Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-18 Thread Georgina Joyce
Hello, I haven’t been following this thread but I’m sure the terminal commands work. So move VO to the end simply press ctrl + e you can use ctrl + a for the beginning etc. Just tried it then used VO left arrow to read the file extension then again to read filename. Regards. Gena On 18

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-18 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
this was on my terminal Dionipher — bash — 80×24 On 18 Feb 2015, at 06:19 pm, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote: Hello, I haven’t been following this thread but I’m sure the terminal commands work. So move VO to the end simply press ctrl + e you can use ctrl + a for the beginning

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-18 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
i sorry to interrupt you with this topic, i just wonder how you could edit the terminal, since i posted some commands there for viewing hidden folders and pasted again a command to hide the folders back. On 17 Feb 2015, at 09:37 am, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Sean, I believe we

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-17 Thread Barry Hadder
Sean, I believe we were on the same page. I don’t think that you read my entire post however. I refer to this: As far as reviewing output written to the console, you can move vo to the line above the one you want to review than vo-right will put you at the beginning of the line in question.

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-16 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
What I’d love to see is a way to jump to the top of the visible Terminal output, and not the entire scrollback buffer. Nowadays, as a result of VoiceOver’s inability to do that, I read man pages by just putting “|cat” at the end of the command (e.g., “man ls|cat”) so the whole page ends up in

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-16 Thread Sean Murphy
Barry, I agree we are not on the same page. Below are the steps to reproduce the issue I have outlined. 1. Open terminal and interact with the text area of the terminal. 2. Issue a ls -l on a directory with a lot of files/directories. Lets say over 25 files. 3. Now use vo-up arrow to move up

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-15 Thread Barry Hadder
What do you mean by saying you can’t move to the beginning of a line in terminal? On the command line or in a text editor such as emacs , do the following: control-a moves the insertion to the beginning of a line and Voiceover tracks. control-e moves to the end of a line. option-f move forward a

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-15 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! This is very true. I still use some windows as i need to braille embossing which is not very handy on the mac. I use Linux as i feel that the braille support in orca is very very good and is still beeing developped. Especially when browsing a web Linux is the best platform for me. I mostly

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-15 Thread Sean Murphy
Barry I am not talking about moving the insert cursor rather the Voice-Over cursor to the begining of the line. CTRL A and like commands only move the insert cursor there is no command to move the Voice-Over cursor to the beginning of the line when you are reveiwing the history buffer. My

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-15 Thread Barry Hadder
Sean, I’m not sure what you’re having trouble with here. It appears that we are not communicating. As I pointed out, the vo cursor tracks with the insertion point. There is no specific vo command to move vo to the beginning of a line. You move the insertion point and if vo doesn’t track, then

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-14 Thread Sean Murphy
David and all, I agree with your approach. As a user of technology for over 30 years now. There is no one solution. If you lock yourself into one solution, then you will find down the track at some time your lack of knowledge and expertise has left you behind requiring a major re-learning. Is

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-12 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I totally agree with you William regarding braille support. Its so basic that i seldom use it at all. It would be really intresting if we could show them how things work now and how things should work. /A 12 feb 2015 kl. 07:10 skrev William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com: Of course,

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-12 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Please have a look at my Applevis post, Report-An-Accessibility-Bug-Friday”, an effort to get these bugs noticed: http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/report-accessibility-bug-friday It’d be very cool to get this going by tomorrow, although it hasn’t received a response yet. --

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-12 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I agree about the Braille. I have not used my Braille display very much with the Mac because of what William says in his message. I thought by now as the Mac Operating Systems matured and developed, we'd have better Braille support. May be Freedom Scientific best give them a hand since they

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-12 Thread David Griffith
I too must confess that I am not a braille user on the Mac so cannot comment on how frustrating this is. however there do seem to be a lot of people using Braille happily on the MacVisionaries list so perhaps there is some expertise you can tap into there to get support. Apart from that I

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-12 Thread Barry Hadder
Well, as I don’t use braille, I will not comment to much on that except just to say that I think it’s a little odd to seemingly not egknolege the significance of an off the shelf system with braille support out of the box and not find away to make good use of it. With that said, there are

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-12 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Way to go. Let it all out! :) And to others: send Apple your feedback! Those bugs will not fix themselves, you know—Apple have to know about them first. Tomorrow is Friday. Shall we start a report-an-accessibility-bug-Friday tradition? Now, for my feelings on the matter: I would argue that

quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-11 Thread William Windels
Hello, I am writing to you since the progress of the accessibility features are really pour in the last releases of osx 10.10.2. The mac is still missing some important features against windows with a commercial screenreader, and this after more 6 years of voiceover as built-in screenreader.

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-11 Thread William Windels
Of course, this is done also but any support or remark of you as voiceover-users is also very welcome Mvg william Windels Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 12-feb.-2015 om 06:30 heeft Faisal ali faisal.a...@icloud.com het volgende geschreven: I think that this kind of an email should be

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

2015-02-11 Thread Faisal ali
I think that this kind of an email should be directed toward apple accessibility as they can address some of your issues? On Feb 11, 2015, at 2:38 PM, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am writing to you since the progress of the accessibility features are really