Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
Actually you can use columns is standard view. You just interact with a message, move to a column, and then when you press the up and down arrows, only that column is read. HtH, Teresa "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham On Oct 23, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Actually those preferences are the first thing I played with. I’ve found no way to silence the time every message was received as I arrow through the message list. If you ahve found a way it would be great to get more info. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials an

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Traci Duncan
I wish in modern view we could move around the columns. I too miss the number conversation at the beginning, I relied on that pretty heavily. Sheesh, if I saw a conversation was over 20, sometimes I skipped it. In classic layout I don’t know how to get VO to announce the number inside the con

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Mike Arrigo
There is a setting in voice over where you can disable the announcement of column headers, this should turn off the reading of the title of each column. Original message: Thanks very much for that Alex. I have never used Classic View before today, but you’re right, enabling it has allowed me t

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Mike Arrigo
A few things here. You might try changing to classic view instead of conversation view, I think that's a bit easier. Second, the fastest way to move through your messages is to interact with the messages table and place your voice over cursor on the subject column, at that point, you can just a

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Cait and Maggie
Ok, I finally got vo j to work, but for some reason, I’m having to hit it twice for it work. anyone know the reason for this? thanks, Caitlyn On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > I don’t like to hear read or unread status, because it just slows things > down. Similarly, openin

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Caitt Furness
DoesvDOJ still working maverick I can't seem to get it to work thanks Kaitlyn Sent from Caitlyn's I phone > On 23 Oct 2013, at 01:51, Alex Hall wrote: > > Fair enough, everyone uses apps in different ways. I just wanted to make > people aware of the alternative. >> On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:11 AM

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Can't you do classic view for mail? I use the classic view in ML but will be installing Mavericks od Saturday. Kawal. Sent from my I phone > On 23 Oct 2013, at 10:33 am, Caitt Furness wrote: > > How you read messages in mail now ever since I'm fine ever since installing > Maverick I haven't

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Caitt Furness
How you read messages in mail now ever since I'm fine ever since installing Maverick I haven't been able to do anything with my mail messages not read not reply not forward not anything thanks Kaitlyn Sent from Caitlyn's I phone > On 23 Oct 2013, at 04:54, Kliphton --- wrote:t > > You did

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-23 Thread Kliphton -------
You didn’t have to turn classic view on for that. You could have whent to preferences, viewing, and then went to header. There is an option in that setting to customize what you hear. The one thing I haven’t been able to get rid of, is voice over saying “imbedded” before reading each email,

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey, not bad, hitting enter is all good. On 23 Oct 2013, at 3:25 pm, Alex Hall wrote: > One thing to keep in mind is that you can press enter on a message to open it > and, 99% of the time, VO will start reading it. The other advantage is that, > if you get rid of the preview pane, you are not

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
Fair enough, everyone uses apps in different ways. I just wanted to make people aware of the alternative. On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > I don’t like to hear read or unread status, because it just slows things > down. Similarly, opening the message with Return speaks a who

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Mosen
I don’t like to hear read or unread status, because it just slows things down. Similarly, opening the message with Return speaks a whole bunch of window title information that slows me down too. This is why I prefer VO+J. It’s the quickest way to get right at the text, when it works. Jonathan Mo

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
One thing to keep in mind is that you can press enter on a message to open it and, 99% of the time, VO will start reading it. The other advantage is that, if you get rid of the preview pane, you are not seeing messages marked as "read" just because you arrowed over them. I realize it is differen

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread CJ Daniel
Jonathan, I’m not experiencing the problem, a you described, with VO-J. I, still, press it & away we go…reading the email. So, it must be an individual thing? CJ On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > Hi everyone, so far I must say I’m disappointed with Mail in Mavericks. > M

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2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey, mail isn’t the only thing acting up. finder is taking a very long time to get going. i hit cmd shift O for documents and it is saying bizzy for a long time. On 23 Oct 2013, at 1:49 pm, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > I can confirm this Michael, but it behaves itself if you want to use the > classi

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Mosen
I can confirm this Michael, but it behaves itself if you want to use the classic view. Would be worth reporting it as a bug though. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 23/10/2013, at 3:38 pm, Michael Marshall wrote: > hey all,

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey all, i’m using mail and when i hit VO J to interact with a message first it will say “interact with enbedded” if i do it a second time i interact with text. to get back to the message table i have to VO J twice. still usible but strange. Michael On 23 Oct 2013, at 12:39 pm, Jonathan Mosen

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Thanks very much for that Alex. I have never used Classic View before today, but you’re right, enabling it has allowed me to turn some of this stuff off. I do wish VO didn’t speak the field before the contents of each field, but at least it’s a little better than what I had. Jonathan Mosen Mosen

Re: Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
I am not running OS 10.9 yet, but it sounds like you have disabled Classic View. I don't use that feature, but what you describe - the ability to decide exactly what get spoken with each message - is Classic View behavior. Open Mail Preferences, and see if you can find the Classic View setting c

Poor mail Experience. Any way to Tweak?

2013-10-22 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi everyone, so far I must say I’m disappointed with Mail in Mavericks. Mail in Mavericks has become way to chatty for my tastes and I’m hoping I’ve just missed a setting to make it stop. In Mountain Lion, I had my message list set up so all I heard was the sender, and the subject. If there was a