein's ROM Board


Well, boards, Eproms and parts arrived and I tried it out tonight and 
happy to say SUCCESS TS-Dos burned first try and plugged it in and voila TS-Dos 
up and running.  I need to remove the original socket from the 102 and Mount 
the board permanently though,  I added a socket for the Eprom so I can change 
out Roms. 


Now I need to get the PC side up and running for comm, I still have 
Desklink crash as soon as I hit F4 on the 102.  I am trying it from a HP Win7 
starter 10 inch Netbook though. 


Bill Nobel
b_no...@hotmail.com

Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board

2016-04-28 Thread Mike Stein 
Hi Bill,

Not sure what you mean by handshaking on the port or the null modem; 
handshaking is usually selected and handled by the software at each end. The 
port and cable are essentially transparent; they don't always pass on the 
hardware handshake signals but that shouldn't matter for TS-DOS.

TS-DOS and its various servers do their own ACK/NAK kind of handshaking so 
anything else should probably be disabled.

What exactly do you have between the M100 and Desklink that gives you 
handshaking options?

mike
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Nobel 
  To: Model 100 Discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 11:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board


  Not found a decent solution yet Mark.  I have been trying the different 
Servers without the Rom and couldn’t find a working model.  Now that I have the 
Rom, I should be able to get something.  Should I enable H/W handshaking over 
Xon/Xoff maybe on the port?  My Null modem right now is just Xon/Xoff (hard 
jumpered at either end). 


  I also burnt Cleuseau Developer and have that up on another Rom now as well, 
on a second board to swap out. I should make note for other people trying to 
get this Rom burnt for themselves.  The Hex file from Club100 needs a bit of 
tweaking using a Hex editor.  There is only ‘CR’ at the end of each line 
instead of ‘CR/LF'


  Bill Nobel
  b_no...@hotmail.com






On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.st...@gmail.com> wrote:


Happy to hear it worked so well for you; enjoy! Guess I don't have to look 
up the jumpers after all ;-)

Just curious why you're still running Desklink instead of John's 
LaddieAlpha?

BTW, the name's Mike, not Mark... ;-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Nobel
  To: Model 100 Discussion
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM
  Subject: [M100] Mark Stein's ROM Board


  Well, boards, Eproms and parts arrived and I tried it out tonight and 
happy to say SUCCESS TS-Dos burned first try and plugged it in and voila TS-Dos 
up and running.  I need to remove the original socket from the 102 and Mount 
the board permanently though,  I added a socket for the Eprom so I can change 
out Roms.  


  Now I need to get the PC side up and running for comm, I still have 
Desklink crash as soon as I hit F4 on the 102.  I am trying it from a HP Win7 
starter 10 inch Netbook though.  


  Bill Nobel
  b_no...@hotmail.com

Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board

2016-04-28 Thread Bill Nobel 
Not found a decent solution yet Mark.  I have been trying the different Servers 
without the Rom and couldn’t find a working model.  Now that I have the Rom, I 
should be able to get something.  Should I enable H/W handshaking over Xon/Xoff 
maybe on the port?  My Null modem right now is just Xon/Xoff (hard jumpered at 
either end).

I also burnt Cleuseau Developer and have that up on another Rom now as well, on 
a second board to swap out. I should make note for other people trying to get 
this Rom burnt for themselves.  The Hex file from Club100 needs a bit of 
tweaking using a Hex editor.  There is only ‘CR’ at the end of each line 
instead of ‘CR/LF'

Bill Nobel
b_nobel@ hotmail.com



> On Apr 28, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Mike Stein  wrote:
> 
> Happy to hear it worked so well for you; enjoy! Guess I don't have to look up 
> the jumpers after all ;-)
>  
> Just curious why you're still running Desklink instead of John's LaddieAlpha?
>  
> BTW, the name's Mike, not Mark... ;-)
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Bill Nobel 
>> To: Model 100 Discussion 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM
>> Subject: [M100] Mark Stein's ROM Board
>> 
>> Well, boards, Eproms and parts arrived and I tried it out tonight and happy 
>> to say SUCCESS TS-Dos burned first try and plugged it in and voila TS-Dos up 
>> and running.  I need to remove the original socket from the 102 and Mount 
>> the board permanently though,  I added a socket for the Eprom so I can 
>> change out Roms. 
>> 
>> Now I need to get the PC side up and running for comm, I still have Desklink 
>> crash as soon as I hit F4 on the 102.  I am trying it from a HP Win7 starter 
>> 10 inch Netbook though. 
>> 
>> Bill Nobel
>> b_nobel@ hotmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>

Re: [M100] Mike (not Mark ;-) Stein's ROM Board

2016-04-28 Thread Mike Stein 
Happy to hear it worked so well for you; enjoy! Guess I don't have to look up 
the jumpers after all ;-)

Just curious why you're still running Desklink instead of John's LaddieAlpha?

BTW, the name's Mike, not Mark... ;-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Nobel 
  To: Model 100 Discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM
  Subject: [M100] Mark Stein's ROM Board


  Well, boards, Eproms and parts arrived and I tried it out tonight and happy 
to say SUCCESS TS-Dos burned first try and plugged it in and voila TS-Dos up 
and running.  I need to remove the original socket from the 102 and Mount the 
board permanently though,  I added a socket for the Eprom so I can change out 
Roms. 


  Now I need to get the PC side up and running for comm, I still have Desklink 
crash as soon as I hit F4 on the 102.  I am trying it from a HP Win7 starter 10 
inch Netbook though. 


  Bill Nobel
  b_no...@hotmail.com