Re: How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[Karen Lewellen]

My goodness!
Thanks for that read.
I am thinking how  helpful wireless charging  may be in emergency 
preparedness situations.
Although I may be missing something obvious, the article hints that the 
wireless  charging runs on radio waves?

As in electromagnetic spectrum?
A few years back we had an ice storm where the power was out for three 
days, much longer in some parts of the city.  Needless to say people tried 
charging products at their local Starbucks, but to prevent a strain  even 
that had to stop.
i still have, and will keep as long as possible, a land line phoneand 
a Sony walkman.  had I 
not,
 I would have been totally housebound, and without any information about 
what  was happening, in  December, on the top floor of a building with no 
heat.
I felt for people stuck with only cell phones, imagine what a difference 
wireless charging might make During flooding?

Kare



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, M. Taylor wrote:


CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone.

Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
is a real-world technology, too.
Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
mass-market consumer device.
So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
Apple might incorporate.
Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
"chee" -- and Powermat.
Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
"sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic.

The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
Manhattan Starbucks.
Sarah Tew/CNET
Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, and
McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at its
restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in some
Starbucks and airport lounges.
The rivals are backed by two opposing standards organizations, too: The
Wireless Power Consortium for Qi, and the AirFuel Alliance for Powermat. The
latter was formed when Powermat and its Power Matters Alliance merged with a
third, rival wireless standard (confusingly called the Alliance for Wireless
Power, or A4WP) in 2014.
The good news is that the rivalry has been less of a zero-sum game in recent
years. Samsung, for one, has made its recent high-end Galaxy phones
(including the S7 and S8) compatible with both inductive charging standards,
so you can juice it up on a Qi-powered counter at McDonald's and a
Powermat-powered one at Starbucks.
'True' wireless charging: Energous and Powercast
Forget about 4 centimeters. How about charging from a distance of 4 meters?
Or anywhere in an average-size room?
It's a pretty recent concept, but companies like Energous and Powercast are
producing technology that can more accurately be called wire-free. Both use
radio frequency (RF) energy, a charging method that works similarly to
Wi-Fi, that enables devices to charge when within the range of a power
transmitter.
Energous is 

RE: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Anders,

Beta software questions are not for this list.  

If you have beta software questions, you may request that list members contact 
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of the post.

Thank you,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

Hi!
For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for you.
If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
voiceover will stay on the iphone.
I have reported this to apple.
I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport device 
which was possible in ios 10.
/A

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Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for you.
If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
voiceover will stay on the iphone.
I have reported this to apple.
I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport device 
which was possible in ios 10.
/A

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How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET

[M. Taylor]

CNET News - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 4:00 AM
How iPhone 8 could change the wireless charging landscape - CNET
As we approach the expected September iPhone event, the gadget world is
abuzz with questions: Will there be two new iPhones or three? How much will
the presumed high-end OLED model cost? Will facial recognition fully replace
Touch ID, or merely be an alternative? And: will the iPhone finally get
wireless charging?
But that last one is a loaded question because "wireless" charging is in the
eye of the beholder.
Sure, you can place a Samsung Galaxy and many other Android phones onto a
charging pad without having to plug the phone into any charging cable. And
those same pads are increasingly built into countertops at coffee shops,
burger joints and even furniture you can buy at Ikea. But those pads still
need to be plugged into a wall outlet. The wire is still there, it's just
not attached directly to the phone. 
 
Some current iPhone battery cases, like Mophie's Juice Pack, include
wireless charging compatibility.
Sarah Tew/CNET 
That's a roundabout way of saying "wireless charging" is basically a
misnomer. Except when it isn't: "True" wireless charging -- in which
batteries get juiced up at distances measured in meters, not centimeters --
is a real-world technology, too. 
Wireless charging over a distance could be the real tech game changer,
allowing us to juice up our phones as soon as we walk into a room. The
technology is also a boon to the ever-increasing number of smart devices in
our lives, from portable speakers to hearing aids. It just needs to get over
the pesky questions over whether it's safe -- and actually show up in a
mass-market consumer device. 
So, before we posit the question as to whether the next iPhones will include
wireless charging, let's start by untangling the different technologies that
Apple might incorporate.  
Inductive charging: Qi vs. Powermat
Widely used for years in cordless electric toothbrushes, inductive charging
is the most common technology employed in most of today's "wireless"
charging devices and accessories. There are two major standards in the
space: Qi -- named for a Chinese word that means energy and is pronounced
"chee" -- and Powermat. 
Both standards are also working to incorporate magnetic resonance
technology, which could charge over distances of up to 4 centimeters. That
would, for instance, mean that aligning your phone to the charging pad
"sweet spot" would be less of a hit-and-miss affair, or that the charging
pads could be hidden behind thin layers of wood or plastic. 
 
The Samsung Galaxy S8 recharging on a Powermat inductive charger at a
Manhattan Starbucks.
Sarah Tew/CNET 
Qi has been incorporated into phones from a variety of manufacturers, and
McDonald's has built Qi-compatible chargers into the furniture at its
restaurants. Powermat-infused tables, meanwhile, can be found in some
Starbucks and airport lounges. 
The rivals are backed by two opposing standards organizations, too: The
Wireless Power Consortium for Qi, and the AirFuel Alliance for Powermat. The
latter was formed when Powermat and its Power Matters Alliance merged with a
third, rival wireless standard (confusingly called the Alliance for Wireless
Power, or A4WP) in 2014. 
The good news is that the rivalry has been less of a zero-sum game in recent
years. Samsung, for one, has made its recent high-end Galaxy phones
(including the S7 and S8) compatible with both inductive charging standards,
so you can juice it up on a Qi-powered counter at McDonald's and a
Powermat-powered one at Starbucks.
'True' wireless charging: Energous and Powercast
Forget about 4 centimeters. How about charging from a distance of 4 meters?
Or anywhere in an average-size room?
It's a pretty recent concept, but companies like Energous and Powercast are
producing technology that can more accurately be called wire-free. Both use
radio frequency (RF) energy, a charging method that works similarly to
Wi-Fi, that enables devices to charge when within the range of a power
transmitter.
Energous is the developer of WattUp, the wire-free technology that the
company claims is capable of charging anything from a mobile device to
various wearables like a hearing aid when located up to 15 feet (about 4.5
meters) from the transmitter. The first wire-free transmitter is expected to
hit the market before the end of the year, according to CEO Stephen R.
Rizzone. 
"Besides mobility, the idea of charging at a distance is very, very
important to IoT devices," said Rizzone. "Now what's happened, is that you
no longer have to run a cable to them, nor do you have to have a large
battery, that either has to be replaced or somehow recharged. You can have a
much smaller battery because you're continually getting power from these
transmitters." 
 
