RE: to Jeff burwick and anyone else experienceing the alarm and volume discrepancy

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes I noticed this on my iPod which I use as my alarm,
An older iPod is a lower volume and then the iPod 6 gen with IOS 10 is loud for 
the alarm and then turning that off it goest to normal volume again.

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 5:12 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: to Jeff burwick and anyone else experienceing the alarm and volume 
discrepancy

My Audio docking is off and it still happens, the alarm and voice over 
increases as the alarm goes off.
On 24 Sep 2016, at 04:58, Rachel Feinberg 
> wrote:

Hi all,


Earlier this week, a thread came up about iOS alarms not holding to the same 
volume as the regular phone. I also have experienced this, and what I've found 
to abliterate the alarm woes is to turn off audio ducking. that will then keep 
the volume at the same level as everything else.

to do this:

go to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover>audio>audio ducking and switch 
it to "off".

HTH,

Rachel.

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RE: found IOS 10 bugs

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

I couldn’t find the return to call button when I went through this process
Could only find the number pad and the associated call keypad etc buttons at 
the bottom.
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Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:59 PM
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Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs

I’ve had to do this when joining conference calls before.
hope it helps.
On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

So with the second one, the return to call button,

You mean tap it even though I’m still in the call  and it will give me back the 
key pad functionality?

Might give that a try now with the thing I was doing earlier.

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Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs

I seen the second one; don’t have phone with me so can’t check the first one.
When the second one happens, double tap “return to call” on the status bar and 
then use that keypad.

On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi list,

Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
oddities.

Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
used to,

I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.

It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.

Is anyone else seeing the same thing?

The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to setup 
a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone had 
locked the screan while I was talking

When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
Another oddity,
Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices

Cheers,


Simon F


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RE: found IOS 10 bugs

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Which phone do you have?
Interesting that It’s coming up as button to me but no delete with it,
Yet your finding it with the delete
The location is as it’s been for some time and that is as you say to the right 
of the edit field for the phone number.

Cheers,


Simon

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On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs

Hi Simon,
Regarding your first bug with the delete button, I am finding something that 
says delete  that was not identified as a button, to the right of the area 
where the number is being entered as you enter a phone number. Double tapping 
on this  deletes the last number you entered. I'm not finding any unlabeled 
buttons, just the keypad with the call button below zero and save his contact 
and the phone number being entered and this delete thing at the top

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi list,

Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
oddities.

Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
used to,

I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.

It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.

Is anyone else seeing the same thing?

The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to setup 
a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone had 
locked the screan while I was talking

When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
Another oddity,
Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices

Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: to Jeff burwick and anyone else experienceing the alarm and volume discrepancy

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

My Audio docking is off and it still happens, the alarm and voice over 
increases as the alarm goes off.
> On 24 Sep 2016, at 04:58, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> Earlier this week, a thread came up about iOS alarms not holding to the same 
> volume as the regular phone. I also have experienced this, and what I've 
> found to abliterate the alarm woes is to turn off audio ducking. that will 
> then keep the volume at the same level as everything else.
> 
> to do this:
> 
> go to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover>audio>audio ducking and switch 
> it to "off".
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Rachel.
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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Michael Babcock]

I’ve had to do this when joining conference calls before.
hope it helps.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So with the second one, the return to call button,
>  
> You mean tap it even though I’m still in the call  and it will give me back 
> the key pad functionality?
>  
> Might give that a try now with the thing I was doing earlier.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs
>  
> I seen the second one; don’t have phone with me so can’t check the first one.
> When the second one happens, double tap “return to call” on the status bar 
> and then use that keypad.
>  
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon,
Regarding your first bug with the delete button, I am finding something that 
says delete  that was not identified as a button, to the right of the area 
where the number is being entered as you enter a phone number. Double tapping 
on this  deletes the last number you entered. I'm not finding any unlabeled 
buttons, just the keypad with the call button below zero and save his contact 
and the phone number being entered and this delete thing at the top

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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RE: found IOS 10 bugs

[Simon Fogarty]

So with the second one, the return to call button,

You mean tap it even though I’m still in the call  and it will give me back the 
key pad functionality?

Might give that a try now with the thing I was doing earlier.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Babcock
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 4:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: found IOS 10 bugs

I seen the second one; don’t have phone with me so can’t check the first one.
When the second one happens, double tap “return to call” on the status bar and 
then use that keypad.

On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi list,

Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
oddities.

Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
used to,

I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.

It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.

Is anyone else seeing the same thing?

The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to setup 
a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone had 
locked the screan while I was talking

When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
Another oddity,
Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices

Cheers,


Simon F


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Re: found IOS 10 bugs

[Michael Babcock]

I seen the second one; don’t have phone with me so can’t check the first one.
When the second one happens, double tap “return to call” on the status bar and 
then use that keypad.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
>  
> Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I’ve just found a couple of 
> oddities.
>  
> Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
> used to,
>  
> I’m sure in the public beta it said delete but can’t be sure of that one.
>  
> It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.
>  
> Is anyone else seeing the same thing?
>  
> The second thing I’ve noticed is that during a phone call where I had to 
> setup a pin number for something  during the call I hadn’t noticed my phone 
> had locked the screan while I was talking
>  
> When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
> was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
> giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
> Another oddity,
> Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
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RE: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah ios 10.2 is out and installed but nothing for watch OS,

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Subject: Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

Hi Scott,

I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
only.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
> lot of these are bug fixes.
> 
> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
> 
> Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
> normal update mechanism.
> 
> Good luck.
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found IOS 10 bugs

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi list,

Not sure if this is just me on my iPhone 6s+ but I've just found a couple of 
oddities.

Firstly the delete button on the phone keypad says button not delete like it 
used to,

I'm sure in the public beta it said delete but can't be sure of that one.

It is still there just not labelled and it works fine.

Is anyone else seeing the same thing?

The second thing I've noticed is that during a phone call where I had to setup 
a pin number for something  during the call I hadn't noticed my phone had 
locked the screan while I was talking

When I had to insert my pin code details I unlocked the phone and the keypad 
was no longer being picked up as as having the keys pressed  yet the pad was 
giving the tones each time the keys were touched.
Another oddity,
Just wondering if this is happening with anyone else on other devices

Cheers,


Simon F

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to Jeff burwick and anyone else experienceing the alarm and volume discrepancy

[Rachel Feinberg]

Hi all,


Earlier this week, a thread came up about iOS alarms not holding to the 
same volume as the regular phone. I also have experienced this, and what 
I've found to abliterate the alarm woes is to turn off audio ducking. 
that will then keep the volume at the same level as everything else.


to do this:

go to settings>general>accessibility>voiceover>audio>audio ducking and 
switch it to "off".


HTH,

Rachel.

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Reading paragraphs?

[Traci Duncan]

HI ALL, I TYPICALLY USE ITEXT EXPRESS FOR CREATING AND READING DOCUMENTS.  I 
NOTICE IN SIERRA, READING VIA PARAGRAPH IS NOT AN OPTION ANYMORE.  IS THERE A 
WAY I CAN CHANGE THIS?  I SEE WINDOW SPOTS, CHARACTERS, WORDS, NAVIGATION.

