Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
In the interest of continuity, if the list owner cannot run the list, it probably needs to be migrated to a general email list service provider where service is relatively free of uptime issues such as we have experienced and transferred to another list administrator who has the time to dedicate to it. I cannot comment on any other services being hosted by the owner. This list has many dedicated contributors and it would be a shame to lose it simply because of the inability to configure a personal server. These services are basically available similar to home appliances these days. There is not an awful lot of configuration necessary to simply administer an email list in 2015. It's quite uncomplicated. With Google Groups, Yahoo, and many other services such as publicly available Mailman and other list managers, there is no need to go through painful singular configuration to make an email list quite functional and responsive without constant user surveys related to whether migration is desired, etc. Maybe some of the frustration is related to the apparent lack of automation of the user-based administration of list subscription and configuration options that are quite expected on most email lists. Spectacular server crashes are a thing of the past of the proper backup procedures are in place. I used to administer a list of approximately 700 subscribers with about four hours per week of dedication. That certainly can vary and I'm not necessarily trying to draw a direct comparison. I hate to post this directly to the list since I know it's not proper etiquette but I'm frankly tired of getting the long-winded depositions about the status of something that really shouldn't be a problem or the cryptic meanderings about anticipated/unanticipated issues with services unrelated to this list that I don't care about. Services related to the list should probably be separate from any web hosting ventures if the reliability is going to be so suspect. This should not be quite as complicated as it seems to be. Backup the user database on a schedule and change providers accordingly, if necessary., and hopefully very infrequently I know what it's like to run into issues with administering a list. At this point, it seems to be a little unreasonable. It should be an extremely rare occasion when you can't get an immediate backup of the list subscribers but must continuously poll the list for who is subscribed and who wishes to remain. My suggestion is to shoot for some continuity for a while using whatever mechanism will accomplish it and restore the faith of the subscribers. Things have become a little strange here. Right now, when I visit mac-access.net <http://mac-access.net/>, I am confronted with a raw incarnation of SurgeMail. Jack of all trades is master of none and I'll stay subscribed unless I anger the owner and he actually takes the initiative to manually unsubscribe me. Nevertheless, I'm sick of the duplicate messages, general unreliability, and misadministration of this list. I understand that there may be legitimate reasons why there have been problems but we're all still here. If it's not working and is not going to work, let someone handle it who can do so. Web hosting and other services are unrelated and should not be addressed here unless the subject applies to most subscribers. I have tremendous respect for those who cull through the countless spam and other administrivia required to manage a healthy email list. Right now, this one does not appear to be healthy. On May 25, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Roger, I, too, have been unable to contact Gordon today and my problems are much worse than just unwanted e-mail traffic. Gordon hosts my website and it’s been down for over three weeks now. We were in contact over the week-end, but today, nothing. I can tell you that the mail server is running SurgeMail which is new to me and seems horribly complicated. The unsubscribe message I suggested was adapted from the one that works for my own list, so I don’t know why it isn’t working for this one. Cheers, Anne > On 25 May 2015, at 16:32, Roger Firman wrote: > > Dear David and List members, > > I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any email > addresses I have are being rejected. > > I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make > contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware of > what is happening. > > Best wishes, > > Roger. > > -Original Message- > From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > I can understand the frustration. > > I have been trying also to unsubscribe using
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
Just a couple of points. 1. I tried the suggestion made by Ms Ann no dice. 2. As another list member has pointed out a simple email informing people that they are back online would have sufficed. Please don't make excuses for Gordon's incompetence. Simply harvesting everyone's email address and receiving multiple copies of every email that is sent to the server clattering up once inbox is absolutely unacceptable! I have tried numerous things including trying to contact these administrators via Skype. They either don't want to take my call or they keep going off line. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- > On 26 May 2015, at 12:41 am, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > > These people wanting to leave the list might feel differently if they knew > what I went through the eyes-free list with with GoogleGroups. > For those who don't know, the eyes-free list is for Android users. > It gets at least 200 messages a day, and it is unmoderated. > My ISP had just switched to using the gMail server when I subscribed, so my > eMail went in as my user name at gMail.com. > Then I tried to unsubscribe and the unsubscribe commands did not recognize me > because my eMails going to the list showed up as from my ISP, @cableone.net > When I complained to the list, someone there was able to set me up so I could > not post to the list, but I was still getting the messages. > For a couple years, I just filtered them to my trash. > Then my ISP came back with providing their own eMail server, and I was put > into IMAP, and my filters no longer worked. > Their web interface was AJAX, rather than standard HTML, by default, which > made it unusable by a Blind user. > So after all that, I feel like the folks complaining here have little to > complain about. > Glenn > - Original Message - > From: Christopher-Mark Gilland > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > I definitely agree 150% that the language is uncalled for! That said > however, I feel his frustration. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: Eileen > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for > that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email > account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off > list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. > I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to > receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the > monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new > server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in > someone elses mouth that values this list serve. > > Good day and good riddens to you. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: >> >> Well said. >> >> Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at >> all. > >> But this is getting fucking ridiculous. >> >> I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. >> >> Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! >> >> Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. >> >> Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. >> >> Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this >> stupid list. >> >> Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. >> >> A horrendous web interface. >> >> To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. >> >> For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. >> >> Sadam Ahmed >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> >> >> >>> On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: >>> >>> Administrator, >>> just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all >>> the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the >>> list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would >>> have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing >>> could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to >>> conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested >>> this? Are you insane? Good god. >>> >>> I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need >>> that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me >>> as someone who just got his Nintendoback! >>> >>> That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it >>> promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple >>> operating system to my satisfaction. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Jay
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