Powercast demonstrated its distance-charging tech in New York City earlier
this summer.
Brianne Garrett/CNET 
But there's a common concern: is it safe? The Federal Communications

Sarahah: Four things you should know about popular app , USA TODAY

[M. Taylor]

Sarahah: Four things you should know about popular app 
By Brett Molina, USA Today

With 4 million downloads and 15 million users, the app has a strong user
base. Time The current top app on Apple's mobile marketplace isn't Facebook
or Snapchat, but a new social media app called Sarahah . The app created by
Saudi developer ZainAlabdin Tawfiq allows users to receive anonymous
comments. According to a description of Sarahah , the app "helps you in
discovering your strengths and areas for improvement by receiving honest
feedback from your employees and your friends in a private manner. A
screenshot of the social networking app Sarahah. (Photo: Sarahah) Sarahah
has been the top app on Apple's App Store since July 17, says app research
firm App Annie, and has been the iPhone's top app by downloads in 25
countries. So, why is Sarahah so popular? Here are four'things you should
know about it: The core of Sarahah is the ability to leave "constructive
feedback" to users. You can find people by using the app's search feature.
If you prefer reading comments from anyone, it's set by default in the app.
But you can limit this to only people who have a Sarahah account. Users can
also remove themselves from search and choose to to share a web link
(example: username.sarahah.com) with the people they want to receive
anonymous messages. The app logs comments you have received, sent and
favorited. That's the closest you get to a "follow" option if you want to
continue sending feedback to a user. Currently, there's no way to respond to
a message, but according to Sarahah's website, they are "studying this
option. Sarahah follows a long line of social networking apps allowing its
users to leave anonymous comments or ask anonymous questions. In some cases,
users might share a screenshot of the message or question on another
service'like Twitter and Snapchat, then leave an answer. Here's where the
anonymity of Sarahah becomes not so fun: people can sometimes be mean.
Several reviews on Apple's App Store cite a lot of the bad comments as
reason for giving Sarahah a weak rating. As one reviewer on the App Store
puts it, with a review titled Accessory to Cyber Bullying: "What did you
think was gonna happen if you let people text other people anonymously?
Follow Brett Molina on Twitter: @brettmolina23 . 

Original Article at:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/08/09/sarahah-four-thin
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Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are useless: USA Today

[M. Taylor]

Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are
useless
By Ashley May

USA TODAY Cybersecurity experts say certain password rules are ineffective.
Here is some of the latest advice on setting and resetting them. Time The
man who said use capital letters, special characters and numbers in your
password is now taking back that advice. (Photo: hanieriani, Getty
Images/iStockphoto) The man behind the 2003 report responsible for many
current password guidelines says the advice is wrong. Bill Burr, the author
of an 8-page publication released by the National Institute of Standards and
Technology, told The Wall Street Journal his previous advice of creating
passwords with special characters, mixed-case letters and numbers won't
deter hackers. In fact, he told the journal,'the paper wasn't based on any
real-world password data, but rather a paper written in the 1980s. 'Much of
what I did I now regret,' Burr told The Wall Street Journal . The problem is
that federal agencies, businesses and institutions took the paper
seriously'very seriously. The report turned into password protocol. Today,
even though Burr's report was updated in June, we are still prompted to
change our password every 90 days using at least one capital letter, symbol
and number. These combinations aren't secure,'mainly because people choose
predictable combinations. The advice about frequently changing a password
has been criticized since the report. A 2010 study by the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill showed that updating passwords often can
actually help hackers identify a pattern. Another study from Carleton
University said frequent changes are more inconvenient than helpful. The
better solution could be to simply use a password with four random words,
because the number of letters can be more difficult to hack than a small
combination of letters and special characters, the Journal reports. Finally,
a good reason to ignore those password prompts and come up with one we can
actually remember. Follow Ashley May on Twitter: @AshleyMayTweets 

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Re: Remapping modifier key for VMware Fusion

[Sharon Hooley]

Here’s what I used for Instructions:

https://www.marcozehe.de/2015/06/07/how-to-map-your-macs-capslock-key-to-a-nvda-or-jaws-key-in-a-windows-virtual-machine/

Hth,

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 3:50 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I please need assistance to remap The keyboard for a jaws modify a key. I 
> have Windows 10 installed as a virtual machine using VMware. 
> Can someone please give me step-by-step instructions or if there is a guide  
> somewhere out there, please provide me with a link.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Nickus
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RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[David & his pack of dogs]

Simon, I remember a guide dog trainer at one of the N Y schools admitted to 
taking the blind fold off when he got scared because he could not see anything. 
Another trainer from another guide dog school  said she had a hard time driving 
home after taking the blind fold or night shade as they call it off, because 
her brain was now flooded with information and was basically, overloaded. 
Whether the sighted wearing a blind fold helps or not I cannot say.  What I can 
say is, a sighted person told me loosing her sight terrifies her. As you said, 
the sighted can take off a blind fold and regain their sight, we cannot regain 
our sight. 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 9, 2017 7:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

So we go back to what I said earlier. We share the same universe, so we 
just learn to co-exist. Its a simple concept for the most part.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/9/2017 1:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Just to add to this,
>
>  Handing a sighted person a blindfold to let them experience what being blind 
> is like is fine and lets them wear a blindfold and walk in to stuff. However 
> they take the blind fold off and what they just did disappears from their 
> memorys.
>
> I can't get my sighted work colleagues of which there are 12 immediate  to 
> use voiceover or jaws for windows machines.
>
>  Yet if they want assistance with a mac or IOS issue they can't figure 
> out I'm the one that gets the call.
>
>  Wearing a blind fold is crap as they can take it off It might make 
> the warer feel good about themselves but they can't understand the real life 
> changes that may need to be made to live without sight.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
> CNET
>
> Kawal,
> That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then?
> It does not work.
>
> You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and 
> he has absolutely no idea what the sighted world is like. All that matters to 
> him is that he knows how to co-exist in it.
>
> Like you said the other day... A single tap for "them" is a double tap 
> for us. What more do you want?
>
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/7/2017 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> One thing I will say about this, we have been talking from all prospectives 
>> about using the I phone etc.
>>
>> As many of you know, I work and serve the blind community in my professional 
>> capacity.  There is a project called Online today, and they go in to 
>> people's homes and teach people how to use access Technology.  The 
>> organisation that I work for are in the business of trying to rebuild 
>> people's lives again.  So it's not always about blind users needing to 
>> understand the sighted world.  Sometimes it's about the sighted needing to 
>> know how to live in the blind world.
>>
>> I don't think people have any right to assume that I have been missing 
>> something on the use of these devices but rather that I wanted to know both 
>> sides of the coin.  If I had time i would install the beta but as it is, I 
>> don't and only have time on and off to read the e-mails on this list due to 
>> my work load.  I can go without weeks reading e-mails and most of the time I 
>> end up deleting a lot of stuff just to keep up with what's is going on.
>> Some times I wonder what is the point of me being on this list but I try to 
>> keep up as much as possible.  I have every intention of getting the next I 
>> phone 8.  I don't often read manuals but play with devices and learn that 
>> way as I am rather more of a hands on person and only read manuals as a last 
>> resort.  I'd much rather hear a demo of how the device was being used.  Some 
>> of you will remember me using the Window phones and I never read the 
>> manuals, it was listening to podcasts that helped me get to know the devices 
>> so well.
>>
>> At least I have read your comments and thanks for those.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 17:50, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted 
>>> do 

Re: Strange issue.