THANK YOU,
TRACI
PS. LOL, FOR SOME REASON I CANNOT CAPITOLIZE THINGS.  I JUST TRIED TO 
CAPITOLIZE MY NAME AND COULD NOT.  WEIRD.  

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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Daniel Miller]

The reason it gives you the option of installing a profile on the watch is 
because the watch is paired with the iPhone. There’s no watch profile for 
public beta testers, so that article clearly doesn’t know what it’s talking 
about.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, when I logged in to the public beta site with the iPhone it gave 
> me the option to update both the phone profile and the watch.  I did not 
> touch the watch update.
> 
> I am not a developer to be clear I participate in the public only.  Redmond 
> pie also included the watch update in their press release.  I can provide the 
> link if requested.
> 
> 
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>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
>> only.
>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release 
>>> a lot of these are bug fixes.
>>> 
>>> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
>>> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
>>> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
>>> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
>>> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
>>> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
>>> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
>>> 
>>> Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
>>> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via 
>>> the normal update mechanism.
>>> 
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Re: How to change the voice over voice without going into the VO utility

[Mary Otten]

Thanks John, I am sorry I hadn't found that before I posted my unnecessary 
question. At least your answer help someone else too.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:45 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>VO-command-arrows will change voice parameters.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just upgraded my Mac to Sierra, and everything seems to have gone without 
>> a hitch. However, I just know there was a keyboard command involving the use 
>> of the arrows and some combination of shift control command etc., but let 
>> you change the voice being used by voiceover on the fly, without having to 
>> go into the utility and change the default or content voices at Cetera. I 
>> haven't been using my Mac all that much for any foreign language stuff 
>> lately, mostly using the phone. But I do have some things on the Mac in 
>> Russian, and I wanted to quickly be able to move between my English and 
>> Russian voices. And I cannot find the keyboard command to do it. I've been 
>> through voiceover commands help. No joy. I know I am missing something 
>> obvious here.
>> Mary
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Disregard my voice change question

[Mary Otten]

I found an article using Google that was a couple of years old, that had the 
answer. I thought I had tried all the possible key combinations, but I missed 
one. The one I needed of course. Voiceover voice Rotor command control option 
left arrow.
Mary


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Re: How to change the voice over voice without going into the VO utility

[Scott Granados]

John, that’s a fantastic shortcut, thank you for posting.  Much appreciated.


> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:45 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>VO-command-arrows will change voice parameters.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> 
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> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just upgraded my Mac to Sierra, and everything seems to have gone without 
>> a hitch. However, I just know there was a keyboard command involving the use 
>> of the arrows and some combination of shift control command etc., but let 
>> you change the voice being used by voiceover on the fly, without having to 
>> go into the utility and change the default or content voices at Cetera. I 
>> haven't been using my Mac all that much for any foreign language stuff 
>> lately, mostly using the phone. But I do have some things on the Mac in 
>> Russian, and I wanted to quickly be able to move between my English and 
>> Russian voices. And I cannot find the keyboard command to do it. I've been 
>> through voiceover commands help. No joy. I know I am missing something 
>> obvious here.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to change the voice over voice without going into the VO utility

[John Panarese]

   VO-command-arrows will change voice parameters.


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> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I just upgraded my Mac to Sierra, and everything seems to have gone without a 
> hitch. However, I just know there was a keyboard command involving the use of 
> the arrows and some combination of shift control command etc., but let you 
> change the voice being used by voiceover on the fly, without having to go 
> into the utility and change the default or content voices at Cetera. I 
> haven't been using my Mac all that much for any foreign language stuff 
> lately, mostly using the phone. But I do have some things on the Mac in 
> Russian, and I wanted to quickly be able to move between my English and 
> Russian voices. And I cannot find the keyboard command to do it. I've been 
> through voiceover commands help. No joy. I know I am missing something 
> obvious here.
> Mary
> 
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How to change the voice over voice without going into the VO utility

[Mary Otten]

I just upgraded my Mac to Sierra, and everything seems to have gone without a 
hitch. However, I just know there was a keyboard command involving the use of 
the arrows and some combination of shift control command etc., but let you 
change the voice being used by voiceover on the fly, without having to go into 
the utility and change the default or content voices at Cetera. I haven't been 
using my Mac all that much for any foreign language stuff lately, mostly using 
the phone. But I do have some things on the Mac in Russian, and I wanted to 
quickly be able to move between my English and Russian voices. And I cannot 
find the keyboard command to do it. I've been through voiceover commands help. 
No joy. I know I am missing something obvious here.
Mary


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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Scott Granados]

Well, I would have guessed considering how much I’ve seen in reports of over 
all internet traffic.:)

Did you know porn was used to help motivate the adoption of IPV6?  There was 
free porn made available at one point and the only way to access it was to 
deploy IPV6 in your network.:)
 


> On Sep 23, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Like betta and VHS,
> 
> Who would have thought the porn industry was that powerfull.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 10:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?
> 
> Yes, HD-DVD, that standard died off for the most part.  It was an interesting 
> battle actually.  The funny thing is what pushed the blue ray standard over 
> the top.  The porn industry adopted blue ray and that was all she wrote.  
> Between Porn and sony putting the blue ray in the play station it was a done 
> deal.
> .
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
>> 
>> you mean hd dvd don't you scott?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/22/2016 8:27 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I’m all for open standards.  USB-C would be a good one for now.  Not sure 
>>> it will remove the need for dongles because there’s a lot of gear people 
>>> will want backwards compatibility for but at least we won’t be reliving any 
>>> number of countless battles like the VHS V. Beta, Blue Rey Verses (that 
>>> other one nobody remembers), AC verses DC, and on and on.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
 
 We should all adopt some nonproprietary tech and be done yes. USBC maybe 
 if that's an open standard. Or something else. Forcing people to one or 2 
 options is never helpful. At the rate they remove ports until we have free 
 energy we're stuck with a lot of dongles it seems.
 
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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Scott Granados]

Interesting, when I logged in to the public beta site with the iPhone it gave 
me the option to update both the phone profile and the watch.  I did not touch 
the watch update.
 
I am not a developer to be clear I participate in the public only.  Redmond pie 
also included the watch update in their press release.  I can provide the link 
if requested.

 

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
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> Hi Scott,
> 
> I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
> only.
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
>> lot of these are bug fixes.
>> 
>> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
>> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
>> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
>> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
>> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
>> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
>> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
>> 
>> Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
>> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
>> normal update mechanism.
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Re: Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Scott,

I wanted to correct you on something, the watchOS 3.1 beta is for developers 
only.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
> lot of these are bug fixes.
> 
> Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to 
> install there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait 
> here about 10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over 
> status update.  Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees 
> the apple and a percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait 
> another 10 to 20 minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll 
> authenticate automatically if you’re using the watch.
> 
> Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
> file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
> normal update mechanism.
> 
> Good luck.
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Re: Dictation and speech with Sierra?