Hi Ann, I'm so sorry to hear that. That's unexceptable, since you run a business from your web site. I believe that those who are on the list serve received the last email from George over the weakend. I hope there's nothing seriously wrong with him or if all of this has gone belly up. In the past, I have obtained valuable helpful information. Let's hope for the best. Cheers, Eileen Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Roger, > > I, too, have been unable to contact Gordon today and my problems are much > worse than just unwanted e-mail traffic. Gordon hosts my website and it’s > been down for over three weeks now. We were in contact over the week-end, but > today, nothing. > > I can tell you that the mail server is running SurgeMail which is new to me > and seems horribly complicated. The unsubscribe message I suggested was > adapted from the one that works for my own list, so I don’t know why it isn’t > working for this one. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> On 25 May 2015, at 16:32, Roger Firman wrote: >> >> Dear David and List members, >> >> I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any >> email addresses I have are being rejected. >> >> I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make >> contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware >> of what is happening. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Roger. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] >> Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 >> To: mac-access@mac-access.net >> Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! >> >> I can understand the frustration. >> >> I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address >> without success. >> >> I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down >> completely until things work properly. >> >> David Griffith >> David Griffith >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 >> To: mac-access@mac-access.net >> Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! >> >> Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for >> that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email >> account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you >> off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working >> full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones >> that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't >> follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate >> to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad >> taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. >> >> Good day and good riddens to you. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: >> >> >> >>Well said. >> >>Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful >> at all. >> >> >>But this is getting fucking ridiculous. >> >>I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. >> >>Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! >> >>Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. >> >>Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. >> >>Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this >> stupid list. >> >>Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. >> >>A horrendous web interface. >> >>To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. >> >>For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. >> >> >>Sadam Ahmed >> >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>-- >> >> >> >>On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: >> >> >> >>Administrator, >> just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to >> take all >>the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start >> the >>list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available >>
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
Hello Roger, I, too, have been unable to contact Gordon today and my problems are much worse than just unwanted e-mail traffic. Gordon hosts my website and it’s been down for over three weeks now. We were in contact over the week-end, but today, nothing. I can tell you that the mail server is running SurgeMail which is new to me and seems horribly complicated. The unsubscribe message I suggested was adapted from the one that works for my own list, so I don’t know why it isn’t working for this one. Cheers, Anne > On 25 May 2015, at 16:32, Roger Firman wrote: > > Dear David and List members, > > I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any email > addresses I have are being rejected. > > I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make > contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware of > what is happening. > > Best wishes, > > Roger. > > -Original Message- > From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > I can understand the frustration. > > I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address > without success. > > I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down > completely until things work properly. > > David Griffith > David Griffith > > -Original Message- > From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for > that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email > account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off > list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. > I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to > receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the > monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new > server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in > someone elses mouth that values this list serve. > > Good day and good riddens to you. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: > > > > Well said. > > Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful > at all. > > > But this is getting fucking ridiculous. > > I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. > > Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! > > Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. > > Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. > > Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from > this stupid list. > > Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. > > A horrendous web interface. > > To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. > > For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. > > > Sadam Ahmed > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > > > On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: > > > > Administrator, >just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse > to take all > the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send > email's/start the > list again. Sending people an email stating the list was > available would > have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that > were willing > could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no > idea how to > conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't > you have tested > this? Are you insane? Good god. > >I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. > We all need > that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. > You strike me > as someone who just got his Nintendo back! > >That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me > off it > promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out > the apple > operating system to my satisfaction. > > > Best, > > Jay > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
actually, I hate to bust your bubble, but it actually disconnected by giving me an error message directly that said the call was rejected on the receiving end. so actually, no it wasn't unfair considering the fact that I was given that error message very specifically, and very directly. Otherwise, I would agree. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2015, at 10:57, Eleanor Martha Burke > wrote: > > I think that is unfair assumption, as I have just tried to call somebody on > Skype or is exceptionally helpful to me and I just keep getting disconnected. > > > >> On 25 May 2015, at 15:48, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> wrote: >> >> I saw them on Skype but as soon as I called, the call was immediately >> rejected. Weird, too, considerring that their status wasn't set to away nor >> busy. It said flat out, online. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message ----- From: "Roger Firman" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:32 AM >> Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! >> >> >> Dear David and List members, >> >> I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any >> email addresses I have are being rejected. >> >> I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make >> contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware >> of what is happening. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Roger. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] >> Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 >> To: mac-access@mac-access.net >> Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! >> >> I can understand the frustration. >> >> I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address >> without success. >> >> I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down >> completely until things work properly. >> >> David Griffith >> David Griffith >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 >> To: mac-access@mac-access.net >> Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! >> >> Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for >> that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email >> account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you >> off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working >> full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones >> that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't >> follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate >> to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad >> taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. >> >> Good day and good riddens to you. