RE: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[george b]

donna

open the music app on your phone

in the lower right corner of the app the 5th tab across the bottom is my music 
double tap on this tab
now in the upper left corner of the screen below the status line is my account 
button, library button, and playlist button, double tap on library button
now flick with one finger across the screen to you hear category button with 
the selected defalt category name. if it is not artist then double tap on this 
button and double tap on artest.
Now you should have all your music listed by artest name in a list with the 
name of the artest and number of alblums and number of songs
To play all from that artest, flick up with one finger and you will hear play, 
more, and activate, double tap on play and it will start playing all from that 
artist.
If you do not get these choices when you flick up then do the rotor to you hear 
actions and then it will work.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 04:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
iPhone?

George,

there is no Music Button in the bottom right of the screen.  In the Bottom 
right of the screen is the Connect Tab.
Best,
Donna
> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:10 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Open music
> 
> Double tap onmy music in the bottom right corner of the screen
> Double tap on it says catagories and what is current like jondra button and 
> double tap on that and the in the list double tap on artest
> Now you will get a popluatted list of your artest in your music.
> Double tap on the aretst
> Then follow the prompt from there -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
> iPhone?
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the 
> playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is 
> be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs 
> that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music 
> would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing 
> is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to select 
> it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
>> contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music or
>> another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist on
>> my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno Mars
>> shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request the
>> playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
>> needs.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> so if you have multiple albums by a given artist, how do you get your
>> i-device to play all songs from all albums?  I've looked in the Apple
>> Support forums, and saw something that said you did it by tapping on the
>> artist photo.  I've tried tapping the artist's name, but that did not do it.
>> Does anyone know how to do this?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Alan,

You know, I very rarely use Siri to play music.  Not sure why, just habit, I 
suppose.  I'll give this a try and see what happens.  It's so frustrating 
having gotten it to work once. 
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, 
> 
> So have you tried asking Siri to play Eric clapton to see what happens? I'm 
> still using ios 8.3 so my music app has not been affected by the changes they 
> brought in to support apple music. I'd be curious how Siri would handle a 
> request to play tracks by artist when both owned and streamed music are 
> available on the same device. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the 
>> playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is 
>> be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs 
>> that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music 
>> would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing 
>> is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to 
>> select it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
>>> contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music or
>>> another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist on
>>> my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno Mars
>>> shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request the
>>> playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
>>> needs.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
>>> iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> so if you have multiple albums by a given artist, how do you get your
>>> i-device to play all songs from all albums?  I've looked in the Apple
>>> Support forums, and saw something that said you did it by tapping on the
>>> artist photo.  I've tried tapping the artist's name, but that did not do it.
>>> Does anyone know how to do this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Terje Strømberg]

Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. An 
iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?

Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :

I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a nice 
high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
>> thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
>>> on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any worthwhile 
 developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[sadam . lists]

They can always find some way of improving the phone. 

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a pretty 
> complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need to sell 
> new hardware for that.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. An 
>> iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
>> now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a 
>> nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
> on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> worthwhile developments?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a pretty 
complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need to sell new 
hardware for that.


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. An 
> iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
> now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a 
> nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
>>> thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
 on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

George,

there is no Music Button in the bottom right of the screen.  In the Bottom 
right of the screen is the Connect Tab.
Best,
Donna
> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:10 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Open music
> 
> Double tap onmy music in the bottom right corner of the screen
> Double tap on it says catagories and what is current like jondra button and 
> double tap on that and the in the list double tap on artest
> Now you will get a popluatted list of your artest in your music.
> Double tap on the aretst
> Then follow the prompt from there -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
> iPhone?
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the 
> playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is 
> be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs 
> that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music 
> would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing 
> is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to select 
> it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
>> contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music or
>> another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist on
>> my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno Mars
>> shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request the
>> playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
>> needs.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> so if you have multiple albums by a given artist, how do you get your
>> i-device to play all songs from all albums?  I've looked in the Apple
>> Support forums, and saw something that said you did it by tapping on the
>> artist photo.  I've tried tapping the artist's name, but that did not do it.
>> Does anyone know how to do this?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

[Scott Granados]

This is not how I would do it.

Since you use optical (I do as well) I would take the signal from the Apple TV 
to your TV set over HDMI which gives you the highest digital fidelity possible 
then take the optical out on the back of your TV and route that to your 
receiver.  Then anything heard on the TV will route to your surround processor. 
 Hope that helps.


> On Sep 13, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I have a question. I know that there are 3.5 mm jack to blue tooth adaptors, 
> which I learned a while back. Will this work with the new Apple TV if one 
> needed to use an optical cable to rout the Apple TV through their receiver? 
> This may be an option for those who are not in the market or can’t afford a 
> new blue tooth receiver along with all the new iDevices revealed last 
> Wednesday. Input on this would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
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RE: Apple TV-No Optical Port

[george b]

Hay scot what model denon do you have

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 05:17
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

 

Seven.1 is pretty good.  You can actually get 9.1 or even more if you go with 
some of the more high end gear.  I have a Denon receiver that decodes surround 
nicely and it’s a lot of fun to listen to.

 

On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:

 

Wooo!  I don't have a 7.1 capable receiver, but oh, man that would be awesome, 
if I did!

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

 

The new Apple TV, which isn't even available to purchase yet, has dropped the 
optical audio out. So the only option is to get your audio via HDMI or send it 
to an airport express with optical audio outputs. They did add 7.1 surround 
sound if you're really into that home theater sound setup.

CB

On 9/13/15 2:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Totally forget that option.  The ONLY connections on the Apple TV are as 
follows: 

 

1.  RJ45 port for ethernet.

 

2.  HDMI port for connecting to either HDTV or HD capable AV receiver.

3.  MiniUSB.

 

4.  Optical digital output.

 

 

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

 

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!!!

 

On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Eileen Misrahi  > wrote:

 

Hello, 

I have a question. I know that there are 3.5 mm jack to blue tooth adaptors, 
which I learned a while back. Will this work with the new Apple TV if one 
needed to use an optical cable to rout the Apple TV through their receiver? 
This may be an option for those who are not in the market or can’t afford a new 
blue tooth receiver along with all the new iDevices revealed last Wednesday. 
Input on this would be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance. 

Best, 
Eileen 

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

Lots of cool new upgrades like the new radio chip which will make the 
networking twice as fast, A9 processor, upgraded fingerprint censor, upgraded 
camera.  Sounds like quite an incremental upgrade.

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
> thursday's event.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it on 
>> the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any indication 
>> of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any worthwhile 
>>> developments?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a nice 
high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?

> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
>> thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
>>> on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any worthwhile 
 developments?
 Cheers,
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not like 
I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be faster 
processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it thins out 
quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t have?  Not much I 
can think of.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>> to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
>>> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go 
>>> from here?
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah,
> 
> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
> from thursday's event.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>>> worthwhile developments?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: TVOS Accessibility

[Scott Granados]

You would need a TV with an HDMI in to make the Apple TV work.  I have a 
Samsung myself but most large screen devices support these inputs.  

What’s a free view TV?

 
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> I am very interested in the new Apple TV as I have no TV at the moment.  So 
> if I got a basic Free View TV (don't know if the US have Freeview TV) and got 
> an Apple TV the new one, would it work on the Freeview TV?  As I thought 
> yesterday Apple said that they had made a proper television.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 10 Sep 2015, at 20:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think we’re going to write an App for the device so we can use our service 
> as well in the same way.  Would be cool to have very high definition meetings 
> right on your large screen TV.:)
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, just looked at this page.  This is awesome!  I am really heartened that 
>> straight out of the box, the very very first introduction to TVOS already 
>> has Voiceover included, and can even be activated with no sighted help, just 
>> like it can on I O S, and on OSS, and frankly, WatchOS.  That is incredible! 
>>  I confess, I was ever so slightly concerned, not so much that accessibility 
>> wouldn't be there, nor developed, but to what extent more or less it would 
>> be.  The fact they directly mention about flicking and double tapping, as 
>> well as your rotor even working tells me that this is gonna be probably like 
>> a real glorified version of I O S.  Guies, think about what this could mean 
>> for us audio gurus!  Pandora on your TV, Apple Music on your TV, Skype and 
>> maybe even Facetime on your TV in combination with the remote, e-mail and 
>> web browsing, Facebook and Twitter!  Oh, my freaking Gawod? Ehh K, ehh 
>> kayyy, Periscope! from the TV!  Now! you got me thinking!  This could be a 
>> freaking mazing!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Kevin Shaw
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:24 AM
>>> Subject: TVOS Accessibility
>>> 
>>> Apple’s page on TVOS accessibility. 
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/tvos/
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[george b]

I am running 8.4.1
I did not say go to the more I said to highlite a alblum after you pick the 
library tab in the top left corner of the music window after you choose my 
music on the bottom tabs
Then, choose your category in your case artist
Then highlite a artest
Then flick up with one finger to you hear play and double tap and if you do not 
have choices like play when flicking up then do the rotor to you get to actions 
and then flick up and you will find play in that list of choices and double tap 
on it and all the songs from that artest will start playing.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 05:44
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
iPhone?