[Daniel Miller]

Dictation is in the keyboard pane of system preferences.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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> Hi Kliff. I can't say for sure where the dictation part is, but speech has 
> been moved to accessibility.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Charlie Doremus > > wrote:
>> 
>> That is correct.
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Blee Blat > > wrote:
>> I believe the dictation and speech settings have been moved to the keyboard 
>> preferences. It's another tab next to the input tab.
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RE: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Simon Fogarty]

Like betta and VHS,

Who would have thought the porn industry was that powerfull.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 10:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

Yes, HD-DVD, that standard died off for the most part.  It was an interesting 
battle actually.  The funny thing is what pushed the blue ray standard over the 
top.  The porn industry adopted blue ray and that was all she wrote.  Between 
Porn and sony putting the blue ray in the play station it was a done deal.
.


> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> you mean hd dvd don't you scott?
> 
> 
> On 9/22/2016 8:27 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I’m all for open standards.  USB-C would be a good one for now.  Not sure it 
>> will remove the need for dongles because there’s a lot of gear people will 
>> want backwards compatibility for but at least we won’t be reliving any 
>> number of countless battles like the VHS V. Beta, Blue Rey Verses (that 
>> other one nobody remembers), AC verses DC, and on and on.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We should all adopt some nonproprietary tech and be done yes. USBC maybe if 
>>> that's an open standard. Or something else. Forcing people to one or 2 
>>> options is never helpful. At the rate they remove ports until we have free 
>>> energy we're stuck with a lot of dongles it seems.
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RE: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Simon Fogarty]

128 is heaps of space to install mac osx 

 The mac book air has that as a default size 
The OS installs to approx. 16 gig infact less than 16 gig so you should be fine 
with the 128gig drive in your mac mini,

 You could also see if the older sata drive can be left in your mac mini as a 
storage drive so OS on the ssd and files etc on your sata drive.

 Good luck with the modifications hope it works for you.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 9:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini 
and macbook pro

THanks all for your advices,
BUt my SSD which I have on my old windows Laptop was 128 GB, is it enough? or I 
should buy bigger 1?

On 9/23/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  Hi Ramy,
>
> As tim has most likely said
> Any ssd is fine but it's getting it into the machine that is the hard part.
>
>  I've taken one mac mini apart and I wont do it again, It was a 
> nightmare trying to get things into the space without breaking things.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 6:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both 
> Mac mini and macbook pro
>
> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for 
> apple machines?
>
>
> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in 
>> access speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster 
>> than a spinning HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading 
>> times and some processing times.  For example, when I changed my 
>> MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared 
>> in less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it 
>> took prior to the SSD installation.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book 
>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has 
>> the original Sata Hd.
>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice 
>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to 
>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my 
>> mac mini?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Abbyy find reader pro for Mac now supports sierra

[Mary Otten]

I got an update in the Mac App Store today for my Abby fine reader pro, so I'm 
updating. The note that came with the update sent it supports the Sierra. For 
those of you who have been waiting, your wait is over.
Mary


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Re: Getting rid of podcasts in the iTunes app on the Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Haven't done this in a while, but normally, I would just navigate to the 
podcast episode then press Backspace to delete it.  If you wish to Unsubscribe, 
you should be able to do this from either of two places.  In the Podcasts 
table, not the Episodes table, you can press VO-shift-m to bring up the 
Contextual menu.  The Unsubscribe option is in there.  Alternatively, in the 
Header area for the podcast, press on the Settings button and your subscription 
details are configurable there.

HTH.

Later...
Contextual menu for the podcast.  
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 14:50, Mary Otten  wrote:

I recently subscribed to a few podcasts using the Podcasts app on my iPhone. It 
is set not to download anything. Therefore, I was quite surprised when I open 
my Mac today to iTunes and stuff was downloading. It turns out, that several 
Podcasts had been downloaded. Now I want to get rid of all of them. I did not 
want any podcasts on my Mac. This seems to be kind of complicated I would like 
to get rid of all of the unplayed episodes and unsubscribe to all of the 
podcast, until I can figure out a way to subscribe on my phone and not have 
things carry over to the Mac. I have seen tables and action menus that have 
unsubscribe, which I did, and delete, which didn't seem to do anything. Is 
there a universal quick and easy one click bang and they're all gone method to 
do this? It just works doesn't seem to be happening here.
Mary


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Re: do i want firewire to ethernet or USB to ethernet?

[Scott Granados]

Yes, HD-DVD, that standard died off for the most part.  It was an interesting 
battle actually.  The funny thing is what pushed the blue ray standard over the 
top.  The porn industry adopted blue ray and that was all she wrote.  Between 
Porn and sony putting the blue ray in the play station it was a done deal.
.


> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> you mean hd dvd don't you scott?
> 
> 
> On 9/22/2016 8:27 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I’m all for open standards.  USB-C would be a good one for now.  Not sure it 
>> will remove the need for dongles because there’s a lot of gear people will 
>> want backwards compatibility for but at least we won’t be reliving any 
>> number of countless battles like the VHS V. Beta, Blue Rey Verses (that 
>> other one nobody remembers), AC verses DC, and on and on.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We should all adopt some nonproprietary tech and be done yes. USBC maybe if 
>>> that's an open standard. Or something else. Forcing people to one or 2 
>>> options is never helpful. At the rate they remove ports until we have free 
>>> energy we're stuck with a lot of dongles it seems.
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Scott Granados]

Hi Ramy, 128 GB is a decent amount of space.  Some of the Air line for example 
was in that size.

Now, of course, more is better if you can afford it and another qualifier is if 
you have some means of external storage.  In my case I have network attached 
storage so all my machines  store data on the remote disk and use their local 
drives for programs and operating systems, the frequently accessed items.  If 
you have an arrangement like this you need less local storage.  

Hope that helps.  Only you know best how much data you use.

 


> On Sep 23, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> THanks all for your advices,
> BUt my SSD which I have on my old windows Laptop was 128 GB, is it
> enough? or I should buy bigger 1?
> 
> On 9/23/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> As tim has most likely said
>> Any ssd is fine but it's getting it into the machine that is the hard part.
>> 
>> I've taken one mac mini apart and I wont do it again,
>> It was a nightmare trying to get things into the space without breaking
>> things.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 6:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac
>> mini and macbook pro
>> 
>> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for apple
>> machines?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in
>>> access speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster
>>> than a spinning HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading
>>> times and some processing times.  For example, when I changed my
>>> MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in
>>> less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior
>>> to the SSD installation.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>>> the original Sata Hd.
>>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>>> mini?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Ramy,

It all depends on how much data you normally save to your drive.  The MacOS 
will fit fine on a 128 GB SSD with lots of space for regular data.  If you 
start putting lots of media like music, movies etc on it, then 128 may be a 
little tight.  The MacOS normally uses 20 to 40 GB, so you can make your 
decision from there.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 15:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

THanks all for your advices,
BUt my SSD which I have on my old windows Laptop was 128 GB, is it
enough? or I should buy bigger 1?