[Nickus de Vos]

Yes, this happens if both numbers are selected in FaceTime settings on either 
one or both of the phones. You must make sure that only The number Belonging to 
the phone is selected on it and also as said previously, turn off allow calls 
from other devices in the phone settings. While you are at it, also do the same 
in the iMessage settings.

Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 09 Aug 2017, at 19:06, Jim Noseworthy  
> wrote:
> 
> Tim:
> 
> Thanks all over the place.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Strange issue.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like your client has enabled the "Calls from other Devices" 
> feature.  That can be modified in the Phone pane of Settings.  Also, they may 
> wish to check some of the settings within the FaceTime pane of Settings.  I 
> would turn off any connections on the work device that may be forwarded from 
> the personal device first.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:41, Jim Noseworthy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Gang:
> 
> I have a client who has a work iPhone and one for personal use.  Both are 
> using the same iCloud account.  When anyone calls either phone number, both 
> phones ring and the call can be answered from either of the two phones.
> 
> Where is a setting that would disable/enable this?
> 
> Thanks all over the place gang.
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RE: Strange issue.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Tim:

Thanks all over the place.



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On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange issue.

Hi,

It sounds like your client has enabled the "Calls from other Devices" feature.  
That can be modified in the Phone pane of Settings.  Also, they may wish to 
check some of the settings within the FaceTime pane of Settings.  I would turn 
off any connections on the work device that may be forwarded from the personal 
device first.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:41, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

Hey Gang:

I have a client who has a work iPhone and one for personal use.  Both are using 
the same iCloud account.  When anyone calls either phone number, both phones 
ring and the call can be answered from either of the two phones.

Where is a setting that would disable/enable this?

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Re: How to open Bookmarked Websites

[E.T.]

   VO-space.

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On 8/9/2017 8:54 AM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I’m trying to open a website that has been bookmarked.  How do I do that with 
latest version of safari on a Mac Book Air?  The “open” commands don’t seem to 
work.

Thanks,



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Re: Strange issue.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds like your client has enabled the "Calls from other Devices" feature.  
That can be modified in the Phone pane of Settings.  Also, they may wish to 
check some of the settings within the FaceTime pane of Settings.  I would turn 
off any connections on the work device that may be forwarded from the personal 
device first.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:41, Jim Noseworthy  
wrote:

Hey Gang:

I have a client who has a work iPhone and one for personal use.  Both are using 
the same iCloud account.  When anyone calls either phone number, both phones 
ring and the call can be answered from either of the two phones.

Where is a setting that would disable/enable this?

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How to open Bookmarked Websites

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

I’m trying to open a website that has been bookmarked.  How do I do that with 
latest version of safari on a Mac Book Air?  The “open” commands don’t seem to 
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Strange issue.

[Jim Noseworthy]

Hey Gang:

I have a client who has a work iPhone and one for personal use.  Both are using 
the same iCloud account.  When anyone calls either phone number, both phones 
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Where is a setting that would disable/enable this?

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Re: Mac Mail threads stop expanding

[Brian Fischler]

A quick fix for this is to turn VO off than hit the left and right arrows three 
or four times and turn VO back on and it will work again. Frustrating but this 
is a quick fix.
> On Aug 6, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I also have this happen from time to time. I fine that if I press the left 
> and right arrows together to turn quicknav off or on then I can expand or 
> collapse the thread with the left or right arrows instead of using VO space.
> 
> Gabe
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent!  Thank you!  It doesn’t seem to be fixing the ability to use the 
>> arrow keys but at least I can open the threads without restarting.
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Brandon A. Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There's always a really easy fix I'm able to use when it does this. If you 
>>> interact with the thread itself, and use VO-right a few times, it'll say 
>>> “ message conversation, collapsed”. If you VO-space on that, it'll 
>>> expand. Just stop interacting before moving down into the thread. It's 
>>> worked for me every time.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
 On Aug 5, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
 wrote:
 
 This happens every so often and I have yet to detect a pattern.  I become 
 unable to expand collapsed message threads in Mail.  I try quitting Mail 
 and Voiceover and restarting but that usually doesn’t work. As a last 
 resort I will restart the Mac.  That’s not quite the pain it would be in 
 Windows, but I’d still rather not do that.  Any suggestions for easier 
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Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Scott Granados]

E.T. you are the man.

I’m going to try this out right now.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 10:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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> sudo nvram BootAudio=%01

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Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[E.T.]

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01

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On 8/9/2017 5:55 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Definitely disabled, not just on mine but all the new models we use at work.


On Aug 9, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

You sure this chime has been disabled or is it just it has been muted on your 
machine.

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Who’s dumb idea was it to disable the chime anyway.  I mean that’s Apple’s 
thing, their trademark, I mean really they always had an interesting startup 
sound starting from the Apple 2 on up.  I’m going to try to figure this out now 
that I know a solution exists.


On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on newer 
max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a command on 
YouTube.


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of laptops 
doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply power but no 
more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t removed.


On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:

The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a chime 
when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds off. A 
long wait to find out if it actually turned on.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to power 
and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s pretty good 
no?



On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the screen.

On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a sound. 
I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Hello,
I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a way for 
me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into power or my 
macbook.
Is there any way that
I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s not 
plugged into power?
Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had some fun 
with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.

Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is connected, 
like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, but as long as you 
have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can enable this feature.  I use it 
and like it a lot as I can know for sure that my cable has initiated the 
charging cycle audibly.  Instructions below:

To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro &
MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source
Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/ Enter
the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll want to fit 
the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t matter if it wraps):
defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool
true; open /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &

Hit Return
Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime This will
enable the feature through the defaults command string and simultaneously 
launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app must be running in order 
for the power chime sound effect to trigger.

Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector from 
the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the familiar 
power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and iPad devices.

You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way it 
sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the following 
command to play the power 

Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[E.T.]

   So we go back to what I said earlier. We share the same universe, so 
we just learn to co-exist. Its a simple concept for the most part.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/9/2017 1:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Just to add to this,

 Handing a sighted person a blindfold to let them experience what being blind 
is like is fine and lets them wear a blindfold and walk in to stuff. However 
they take the blind fold off and what they just did disappears from their 
memorys.

I can't get my sighted work colleagues of which there are 12 immediate  to use 
voiceover or jaws for windows machines.

 Yet if they want assistance with a mac or IOS issue they can't figure out
I'm the one that gets the call.

 Wearing a blind fold is crap as they can take it off
It might make the warer feel good about themselves but they can't understand 
the real life changes that may need to be made to live without sight.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Kawal,
That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then?
It does not work.

You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and 
he has absolutely no idea what the sighted world is like. All that matters to 
him is that he knows how to co-exist in it.

Like you said the other day... A single tap for "them" is a double tap for 
us. What more do you want?


 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/7/2017 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

One thing I will say about this, we have been talking from all prospectives 
about using the I phone etc.