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: >> >> >> >> Well said. >> >> Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at >> all. >> >> >> But this is getting fucking ridiculous. >> >> I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. >> >> Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! >> >> Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. >> >> Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. >> >> Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this >> stupid list. >> >> Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. >> >> A horrendous web interface. >> >> To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. >> >> For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. >> >> >> Sadam Ahmed >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> >> >> >> On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: >> >> >> >> Administrator, >> just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all >> the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the >> list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would >> have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing >> could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to >> conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested >> this? Are you insane? Good god. >> >> I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need >> that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me >> as someone who just got his Nintendo back! >> >> That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it >> promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple >> operating system to my satisfaction. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Jay >
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
It's crazy, why is it so difficult to bring down the server? Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote: > > I saw them on Skype but as soon as I called, the call was immediately > rejected. Weird, too, considerring that their status wasn't set to away nor > busy. It said flat out, online. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Roger Firman" > > To: > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:32 AM > Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > > Dear David and List members, > > I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any email > addresses I have are being rejected. > > I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make > contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware of > what is happening. > > Best wishes, > > Roger. > > -Original Message- > From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > I can understand the frustration. > > I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address > without success. > > I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down > completely until things work properly. > > David Griffith > David Griffith > > -Original Message- > From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for > that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email > account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off > list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. > I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to > receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the > monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new > server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in > someone elses mouth that values this list serve. > > Good day and good riddens to you. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: > > > > Well said. > > Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at > all. > > > But this is getting fucking ridiculous. > > I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. > > Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! > > Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. > > Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. > > Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this > stupid list. > > Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. > > A horrendous web interface. > > To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. > > For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. > > > Sadam Ahmed > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > > > On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: > > > > Administrator, > just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all > the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the > list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would > have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing > could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to > conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested > this? Are you insane? Good god. > > I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need > that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me > as someone who just got his Nintendo back! > > That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it > promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple > operating system to my satisfaction. > > > Best, > > Jay > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
I think that is unfair assumption, as I have just tried to call somebody on Skype or is exceptionally helpful to me and I just keep getting disconnected. > On 25 May 2015, at 15:48, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote: > > I saw them on Skype but as soon as I called, the call was immediately > rejected. Weird, too, considerring that their status wasn't set to away nor > busy. It said flat out, online. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Roger Firman" > > To: > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:32 AM > Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > > Dear David and List members, > > I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any email > addresses I have are being rejected. > > I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make > contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware of > what is happening. > > Best wishes, > > Roger. > > -Original Message- > From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > I can understand the frustration. > > I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address > without success. > > I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down > completely until things work properly. > > David Griffith > David Griffith > > -----Original Message- > From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] > Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 > To: mac-access@mac-access.net > Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! > > Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for > that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email > account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off > list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. > I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to > receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the > monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new > server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in > someone elses mouth that values this list serve. > > Good day and good riddens to you. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: > > > > Well said. > > Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at > all. > > > But this is getting fucking ridiculous. > > I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. > > Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! > > Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. > > Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. > > Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this > stupid list. > > Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. > > A horrendous web interface. > > To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. > > For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. > > > Sadam Ahmed > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > > > On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: > > > > Administrator, > just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all > the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the > list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would > have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing > could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to > conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested > this? Are you insane? Good god. > > I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need > that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me > as someone who just got his Nintendo back! > > That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it > promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple > operating system to my satisfaction. > > > Best, > > Jay > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!