Hi George,

Mostly we're speaking the same language.  For me, the My Music tab is in the 
lower left, but all other steps work until I get to the More button.  When I 
tap on that, I get a whole bunch of options such as share artist, Start Radio 
station, Make available off-line,  etc, but nothing about playing all songs.  
have you updated to the latest IOS?  I'm just starting to wonder if we're 
running the same software version, especially given that you're finding the My 
Music Tab on the Right, whereas mine is on the left.
Cheers,
Donna. 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:25 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> donna
> 
> open the music app on your phone
> 
> in the lower right corner of the app the 5th tab across the bottom is my 
> music double tap on this tab
> now in the upper left corner of the screen below the status line is my 
> account button, library button, and playlist button, double tap on library 
> button
> now flick with one finger across the screen to you hear category button with 
> the selected defalt category name. if it is not artist then double tap on 
> this button and double tap on artest.
> Now you should have all your music listed by artest name in a list with the 
> name of the artest and number of alblums and number of songs
> To play all from that artest, flick up with one finger and you will hear 
> play, more, and activate, double tap on play and it will start playing all 
> from that artist.
> If you do not get these choices when you flick up then do the rotor to you 
> hear actions and then it will work.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 04:31
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
> iPhone?
> 
> George,
> 
> there is no Music Button in the bottom right of the screen.  In the Bottom 
> right of the screen is the Connect Tab.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:10 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Open music
>> 
>> Double tap onmy music in the bottom right corner of the screen
>> Double tap on it says catagories and what is current like jondra button and 
>> double tap on that and the in the list double tap on artest
>> Now you will get a popluatted list of your artest in your music.
>> Double tap on the aretst
>> Then follow the prompt from there -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the 
>> playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is 
>> be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs 
>> that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music 
>> would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing 
>> is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to 
>> select it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
>>> contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music or
>>> another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist on
>>> my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno Mars
>>> shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request the
>>> playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
>>> needs.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
>>> To: 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[sadam . lists]

Not sure what they can add to iOS as well. 

Next year will be interesting. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:09 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it thins 
> out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t have?  Not 
> much I can think of.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>> 
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>>> to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
 An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

[Scott Granados]

Seven.1 is pretty good.  You can actually get 9.1 or even more if you go with 
some of the more high end gear.  I have a Denon receiver that decodes surround 
nicely and it’s a lot of fun to listen to.

> On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wooo!  I don't have a 7.1 capable receiver, but oh, man that would be 
> awesome, if I did!
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port
>> 
>> The new Apple TV, which isn't even available to purchase yet, has dropped 
>> the optical audio out. So the only option is to get your audio via HDMI or 
>> send it to an airport express with optical audio outputs. They did add 7.1 
>> surround sound if you're really into that home theater sound setup.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 9/13/15 2:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> Totally forget that option.  The ONLY connections on the Apple TV are as 
>>> follows: 
>>> 
>>> 1.  RJ45 port for ethernet.
>>> 
>>> 2.  HDMI port for connecting to either HDTV or HD capable AV receiver.
>>> 3.  MiniUSB.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Optical digital output.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!!!
>>> 
 On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Eileen Misrahi > wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 
 I have a question. I know that there are 3.5 mm jack to blue tooth 
 adaptors, which I learned a while back. Will this work with the new Apple 
 TV if one needed to use an optical cable to rout the Apple TV through 
 their receiver? This may be an option for those who are not in the market 
 or can’t afford a new blue tooth receiver along with all the new iDevices 
 revealed last Wednesday. Input on this would be appreciated. 
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 
 Best, 
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Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

[Scott Granados]

I have a Denon AVR-5803.  Does a pretty good job.  I’m not sure what the 
equivalent part number is for their flagship receivers but this was the 
flagship a few years back.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:26 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Hay scot what model denon do you have
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 05:17
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port
>  
> Seven.1 is pretty good.  You can actually get 9.1 or even more if you go with 
> some of the more high end gear.  I have a Denon receiver that decodes 
> surround nicely and it’s a lot of fun to listen to.
>  
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> > wrote:
>>  
>> Wooo!  I don't have a 7.1 capable receiver, but oh, man that would be 
>> awesome, if I did!
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port
>>>  
>>> The new Apple TV, which isn't even available to purchase yet, has dropped 
>>> the optical audio out. So the only option is to get your audio via HDMI or 
>>> send it to an airport express with optical audio outputs. They did add 7.1 
>>> surround sound if you're really into that home theater sound setup.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 9/13/15 2:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Totally forget that option.  The ONLY connections on the Apple TV are as 
 follows: 
  
 1.  RJ45 port for ethernet.
  
 2.  HDMI port for connecting to either HDTV or HD capable AV receiver.
 3.  MiniUSB.
  
 4.  Optical digital output.
  
  
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
  
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!!!
  
> On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Eileen Misrahi  > wrote:
>  
> Hello, 
> 
> I have a question. I know that there are 3.5 mm jack to blue tooth 
> adaptors, which I learned a while back. Will this work with the new Apple 
> TV if one needed to use an optical cable to rout the Apple TV through 
> their receiver? This may be an option for those who are not in the market 
> or can’t afford a new blue tooth receiver along with all the new iDevices 
> revealed last Wednesday. Input on this would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
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Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi George,

Mostly we're speaking the same language.  For me, the My Music tab is in the 
lower left, but all other steps work until I get to the More button.  When I 
tap on that, I get a whole bunch of options such as share artist, Start Radio 
station, Make available off-line,  etc, but nothing about playing all songs.  
have you updated to the latest IOS?  I'm just starting to wonder if we're 
running the same software version, especially given that you're finding the My 
Music Tab on the Right, whereas mine is on the left.
Cheers,
Donna. 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:25 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> donna
> 
> open the music app on your phone
> 
> in the lower right corner of the app the 5th tab across the bottom is my 
> music double tap on this tab
> now in the upper left corner of the screen below the status line is my 
> account button, library button, and playlist button, double tap on library 
> button
> now flick with one finger across the screen to you hear category button with 
> the selected defalt category name. if it is not artist then double tap on 
> this button and double tap on artest.
> Now you should have all your music listed by artest name in a list with the 
> name of the artest and number of alblums and number of songs
> To play all from that artest, flick up with one finger and you will hear 
> play, more, and activate, double tap on play and it will start playing all 
> from that artist.
> If you do not get these choices when you flick up then do the rotor to you 
> hear actions and then it will work.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 04:31
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
> iPhone?
> 
> George,
> 
> there is no Music Button in the bottom right of the screen.  In the Bottom 
> right of the screen is the Connect Tab.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:10 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Open music
>> 
>> Double tap onmy music in the bottom right corner of the screen
>> Double tap on it says catagories and what is current like jondra button and 
>> double tap on that and the in the list double tap on artest
>> Now you will get a popluatted list of your artest in your music.
>> Double tap on the aretst
>> Then follow the prompt from there -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or 
>> iPhone?
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the 
>> playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is 
>> be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs 
>> that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music 
>> would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing 
>> is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to 
>> select it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
>>> contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music or
>>> another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist on
>>> my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno Mars
>>> shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request the
>>> playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
>>> needs.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
>>> iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> so if you have multiple albums by a given artist, how do you get your
>>> i-device to play all songs from all albums?  I've looked in the Apple
>>> Support forums, and saw something that said you did it by tapping on the
>>> artist photo.  I've tried tapping the artist's name, but that did not do it.
>>> Does anyone know how to do this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling 
for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster 
networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have 
completed addressing all the major limitations.


CB

On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a nice 
high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?


On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
thursday's event.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it on 
the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any indication of 
how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.


On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any worthwhile 
developments?
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Yup. Here's one for $37:

https://sewelldirect.com/HDMI-toHDMI-Audio-Spdif-35mm-Extractor-Adapter-with-ARC

Output is both RCA stereo and optical digital.

CB

On 9/14/15 5:56 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Sad they skip the optical port.
But maybe there are hdmi to analog converters too?
/A
14 sep. 2015 kl. 05:21 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>:


Wooo!  I don't have a 7.1 capable receiver, but oh, man that would be 
awesome, if I did!

Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 

*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Sent:*Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:41 PM
*Subject:*Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

The new Apple TV, which isn't even available to purchase yet, has 
dropped the optical audio out. So the only option is to get your 
audio via HDMI or send it to an airport express with optical audio 
outputs. They did add 7.1 surround sound if you're really into that 
home theater sound setup.


CB

On 9/13/15 2:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Totally forget that option.  The ONLY connections on the Apple TV 
are as follows:


1.  RJ45 port for ethernet.

2.  HDMI port for connecting to either HDTV or HD capable AV receiver.
3.  MiniUSB.

4.  Optical digital output.


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!!!


On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Eileen Misrahi 
> wrote:


Hello,

I have a question. I know that there are 3.5 mm jack to blue tooth 
adaptors, which I learned a while back. Will this work with the 
new Apple TV if one needed to use an optical cable to rout the 
Apple TV through their receiver? This may be an option for those 
who are not in the market or can’t afford a new blue tooth 
receiver along with all the new iDevices revealed last Wednesday. 
Input on this would be appreciated.


Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Mary Otten]

Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on my 
phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone is 
really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any of its 
tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
improvement.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it thins 
> out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t have?  Not 
> much I can think of.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>> 
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>>> to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
 An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain.  If 
I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or headset or 
the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a good quality 
sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that makes you want 
improved audio natively?

Good response btw.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
> would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
> decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on 
> my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone 
> is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any 
> of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
> improvement.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
>> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
>> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
>> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
>> have?  Not much I can think of.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
disappeared on several android devices.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like this 
> deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
> wrong.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>> 
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>>> to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
 An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I've always wondered if the GPS drain was due to getting the coordinates 
all the time or the constant downloading of data over the cellular 
internet connection. I guess if there is a GPS app with all the maps 
included (would be quite large) that would be a good test. I think 
Navigon was one that had the maps baked into the app.


CB

On 9/14/15 10:07 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are 
the biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, 
it's hard to say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if 
maps were in local storage as opposed to maintaining a constant 
connection to their servers. I imagine some of that battery drain can 
be decreased through things they can do in software, but I thought I 
heard that the GPS in phones is a more power hungry way of doing it 
than the little GPS receivers people used with their note takers. They 
might be already at a point where we need some kind of breakthrough in 
batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the power without 
changing the size.


- Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
completed addressing all the major limitations.

CB

On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has 
every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
where do they go from here?



On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways 
were from thursday's event.

Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
wrote:


Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their 
hands on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those 
don’t give any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D 
Touch, naturally.



On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
worthwhile developments?

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Mary Otten]

I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like this 
deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app switcher 
is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm wrong.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>> to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
>>> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go 
>>> from here?
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah,
> 
> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
> from thursday's event.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>>> worthwhile developments?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Brent Harding]

I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard to 
say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in local 
storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their servers. I 
imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through things they can 
do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in phones is a more power 
hungry way of doing it than the little GPS receivers people used with their 
note takers. They might be already at a point where we need some kind of 
breakthrough in batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the 
power without changing the size.