As many of you know, I work and serve the blind community in my professional 
capacity.  There is a project called Online today, and they go in to people's 
homes and teach people how to use access Technology.  The organisation that I 
work for are in the business of trying to rebuild people's lives again.  So 
it's not always about blind users needing to understand the sighted world.  
Sometimes it's about the sighted needing to know how to live in the blind world.

I don't think people have any right to assume that I have been missing 
something on the use of these devices but rather that I wanted to know both 
sides of the coin.  If I had time i would install the beta but as it is, I 
don't and only have time on and off to read the e-mails on this list due to my 
work load.  I can go without weeks reading e-mails and most of the time I end 
up deleting a lot of stuff just to keep up with what's is going on.
Some times I wonder what is the point of me being on this list but I try to 
keep up as much as possible.  I have every intention of getting the next I 
phone 8.  I don't often read manuals but play with devices and learn that way 
as I am rather more of a hands on person and only read manuals as a last 
resort.  I'd much rather hear a demo of how the device was being used.  Some of 
you will remember me using the Window phones and I never read the manuals, it 
was listening to podcasts that helped me get to know the devices so well.

At least I have read your comments and thanks for those.

Kawal.

On 7 Aug 2017, at 17:50, gary-melconian  wrote:



Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted do 
things the better we are in competing in their competitive world.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 9:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and I 
totally disagree with you.

These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference 
between our use cases and the sited community.  Apple doesn’t view us as a 
totally different group.  We’re not shielded from the visual in their design.  
As you know the IOS or OS X usage model gives we blind users a better idea of 
what’s physically on the screen, object placement and the GUI in general.  
Unlike a JFW where the screens are totally repackaged in to a more list form 
interface Voice Over sticks more to the actual screen format and doesn’t shield 
me from items that many screen readers do.
Next, I don’t live in a vacuum of only blind people.  

Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[E.T.]

   Now that is an act of insanity.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/8/2017 11:13 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of laptops 
doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply power but no 
more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t removed.


On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a chime 
when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds off. A 
long wait to find out if it actually turned on.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to power 
and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s pretty good 
no?



On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the screen.

On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a sound. 
I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Hello,
I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a way for 
me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into power or my 
macbook.
Is there any way that
I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s not 
plugged into power?
Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had some fun 
with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.

Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is connected, 
like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, but as long as you 
have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can enable this feature.  I use it 
and like it a lot as I can know for sure that my cable has initiated the 
charging cycle audibly.  Instructions below:

To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & MacBook Air
Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source
Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/
Enter the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll want 
to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t matter if it 
wraps):
defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true; open 
/System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &

Hit Return
Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime
This will enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app must be 
running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.

Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector from 
the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the familiar 
power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and iPad devices.

You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way it 
sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the following 
command to play the power chime sound effect:

afplay 
/System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/connect_power.aif

To disable the Chime Sound Effect on Power Cable Connect in Mac OS X
You can also turn off the power chime sound effect when you connect a power 
cable to a Mac by issuing a different defaults command string within the OS X 
Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool false;killall 
PowerChime

This will disable the sound effect when connecting a power cable on the MacBook 
Air, MacBook Pro, and yes, it will also disable the power chime sound effect on 
the MacBook line as well.

Many new MacBook owners have noticed this little feature, but the source of the 
audio was uncovered by @zwaldowski, who reports that some Macs will even have a 
vibrating trackpad with this feature enabled (a new Retina MacBook Pro does not 
offer that aspect).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Scott Granados]

Definitely disabled, not just on mine but all the new models we use at work.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You sure this chime has been disabled or is it just it has been muted on your 
> machine.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 6:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?
> 
> Who’s dumb idea was it to disable the chime anyway.  I mean that’s Apple’s 
> thing, their trademark, I mean really they always had an interesting startup 
> sound starting from the Apple 2 on up.  I’m going to try to figure this out 
> now that I know a solution exists.
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on newer 
>> max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a command on 
>> YouTube.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of 
>>> laptops doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply 
>>> power but no more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t 
>>> removed.
>>> 
 On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
 chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds 
 off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
 all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
 off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to 
> power and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s 
> pretty good no?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really 
>> be helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on 
>> the screen.
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
>>> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a 
 way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged 
 into power or my macbook.
 Is there any way that
 I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if 
 it’s not plugged into power?
 Peace,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had 
> some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
> 
> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
> connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do 
> this, but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you 
> can enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know 
> for sure that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  
> Instructions below:
> 
> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & 
> MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source 
> Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/ Enter 
> the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll 
> want to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t 
> matter if it wraps):
> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool 
> true; open /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
> 
> Hit Return
> Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime This will 
> enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
> simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app 
> must be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
> 
> Now 

RE: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks I'd like to know,

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Harry Bell
Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 9:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

It won't arrive till Monday, so I'll report later. 

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 10:37, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Great, have they updated it at all in the passed couple of years?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Bell
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 8:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards
> 
> Rii mini Bluetooth keyboard is still sold by Amazon - I've just bought 
> one! Harry in UK
> 
>> On 9 Aug 2017, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> There use to be a BT keyboard called the Mini RII Bluetooth keyboard, 
>> It's about the size of the iPhone 4 / 5 phones I have one but haven't 
>> used it in a while, must get it out and try it with IOS 11 But it's 
>> probably exactly the thing your looking for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Talking of bluetooth keyboards.
>> I would like to find a very very small keyboard that can fit in a pocket.
>> I have one from Deltaco but since version 9 of Ios it does not work properly.
>> Its extreemly small so it fits in my hand.
>> But the buttons are big enough for my fingers.
>> It can be a bit trycky to use but infact that it is so small an fits into my 
>> jeans pocket makes me want to find a similar device.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 7 aug. 2017 kl. 03:42 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>>> 
>>> It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on 
>>> there it only pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My 
>>> Logitech pairs to 3 devices, and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick 
>>> to it.  JMO
 On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, 
 but can pair to up to five devices at once.
 HTH,
 Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
> size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but 
> may as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Remapping modifier key for VMware Fusion

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
I please need assistance to remap The keyboard for a jaws modify a key. I have 
Windows 10 installed as a virtual machine using VMware. 
Can someone please give me step-by-step instructions or if there is a guide  
somewhere out there, please provide me with a link.

Thank you

Nickus

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Harry Bell]

It won't arrive till Monday, so I'll report later. 