On 9/23/16, Simon Fogarty > 
wrote:
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> As tim has most likely said
> Any ssd is fine but it's getting it into the machine that is the hard part.
> 
> I've taken one mac mini apart and I wont do it again,
> It was a nightmare trying to get things into the space without breaking
> things.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 6:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac
> mini and macbook pro
> 
> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for apple
> machines?
> 
> 
> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in
>> access speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster
>> than a spinning HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading
>> times and some processing times.  For example, when I changed my
>> MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in
>> less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior
>> to the SSD installation.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>> the original Sata Hd.
>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>> mini?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>> 
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

THanks all for your advices,
BUt my SSD which I have on my old windows Laptop was 128 GB, is it
enough? or I should buy bigger 1?

On 9/23/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>  Hi Ramy,
>
> As tim has most likely said
> Any ssd is fine but it's getting it into the machine that is the hard part.
>
>  I've taken one mac mini apart and I wont do it again,
> It was a nightmare trying to get things into the space without breaking
> things.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 6:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac
> mini and macbook pro
>
> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for apple
> machines?
>
>
> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in
>> access speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster
>> than a spinning HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading
>> times and some processing times.  For example, when I changed my
>> MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in
>> less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior
>> to the SSD installation.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>> the original Sata Hd.
>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>> mini?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>
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RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Scott,

 Not sure about calling ramy old, but yeah good work to all with helping.

 Makes things easier for all when we pitch in and assist.

 Yeah installing macs is great,

I was a windows user till a few years ago but now I do more with the mac OS 
than windows 
Although I'm still a heavy windows user.
But my boss now comes to me for support on his mac and he's been using them for 
20 plus years.

 Go figure it's just so easy to pick things up.Hopefully this time next month 
I've got a mac OS cert under my belt.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 9:33 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via ; Ramy 
Moustafa 
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

Hey Ramy, congratulations on getting squared away.  DOn’t hesitate to ask 
questions here it’s a pleasure to help you out and soon you’ll be an old hand 
and able to help the next person starting out with the Mac.

Good news is here that this whole process is accessible to us.  Can’t do this 
sort of thing with Windows nearly as easily although that hopefully will change 
soon.

Let us know how your doing and great on your success.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all my friends:
> I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
> Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain 
> lion which it was shipped with.
> and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help
> 
> 
> On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> I can't believe myself,
>> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
>> I discovered, the issue.
>> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the 
>> table of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
>> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
>> anyway.
>> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
>> Thanks for your continus help
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window 
>>> that's on your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed 
>>> buttons?
>>> Progress
>>> bars? Anything?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 
>>> hours I have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains 
>>> just one window install OS window this is the only window so I don't 
>>> know if it's downloading or not
>>> 
>>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so 
>>> don't know what's going on.thank you.
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
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>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named 
 your volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if 
 the disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently 
 but the above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> > wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose 
> reinstalling OS or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my 
> data on my Mac it's D if I choose reinstall when it's remove my 
> data? I need to make clean in the store.thank you
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs 
>> or install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is 
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll 
>> use your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty 
>> straight forward.
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so 

Re: Verizon Fios or Vios and wireless performance

[Scott Granados]

Jonathan, it’s my considered technical opinion that the verizon router sucks 
the big one.:)

Now there are several types, mine is some sort of Quantum gateway. In my setup 
I have the router doing the routing and the airport Extreme as the access point.

You can use your own router but you have to plug the FIOS router in to your new 
router and forward a few ports so you get your television guide on the set top 
boxes.   That or find one that has a coax port.

Hope that helps.
 



> On Sep 22, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
>   When we got Verizon service last year they required us to get their 
> router / modem combo. does anybody know what flavor of 802.11 their routers 
> support? I would be thinking my 6 year old Airport Extreme 802.11N (first gen 
> with N ) would be outperformed by Verizon's latest greatest router, but I get 
> shxx poor performance when my Mac's attempt to connect to the v*5X wireless 
> lan in the house. Should I attempt to do some wireless tuning, or just expect 
> the old AirPort Extreme is really better. 
> 
> Thanks,
> ,  wireless.
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
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Re: capitalone app

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

The 360 bank is what I use. It has always worked before.
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I know Mark has mentioned he’s a capital one bank user and may be able to 
> provide some info here.  I’ve only used the credit card app which has had 
> it’s accessibility issues addressed again thanks to mark and others writing 
> in to raise the concern.
> 
> Maybe if he catches this thread he can offer some wisdom here.
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
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>> Hi:
>> Has anyone figured out how to transfer money between accounts? As soon as I 
>> double tap done, the app is completely unaccessible!
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RE: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Simon Fogarty]

 Hi Ramy,

As tim has most likely said 
Any ssd is fine but it's getting it into the machine that is the hard part.

 I've taken one mac mini apart and I wont do it again,
It was a nightmare trying to get things into the space without breaking things.


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On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 6:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini 
and macbook pro

Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for apple 
machines?


On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in 
> access speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster 
> than a spinning HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading 
> times and some processing times.  For example, when I changed my 
> MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in 
> less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to 
> the SSD installation.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book 
> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has 
> the original Sata Hd.
> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice 
> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to 
> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac 
> mini?
> Thanks
>
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Re: Dictation and speech with Sierra?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Kliff. I can't say for sure where the dictation part is, but speech has been 
moved to accessibility.

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> On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Charlie Doremus  wrote:
> 
> That is correct.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Blee Blat  > wrote:
> I believe the dictation and speech settings have been moved to the keyboard 
> preferences. It's another tab next to the input tab.
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RE: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

When the installer goes to start installing,

Hit cancel and stop the installation.

 Then under your applications folder find the osX sierra installer file and 
copy it on to a usb device to transfer it to your other machine then do the 
copy and paste in to that machines applications folder and it will allow you to 
install on both,

If you don't grab the installer before the installation starts the file gets 
removed once installation has finished.

Good luck.

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Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

Hello all:
now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install sierra 
on both, but don't want to download it twice.
so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer in the 
downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the installer from 
downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?

my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini, can I use 
this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1 hd for each machine? 
of cores each machine will have it's own apps, and I don't want  the apps to be 
on both? the backup will different from 1 to another because, my macmini is for 
my studio it has pro tools etc.
and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the VMware  that I 
don't need in my studio.
Thanks

Thanks


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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Hey Ramy, congratulations on getting squared away.  DOn’t hesitate to ask 
questions here it’s a pleasure to help you out and soon you’ll be an old hand 
and able to help the next person starting out with the Mac.

Good news is here that this whole process is accessible to us.  Can’t do this 
sort of thing with Windows nearly as easily although that hopefully will change 
soon.