- Original Message - 
From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
completed addressing all the major limitations.

CB

On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
go from here?



On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
from thursday's event.

Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.



On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
worthwhile developments?

Cheers,
Donna

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RE: iPhone 6S?

[george b]

Navigon lets you download the maps

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 07:44
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

I've always wondered if the GPS drain was due to getting the coordinates 
all the time or the constant downloading of data over the cellular 
internet connection. I guess if there is a GPS app with all the maps 
included (would be quite large) that would be a good test. I think 
Navigon was one that had the maps baked into the app.

CB

On 9/14/15 10:07 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
> I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are 
> the biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, 
> it's hard to say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if 
> maps were in local storage as opposed to maintaining a constant 
> connection to their servers. I imagine some of that battery drain can 
> be decreased through things they can do in software, but I thought I 
> heard that the GPS in phones is a more power hungry way of doing it 
> than the little GPS receivers people used with their note takers. They 
> might be already at a point where we need some kind of breakthrough in 
> batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the power without 
> changing the size.
>
> - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>
>
> Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
> for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
> networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
> completed addressing all the major limitations.
>
> CB
>
> On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has 
>> every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
>> networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
>> where do they go from here?
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

 Ah,

 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways 
 were from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their 
> hands on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those 
> don’t give any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D 
> Touch, naturally.
>
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> worthwhile developments?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Devin Prater]

They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille display 
of itself. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't necessarily 
> want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the time. I don't 
> use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, or when I am 
> out and about, in public, and using the speaker would be discourteous in the 
> extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own an excellent pair, 
> and I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to the sound of those 
> phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, casually, I would love 
> decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. My husbands phone is 
> certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have 
> held one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  
> smaller than the 6S. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain.  
>> If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or 
>> headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a 
>> good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
>> makes you want improved audio natively?
>> 
>> Good response btw.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
>>> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing 
>>> I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and 
>>> put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater 
>>> experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes 
>>> from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good 
>>> speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could 
>>> stand some major improvement.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
 like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
 faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
 thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
 have?  Not much I can think of.
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
>> need to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do 
>>> they go from here?
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah,
> 
> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways 
> were from thursday's event.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I just think it’s an interesting tradeoff of space.  I’d much rather have 
faster processing or faster networking than speakers but I only use the 
internal speaker for quick checks of the phone or alerting / alarms that sort 
of thing.  I use the headset or a jawbone jam box almost all the time much more 
the headset.

I find it interesting though the interesting uses that others have and the 
different priorities in features so there’s no right answer and I was just 
curious your motivation.


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't necessarily 
> want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the time. I don't 
> use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, or when I am 
> out and about, in public, and using the speaker would be discourteous in the 
> extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own an excellent pair, 
> and I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to the sound of those 
> phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, casually, I would love 
> decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. My husbands phone is 
> certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have 
> held one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  
> smaller than the 6S. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain.  
>> If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or 
>> headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a 
>> good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
>> makes you want improved audio natively?
>> 
>> Good response btw.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
>>> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing 
>>> I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and 
>>> put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater 
>>> experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes 
>>> from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good 
>>> speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could 
>>> stand some major improvement.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
 like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
 faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
 thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
 have?  Not much I can think of.
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
>> need to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do 
>>> they go from here?
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah,
> 
> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Devin Prater]

I'm not sure. But Apple already has a patent for some kind of liquid, bendable 
metal of sorts.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Should not be that hard, does not the moto x do this now?
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Devin Prater wrote:
>> 
>> They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
>> screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
>> people could feel buttons, game controls and such.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
>>> don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's 
>>> no use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
 display of itself.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all 
> the time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music 
> listening, or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker 
> would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 
> years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone 
> to come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening 
> to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it 
> for two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's 
> standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S 
> that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
>> gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth 
>> speaker or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  
>> Wouldn’t a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case 
>> here that makes you want improved audio natively?
>> 
>> Good response btw.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already 
>>> been mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is 
>>> one thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like 
>>> HTC does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
>>> theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the 
>>> sound that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has 
>>> never put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is 
>>> a place where they could stand some major improvement.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
 not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
 always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
 2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs 
 that it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone.
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is 
>> a pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you 
>> don’t need to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice 
>>> Over?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Karen Lewellen]

Should not be that hard, does not the moto x do this now?


On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Devin Prater wrote:


They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
people could feel buttons, game controls and such.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's no 
use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille display 
of itself.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't necessarily 
want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the time. I don't use 
headsets for anything but really serious music listening, or when I am out and about, in 
public, and using the speaker would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my 
work for 28 years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone to 
come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, 
casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. My husbands 
phone is certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held 
one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain.  If 
I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or headset or 
the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a good quality 
sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that makes you want 
improved audio natively?

Good response btw.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on my 
phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone is 
really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any of its 
tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
improvement.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not like 
I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be faster 
processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it thins out 
quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t have?  Not much I 
can think of.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

They can always find some way of improving the phone.

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.

Sent from my iPhone

--




On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:

I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a pretty 
complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need to sell new 
hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. An 
iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?

Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :

I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a nice 
high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?


On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
thursday's event.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

We really won’t know 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Wayne Merritt]

I would like to see them ad more haptic feedback when you slide your
finger around the home screen or in apps. I am thinking of the
vibrations that you get on Android when your finger goes across icons
on the home screen. From what was said last week, it sounds like you
get some haptic feedback on the 6S after activating something on the
screen, but it would be good to see them take this further. I can see
how this could benefit the blind, the deaf blind or the deaf. I think
Apple will release new phones each year since the iPhone is a large
majority of their business and profit.

Wayne

On 9/14/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I just think it’s an interesting tradeoff of space.  I’d much rather have
> faster processing or faster networking than speakers but I only use the
> internal speaker for quick checks of the phone or alerting / alarms that
> sort of thing.  I use the headset or a jawbone jam box almost all the time
> much more the headset.
>
> I find it interesting though the interesting uses that others have and the
> different priorities in features so there’s no right answer and I was just
> curious your motivation.
>
>
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't
>> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all
>> the time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music
>> listening, or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker
>> would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28
>> years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone
>> to come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening
>> to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for
>> two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's
>> standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S
>> that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an
>>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no
>>> gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker
>>> or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t
>>> a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that
>>> makes you want improved audio natively?
>>>
>>> Good response btw.
>>>
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been
 mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one
 thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC
 does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home
 theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound
 that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never
 put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a
 place where they could stand some major improvement.
 Mary

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s
> not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will
> always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s
> 2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that
> it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.
>
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone.
>>
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is
>>> a pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you
>>> don’t need to sell new hardware for that.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg
  wrote:

 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to
 walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice
 Over?

 Take care

 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados
 :

 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has
 every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the
 networks fully, a nice high end 

Re: question regarding Night Owl

[May McDonald]

Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open. 

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of 
> the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I 
> cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
> Thank you,
> laura 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Or better and more innovative still would be to make icons, buttons and keys 
visible via the haptic/taptic engine. That would reduce the guesswork when 
looking for an app or a key or a button.
/Krister

> 14 sep. 2015 kl. 17:25 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
> display of itself. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
>> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the 
>> time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, 
>> or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker would be 
>> discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own 
>> an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to 
>> the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, 
>> casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. 
>> My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 
>> 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that 
>> his phone is  smaller than the 6S. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain. 
>>>  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or 
>>> headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a 
>>> good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
>>> makes you want improved audio natively?
>>> 
>>> Good response btw.
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
 mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one 
 thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC 
 does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
 theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound 
 that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never put 
 really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place 
 where they could stand some major improvement.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
> have?  Not much I can think of.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>> 
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
>>> need to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
 walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
 :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
 networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
 where do they go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

I don’t know, sounds kind of wanky to me especially if being generated with one 
vibrating motor only deep inside the phone.  I’d be open to seeing it 
demonstrated though if someone came up with such a thing.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
> screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
> people could feel buttons, game controls and such.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
>> don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's no 
>> use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
>>> display of itself. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
 necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all 
 the time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music 
 listening, or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker 
 would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 
 years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone 
 to come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening 
 to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for 
 two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's 
 standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S 
 that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
> gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker 
> or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t 
> a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
> makes you want improved audio natively?
> 
> Good response btw.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
>> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one 
>> thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC 
>> does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
>> theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound 
>> that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never 
>> put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a 
>> place where they could stand some major improvement.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
>>> not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
>>> always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
>>> 2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that 
>>> it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
 
 Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is 
> a pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you 
> don’t need to sell new hardware for that.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
>> :
>> 
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Robin]

You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...

They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to 
incorporateTheUse of Siri with TheirApps as 
Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with 
their PA (PersonalAssistant) Cortana


Siri should also BeAbleTo Create Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.

That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
I don’t know what they can do on the hardware 
side.  This version is a pretty complete 
device.  The software has possibilities but you 
don’t need to sell new hardware for that.



> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg 
 wrote:

>
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from 
here? Still many roads to walk. An iPhone car 
on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?

>
> Take care
>
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>
> I really don’t see what they will add after 
this.  The phone has every thing now.  A really 
solid radio finally that works on all the 
networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 
bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?

>
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah,
>>>
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>>
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just 
wondered what the take-aways were from thursday's event.

>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

 Hi,

 We really won’t know anything until 
people actually get their hands on it on the 
25th. There are hands-on articles, but those 
don’t give any indication of how voiceover 
will work with 3D Touch, naturally.


> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering what people have heard 
about the iPhone 6S.  Any worthwhile developments?

> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Mary Otten]

Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's no 
use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
> display of itself. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
>> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the 
>> time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, 
>> or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker would be 
>> discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own 
>> an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to 
>> the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, 
>> casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. 
>> My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 
>> 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that 
>> his phone is  smaller than the 6S. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain. 
>>>  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or 
>>> headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a 
>>> good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
>>> makes you want improved audio natively?
>>> 
>>> Good response btw.
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
 mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one 
 thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC 
 does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
 theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound 
 that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never put 
 really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place 
 where they could stand some major improvement.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
> have?  Not much I can think of.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>> 
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
>>> need to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
 walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
 :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
 networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
 where do they go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Mary Otten]

Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't necessarily 
want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the time. I don't 
use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, or when I am out 
and about, in public, and using the speaker would be discourteous in the 
extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own an excellent pair, and 
I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to the sound of those phones.  
However, when just listening to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. 
And HTC has done it for two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge 
by today's standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 
6S that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain.  
> If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or headset 
> or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a good quality 
> sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that makes you want 
> improved audio natively?
> 
> Good response btw.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
>> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing 
>> I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and 
>> put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater 
>> experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes 
>> from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good 
>> speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could 
>> stand some major improvement.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
>>> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
>>> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
>>> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
>>> have?  Not much I can think of.
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
 
 Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
> need to sell new hardware for that.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
>> go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
> on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
> any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Devin Prater]

They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
people could feel buttons, game controls and such.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
> don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's no 
> use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
>> display of itself. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
>>> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the 
>>> time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, 
>>> or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker would be 
>>> discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own 
>>> an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to 
>>> the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, 
>>> casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. 
>>> My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have 
>>> a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking 
>>> that his phone is  smaller than the 6S. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
 interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
 gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker 
 or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t 
 a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
 makes you want improved audio natively?
 
 Good response btw.
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one 
> thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC 
> does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
> theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound 
> that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never 
> put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place 
> where they could stand some major improvement.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
>> not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
>> always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
>> 2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that 
>> it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
 need to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
> :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has 
> every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
> networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
> where do they go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Devin Prater]

Yeah, I think Siri could do well if Apple bought Neuance. I thought Neuance was 
practically looking for someone to buy them anyways. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
> 
> They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
> with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their PA 
> (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
> 
> Siri should also BeAbleTo Create Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
> 
> That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
> At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>> to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
>> > An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> >
>> > Take care
>> >
>> > 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> >
>> > I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>> > thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>> > fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
>> > go from here?
>> >
>> >> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> >> Donna
>> >>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah,
>> >>>
>> >>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> >>> from thursday's event.
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Donna
>>  On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
>>  on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
>>  any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>> > On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> > worthwhile developments?
>> > Cheers,
>> > Donna
>> >
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[E.T.]

   Better than any of this would be to build a technology that pairs 
with our brains. Of course that would be dangerous so safeguards would 
need to be built in to protect the masses from their own tomfoolery. But 
it could save having to use hardware.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/14/2015 8:41 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
people could feel buttons, game controls and such.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's no 
use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille display 
of itself.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't necessarily 
want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the time. I don't use 
headsets for anything but really serious music listening, or when I am out and about, in 
public, and using the speaker would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my 
work for 28 years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone to 
come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, 
casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. My husbands 
phone is certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held 
one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no gain.  If 
I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker or headset or 
the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t a good quality 
sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that makes you want 
improved audio natively?

Good response btw.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on my 
phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone is 
really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any of its 
tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
improvement.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not like 
I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be faster 
processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it thins out 
quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t have?  Not much I 
can think of.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

They can always find some way of improving the phone.

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.

Sent from my iPhone

--




On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:

I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a pretty 
complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need to sell new 
hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. An 
iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?

Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :

I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a nice 
high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?


On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna 

question regarding Night Owl

[Laura Bratton]

Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone has 
posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of the 
most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I cannot 
figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
Thank you,
laura 

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Devin Prater]

This may help a lot, but try going through the menues and seeing what VoiceOver 
says after the command. For example, it may say "follow user, f" or something 
like that. But, for viewing links, when focus is on the tweet with the link, 
press l. If this doesn't work, see which key to press by the menues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of 
> the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I 
> cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
> Thank you,
> laura 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Mary Otten]

Well, if we want to get Star Trek he, how about making the phone out of 
transparent aluminum? Seriously, what they might be able to do it some point is 
come up with material that is so good that you wouldn't need a case for your 
phone anymore.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
> requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can 
> already pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add 
> which was my original point.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
>> 
>> They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
>> with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their PA 
>> (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
>> 
>> Siri should also BeAbleTo Create Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
>> 
>> That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
>> At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
>>> need to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
 An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
>>> on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
>>> any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

So, that’s a little way off yet but yes, I would sign up for that.:)

Probably would be a physical plug at first to get enough bandwidth to be worth 
while and then you’d need to solve the bandwidth from the phone to the network 
and the network over all problem but yes, that would be pretty damn cool. 
That’s when we have to start worrying about agent Smith though.:)

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:59 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Better than any of this would be to build a technology that pairs with our 
> brains. Of course that would be dangerous so safeguards would need to be 
> built in to protect the masses from their own tomfoolery. But it could save 
> having to use hardware.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/14/2015 8:41 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
>> screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
>> people could feel buttons, game controls and such.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
>>> don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's 
>>> no use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
 display of itself.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all 
> the time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music 
> listening, or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker 
> would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 
> years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone 
> to come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening 
> to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it 
> for two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's 
> standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S 
> that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
>> gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth 
>> speaker or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  
>> Wouldn’t a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case 
>> here that makes you want improved audio natively?
>> 
>> Good response btw.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already 
>>> been mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is 
>>> one thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like 
>>> HTC does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
>>> theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the 
>>> sound that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has 
>>> never put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is 
>>> a place where they could stand some major improvement.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
 not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
 always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
 2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs 
 that it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone.
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

They are definitely working on that.  There’s a patent for an all glass sleeve 
for the phone packaging now.
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, if we want to get Star Trek he, how about making the phone out of 
> transparent aluminum? Seriously, what they might be able to do it some point 
> is come up with material that is so good that you wouldn't need a case for 
> your phone anymore.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
>> requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can 
>> already pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add 
>> which was my original point.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
>>> 
>>> They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
>>> with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their 
>>> PA (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
>>> 
>>> Siri should also BeAbleTo Create Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
>>> 
>>> That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
>>> At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
 need to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
 on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
 any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can already 
pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add which was my 
original point.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
> 
> They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
> with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their PA 
> (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
> 
> Siri should also BeAbleTo Create Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
> 
> That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
> At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>> to sell new hardware for that.
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
>> > An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> >
>> > Take care
>> >
>> > 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> >
>> > I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>> > thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>> > fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
>> > go from here?
>> >
>> >> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> >> Donna
>> >>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah,
>> >>>
>> >>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> >>> from thursday's event.
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Donna
>>  On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
>>  on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
>>  any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>> > On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> > worthwhile developments?
>> > Cheers,
>> > Donna
>> >
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RE: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[Alan Lemly]

Donna,

I understand but give Siri a try. The iPhone seems to have multiple ways to
accomplish the same task and you might be surprised at how handy Siri can be
to play music provided it works like you want it to.

Let us know your results and good luck.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
iPhone?

Hey Alan,

You know, I very rarely use Siri to play music.  Not sure why, just habit, I
suppose.  I'll give this a try and see what happens.  It's so frustrating
having gotten it to work once. 
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, 
> 
> So have you tried asking Siri to play Eric clapton to see what happens?
I'm still using ios 8.3 so my music app has not been affected by the changes
they brought in to support apple music. I'd be curious how Siri would handle
a request to play tracks by artist when both owned and streamed music are
available on the same device. 
> 
> Alan Lemly 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the
playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is
be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs
that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music
would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing
is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to
select it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
>>> contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music
or
>>> another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist
on
>>> my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno
Mars
>>> shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request
the
>>> playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
>>> needs.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
>>> iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> so if you have multiple albums by a given artist, how do you get your
>>> i-device to play all songs from all albums?  I've looked in the Apple
>>> Support forums, and saw something that said you did it by tapping on the
>>> artist photo.  I've tried tapping the artist's name, but that did not do
it.
>>> Does anyone know how to do this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and a recent report I read stated a very nice accidental improvement in 
battery technology. We should see this improvement next year. It reportedly 
will double battery life.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Sep 2015, at 02:07, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
> biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard to 
> say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in local 
> storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their servers. I 
> imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through things they can 
> do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in phones is a more power 
> hungry way of doing it than the little GPS receivers people used with their 
> note takers. They might be already at a point where we need some kind of 
> breakthrough in batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the power 
> without changing the size.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
> for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
> networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
> completed addressing all the major limitations.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
>> now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a 
>> nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
> on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> worthwhile developments?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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RE: question regarding Night Owl

[Maatthew Dyer]

Hi,

Press the letter l to open links.  HTH.

Mattheww



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On Behalf Of Laura Bratton
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: question regarding Night Owl

Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone has 
posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of the 
most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I cannot 
figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
Thank you,
laura 

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Devin Prater]

Nope. The feedback needed to show braille and other tactile things on the 
iPhone are hardware too. Either you can vibrate a moder at every pixel to show 
braille, or you can make the metal rise a little and form dots, both of which 
Apple has patents on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> These are all good suggestions but software changes only.  None of this 
> requires new hardware.  I’m wondering what’s next for hardware.  I can 
> already pay with my phone.  I can’t think of non software features to add 
> which was my original point.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> You AreWondering WhereThey CanGo ... I'll TellYou ...
>> 
>> They can allow Their AppDevelopers TheAbility to incorporateTheUse of Siri 
>> with TheirApps as Microsoft is allowing its AppDevelopers ToDo with their PA 
>> (PersonalAssistant) Cortana
>> 
>> Siri should also BeAbleTo Create Documents IN Pages & Numbers etc.
>> 
>> That's all I can think of OffTheTopOfMyHead ThisMorning
>> At 06:00 AM 9/14/2015, you wrote:
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
>>> need to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
 An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
>>> on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
>>> any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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RE: right mouse click

[george b]

Go into system preffs.
Go to mouse and track pad
Change the right lower corner of your track pad to a right mouse click

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:50
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: right mouse click

OK, how about this.  I presume that you don't have a numpad do you?  If you 
do, then you can enable mouse keys, then once done, your numpad 5 becomes 
the mouse clicker, so you could then essentially hit ctrl+numpad 5.  Really 
that's the only other way I know of.  There might be an unassigned command 
that you could map to a keyboard commander, but I'm thinking that the 
vo+shift+M is probably going to be as close as you're gonna get, short of 
what you're doing already, or using mouse keys.