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 10:37, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Great, have they updated it at all in the passed couple of years?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Bell
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 8:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards
> 
> Rii mini Bluetooth keyboard is still sold by Amazon - I've just bought one! 
> Harry in UK 
> 
>> On 9 Aug 2017, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> There use to be a BT keyboard called the Mini RII Bluetooth keyboard, 
>> It's about the size of the iPhone 4 / 5 phones I have one but haven't 
>> used it in a while, must get it out and try it with IOS 11 But it's 
>> probably exactly the thing your looking for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Talking of bluetooth keyboards.
>> I would like to find a very very small keyboard that can fit in a pocket.
>> I have one from Deltaco but since version 9 of Ios it does not work properly.
>> Its extreemly small so it fits in my hand.
>> But the buttons are big enough for my fingers.
>> It can be a bit trycky to use but infact that it is so small an fits into my 
>> jeans pocket makes me want to find a similar device.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 7 aug. 2017 kl. 03:42 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>>> 
>>> It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on 
>>> there it only pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My 
>>> Logitech pairs to 3 devices, and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to 
>>> it.  JMO
 On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, 
 but can pair to up to five devices at once.
 HTH,
 Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
> size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but 
> may as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
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> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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RE: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Simon Fogarty]

Great, have they updated it at all in the passed couple of years?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Harry Bell
Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 8:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

Rii mini Bluetooth keyboard is still sold by Amazon - I've just bought one! 
Harry in UK 

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> There use to be a BT keyboard called the Mini RII Bluetooth keyboard, 
> It's about the size of the iPhone 4 / 5 phones I have one but haven't 
> used it in a while, must get it out and try it with IOS 11 But it's 
> probably exactly the thing your looking for.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards
> 
> Hi!
> Talking of bluetooth keyboards.
> I would like to find a very very small keyboard that can fit in a pocket.
> I have one from Deltaco but since version 9 of Ios it does not work properly.
> Its extreemly small so it fits in my hand.
> But the buttons are big enough for my fingers.
> It can be a bit trycky to use but infact that it is so small an fits into my 
> jeans pocket makes me want to find a similar device.
> /A
> 
>> 7 aug. 2017 kl. 03:42 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>> 
>> It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on 
>> there it only pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My 
>> Logitech pairs to 3 devices, and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to 
>> it.  JMO
>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, 
>>> but can pair to up to five devices at once.
>>> HTH,
>>> Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
 Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
 size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but 
 may as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
 
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RE: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Simon Fogarty]

You sure this chime has been disabled or is it just it has been muted on your 
machine.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 6:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

Who’s dumb idea was it to disable the chime anyway.  I mean that’s Apple’s 
thing, their trademark, I mean really they always had an interesting startup 
sound starting from the Apple 2 on up.  I’m going to try to figure this out now 
that I know a solution exists.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on newer 
> max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a command on 
> YouTube.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of laptops 
>> doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply power but no 
>> more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t removed.
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
>>> chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds 
>>> off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to 
 power and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s 
 pretty good no?
 
 
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
> helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the 
> screen.
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
>> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a 
>>> way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into 
>>> power or my macbook.
>>> Is there any way that
>>> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s 
>>> not plugged into power?
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had 
 some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
 
 Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
 connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, 
 but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can 
 enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know for 
 sure that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  
 Instructions below:
 
 To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & 
 MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source 
 Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/ Enter 
 the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll 
 want to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t 
 matter if it wraps):
 defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool 
 true; open /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
 
 Hit Return
 Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime This will 
 enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
 simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app 
 must be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
 
 Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power 
 connector from the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. 
 You’ll hear the familiar power connected / charging sound effect from 
 your iPhone and iPad devices.
 
 You can 

Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Oriol Gómez]

I think Aple might be moving away from power sounds, given that te
newest macbook pros don't make a sound when powering on anymore..

On 8/9/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Yes this is a good idea,
>  Other devices do so might be worth while making this suggestion.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 2:18 PM
> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?
>
> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be
> helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the
> screen.
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a
>> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a
>>> way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into
>>> power or my macbook.
>>> Is there any way that
>>> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s
>>> not plugged into power?
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>>
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>>
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

 Hi,

 Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had
 some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.

 Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is
 connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this,
 but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can
 enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know for sure
 that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  Instructions
 below:

 To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro &
 MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source Open
 the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/ Enter the
 following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll want to
 fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t matter if it
 wraps):
 defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true;
 open /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &

 Hit Return
 Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime This will
 enable the feature through the defaults command string and
 simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app
 must be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.

 Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector
 from the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the
 familiar power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and
 iPad devices.

 You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way
 it sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the
 following command to play the power chime sound effect:

 afplay
 /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/conne
 ct_power.aif

 To disable the Chime Sound Effect on Power Cable Connect in Mac OS X
 You can also turn off the power chime sound effect when you connect a
 power cable to a Mac by issuing a different defaults command string
 within the OS X Terminal:

 defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool
 false;killall PowerChime

 This will disable the sound effect when connecting a power cable on the
 MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and yes, it will also disable the power chime
 sound effect on the MacBook line as well.

 Many new MacBook owners have noticed this little feature, but the source
 of the audio was uncovered by @zwaldowski, who reports that some Macs
 will even have a vibrating trackpad with this feature enabled (a new
 Retina MacBook Pro does not offer that aspect).

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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RE: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes this is a good idea,
 Other devices do so might be worth while making this suggestion.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2017 2:18 PM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the screen.
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a way 
>> for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into power or 
>> my macbook.
>> Is there any way that
>> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s not 
>> plugged into power?
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had some 
>>> fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
>>> 
>>> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is connected, 
>>> like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, but as long as 
>>> you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can enable this feature.  
>>> I use it and like it a lot as I can know for sure that my cable has 
>>> initiated the charging cycle audibly.  Instructions below:
>>> 
>>> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & 
>>> MacBook Air Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source Open 
>>> the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/ Enter the 
>>> following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as you’ll want to fit 
>>> the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t matter if it wraps):
>>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true; 
>>> open /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
>>> 
>>> Hit Return
>>> Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime This will 
>>> enable the feature through the defaults command string and simultaneously 
>>> launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app must be running in 
>>> order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
>>> 
>>> Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector 
>>> from the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the 
>>> familiar power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and iPad 
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way it 
>>> sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the 
>>> following command to play the power chime sound effect:
>>> 
>>> afplay 
>>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/conne
>>> ct_power.aif
>>> 
>>> To disable the Chime Sound Effect on Power Cable Connect in Mac OS X 
>>> You can also turn off the power chime sound effect when you connect a power 
>>> cable to a Mac by issuing a different defaults command string within the OS 
>>> X Terminal:
>>> 
>>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool 
>>> false;killall PowerChime
>>> 
>>> This will disable the sound effect when connecting a power cable on the 
>>> MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and yes, it will also disable the power chime 
>>> sound effect on the MacBook line as well.
>>> 
>>> Many new MacBook owners have noticed this little feature, but the source of 
>>> the audio was uncovered by @zwaldowski, who reports that some Macs will 
>>> even have a vibrating trackpad with this feature enabled (a new Retina 
>>> MacBook Pro does not offer that aspect).
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
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RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Vaughan,

 Not if your using the IOS 11 beta,
However I did find that if you can use a Bluetooth keyboard and get in to the 
edit mode on the apps with your finger as you would normally then double tap on 
the space bar of the Keyboard I managed to get the delete option to happen 

 So it is still there just notb visible to the voiceover system. -Original 
Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Hi,

I am trying to delete apps from my iPhone. The old tapping pattern doesn't seem 
to work any more.
Tahnk you for deconfusing me... LOL
Vaughn