Let us know how your doing and great on your success.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all my friends:
> I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
> Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
> lion which it was shipped with.
> and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help
> 
> 
> On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> I can't believe myself,
>> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
>> I discovered, the issue.
>> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
>> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
>> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
>> anyway.
>> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
>> Thanks for your continus help
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's
>>> on
>>> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?
>>> Progress
>>> bars? Anything?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
>>> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one
>>> window
>>> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
>>> downloading or not
>>> 
>>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't
>>> know
>>> what's going on.thank you.
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
 disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
 above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
> I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
> store.thank you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
>> forward.
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>>> his
>>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>>> Thank
>>> you so much.
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
 available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
 over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
 Remember
 once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
 command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
 always 

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Ramy,

Hi,

Great to hear you've got it working,

 And yes I forgot all about that issue.

 I have to found that vo wont automatically speak the drive table when it comes 
up.

 I had to turn vo off and on to get it to see things correctly.

 It's an easy fix when you know about it.



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Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

Hello all my friends:
I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain lion 
which it was shipped with.
and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help


On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> I can't believe myself,
> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
> I discovered, the issue.
> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table 
> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
> anyway.
> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
> Thanks for your continus help
>
>
> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window 
>> that's on your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed 
>> buttons?
>> Progress
>> bars? Anything?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 
>> hours I have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains 
>> just one window install OS window this is the only window so I don't 
>> know if it's downloading or not
>>
>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so 
>> don't know what's going on.thank you.
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named 
>>> your volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if 
>>> the disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently 
>>> but the above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 > wrote:

  Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling 
 OS or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac 
 it's D if I choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to 
 make clean in the store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs 
> or install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is 
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll 
> use your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight 
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I 
>> download his assistant before installing or it will download it 
>> automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over 
>>> is available during the entire install process.  You can 
>>> activate voice over during install and get spoken directions the whole 
>>> way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but 
>>> pressing command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this 
>>> does not always happen)
>>>
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 

Re: capitalone app

[Scott Granados]

I know Mark has mentioned he’s a capital one bank user and may be able to 
provide some info here.  I’ve only used the credit card app which has had it’s 
accessibility issues addressed again thanks to mark and others writing in to 
raise the concern.

Maybe if he catches this thread he can offer some wisdom here.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> 
> Hi:
> Has anyone figured out how to transfer money between accounts? As soon as I 
> double tap done, the app is completely unaccessible!
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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[Scott Granados]

It should start it can take 5 minutes on first turn up to start.

I believe you can press the center button in the round area 3 times also to 
start vo but I’m not 100% sure on that so please take with appropriate grains 
of salt.  I gave my 3rd gen to my son if you get stuck I’ll walk over there and 
test it out for you.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Everyone. I am assuming that once the HDMI port is selected
> does Voiceover turn on on its own? You said it will be speaking. If
> not, is there a shortcut to turn it on, like the triple click on the
> iPhone after taking it out of the box?
> Thanks,
> Vaughn
> 
> On 9/22/16, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
>> Hi, thought the lightning port to charge the remote is on the front?
>>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to expand on this a little for Vaughn, the 3rd gen as everyone as
>>> said is not rechargeable.  The 4th is, on the back of the 4th is a
>>> lightning port.  You can use any lightning charger like your iPhone
>>> charger to give it a charge and under heavy use the remote lasts for
>>> months.  Same with the 3 it’s very energy efficient.
>>> 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:54 PM, christopher hallsworth
  wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long
 gone. So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim.
 Now onto your questions.
 
 This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you
 change the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make
 sure your TV is tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should
 then hear it talking you in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV
 with VoiceOver.
 
 
> On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
> following question:
> 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
> the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
> tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
> remotes.
> 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
> TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?
> 
> I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.
> 
> Thanks,
> Vaughn
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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[Scott Granados]

So I might be thinking of the orientation differently.

With the touch pad facing away from you assuming it’s lying flat on a surface, 
the buttons oriented with the volume control on the right and the group of 3 on 
the left, the lightning port would be on the bottom edge facing your chest 
opposite the tough pad.  At least that’s where mine is on the trailing edge 
below the buttons.

Does that make more sense?

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 2:12 AM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Hi, thought the lightning port to charge the remote is on the front?
>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to expand on this a little for Vaughn, the 3rd gen as everyone as said 
>> is not rechargeable.  The 4th is, on the back of the 4th is a lightning 
>> port.  You can use any lightning charger like your iPhone charger to give it 
>> a charge and under heavy use the remote lasts for months.  Same with the 3 
>> it’s very energy efficient.
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:54 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>> First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long 
>>> gone. So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim. Now 
>>> onto your questions.
>>> 
>>> This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you 
>>> change the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make sure 
>>> your TV is tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should then hear 
>>> it talking you in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV with 
>>> VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
 following question:
 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
 the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
 tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
 remotes.
 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
 TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?
 
 I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.
 
 Thanks,
 Vaughn
 
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Scott Granados]

I’d like to give this a whole hearted +1.:)

You’ll gain huge performance (said this the most donald trump like Huge 
possible haha).

Seriously it’s a great upgrade.  As for which disk to use again Tim is dead on 
the mark anything  should work.  I have personally had great luck with the 
Crucial drives which I believe Mikron produces.  They are a good price point 
and rock solid reliable.

One thing on the command R, if the OS isn’t on the drive at all you may need to 
boot off a USB media to install, it’s easy to create if need be.

Also, Do a proper backup of all your data via time machine of course before 
attempting this.

A shop is a good way to go if you don’t feel you have the confidence to install 
it your self (it’s very simple though FYI) and you can ask them to also 
reinstall your OS for you and save you the headache.  Depends on whether you 
want to pay for the service or do it yourself.  If you’ve successfully clean 
installed though like it seems you have on list here you have the skills to do 
what you need to do.  Either way everything the original poster proposed sounds 
very sound to me and I think he should run and not walk and update that drive 
to SSD.  You’ll be very blown away by the improvement in performance.


> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> That should work.  Before you do the installation though, you'll need to open 
> Disk Utility and format the SSD as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  Once it has 
> been formatted properly, you can install Sierra.  If you have access to a 
> wired Internet connection instead of wireless, that may make the process more 
> seamless for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 13:08, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Just i will put it on my mac,  command option r, and that is it?
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Pretty well any SSD should work.  I've yet to get a drive that I couldn't 
>> format to work on a Mac.  Many of them will say in their specs if they work 
>> for both Mac and Windows.  They'll often come formatted for Windows, but 
>> that's easy to remedy.  I've installed Crucial, Kingston and others that I 
>> can't recall at the moment, but, again, haven't had an issue ever.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:43, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for
>> apple machines?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access
>>> speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning
>>> HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading times and some
>>> processing times.  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a
>>> spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as
>>> opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>>> the original Sata Hd.
>>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>>> mini?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
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Sierra beta 10.12.1 and IOS 10.1 public beta 1 released

[Scott Granados]

IOS, Sierra and Watch public betas have been released.  Being a .1 release a 
lot of these are bug fixes.