Sorry to not be of any more help.  Shruggs.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Christina C." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: right mouse click


This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the 
contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually 
click, but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the 
contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse 
pointer to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and 
than very carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so 
accurate and move the mouse pointer by accident :(


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>
> VO+shift+M
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  
>> wrote:
>>

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Re: TVOS Accessibility

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Scott.

Freeview TV is a free TV service here in the UK.  As far as I know, you get a 
Freeview box built into the TV and you put a TV view card in it.  It's a bit 
like cable but you get all free channels on it.  Not used it myself yet as I 
have no TV yet.

Thanks.

Kawal.
On 14 Sep 2015, at 13:19, Scott Granados  wrote:

You would need a TV with an HDMI in to make the Apple TV work.  I have a 
Samsung myself but most large screen devices support these inputs.  

What’s a free view TV?


> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> I am very interested in the new Apple TV as I have no TV at the moment.  So 
> if I got a basic Free View TV (don't know if the US have Freeview TV) and got 
> an Apple TV the new one, would it work on the Freeview TV?  As I thought 
> yesterday Apple said that they had made a proper television.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 10 Sep 2015, at 20:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think we’re going to write an App for the device so we can use our service 
> as well in the same way.  Would be cool to have very high definition meetings 
> right on your large screen TV.:)
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, just looked at this page.  This is awesome!  I am really heartened that 
>> straight out of the box, the very very first introduction to TVOS already 
>> has Voiceover included, and can even be activated with no sighted help, just 
>> like it can on I O S, and on OSS, and frankly, WatchOS.  That is incredible! 
>>  I confess, I was ever so slightly concerned, not so much that accessibility 
>> wouldn't be there, nor developed, but to what extent more or less it would 
>> be.  The fact they directly mention about flicking and double tapping, as 
>> well as your rotor even working tells me that this is gonna be probably like 
>> a real glorified version of I O S.  Guies, think about what this could mean 
>> for us audio gurus!  Pandora on your TV, Apple Music on your TV, Skype and 
>> maybe even Facetime on your TV in combination with the remote, e-mail and 
>> web browsing, Facebook and Twitter!  Oh, my freaking Gawod? Ehh K, ehh 
>> kayyy, Periscope! from the TV!  Now! you got me thinking!  This could be a 
>> freaking mazing!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Kevin Shaw
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ; viph...@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:24 AM
>>> Subject: TVOS Accessibility
>>> 
>>> Apple’s page on TVOS accessibility. 
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/tvos/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[David Chittenden]

No, the battery drain is primarily from the GPS signal being so weak. The power 
drain from the mobile connection is quite minor in comparison. I have almost 
equivalent battery drain whether I use unboard maps from TomTom, or internet 
based maps from AppleMaps or GoogleMaps.

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> On 15 Sep 2015, at 02:43, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've always wondered if the GPS drain was due to getting the coordinates all 
> the time or the constant downloading of data over the cellular internet 
> connection. I guess if there is a GPS app with all the maps included (would 
> be quite large) that would be a good test. I think Navigon was one that had 
> the maps baked into the app.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 9/14/15 10:07 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>> I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
>> biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard to 
>> say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in local 
>> storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their servers. I 
>> imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through things they can 
>> do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in phones is a more power 
>> hungry way of doing it than the little GPS receivers people used with their 
>> note takers. They might be already at a point where we need some kind of 
>> breakthrough in batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the 
>> power without changing the size.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> 
>> Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
>> for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
>> networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
>> completed addressing all the major limitations.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go 
>>> from here?
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah,
> 
> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
> from thursday's event.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>>> worthwhile developments?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Rich Ring]

Man, Mary, I couldn’t agree with you more! Their speakers are a weak link!
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
> mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one thing I 
> would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC does and put 
> decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home theater experience on 
> my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound that comes from that phone 
> is really good for a phone. Apple has never put really good speakers in any 
> of its tablets or phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
> improvement.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s not 
>> like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will always be 
>> faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 2, then it 
>> thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that it doesn’t 
>> have?  Not much I can think of.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
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>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[David Chittenden]

Well, a three-in-one camera for start. This is one of the companies Apple 
purchased earlier this year. The new camera will allow multiple focusing on one 
image, as well as a few other tweaks. Should be very good for improved OCR and 
improved image recoqnition.

Better speaker technology is in the works according to some recent Apple 
pattents. Quite possibly this will lead to better sound and sound-stage 
separation from tiny speakers in future models (like the new iPad Pro, but in a 
smaller package.

Sensors to detect hand / body gestures. This is something Apple is reportedly 
researching.

Technology to cause the touchscreen to simulate various tactile feelinqs. Thus 
far, bubbles to shallow holes can be quite effectively generated on the flat 
touchscreen.

How's that for a few advances?

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> On 15 Sep 2015, at 00:48, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
> now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a 
> nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were from 
>>> thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
 on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[David Chittenden]

That is another pattent Apple received earlier this year. Apparently, they 
figured out a way to have the fingerprint sensor read the print from anywhere 
on the screen (at least in theory).

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> On 15 Sep 2015, at 06:59, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The one remaining problem would be, is the touch screen sensitive enough to 
> work for touch ID?
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
> disappeared on several android devices.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>> wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone.
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Terje Strømberg]

Water proof, dust and shock proof iPhone. On a friend’s wish list, still have 
A-GPS like now, but also with  stand alone GPS i.e. not A-GPS like now. If you 
turn off wi-fi and mobile network, you still get the position from for example 
Blind Square. So, both A-GPS and stand alone GPS. 

Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 22:38 skrev David Chittenden :

That is another pattent Apple received earlier this year. Apparently, they 
figured out a way to have the fingerprint sensor read the print from anywhere 
on the screen (at least in theory).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 15 Sep 2015, at 06:59, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> The one remaining problem would be, is the touch screen sensitive enough to 
> work for touch ID?
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
> disappeared on several android devices.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>> wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone.
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[David Chittenden]

The android phones with this feature actually vibrate the entire phone when the 
button is touched. For the sighted person, this haptically translates into the 
perception that a physical button has ben pressed. For a blind person (myself), 
the perception was that the phone shook when I touched the screen.

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> On 15 Sep 2015, at 03:46, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know, sounds kind of wanky to me especially if being generated with 
> one vibrating motor only deep inside the phone.  I’d be open to seeing it 
> demonstrated though if someone came up with such a thing.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
>> screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so that 
>> people could feel buttons, game controls and such.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, I 
>>> don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or there's 
>>> no use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with software?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
 display of itself. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
> necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all 
> the time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music 
> listening, or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker 
> would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 
> years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone 
> to come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening 
> to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it 
> for two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's 
> standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S 
> that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than the 6S. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
>> interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
>> gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth 
>> speaker or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  
>> Wouldn’t a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case 
>> here that makes you want improved audio natively?
>> 
>> Good response btw.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already 
>>> been mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is 
>>> one thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like 
>>> HTC does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
>>> theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the 
>>> sound that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has 
>>> never put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is 
>>> a place where they could stand some major improvement.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
 not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
 always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
 2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs 
 that it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
> 
> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is 
>> a pretty complete device.  The software 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Brent Harding]

I imagine with all the different stuff going on in the phone, the GPS signal 
is pretty weak, and it has to try harder than dedicated GPS devices do. One 
would think that using the approved external bluetooth receivers that have 
their own battery might help some, but I think Apple still combines that 
with the phone's internal sense of the location.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Chittenden" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


No, the battery drain is primarily from the GPS signal being so weak. The 
power drain from the mobile connection is quite minor in comparison. I have 
almost equivalent battery drain whether I use unboard maps from TomTom, or 
internet based maps from AppleMaps or GoogleMaps.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Sep 2015, at 02:43, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


I've always wondered if the GPS drain was due to getting the coordinates 
all the time or the constant downloading of data over the cellular 
internet connection. I guess if there is a GPS app with all the maps 
included (would be quite large) that would be a good test. I think Navigon 
was one that had the maps baked into the app.


CB


On 9/14/15 10:07 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard 
to say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in 
local storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their 
servers. I imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through 
things they can do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in 
phones is a more power hungry way of doing it than the little GPS 
receivers people used with their note takers. They might be already at a 
point where we need some kind of breakthrough in batteries to increase 
the time we get by increasing the power without changing the size.


- Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
completed addressing all the major limitations.

CB


On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
go from here?



On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
from thursday's event.

Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
wrote:


Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.



On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
worthwhile developments?

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Rich Ring]

Press Command L.
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of 
> the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I 
> cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
> Thank you,
> laura 
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Apple TV and Bluetooth audio?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Using a 3rd generation Apple TV with the most up to date software, can one pare 
the unit with a bluetooth speaker?

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'd like to see the phone vibrate when you turn it on a bit like the old Nokias 
or was it the HTC Window phones, those of you who had Windows Mobile the 6.1 
did they vibrate?  I can't remember as my HTC Windows phone died just as I 
stopped beta testing for Code Factory.  God so long ago.
On 14 Sep 2015, at 21:23, David Chittenden  wrote:

Yes, and a recent report I read stated a very nice accidental improvement in 
battery technology. We should see this improvement next year. It reportedly 
will double battery life.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Sep 2015, at 02:07, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I agree. It seems that next to video streaming, location services are the 
> biggest culprit of battery drain. Since we don't know for sure, it's hard to 
> say if Seeing Eye is more of a drain than it could be if maps were in local 
> storage as opposed to maintaining a constant connection to their servers. I 
> imagine some of that battery drain can be decreased through things they can 
> do in software, but I thought I heard that the GPS in phones is a more power 
> hungry way of doing it than the little GPS receivers people used with their 
> note takers. They might be already at a point where we need some kind of 
> breakthrough in batteries to increase the time we get by increasing the power 
> without changing the size.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
> 
> 
> Only major thing would be battery life. Keep all those features rolling
> for a week on a charge would be nice. Probably some new even faster
> networks will be coming down the pipe but, yes, they seem to have
> completed addressing all the major limitations.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 9/14/15 8:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every thing 
>> now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks fully, a 
>> nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on it 
> on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
>> worthwhile developments?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Help installing windows7 on boot camp.