On 8/7/17, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> The Screen Curtain will be a feature for sighted people while driving a car.
> The apple car system with siri. Can be turned off of course.
>
> Take care
>
>
>> Den 7. aug. 2017 kl. 10.27 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>>
>> Or try changing the world so that everyone else has to do everything 
>> the blind way!
>>
>> I can't get my work colleagues to use jaws or voiceover on computers 
>> and in a lot of cases I can't get them to turn these products off 
>> instead they just mute the computers,
>>
>> If you think about what you are doing with the phone using voiceover, 
>> your actually not doing a lot differently to that of a sighted user.
>>
>> I have to teach or instruct sighted users how to use and or setup 
>> their phones or tablets be it an IOS device or android.
>>
>> Sometimes it takes a bit of work telling them what they have to find 
>> or should be seeing.
>> But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
>> CNET
>>
>>We share the univers with the sighted population. We are using 
>> mainstream devices. Instead of making noise about the lack of blind 
>> perspectives, appreciate the advancements coming our way and take 
>> comfort in knowing we will not be left behind. If you are 
>> apprehensive about the changes, do not yup0grade for a month or three 
>> and wait until we get the blind perspective on Applevis.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 8/6/2017 9:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things 
>>> with Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the 
>>> operating system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need 
>>> to keep up to date with what's going on but why is it always a 
>>> sighted prospective, as I will learn to do these things with voice 
>>> over as I simply can't use the I phone a sighted way.  I'll give you 
>>> an example.  Most recently when my father got his I phone, he asked 
>>> me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not understand 
>>> his question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand 
>>> what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the day 
>>> at work as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, 
>>> and thus if anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can 
>>> only explain it in the concept of voice over.  That is what I'm 
>>> trying to say, I am only able to concept the I phone with voice over 
>>> and I can't understand the sighted way.  I would if I had seen but I 
>>> have not and that is why when I read these articles, there is something 
>>> missing, my sight and the frustration begins from my side.
>>>
>>> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am 
>>> reading these articles not because I'm not interested, but because I 
>>> can't do it in the sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  
>>> I will read everything but the lack of sight is making me miss what 
>>> I need to do to use the phone in the way my sighted peers do use it.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Hello Kawal,

 First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like 
 you, I am a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS 
 and Mac OS via VoiceOver.

 Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep 
 everyone updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general 
 Apple technology news that, sighted or not, affects us all.

 Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will 
 continue to post 

RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Just to add to this,

 Handing a sighted person a blindfold to let them experience what being blind 
is like is fine and lets them wear a blindfold and walk in to stuff. However 
they take the blind fold off and what they just did disappears from their 
memorys.

I can't get my sighted work colleagues of which there are 12 immediate  to use 
voiceover or jaws for windows machines.

 Yet if they want assistance with a mac or IOS issue they can't figure out 
I'm the one that gets the call.

 Wearing a blind fold is crap as they can take it off 
It might make the warer feel good about themselves but they can't understand 
the real life changes that may need to be made to live without sight.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Kawal,
That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then? 
It does not work.

You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and 
he has absolutely no idea what the sighted world is like. All that matters to 
him is that he knows how to co-exist in it.

Like you said the other day... A single tap for "them" is a double tap for 
us. What more do you want?


 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/7/2017 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> One thing I will say about this, we have been talking from all prospectives 
> about using the I phone etc.
>
> As many of you know, I work and serve the blind community in my professional 
> capacity.  There is a project called Online today, and they go in to people's 
> homes and teach people how to use access Technology.  The organisation that I 
> work for are in the business of trying to rebuild people's lives again.  So 
> it's not always about blind users needing to understand the sighted world.  
> Sometimes it's about the sighted needing to know how to live in the blind 
> world.
>
> I don't think people have any right to assume that I have been missing 
> something on the use of these devices but rather that I wanted to know both 
> sides of the coin.  If I had time i would install the beta but as it is, I 
> don't and only have time on and off to read the e-mails on this list due to 
> my work load.  I can go without weeks reading e-mails and most of the time I 
> end up deleting a lot of stuff just to keep up with what's is going on.
> Some times I wonder what is the point of me being on this list but I try to 
> keep up as much as possible.  I have every intention of getting the next I 
> phone 8.  I don't often read manuals but play with devices and learn that way 
> as I am rather more of a hands on person and only read manuals as a last 
> resort.  I'd much rather hear a demo of how the device was being used.  Some 
> of you will remember me using the Window phones and I never read the manuals, 
> it was listening to podcasts that helped me get to know the devices so well.
>
> At least I have read your comments and thanks for those.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 7 Aug 2017, at 17:50, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted 
>> do things the better we are in competing in their competitive world.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 9:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>>
>> Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and 
>> I totally disagree with you.
>>
>> These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference 
>> between our use cases and the sited community.  Apple doesn’t view us as a 
>> totally different group.  We’re not shielded from the visual in their 
>> design.  As you know the IOS or OS X usage model gives we blind users a 
>> better idea of what’s physically on the screen, object placement and the GUI 
>> in general.  Unlike a JFW where the screens are totally repackaged in to a 
>> more list form interface Voice Over sticks more to the actual screen format 
>> and doesn’t shield me from items that many screen readers do.
>>  Next, I don’t live in a vacuum of only blind people.  I’m just as 
>> interested in one method of doing things as another as I have to support 
>> sited people.
>>
>> I think fragmenting us even further like that only serves to harm us as in 
>> all things, if you’re not interested use your delete key or build 
>> appropriate filters but I think a lot of us 

RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey scott,

What's a blind bubble?

Is that one where the bubble is blacked out so you can't see out or in?

 Kind of be cool if you could roll it down the street and bump into shit!



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 4:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Last time I checked, we live in a sited world.  That’s pretty much the answer 
to your sited perspective question.  I for one prefer this perspective because 
I do.not live in a blind bubble.

That’s me though, I know there’s a lot of different viewpoints out there.

> On Aug 6, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> What I'm trying to say in a nut shell, I want to do all these things with 
> Voice Over and if I knew how to do these new things before the operating 
> system came out, I'd be very happy.  I also know we need to keep up to date 
> with what's going on but why is it always a sighted prospective, as I will 
> learn to do these things with voice over as I simply can't use the I phone a 
> sighted way.  I'll give you an example.  Most recently when my father got his 
> I phone, he asked me something about zoom.  I said to him that I could not 
> understand his question because I did not use Zoom and could not understand 
> what he wanted to know.  I am around sighted people most of the day at work 
> as well as with my family as no one is a blind person there, and thus if 
> anyone wants to know anything about the phone, I can only explain it in the 
> concept of voice over.  That is what I'm trying to say, I am only able to 
> concept the I phone with voice over and I can't understand the sighted way.  
> I would if I had seen but I have not and that is why when I read these 
> articles, there is something missing, my sight and the frustration begins 
> from my side.
> 
> I hope all of you can understand what I'm trying to say, I am reading these 
> articles not because I'm not interested, but because I can't do it in the 
> sighted way and that is where my problems begin.  I will read everything but 
> the lack of sight is making me miss what I need to do to use the phone in the 
> way my sighted peers do use it.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 17:16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kawal,
>> 
>> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am 
>> a visually impaired iPhone user interacting with both iOS and Mac OS via 
>> VoiceOver.  
>> 
>> Second, the primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone 
>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology 
>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>> 
>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue to 
>> post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply 
>> delete/ignore them.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
>> CNET
>> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is 
>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a 
>> sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the 
>> phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using 
>> Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going to learn 
>> how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind 
>> users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted 
>> person did, then I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these 
>> articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many 
>> others will say other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a 
>> blind person using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight 
>> and can use the phone in the main stream kind of way.
>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
>> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
>> this.
>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as 
>> I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my 
>> I phone as a sighted person can.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 
>>> 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know 
>>> just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest 
>>> Apple has to offer to 

RE: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Erik,

 So where can the mini Bluetooth keyboard be purchased from and what was the 
more expensive board that was spoken of in the article?