Note for voice over users on installation, when you reboot / restart to install 
there’s a window that appears, OSX setup with no windows, just wait here about 
10 to 20 minutes.  Install is taking place but no Voice over status update.  
Once you hear the startup chime the voice over starts, sees the apple and a 
percentage reading.  It sticks on 0% but it’s working, wait another 10 to 20 
minutes and your normal password prompt appears or you’ll authenticate 
automatically if you’re using the watch.

Install em and enjoy.  Join using the normal method of downloading the .dmg 
file and running the installation pkg, the app store will update you via the 
normal update mechanism.

Good luck.

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Re: My experience with a clean install of the new searia os.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Yes I am planing on doing so.  I just found it strange that it would act that 
way for some reason.  Any how Things are running much better here after doing 
the clean install.

Matthew


> On Sep 23, 2016, at 2:18 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Doesn’t sound too bad, you can always set up two-factor authentication later 
> in System Preferences>iCloud and by clicking account details under your name.
>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:40, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just want to share my experience with doing a clean install of 10.12.  First 
>> off, I moved everything over to my dropbox account which so far went without 
>> a problem.  Next once I did all this, I used to the bootible drive to 
>> install  and discovered that the partition could be erased but not the drive 
>> itself.  This was not a big deal.  After going through the install, I found 
>> a bug which I wondered if anyone else incountered when trying to have 
>> 2facter authentication enabled, the system would reboot for no reason after 
>> selecting the screen to enter a phone number to use when signing in with a 
>> new device.  I then elected to skip that step for now and everything else 
>> went fine.  I now have my iTunes account configured and my email accounts 
>> came over without any problem.  
>> 
>> That is the story off my adventure for now.  I should mention that before 
>> the install, I had been running the gold master of the os.  Just thought I 
>> would point that out.  I would like to hear other experiences with the clean 
>> install on there machines.  I have an iMac 21.5 with 8 gb of ram and a 1 TB 
>> HD.  I can share other specks if interested.  
>> 
>> Matthew
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Getting rid of podcasts in the iTunes app on the Mac

[Mary Otten]

I recently subscribed to a few podcasts using the Podcasts app on my iPhone. It 
is set not to download anything. Therefore, I was quite surprised when I open 
my Mac today to iTunes and stuff was downloading. It turns out, that several 
Podcasts had been downloaded. Now I want to get rid of all of them. I did not 
want any podcasts on my Mac. This seems to be kind of complicated I would like 
to get rid of all of the unplayed episodes and unsubscribe to all of the 
podcast, until I can figure out a way to subscribe on my phone and not have 
things carry over to the Mac. I have seen tables and action menus that have 
unsubscribe, which I did, and delete, which didn't seem to do anything. Is 
there a universal quick and easy one click bang and they're all gone method to 
do this? It just works doesn't seem to be happening here.
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Another way to change right command key?

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, is there another way to change the right command key on my MacBook Air? 
 I am really missing my right control key.

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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

That should work.  Before you do the installation though, you'll need to open 
Disk Utility and format the SSD as MacOS Extended (Journaled).  Once it has 
been formatted properly, you can install Sierra.  If you have access to a wired 
Internet connection instead of wireless, that may make the process more 
seamless for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 13:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Just i will put it on my mac,  command option r, and that is it?

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On Sep 23, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Pretty well any SSD should work.  I've yet to get a drive that I couldn't 
> format to work on a Mac.  Many of them will say in their specs if they work 
> for both Mac and Windows.  They'll often come formatted for Windows, but 
> that's easy to remedy.  I've installed Crucial, Kingston and others that I 
> can't recall at the moment, but, again, haven't had an issue ever.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:43, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for
> apple machines?
> 
> 
> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access
>> speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning
>> HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading times and some
>> processing times.  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a
>> spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as
>> opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>> the original Sata Hd.
>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>> mini?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
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>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
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Re: Dictation and speech with Sierra?

[Charlie Doremus]

That is correct.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Blee Blat  wrote:

> I believe the dictation and speech settings have been moved to the
> keyboard preferences. It's another tab next to the input tab.
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Re: Dictation and speech with Sierra?

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I believe the dictation and speech settings have been moved to the keyboard 
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Dictation and speech with Sierra?

[Kliphton Miller]

Hello, on El Capitan and before, in system preferences there was a dictation 
and speech section.  This allowed us to choose a  voice that was system wide, 
or for various things like the time.  It seems that this has been removed.  Is 
there a different area where this can be done, or has it just been removed.

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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[Vaughn Brown]

Thank you Everyone. I am assuming that once the HDMI port is selected
does Voiceover turn on on its own? You said it will be speaking. If
not, is there a shortcut to turn it on, like the triple click on the
iPhone after taking it out of the box?
Thanks,
Vaughn

On 9/22/16, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
> Hi, thought the lightning port to charge the remote is on the front?
>> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> Just to expand on this a little for Vaughn, the 3rd gen as everyone as
>> said is not rechargeable.  The 4th is, on the back of the 4th is a
>> lightning port.  You can use any lightning charger like your iPhone
>> charger to give it a charge and under heavy use the remote lasts for
>> months.  Same with the 3 it’s very energy efficient.
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:54 PM, christopher hallsworth
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long
>>> gone. So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim.
>>> Now onto your questions.
>>>
>>> This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you
>>> change the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make
>>> sure your TV is tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should
>>> then hear it talking you in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV
>>> with VoiceOver.
>>>
>>>
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:

 Hi folks,

 I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
 following question:
 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
 the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
 tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
 remotes.
 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
 TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?

 I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.

 Thanks,
 Vaughn

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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Just i will put it on my mac,  command option r, and that is it?

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> On Sep 23, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pretty well any SSD should work.  I've yet to get a drive that I couldn't 
> format to work on a Mac.  Many of them will say in their specs if they work 
> for both Mac and Windows.  They'll often come formatted for Windows, but 
> that's easy to remedy.  I've installed Crucial, Kingston and others that I 
> can't recall at the moment, but, again, haven't had an issue ever.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:43, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for
> apple machines?
> 
> 
>> On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access
>> speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning
>> HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading times and some
>> processing times.  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a
>> spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as
>> opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
>> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
>> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
>> the original Sata Hd.
>> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
>> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
>> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
>> mini?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
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>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Pretty well any SSD should work.  I've yet to get a drive that I couldn't 
format to work on a Mac.  Many of them will say in their specs if they work for 
both Mac and Windows.  They'll often come formatted for Windows, but that's 
easy to remedy.  I've installed Crucial, Kingston and others that I can't 
recall at the moment, but, again, haven't had an issue ever.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:43, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for
apple machines?


On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access
> speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning
> HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading times and some
> processing times.  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a
> spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as
> opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
> the original Sata Hd.
> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
> mini?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> --
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha Tim, but can I  use any SSD? or I must buy something specially for
apple machines?