[Danny Noonan]

Danny

Sent from my iPhoneany help off or on list appreciated on installing windows 7 
ultimate 64 bit ISO on a thumb drive and installed on to boot camp.  
I have decent if rusty  vo skills From mountain lion days but my just repaired 
mbp is running the latest OS X.  .  

Thanks in advance for any help. 
Regards 
Danny. 

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Re: urgent! Thorough and Good back up programs

[Joe Quinn]

sorry to keep bringing this up, but I just tried to go into recovery mode to 
see what I could do to fix the partitions, but, I can't do anything with GDISK, 
because there's no "sudo," or "su" commands in this version of terminal. 
however, i didind that I was in root, oweing to the # at the directory. also, 
typing GDISK at the prompt yeilds a not found message. any ideas anyone?

> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> yes.
> you use the command dd thus: dd if=/Volumes/Media/backups/backup.img 
> of=/dev/sda
> 
> that will write all information back to the new drive in exact bit for bit 
> order.
> 
> -eric
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
>> 
>> Then how do you restore it? Reverse it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 12:25 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> well,
>>> if you use dd and you set the input file to be the first device for the HDD 
>>> in /dev (the root device for the drive), then *everything* should be copied 
>>> bit for bit. No missing data, no corruptions. In this case, your root drive 
>>> would probably be /dev/sda (with 1 thru x being the partitions in order).
>>> 
>>> here is what I use to backup my system: dd if=/dev/sda 
>>> of=/Volumes/Media/backups/macHD.img
>>> 
>>> that copies the entirety of the primary boot drive (and all its partitions, 
>>> boot records, etc.) into a single contiguous file. no muss, no fuss. I have 
>>> room on my 2 TB external for at least 1 months worth of backups at one per 
>>> week. Considering that the boot drive is only 256 GB, it leaves me a lot of 
>>> room for other things (including storing backups of documents, installation 
>>> files, and my talking book library. Not too shabby, eh?
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
 
 did i ask this before, i use dd, but then I'd still have same problem with 
 the corrupt partition issue, right? forgive the question if I asked it 
 before.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> well, here is how the drive imaging works with Disk utility.
> 
> you can create a hard disk image, partition it and then copy the relevant 
> files to it. mind you, this is not exactly a clone. I haven't tried this 
> particular method myself, so I am not sure if it would work.
> 
> However, if you dd the entire device, all information (including boot 
> record, partition map, drive allocation tables, volume bitmaps and 
> everything else is preserved as a bit for bit image. with a large enough 
> backup drive, you can store the entire image as a single file. This is 
> the method I use and it works 100% of the time. THe other method 
> (creating a disk image using DU) will not have the same results. you 
> might miss some things like the MBR, partition tables and a few other 
> needed items. now, I use dd as a matter of course simply because I don't 
> have money to throw at a backup program that may, or may not, be entirely 
> accessible for the totally blind user. it is also an included command 
> line app that can be run in terminal from the recovery partition. SInce I 
> can run this recovery partition from either a CD or a USB stick (properly 
> configured), I don't have to worry about anything on the system drive 
> that might accidentally get wiped (considering that I am wiping it 
> anyway).
> 
> if you need more info on dd, you can read here: 
> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dd.1.html
> 
> -eric
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Joe Quinn wrote:
>> 
>> So if I Image my boot camp partition, then I deleted, reinstall it, and 
>> then restore it, would it boot? I assume not because as you said it 
>> wouldn't copy everything, only where there is data. I'm just confused. 
>> :-) I should just come in and Match the start and  sectors of the 
>> partition tables.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> that would work. you can create a sparse image of the drive as an image 
>>> file on another volume. the beauty about this is that only those places 
>>> that have data will be copied. ANything without data will simply be 
>>> ignored (as a zero space allocation). THis generally only works if you 
>>> create a sparse image volume to mimic a hard dis and then do a copy of 
>>> all the files inside the partition. its not exactly a bit for bit 
>>> backup, but it serves as a stopgap.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
 On Sep 11, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Joe Quinn wrote:
 
 there's an "image" function in disk utilitity. would that work or do 
 anything? it's in the tolbar with 

Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Daniel Miller]

VO focuses just fine for me with quick nav on. Then again, I use J and K to 
move through the tweets.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:06 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys. One thing that should be noted is if you have quicknav on, Voiceover 
> won't for some reason focus on the tweet that you want to either open links 
> or reply to that one tweet. Turning off quicknav will solve the problem. I 
> don't know how many times I've made the mistake of leaving quicknav on and 
> getting frustrated as to why I can't reply or retweet or whatever but turning 
> quicknav off solves this issue. Not sure if it's a Voiceover bug or a bug in 
> Night Owl itself but there's your work around. And before someone says that I 
> can't say that it's a bug with Voiceover since I'm running the beta of El 
> Capitan, I've had this bug in Yosemite so it existed even before El Capitan.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Maatthew Dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Press the letter l to open links.  HTH.
>> 
>> Mattheww
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura Bratton
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: question regarding Night Owl
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>> Thank you,
>> laura 
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Feliciano Godoy]

Hi,
I do not see Apple getting

Regards,rid of the home button on the iOS devices. The physical home button is 
what many people like about the iPhone. Just my $.02 
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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like this 
> deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
> wrong.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>> 
>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
>>> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
>>> to sell new hardware for that.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
 wrote:
 
 Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
 An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
 
 Take care
 
 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
 thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
 fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
 go from here?
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
> Donna
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah,
>> 
>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>> from thursday's event.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
>>> it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
>>> indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
 worthwhile developments?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Editing an flv file

[Mary Otten]

Hello all,

I am sorry for the cross posting. But I am writing this on behalf of a friend 
who is really a Windows user, but who is looking for a way to edit FLV files. 
And he said he was open to the possibility of doing it on a Mac. So, is there a 
way to do this on a mac using voice over?
Mary

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Mary Otten]

Well, there has been speculation in the tech press the last couple of years 
about getting rid of the home button. If it is true that they don't need it for 
touch ID or for accessing multitasking, why have it? The obvious answer as far 
as we are concerned, is that we use it for triple click home. And so do some 
other folks with disabilities. But if that is the only reason for the home 
button, I predict it's gone. Why keep it question they could have more screen 
real estate if they got rid of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I do not see Apple getting
> 
> Regards,rid of the home button on the iOS devices. The physical home button 
> is what many people like about the iPhone. Just my $.02 
> Feliciano
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>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>> wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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RE: iPhone 6S?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I would ask that this thread be continued on the V iPhone list, okay?  

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, there has been speculation in the tech press the last couple of years 
about getting rid of the home button. If it is true that they don't need it for 
touch ID or for accessing multitasking, why have it? The obvious answer as far 
as we are concerned, is that we use it for triple click home. And so do some 
other folks with disabilities. But if that is the only reason for the home 
button, I predict it's gone. Why keep it question they could have more screen 
real estate if they got rid of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I do not see Apple getting
> 
> Regards,rid of the home button on the iOS devices. The physical home 
> button is what many people like about the iPhone. Just my $.02 
> Feliciano For tech tips and updates, LIKE 
> www.facebook.com/theblindman12v Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>> wrong.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> They can always find some way of improving the phone. 
>>> 
>>> Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
 pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t need 
 to sell new hardware for that.
 
 
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to walk. 
> An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
> go from here?
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah,
>>> 
>>> I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s 
>>> plus
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna 
>>> Goodin
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>>> 
>>> Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
>>> from thursday's event.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands on 
 it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give any 
 indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
 
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
> worthwhile developments?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi guys. One thing that should be noted is if you have quicknav on, Voiceover 
won't for some reason focus on the tweet that you want to either open links or 
reply to that one tweet. Turning off quicknav will solve the problem. I don't 
know how many times I've made the mistake of leaving quicknav on and getting 
frustrated as to why I can't reply or retweet or whatever but turning quicknav 
off solves this issue. Not sure if it's a Voiceover bug or a bug in Night Owl 
itself but there's your work around. And before someone says that I can't say 
that it's a bug with Voiceover since I'm running the beta of El Capitan, I've 
had this bug in Yosemite so it existed even before El Capitan.

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Maatthew Dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Press the letter l to open links.  HTH.
> 
> Mattheww
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura Bratton
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: question regarding Night Owl
> 
> Hi All,
> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all of 
> the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, I 
> cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
> Thank you,
> laura 
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Re: right mouse click

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Lowering the tracking speed on the trackpad might also make it less 
susceptible to moving off target when trying to do a control-click. You 
can set that in the trackpad preferences.


CB

On 9/14/15 4:40 PM, george b wrote:

Go into system preffs.
Go to mouse and track pad
Change the right lower corner of your track pad to a right mouse click

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:50
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: right mouse click

OK, how about this.  I presume that you don't have a numpad do you?  If you
do, then you can enable mouse keys, then once done, your numpad 5 becomes
the mouse clicker, so you could then essentially hit ctrl+numpad 5.  Really
that's the only other way I know of.  There might be an unassigned command
that you could map to a keyboard commander, but I'm thinking that the
vo+shift+M is probably going to be as close as you're gonna get, short of
what you're doing already, or using mouse keys.

Sorry to not be of any more help.  Shruggs.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Christina C." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: right mouse click


This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the
contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually
click, but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the
contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse
pointer to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and
than very carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so
accurate and move the mouse pointer by accident :(



On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

VO+shift+M

On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C. 
wrote:



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Re: Apple TV and Bluetooth audio?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Chris, sadly you can't. There are no audio Bluetooth profiles in the current 
Apple TV.
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> On 15/09/2015, at 9:18 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Using a 3rd generation Apple TV with the most up to date software, can one 
> pare the unit with a bluetooth speaker?
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Re: urgent! Thorough and Good back up programs

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Look, to be honest, whatever you do now is risky.