It would be a great replacement if my mini RII bt keyboard doesn't work any 
more.

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On Behalf Of Erik Burggraaf
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

Hi Anders and all,

Inclusive android has lots of accessible keyboard reviews.

Heere is the latest IClever:
https://www.inclusiveandroid.com/content/iclever-bluetooth-keyboard

Here is another folding full sized keyboard with less features:
https://www.inclusiveandroid.com/content/esynic-trifold-aluminum-bluetooth-keyboard

Here is a poccket sized 40 key board:
https://www.inclusiveandroid.com/content/hde-mini-wireless-bluetooth-keyboard

I've used the esynic trifold and the hte pocket size on IOS and they work well. 
 The Iclev er I haven't tried myself, but it will work as well.

If you like them, pleasee cllick through our links so we can generate money to 
develop the site.

Thanks,

Erik


On August 7, 2017 8:31:08 AM Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Talking of bluetooth keyboards.
I would like to find a very very small keyboard that can fit in a pocket.
I have one from Deltaco but since version 9 of Ios it does not work properly.
Its extreemly small so it fits in my hand.
But the buttons are big enough for my fingers.
It can be a bit trycky to use but infact that it is so small an fits into my 
jeans pocket makes me want to find a similar device.
/A

> 7 aug. 2017 kl. 03:42 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>
> It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on there 
> it only pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My Logitech pairs 
> to 3 devices, and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to it.  JMO
>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about 
>> $100, but can pair to up to five devices at once.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
>>> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then 
>>> full size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric 
>>> keypad but may as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
>>>
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Harry Bell]

Rii mini Bluetooth keyboard is still sold by Amazon - I've just bought one! 
Harry in UK 

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 09:39, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> There use to be a BT keyboard called the Mini RII Bluetooth keyboard,
> It's about the size of the iPhone 4 / 5 phones  
> I have one but haven't used it in a while, must get it out and try it with 
> IOS 11 
> But it's probably exactly the thing your looking for.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards
> 
> Hi!
> Talking of bluetooth keyboards.
> I would like to find a very very small keyboard that can fit in a pocket.
> I have one from Deltaco but since version 9 of Ios it does not work properly.
> Its extreemly small so it fits in my hand.
> But the buttons are big enough for my fingers.
> It can be a bit trycky to use but infact that it is so small an fits into my 
> jeans pocket makes me want to find a similar device.
> /A
> 
>> 7 aug. 2017 kl. 03:42 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>> 
>> It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on there 
>> it only pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My Logitech pairs 
>> to 3 devices, and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to it.  JMO
>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, 
>>> but can pair to up to five devices at once.
>>> HTH,
>>> Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
 Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
 size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but 
 may as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
 
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RE: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Simon Fogarty]

There use to be a BT keyboard called the Mini RII Bluetooth keyboard,
 It's about the size of the iPhone 4 / 5 phones  
I have one but haven't used it in a while, must get it out and try it with IOS 
11 
 But it's probably exactly the thing your looking for.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 12:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

Hi!
Talking of bluetooth keyboards.
I would like to find a very very small keyboard that can fit in a pocket.
I have one from Deltaco but since version 9 of Ios it does not work properly.
Its extreemly small so it fits in my hand.
But the buttons are big enough for my fingers.
It can be a bit trycky to use but infact that it is so small an fits into my 
jeans pocket makes me want to find a similar device.
/A

> 7 aug. 2017 kl. 03:42 skrev Kliphton Miller :
> 
> It actually costs about 114 from amazon at least, and it says on there 
> it only pairs to 4 devices.  I hate keypads though.  My Logitech pairs 
> to 3 devices, and is only 80 bucks, so I will stick to it.  JMO
>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Look at the Mattias bluetooth keyboard sold by A T Guys. It’s about $100, 
>> but can pair to up to five devices at once.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha On Aug 6, 2017, at 5:12 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
>>> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full 
>>> size. I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may 
>>> as well consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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RE: Bluetooth Keyboards

[Simon Fogarty]

yeah it is but it's now the apple magic BT keyboard,
 this is the smaller of the 2 keyboards,

 both a better keyboard and uses the same power / charging that the ipHone 
uses, that is a USB to lightening cable.

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On Behalf Of Harry Bell
Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 8:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards

Is the Apple Wi-fi BT keyboard still available? I couldn’t find it in the U.K. 
Apple store, only the expensive magic keyboards. 
Regards
Harry

> On 7 Aug 2017, at 09:34, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> The apple wifi bt keyboard.
> 
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> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 10:13 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Bluetooth Keyboards
> 
>What is a good Bluetooth keyboard with numeric keypad for iDevices? 
> Logitech perhaps? It does not need to be foldable, tiny, less then full size. 
> I was looking at the Apple Magic keyboard with numeric keypad but may as well 
> consider another brand like Logitech. Thanks.
> 
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RE: All-in-one printers/scanners

[Simon Fogarty]

I've never been much of an Epson fan but this email makes me think I'll have to 
re visit them.

I've been using a canon MG5300 which also has an IOS app which lets me scan 
print and upload docs 
Not a great app but it can be worked out if the user takes the time to figure 
out the buttons that only say button.

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On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Friday, 4 August 2017 1:15 AM
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Cc: peel-the-ap...@groups.io
Subject: Re: All-in-one printers/scanners

Hi I don't think you ever find a printer which is 100% accessible, as in all 
menus and settings on the device read out to you. However a lot of printers of 
very usable, i for example use a Epson L565 on a daily basis in my business.

I use it to print, copy, and scan without any issues. It works with the Mac and 
voice-over but also has a iOS app which is fully accessible. I can for example 
print straight from my phone over wifi, or insert a document and scan it 
straight to my phone then email it.

Another advantage of the specific line of Epson ink tank printers is that they 
are very economical to use, I spend more money on paper than what I do on Ink 
refills for it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 03 Aug 2017, at 14:23, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I know this question has been asked in the past, and I apologize for the 
> repeat. I need a printer/scanner that is accessible, and also works with abby 
> fine reader. Does anyone have any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Nancy
> 
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Re: Looktel Recognizer, what will we do?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Let's see, and hope they will do

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Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 4:48 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I think we will see many app developers have already fallen by the wayside.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> 
>> On 8/8/2017 7:24 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> Apple sent out emails to all app developers today informing them of the need 
>> to upgrade to 64 bit, so I suspect it is only a matter of time until apps 
>> are recompiled and ready for IOS 11.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 9:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ramy,
>>>  All 32bit apps will die when one upgrades to iOS 11. Best course of action 
>>> is for you to contact the developers of any such apps and inquire if they 
>>> plan to update those apps.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/8/2017 5:19 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hi all:
 
 I think from Ios11, the Looktel Recognizer will not work, this is what
 my Iphone told me. today.
 so, what are we going to do?
 will we send them emails or what?
 