On 9/23/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access
> speed for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning
> HD, so you will see big improvements to app loading times and some
> processing times.  For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a
> spinning HD to an SSD, the Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as
> opposed to the 40 seconds or so that it took prior to the SSD installation.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
> and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
> pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
> the original Sata Hd.
> I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
> for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
> the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
> mini?
> Thanks
>
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Re: Problem with Apple ID details on Macbook Pro. Can anyone advise?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi Gary

Now you’ve explained this, open the pop-up button as usual, and choose the data 
matching your birthday. Not going to disclose it on here, but yeah.


> On 23 Sep 2016, at 11:52, Gary Price  wrote:
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> Morning everyone!
> 
> Please can someone help me out.
> I've got a Macbook 13 inch.
> In the security part of my Apple ID in iCloud preferences, where my birthday 
> is located VoiceOver says "Invalid data" Popup button after each item.
> 
> Please is there any way of sorting this out?
> Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
> Gary Price
> Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.
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Re: A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Putting an SSD into your Mini would realize huge improvements in access speed 
for you.  An SSD itself is often 60 to 80 times faster than a spinning HD, so 
you will see big improvements to app loading times and some processing times.  
For example, when I changed my MacBook Pro from a spinning HD to an SSD, the 
Login screen appeared in less than 10 seconds as opposed to the 40 seconds or 
so that it took prior to the SSD installation.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 09:21, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
the original Sata Hd.
I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
mini?
Thanks


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Hi:
Has anyone figured out how to transfer money between accounts? As soon as I 
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Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That depends, Louis.

All VO+F3 does is speak what is under the Voiceover cursor.  If you're not 
already focused on the progress, then that won't work.  Good suggestion, but 
just bare that in mind.

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- Original Message - 
From: "lscrivani" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time 
machine




 If you do a vo + f3, it will say a percentage of the download.
   Louis


-Original Message- 
From: Ramy Moustafa

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time 
machine


ok, thanks, but now I start  downloading Sierra, there is no progress
bar or something that indicates weather I'm downloading or not.
any ideas?


On 9/23/16, lscrivani  wrote:
  As far as the backup, it depends on the size of the backup drive.  If 
it
is large enough  to equal the size of the drives on both units, then yes 
as


long as you create a partition on the drive first.  But you are better 
off

having a separate back up unit for each.
Louis


-Original Message-
From: Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

Hello all:
now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?

my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
from 1 to another
because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
Thanks

Thanks


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Re: Problem with Apple ID details on Macbook Pro. Can anyone advise?

[E.T.]

Gary,
   For each popup button that has the wrong data, do a VO space and 
arrow up or down to select the correct data then press enter. Then find 
the done button and you are finished.


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On 9/23/2016 3:52 AM, Gary Price wrote:

Morning everyone!

Please can someone help me out.
I've got a Macbook 13 inch.
In the security part of my Apple ID in iCloud preferences, where my birthday is located 
VoiceOver says "Invalid data" Popup button after each item.

Please is there any way of sorting this out?
Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
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A strange observation about the speed of system on both Mac mini and macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

I have my mac mini late 2012 running mountain lion til now.
and I have my MacBook pro 2015, but what I observed, that my mac book
pro is a little faster, it has the SSD Hard disk, but my mac mini has
the original Sata Hd.
I have another extra SSD Hard disk from another laptop, your advice
for me is to go to a shop and ask them to change the Mac mini Hd to
the new SSd? or stay wth the original Hd that was shipped with  my mac
mini?
Thanks


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Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks all.
will do this exactly

On 9/23/16, lscrivani  wrote:
>   If you do a vo + f3, it will say a percentage of the download.
> Louis
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time
> machine
>
> ok, thanks, but now I start  downloading Sierra, there is no progress
> bar or something that indicates weather I'm downloading or not.
> any ideas?
>
>
> On 9/23/16, lscrivani  wrote:
>>   As far as the backup, it depends on the size of the backup drive.  If
>> it
>> is large enough  to equal the size of the drives on both units, then yes
>> as
>>
>> long as you create a partition on the drive first.  But you are better
>> off
>> having a separate back up unit for each.
>> Louis
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine
>>
>> Hello all:
>> now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
>> sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
>> so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
>> in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
>> installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?
>>
>> my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
>> can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
>> can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
>> hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
>> and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
>> from 1 to another
>> because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
>> and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
>> VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[lscrivani]

 If you do a vo + f3, it will say a percentage of the download.
   Louis


-Original Message- 
From: Ramy Moustafa

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time 
machine


ok, thanks, but now I start  downloading Sierra, there is no progress
bar or something that indicates weather I'm downloading or not.
any ideas?


On 9/23/16, lscrivani  wrote:

  As far as the backup, it depends on the size of the backup drive.  If it
is large enough  to equal the size of the drives on both units, then yes 
as


long as you create a partition on the drive first.  But you are better off
having a separate back up unit for each.
Louis


-Original Message-
From: Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

Hello all:
now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?

my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
from 1 to another
because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
Thanks

Thanks


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Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When the Sierra Installer downloads, it actually downloads to the Applications 
folder, not the Downloads folder.  Also, after it downloads, it will 
automatically open the installer ready for you to start.  If you start the 
process, it will automatically delete the installer after the installation is 
complete.  to avoid this from happening, press cmd-q to Quit the Installer, 
then go into your Applications folder and select the Sierra installer.  Copy 
this installer to another location, USB stick, Desktop, external HD etc.  Once 
you have the second copy, then you can go back into the Applications folder and 
open the Sierra Installer.  Follow the prompts and perform the installation.  
If you've copied the Sierra Installer to another location, you can then put it 
into the Applications folder on your second Mac and perform the installation 
once again.

Hope that makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 08:33, lscrivani  wrote:

As far as the backup, it depends on the size of the backup drive.  If it is 
large enough  to equal the size of the drives on both units, then yes as long 
as you create a partition on the drive first.  But you are better off having a 
separate back up unit for each.
  Louis


-Original Message- From: Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

Hello all:
now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?

my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
from 1 to another
because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
Thanks

Thanks


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Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[Ramy Moustafa]

ok, thanks, but now I start  downloading Sierra, there is no progress
bar or something that indicates weather I'm downloading or not.
any ideas?


On 9/23/16, lscrivani  wrote:
>   As far as the backup, it depends on the size of the backup drive.  If it
> is large enough  to equal the size of the drives on both units, then yes as
>
> long as you create a partition on the drive first.  But you are better off
> having a separate back up unit for each.
> Louis
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine
>
> Hello all:
> now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
> sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
> so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
> in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
> installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?
>
> my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
> can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
> can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
> hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
> and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
> from 1 to another
> because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
> and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
> VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
> Thanks
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[lscrivani]

 As far as the backup, it depends on the size of the backup drive.  If it 
is large enough  to equal the size of the drives on both units, then yes as 
long as you create a partition on the drive first.  But you are better off 
having a separate back up unit for each.