I can help you reinstate a protective MBR, so you can boot back up OS X and 
possibly use BootCamp assistant to blow away your Windows partition so you can 
re-enlarge the OS X partition.  Perhaps you can do it without using Terminal, 
if you try it.  I can’t guarantee that things will work beyond that point, 
though.  In particular, Windows will probably be buggered permanently, because 
with a protective MBR in place Windows won’t be able to boot on anything but 
the newest of Macs.

As I’ve said before, I really think a complete wipe and reinstall will be good 
for you.  Take a backup, do a wipe and reinstall of the OS, then restore your 
backup.  This is clean, simple, and certain.  You’ll get all of your space 
back, and lose Windows.  The next time you install Windows, read the fine 
manual provided with BootCamp, so you know what to expect during the partition 
step.

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[David Chittenden]

Umm, the concept of GPS is backward. The iPhone sends the GPS coordinates to 
the GPS solution, such as AppleMaps, GoogleMaps, BlindSquare, Nivigon, TomTom, 
Etc, and the GPS location software then determines where the device is located.

The accuracy of just the satelites is significantly lower than with satelites 
supplemented by mobile tower triangulation and wifi information.

The only differences between maps on device and maps on internet are: device 
maps are completely private, internet maps are most up-to-date, maps on 
internet are significantly less expensive, maps on internet require data 
connection, maps on device require user updating,.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Sep 2015, at 08:57, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Water proof, dust and shock proof iPhone. On a friend’s wish list, still have 
> A-GPS like now, but also with  stand alone GPS i.e. not A-GPS like now. If 
> you turn off wi-fi and mobile network, you still get the position from for 
> example Blind Square. So, both A-GPS and stand alone GPS. 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 22:38 skrev David Chittenden :
> 
> That is another pattent Apple received earlier this year. Apparently, they 
> figured out a way to have the fingerprint sensor read the print from anywhere 
> on the screen (at least in theory).
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 06:59, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> 
>> The one remaining problem would be, is the touch screen sensitive enough to 
>> work for touch ID?
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> 
>> I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
>> disappeared on several android devices.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
>>> surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
>>> this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the app 
>>> switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if I'm 
>>> wrong.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They can always find some way of improving the phone.
 
 Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 -- 
 
 
 
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
> pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
> need to sell new hardware for that.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
>> walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
>> thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
>> fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do they 
>> go from here?
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
>>> Donna
 On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:
 
 Ah,
 
 I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?
 
 Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways were 
 from thursday's event.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
> on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
> any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi 

Re: right mouse click

[David Chittenden]

This is how I always do it. Be firm, rather than tentative and careful, with 
pressing the touchpad and it works (every time for me).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Sep 2015, at 06:19, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the 
> contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually 
> click, but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the 
> contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse 
> pointer to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and 
> than very carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so 
> accurate and move the mouse pointer by accident :(
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> VO+shift+M
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
> 
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Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wooo!  I don't have a 7.1 capable receiver, but oh, man that would be awesome, 
if I did!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple TV-No Optical Port


  The new Apple TV, which isn't even available to purchase yet, has dropped the 
optical audio out. So the only option is to get your audio via HDMI or send it 
to an airport express with optical audio outputs. They did add 7.1 surround 
sound if you're really into that home theater sound setup.

  CB


  On 9/13/15 2:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Totally forget that option.  The ONLY connections on the Apple TV are as 
follows: 


1.  RJ45 port for ethernet.


2.  HDMI port for connecting to either HDTV or HD capable AV receiver.
3.  MiniUSB.


4.  Optical digital output.




Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!!!



  On Sep 13, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
wrote:


  Hello, 

  I have a question. I know that there are 3.5 mm jack to blue tooth 
adaptors, which I learned a while back. Will this work with the new Apple TV if 
one needed to use an optical cable to rout the Apple TV through their receiver? 
This may be an option for those who are not in the market or can’t afford a new 
blue tooth receiver along with all the new iDevices revealed last Wednesday. 
Input on this would be appreciated. 

  Thanks in advance. 

  Best, 
  Eileen 

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Re: right mouse click

[Daniel Miller]

VO+shift+M
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> How do I perform an actual right mouse click to bring up the contextual menu 
> via the keyboard? I know about VO plus shift Plus spacebar to perform an 
> actual mouse click but I can’t figure out how to do a right mouse click via 
> the keyboard.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Joint cursor movement

[-]

The pointer at the current position when keying around in an
application or menu etc., I call the system cursor.

Does anyone know if it is possible to lock the system and mouse
cursors so they move jointly when keying around?

XB

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh! easy!

Absolutely.

So, provided you're on the tweet, and are interacting with the table, simply 
press the letter l, as in link.  Not command l or anything.  Literally just 
the letter l by itself.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Laura Bratton" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:15 PM
Subject: question regarding Night Owl


Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!

Thank you,
laura

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[May McDonald]

Nope, I've never gotten one to open if it was a picture. I guess it depends on 
how they link the picture. 

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even if it's a picture, it should open, actually.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl
> 
> 
> Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>> Thank you,
>> laura
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right mouse click

[Christina C.]

Hello,

How do I perform an actual right mouse click to bring up the contextual menu 
via the keyboard? I know about VO plus shift Plus spacebar to perform an actual 
mouse click but I can’t figure out how to do a right mouse click via the 
keyboard.

Thanks,
Christina

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Re: right mouse click

[Christina C.]

This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the 
contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually click, 
but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the 
contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse pointer 
to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and than very 
carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so accurate and 
move the mouse pointer by accident :(


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> VO+shift+M
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>> 

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Re: right mouse click

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Christina,

On a Mac, the contextual menu is obtained with a Control-Click. So you bring 
the mouse, hold down the Control key and click the trackpad.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 14 Sep 2015, at 20:19, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the 
> contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually 
> click, but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the 
> contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse 
> pointer to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and 
> than very carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so 
> accurate and move the mouse pointer by accident :(
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> VO+shift+M
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
>>> 
> 
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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Another little tip is, Shift L, I think it is, will open your default 
browser in the background.  Meaning, YoruFukurou will stay in the foreground 
focus, but Safari or whatever will open the link in the background.  Then 
you would command+tab over to Safari when ready.  This is really nice if you 
don't want to pop your focus away from YoruFukurou just quite yet.


So again in summary:

L while on the tweet will open the link in the foreground focus, and shift+L 
will open it in the background.


Please note, I normally don't use shift+L so I might have this command 
slightly wrong.  I'm almost 98% sure it was shift+L though.  If not, then 
look in your menu bar under the tweet menu.  It should be in there with its 
associated shortcut key.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "May McDonald" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl


Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open.

On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  
wrote:


Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has 
provided, I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!

Thank you,
laura

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Even if it's a picture, it should open, actually.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "May McDonald" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl


Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open.

On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  
wrote:


Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has 
provided, I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!

Thank you,
laura

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Was that just a ficticious example, or does F really actually follow 
someone?  If it does, then that! is freaking amazing!  All this time I've 
been going to the drawer to do it!  If that actually works, then you're a 
freaking life saver!


Chris.

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From: "Devin Prater" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl


This may help a lot, but try going through the menues and seeing what 
VoiceOver says after the command. For example, it may say "follow user, f" 
or something like that. But, for viewing links, when focus is on the tweet 
with the link, press l. If this doesn't work, see which key to press by the 
menues.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Laura Bratton  
wrote:


Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has 
provided, I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!

Thank you,
laura

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Michael]

>From my observations, if the image is hosted with Instagram, pressing the 
>letter "L" will open that image. However if the user did it the proper way and 
>uploaded the images directly to Twitter, the letter "L" does nothing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
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> Weird.  I could be wrong, but I could a sworn I got it to work that way.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:43 PM
> Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl
> 
> 
> Nope, I've never gotten one to open if it was a picture. I guess it depends 
> on how they link the picture.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Even if it's a picture, it should open, actually.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl
>> 
>> 
>> Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>>> Thank you,
>>> laura
>>> 
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Re: Joint cursor movement

[erik burggraaf]

To accomplish this:
press control option f8 to open the voiceover utility.
press N for navigation.
Tab to Voiceover cursor follows keyboard focus and check it.
Tab to mouse cursor and set it to follows voiceover cursor.

You're done.

Actually, I like all of these options set.  Never do I ever want to interact 
with the voiceover cursor alone, so I just tie them all together.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:34 AM, -  wrote:
> 
> 
> The pointer at the current position when keying around in an
> application or menu etc., I call the system cursor.
> 
> Does anyone know if it is possible to lock the system and mouse
> cursors so they move jointly when keying around?
> 
> XB
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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Daniel Miller]

That was an example. F favorites a tweet.
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was that just a ficticious example, or does F really actually follow someone? 
>  If it does, then that! is freaking amazing!  All this time I've been going 
> to the drawer to do it!  If that actually works, then you're a freaking life 
> saver!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl
> 
> 
> This may help a lot, but try going through the menues and seeing what 
> VoiceOver says after the command. For example, it may say "follow user, f" or 
> something like that. But, for viewing links, when focus is on the tweet with 
> the link, press l. If this doesn't work, see which key to press by the menues.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>> Thank you,
>> laura
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Old-time Radio listservs

[Tim Emmons]

guys, I have a question and I hope everybody doesn’t mind. I apologize for the 
cross-posting and I know that for some of these lists this is going to be way 
off topic but I wanted to ask and if you want to take clutter off the lists, 
please, email or contact me privately off the list so as to avoid clutter and 
off topic stuff that might ensue. I have rediscovered and fallen in love again, 
with old-time radio. I love listening and finding new programs and when Bard 
went down this is what kept me entertained for hours on top of course, of 
everything else, chasing a two-year old, (my son) and other numerous things. 
Lol. But, I wanted to know if there might be a list or lists out there devoted 
to Old-time Radio, programs, and all that type of thing. I wasn’t sure where to 
look but I’m curious. If anyone can let me know, that would be awesome or point 
me in the direction that would be great. I started using Vintage Radio, an app 
in the App store, and I did their yearly subscription of $19.99 for their whole 
catalog which is huge but I can’t ever get enough of this stuff. Lol. I was a 
member of a list a long long time ago, but life and things in general at the 
time had gotten in the way of getting the cDS back but I don’t know that the 
mp3 CdS make their rounds like they did back in the day, but I’m curious. 
Thanks again guys and if you know of anywhere to point me in the direction 
please let me know. Thanks again and again sorry for the off topic cross posts 
on some places but just trying to get an idea here. Thanks again and take care. 