 Thanks
 
 
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Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Scott Granados]

Who’s dumb idea was it to disable the chime anyway.  I mean that’s Apple’s 
thing, their trademark, I mean really they always had an interesting startup 
sound starting from the Apple 2 on up.  I’m going to try to figure this out now 
that I know a solution exists.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 2:26 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on newer 
> max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a command on 
> YouTube.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of laptops 
>> doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply power but no 
>> more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t removed.
>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
>>> chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds 
>>> off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to 
 power and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s 
 pretty good no?
 
 
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
> helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the 
> screen.
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
>> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a 
>>> way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into 
>>> power or my macbook.
>>> Is there any way that
>>> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s 
>>> not plugged into power?
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had 
 some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
 
 Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
 connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, 
 but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can 
 enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know for 
 sure that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  
 Instructions below:
 
 To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & 
 MacBook Air
 Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source
 Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/
 Enter the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as 
 you’ll want to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it 
 doesn’t matter if it wraps):
 defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true; 
 open /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
 
 Hit Return
 Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime
 This will enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
 simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app 
 must be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
 
 Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power 
 connector from the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. 
 You’ll hear the familiar power connected / charging sound effect from 
 your iPhone and iPad devices.
 
 You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way 
 it sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use 
 the following command to play the power chime sound effect:
 
 afplay 
 /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/connect_power.aif
 
 To 

Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Well apparently, there is a terminal command to get the chimes back on newer 
max. Unfortunately, I don’t know it. I just saw that there was a command on 
YouTube.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:13 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of laptops 
> doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply power but no 
> more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t removed.
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
>> chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds 
>> off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to 
>>> power and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s 
>>> pretty good no?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
 helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the 
 screen.
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
> sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a 
>> way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into 
>> power or my macbook.
>> Is there any way that
>> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s 
>> not plugged into power?
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had 
>>> some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
>>> 
>>> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
>>> connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, 
>>> but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can 
>>> enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know for sure 
>>> that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  Instructions 
>>> below:
>>> 
>>> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & MacBook 
>>> Air
>>> Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source
>>> Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/
>>> Enter the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as 
>>> you’ll want to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it 
>>> doesn’t matter if it wraps):
>>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true; open 
>>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
>>> 
>>> Hit Return
>>> Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime
>>> This will enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
>>> simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app 
>>> must be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
>>> 
>>> Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector 
>>> from the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the 
>>> familiar power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and 
>>> iPad devices.
>>> 
>>> You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way 
>>> it sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the 
>>> following command to play the power chime sound effect:
>>> 
>>> afplay 
>>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/connect_power.aif
>>> 
>>> To disable the Chime Sound Effect on Power Cable Connect in Mac OS X
>>> You can also turn off the power chime sound effect when you connect a 
>>> power cable to a Mac by issuing a different defaults command string 
>>> within the OS X Terminal:
>>> 
>>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool 
>>> false;killall PowerChime
>>> 
>>> This will disable the sound effect when connecting a power cable on the 

Re: sound when iPhone is starting up from power off?

[Scott Granados]

The Macs no longer have a chime on boot up, at least the new crop of laptops 
doesn’t.  You get the same beep the iPhone makes when you apply power but no 
more chime and frankly I miss the chime and wish it weren’t removed.

> On Aug 9, 2017, at 1:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   The missing element here is, unlike the Mac, the iPhone does not emit a 
> chime when its powered on. Its a lengthy wait until it boots and VO sounds 
> off. A long wait to find out if it actually turned on.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/8/2017 8:49 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> It does, it beeps when VO activates, it  beeps when you’re attached to power 
>> and you boot and it says shutting down when you power down. That’s pretty 
>> good no?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 10:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Join the club; I’ve always wished there were as well.  It would really be 
>>> helpful considering the fact that we can’t see the logo come up on the 
>>> screen.
 On Aug 7, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi Stacy. Unfortunately, there is no way to make the iPhone make such a 
 sound. I totally wish there wasn’t, but unfortunately there is not.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I use VO on my iPhone SE. On any iPhone I’ve used there’s never been a 
> way for me to tell when the iPhone is starting unless it’s plugged into 
> power or my macbook.
> Is there any way that
> I can make my phone make some sort of sound when its restarting if it’s 
> not plugged into power?
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Found this a couple of years ago, so some of you may already have had 
>> some fun with it.  Credit to OS X Daily for this.
>> 
>> Would you like your Mac to make a sound when the charge cable is 
>> connected, like your iOS device does?  Newer MacBooks already do this, 
>> but as long as you have 10.10.3 or higher and a Mac laptop, you can 
>> enable this feature.  I use it and like it a lot as I can know for sure 
>> that my cable has initiated the charging cycle audibly.  Instructions 
>> below:
>> 
>> To enable Playing a Power Chime Sound Effect on a MacBook Pro & MacBook 
>> Air
>> Disconnect the Mac from the MagSafe power source
>> Open the Terminal app, found in /Applications/Utilities/
>> Enter the following command syntax, be sure there are no breaks as 
>> you’ll want to fit the entire sequence onto a single line (no it doesn’t 
>> matter if it wraps):
>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool true; open 
>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app &
>> 
>> Hit Return
>> Re-connect the MacBook power supply to hear the chime
>> This will enable the feature through the defaults command string and 
>> simultaneously launch the PowerChime application, the latter tiny app 
>> must be running in order for the power chime sound effect to trigger.
>> 
>> Now you just have to disconnect your MagSafe (or USB-C) power connector 
>> from the Mac, wait a second or two, then reconnect it. You’ll hear the 
>> familiar power connected / charging sound effect from your iPhone and 
>> iPad devices.
>> 
>> You can also trigger the sound effect manually, maybe you like the way 
>> it sounds or you’re just curious what we’re talking about here. Use the 
>> following command to play the power chime sound effect:
>> 
>> afplay 
>> /System/Library/CoreServices/PowerChime.app/Contents/Resources/connect_power.aif
>> 
>> To disable the Chime Sound Effect on Power Cable Connect in Mac OS X
>> You can also turn off the power chime sound effect when you connect a 
>> power cable to a Mac by issuing a different defaults command string 
>> within the OS X Terminal:
>> 
>> defaults write com.apple.PowerChime ChimeOnAllHardware -bool 
>> false;killall PowerChime
>> 
>> This will disable the sound effect when connecting a power cable on the 
>> MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and yes, it will also disable the power chime 
>> sound effect on the MacBook line as well.
>> 
>> Many new MacBook owners have noticed this little feature, but the source 
>> of the audio was uncovered by @zwaldowski, who reports that some Macs 
>> will even have a vibrating trackpad with this feature enabled (a new