I saw them on Skype but as soon as I called, the call was immediately rejected. Weird, too, considerring that their status wasn't set to away nor busy. It said flat out, online. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Roger Firman" To: Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:32 AM Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! Dear David and List members, I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any email addresses I have are being rejected. I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware of what is happening. Best wishes, Roger. -Original Message- From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! I can understand the frustration. I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address without success. I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down completely until things work properly. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. Good day and good riddens to you. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: Well said. Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at all. But this is getting fucking ridiculous. I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this stupid list. Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. A horrendous web interface. To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: Administrator, just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested this? Are you insane? Good god. I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me as someone who just got his Nintendo back! That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple operating system to my satisfaction. Best, Jay
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These people wanting to leave the list might feel differently if they knew what I went through the eyes-free list with with GoogleGroups. For those who don't know, the eyes-free list is for Android users. It gets at least 200 messages a day, and it is unmoderated. My ISP had just switched to using the gMail server when I subscribed, so my eMail went in as my user name at gMail.com. Then I tried to unsubscribe and the unsubscribe commands did not recognize me because my eMails going to the list showed up as from my ISP, @cableone.net When I complained to the list, someone there was able to set me up so I could not post to the list, but I was still getting the messages. For a couple years, I just filtered them to my trash. Then my ISP came back with providing their own eMail server, and I was put into IMAP, and my filters no longer worked. Their web interface was AJAX, rather than standard HTML, by default, which made it unusable by a Blind user. So after all that, I feel like the folks complaining here have little to complain about. Glenn - Original Message - From: Christopher-Mark Gilland To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! I definitely agree 150% that the language is uncalled for! That said however, I feel his frustration. Chris. - Original Message - From: Eileen To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. Good day and good riddens to you. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: Well said. Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at all. But this is getting fucking ridiculous. I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this stupid list. Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. A horrendous web interface. To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: Administrator, just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested this? Are you insane? Good god. I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me as someone who just got his Nintendo back! That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple operating system to my satisfaction. Best, Jay
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Dear David and List members, I've tried to make contact with those responsible for this list but any email addresses I have are being rejected. I can't explain what is going on, however, if anyone knows how to make contact then that would be very helpful as it is possible they are unaware of what is happening. Best wishes, Roger. -Original Message- From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com] Sent: 25 May 2015 15:21 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: enough! I can understand the frustration. I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address without success. I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down completely until things work properly. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. Good day and good riddens to you. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: Well said. Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at all. But this is getting fucking ridiculous. I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this stupid list. Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. A horrendous web interface. To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: Administrator, just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested this? Are you insane? Good god. I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me as someone who just got his Nintendo back! That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple operating system to my satisfaction. Best, Jay
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I definitely agree 150% that the language is uncalled for! That said however, I feel his frustration. Chris. - Original Message - From: Eileen To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. Good day and good riddens to you. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: Well said. Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at all. But this is getting fucking ridiculous. I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this stupid list. Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. A horrendous web interface. To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: Administrator, just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested this? Are you insane? Good god. I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me as someone who just got his Nintendo back! That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple operating system to my satisfaction. Best, Jay
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I can understand the frustration. I have been trying also to unsubscribe using the recommended email address without success. I would suggest that the administrator of this list needs to take it down completely until things work properly. David Griffith David Griffith -Original Message- From: Eileen [mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 May 2015 15:14 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough! Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. Good day and good riddens to you. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: Well said. Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at all. But this is getting fucking ridiculous. I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this stupid list. Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. A horrendous web interface. To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: Administrator, just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested this? Are you insane? Good god. I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me as someone who just got his Nintendo back! That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple operating system to my satisfaction. Best, Jay
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Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that values this list serve. Good day and good riddens to you. Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed wrote: > > Well said. > > Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at > all. > But this is getting fucking ridiculous. > > I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. > > Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! > > Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. > > Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. > > Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this > stupid list. > > Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. > > A horrendous web interface. > > To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. > > For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. > > Sadam Ahmed > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > > >> On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: >> >> Administrator, >> just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all >> the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the >> list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would >> have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing >> could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to >> conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested >> this? Are you insane? Good god. >> >> I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need >> that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me >> as someone who just got his Nintendo back! >> >> That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it >> promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple >> operating system to my satisfaction. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Jay >> >> >>
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Well said. Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at all. But this is getting fucking ridiculous. I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense. Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this stupid list. Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. A horrendous web interface. To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- > On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo wrote: > > Administrator, > just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take all > the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the > list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would > have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were willing > could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to > conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have tested > this? Are you insane? Good god. > > I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need > that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike me > as someone who just got his Nintendo back! > > That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it > promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple > operating system to my satisfaction. > > > Best, > > Jay > > >