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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Brent Harding]

The one remaining problem would be, is the touch screen sensitive enough to 
work for touch ID?
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


I think you’re right, I think the home button could definitely go.  It’s 
disappeared on several android devices.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I certainly would not see this as an improvement, but it would not at all 
surprised me if they got rid of the home button next year. It seems like 
this deal with the force touch method of accessing what we now call the 
app switcher is a harbinger of the demise of the home button. Let's see if 
I'm wrong.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

They can always find some way of improving the phone.

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.

Sent from my iPhone

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On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
need to sell new hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg  
wrote:


Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?


Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
:


I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has every 
thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the networks 
fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, where do 
they go from here?



On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways 
were from thursday's event.

Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
wrote:


Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their hands 
on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those don’t give 
any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D Touch, naturally.


On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  
wrote:


Hi all,

Just wondering what people have heard about the iPhone 6S.  Any 
worthwhile developments?

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: right mouse click

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

She tried that already.  Apparently, her finger is moving on the trackpad 
just enough where she gets a bit off kilter and therefore doesn't right 
click the correct thing.  I could see where this would be very irritating.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Robertson" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: right mouse click


Hello Christina,

On a Mac, the contextual menu is obtained with a Control-Click. So you bring 
the mouse, hold down the Control key and click the trackpad.


Cheers,

Anne



On 14 Sep 2015, at 20:19, Christina C.  wrote:

This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up 
the contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to 
actually click, but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to 
bring up the contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing 
the mouse pointer to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the 
control key and than very carefully trying to click the track pad but 
sometimes I am not so accurate and move the mouse pointer by accident :(




On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

VO+shift+M
On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  
wrote:




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Re: right mouse click

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, how about this.  I presume that you don't have a numpad do you?  If you 
do, then you can enable mouse keys, then once done, your numpad 5 becomes 
the mouse clicker, so you could then essentially hit ctrl+numpad 5.  Really 
that's the only other way I know of.  There might be an unassigned command 
that you could map to a keyboard commander, but I'm thinking that the 
vo+shift+M is probably going to be as close as you're gonna get, short of 
what you're doing already, or using mouse keys.


Sorry to not be of any more help.  Shruggs.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Christina C." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: right mouse click


This is not an actual click of the mouse pointer. yes, it does bring up the 
contextual menu in some instances. I need the mouse pointer to actually 
click, but I need the “right click” Sometimes the vo command to bring up the 
contextual menu does not work. I do try the trick of routing the mouse 
pointer to the voiceOver cursor and then holding down the control key and 
than very carefully trying to click the track pad but sometimes I am not so 
accurate and move the mouse pointer by accident :(




On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

VO+shift+M
On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Christina C.  
wrote:




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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh yeah.  Trueness.  I forgot about that.  Boy, I'm really! having an off 
day!


LOL!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl


That was an example. F favorites a tweet.
On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Was that just a ficticious example, or does F really actually follow 
someone?  If it does, then that! is freaking amazing!  All this time I've 
been going to the drawer to do it!  If that actually works, then you're a 
freaking life saver!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Devin Prater" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl


This may help a lot, but try going through the menues and seeing what 
VoiceOver says after the command. For example, it may say "follow user, f" 
or something like that. But, for viewing links, when focus is on the tweet 
with the link, press l. If this doesn't work, see which key to press by 
the menues.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Laura Bratton  
wrote:


Hi All,
I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that 
someone has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going 
through all of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone 
has provided, I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be 
great!

Thank you,
laura

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Apple keyboard on ubuntu system not writing correct characters.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use an apple keyboard on my linux pc.
I can not type some characters correctly in the cli and elswhere.
How do i do a vertical bar on the apple keyboard.
On my  pc keyboard i do alt gr and <.
But this does not bring up the vertical bar it does bring up ≤ sign.
/A

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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Daniel Miller]

May is correct, pictures don’t open when you press L. I’ve never gotten one to 
open either.
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:43 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Nope, I've never gotten one to open if it was a picture. I guess it depends 
> on how they link the picture. 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Even if it's a picture, it should open, actually.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl
>> 
>> 
>> Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>>> Thank you,
>>> laura
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Re: iPhone 6S?

[Brent Harding]

I think Apple has improved the speaker considerably as compared to the 4S up 
to the 6. I imagine that the HTC phones are probably considerably thicker 
though. I think it might be at a point where the only way to increase the 
quality of the speaker is to make it physically bigger in size. I know that 
I needed to turn it down as compared to the volume setting that restored 
from the backup of the old 4S when I got my 6.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all the 
time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music listening, 
or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker would be 
discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 years. I do own 
an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any phone to come close to 
the sound of those phones.  However, when just listening to the phone, 
casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC has done it for two years now. 
My husbands phone is certainly not huge by today's standards. I don't have a 
6S plus. But I have held one in my hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that 
his phone is  smaller than the 6S.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth speaker 
or headset or the included headphones not the internal speaker.  Wouldn’t 
a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s the use case here that 
makes you want improved audio natively?


Good response btw.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already been 
mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there is one 
thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do like HTC 
does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting a home 
theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and the sound 
that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. Apple has never 
put really good speakers in any of its tablets or phones. That is a place 
where they could stand some major improvement.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs that 
it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

They can always find some way of improving the phone.

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.

Sent from my iPhone

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On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version is a 
pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but you don’t 
need to sell new hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg 
 wrote:


Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads to 
walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with Voice Over?


Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
:


I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has 
every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all the 
networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit processor, NFC, 
where do they go from here?


On Sep 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  
wrote:


Well, you'll have to let us know what you think!
Donna

On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:21 AM, george b  wrote:

Ah,

I got it, so I think it is awesome and I already ordered a 6s plus

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 06:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?

Well, that's certainly true.  I just wondered what the take-aways 
were from thursday's event.

Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller  
wrote:


Hi,

We really won’t know anything until people actually get their 
hands on it on the 25th. There are hands-on articles, but those 
don’t give any indication of how voiceover will work with 3D 
Touch, naturally.


On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Donna Goodin  
wrote:


Hi all,

Just wondering 

Re: iPhone 6S?

[Brent Harding]

Android tends to do those short vibrations at times when you flick through 
things, but you can't pinpoint it to any spot on the screen. I think 
something like this would hit the iPads first though. I heard on some tech 
shows about touch screen mixing consoles for radio, and for that, making 
something that felt like the old faders and knobs might be useful to some.


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone 6S?


I don’t know, sounds kind of wanky to me especially if being generated with 
one vibrating motor only deep inside the phone.  I’d be open to seeing it 
demonstrated though if someone came up with such a thing.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

They'd just have to have a way for a single vibration thing to a point on 
screen. It'd vibrate at different speeds to show different textures, so 
that people could feel buttons, game controls and such.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Unless there is some reason for a tactile display other than just for us, 
I don't see them doing it. It would have to be very cheap to do, or 
there's no use case for it. There aren't enough of us. But maybe with 
software?

Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

They could add a tactile display, so that the iPhone could be a braille 
display of itself.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Other than "because they can", my use case is simply that I don't 
necessarily want to haul around a Bluetooth speaker or use headsets all 
the time. I don't use headsets for anything but really serious music 
listening, or when I am out and about, in public, and using the speaker 
would be discourteous in the extreme. I used them for my work for 28 
years. I do own an excellent pair, and I certainly don't expect any 
phone to come close to the sound of those phones.  However, when just 
listening to the phone, casually, I would love decent sound. And HTC 
has done it for two years now. My husbands phone is certainly not huge 
by today's standards. I don't have a 6S plus. But I have held one in my 
hand, a 6S that is, and I'm thinking that his phone is  smaller than 
the 6S.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I have no idea why people want these bulky internal speakers.  It’s an 
interesting request but to me that seems like a waste of space for no 
gain.  If I want to listen to sound on my phone I use a bluetooth 
speaker or headset or the included headphones not the internal 
speaker.  Wouldn’t a good quality sound dock make more sense?  What’s 
the use case here that makes you want improved audio natively?


Good response btw.


On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Aside from a breakthrough and battery technology, which has already 
been mentioned and is not under apples control I don't guess, there 
is one thing I would love to see Apple do with its phone. That is, do 
like HTC does and put decent speakers on the phone. I'm not expecting 
a home theater experience on my phone. But my husband has an HTC, and 
the sound that comes from that phone is really good for a phone. 
Apple has never put really good speakers in any of its tablets or 
phones. That is a place where they could stand some major 
improvement.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:09 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:


I’m sure they will I’m just trying to think what they will add.  It’s 
not like I can think of new features the phone needs.:)  There will 
always be faster processors ok there’s one, faster networking, there’s 
2, then it thins out quick.  What would I add that the phone needs 
that it doesn’t have?  Not much I can think of.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:02 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:

They can always find some way of improving the phone.

Remember this device generated $102 billion last quarter.

Sent from my iPhone

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On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:00 pm, Scott Granados 
 wrote:


I don’t know what they can do on the hardware side.  This version 
is a pretty complete device.  The software has possibilities but 
you don’t need to sell new hardware for that.



On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Terje Strømberg 
 wrote:


Agree, good uppgrade. Where do we go from here? Still many roads 
to walk. An iPhone car on battery completely accessible with 
Voice Over?


Take care

14. sep. 2015 kl. 14:48 skrev Scott Granados 
:


I really don’t see what they will add after this.  The phone has 
every thing now.  A really solid radio finally that works on all 
the networks fully, a nice high end camera, fast 64 bit 

Re: right mouse click

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Vo+shift+M.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Christina C." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: right mouse click


Hello,

How do I perform an actual right mouse click to bring up the contextual menu 
via the keyboard? I know about VO plus shift Plus spacebar to perform an 
actual mouse click but I can’t figure out how to do a right mouse click via 
the keyboard.


Thanks,
Christina

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