   Louis


-Original Message- 
From: Ramy Moustafa

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

Hello all:
now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?

my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
from 1 to another
because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
Thanks

Thanks


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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's good to hear.  I hope this next try is less problematic than your first 
attempt.  Please don't feel bad about asking further questions, we're all here 
to help each other.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 07:47, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all my friends:
I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
lion which it was shipped with.
and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help


On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:
> I can't believe myself,
> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
> I discovered, the issue.
> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
> anyway.
> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
> Thanks for your continus help
> 
> 
> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's
>> on
>> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?
>> Progress
>> bars? Anything?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
>> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one
>> window
>> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
>> downloading or not
>> 
>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't
>> know
>> what's going on.thank you.
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados > >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 >> 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados 
 >> wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will 

Installing sierra on 2 computers, and a question on time machine

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
now, I have my 2  macs, the mini and my MacBook pro. I need to install
sierra on both, but don't want to download it twice.
so, after downloading from the mac appstore, will I find the installer
in the downloads folder? can I upgrade to sierra before taking the
installer from downloads? or I must take it 1st if I will find it?

my 2nd question is concerning time machine:
can I use a  hard that will be prepared to time machine on mac mini,
can I use this hard to backup with MacBook pro also? or it must be 1
hd for each machine? of cores each machine will have it's own apps,
and I don't want  the apps to be on both? the backup will different
from 1 to another
because, my macmini is for my studio it has pro tools etc.
and I don't want these apps to be on my MacBook pro that has the
VMware  that I don't need in my studio.
Thanks

Thanks


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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all my friends:
I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
lion which it was shipped with.
and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help


On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> I can't believe myself,
> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
> I discovered, the issue.
> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
> anyway.
> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
> Thanks for your continus help
>
>
> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's
>> on
>> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?
>> Progress
>> bars? Anything?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
>> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one
>> window
>> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
>> downloading or not
>>
>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't
>> know
>> what's going on.thank you.
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:

  Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always happen)
>>>
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 > wrote:

 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this
 and
 will VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

Re: Verizon Fios or Vios and wireless performance

[Blee Blat]

You should expect whatever they gave you to be fairly crappy. They are not 
interested in giving you a good router. They just ship out the cheapest thing 
they have so it will be easier for tech support and such. Putting the modem in 
bridge mode and using your own router would be better. I did that here and then 
the ISP swapped out the modem with one that doesn't do routing because I 
insisted. If you can't bridge the modem you can just put your router's IP in a 
DMZ and that should do he same thing, but bridged mode is cleaner.

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Re: how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

The terminal is great. Often it looks really hard but using the tab key to 
automatically complete a path seriously reduces the amount of typing.

Regards,

Gena

> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:48, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How great is terminal though.  The ability to drop to a bash shell is so 
> useful not to mention all the handy things you can do with the command line 
> in Unix environments.  It’s like having your cake and eating it too.  A cool 
> unix environment with a highly usable GUI on top that even we blind can enjoy 
> unlike some other platforms that drop you to an MS dos environment.   
> Although I’ve heard that’s changing in Microsoft land as well.  Bash under 
> windows will be equally groovy.
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> I can understand that.  It's not a particularly easy set of commands to 
>> remember.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:49, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well keep forgetting the Terminal commands lol so use an app instead.
>>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:47, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I prefer the Terminal method, but using an app is less worrisome for many.  
>>> If it does the job, then do whatever you feel most comfortable with.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:44, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> No need for that, found a free app from the internet that does this all for 
>>> you. Called “Install Disk Creator”, found this out after discovering 
>>> Diskmakerx is not ready for Sierra even though they claim to be “rocking 
>>> with Sierra”, according to their web page,
>>> www.liondiskmaker.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:29, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 When using the Terminal to create the bootable installer, it uses the 
 "sudo" command in front.  You, as an Administrator, have the power to use 
 the sudo command, although the OS will ask for your Admin password in 
 order to proceed.  Once the password has been correctly input, the action 
 will commence.  So, yes, an Administrator is sufficient, but an extra step 
 of security is necessary to proceed.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:15, Daniel C  wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:03, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> Hi,
 Most likely, the password that they are referring to, maybe in a minute 
 straight of account password. You don't actually need to use the root user 
 that usually comes with UNIX like operating systems to perform such tasks.
> And administrative account should be sufficient enough, it is actually 
> like the root user. So creating the boot disk with your administrative 
> account, should suffice just fine.Hi,
> 
> 
> I forget the site, but I have it saved in my favorites list and will be 
> doing this at some point.  When they say root password, are they refering 
> to the paassword you set when you first setup the mac?  I ask as I don't 
> recall seting up a root password here on my mac.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 09/20/2016 06:18 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/
>> 
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Re: iCloud Keychain

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Sorry, do the articles not match up with reality or with each other? I believe 
their feedback links at the bottom of each article.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:43 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Finally! I found the needed information online but as is happening more and 
> more, Apple support articles do not quite match up.
> 
>   But I finally was able to do it from my iPhone and now the Mac is happy. 
> Thanks for sticking with this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/22/2016 1:35 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hmmm.  Is iCloud Keychain enabled at the moment, or disabled?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 14:13, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  When I do that I am placed on the iCloud Drive item. This happened every 
>> time when I tried to activate the Options button yesterday.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 9/22/2016 1:05 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When you interact with the Services table, navigate down to Keychain,
>>> then interact again, there'll be an Options button.  Press on that and
>>> you should have the ability to change the code.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:58, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> Signed out and closed System prefs then opened it and signed in again.
>>> Same thing happened except this time the dialog said incorrect code. I
>>> see no place to reset it.
>>> 
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>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 9/20/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Yes, signing out then exiting System Preferences sounds like a good
 thing to do.  It is good to quit System Prefs, then go back in to
 re-sign into iCloud.  This allows for System Prefs to properly kill
 processes before logging back in.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:36, E.T. > wrote:
 
 Yes indeed. I have been googling this too and come up with nothing
 helpful. I cannot access the options if I cannot enable Keychain.
 later I may sign out and back in and see if that changes anything.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
> On 9/20/2016 9:30 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> so, on your Mac, it is asking for a four digit code when you attempt
> to enable iCloud Keychain?  Hmmm.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:55, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> I'm wondering now if I am mistaken here. When I try to enable
> Keychain, the dialog asks for iCloud security code and its a 4 digit
> code. This must not be the same thing as the one that requires 6 digits.
> 
> Mu iPhone and iPad both do not have Keychain enabled.
> 
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> 
>> On 9/20/2016 7:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I suggest that you then first turn iCloud Keychain off on your
>> iPhone.  It shouldn't require a code for that, just your Apple ID
>> credentials.  Now, try enabling it on your Mac.  If it is already
>> on, when you click on Options, a dialog should appear that gives you
>> the option to change your Security Code.  this needs to be a six
>> digit code.  It accepts numbers kind of like the pass-code on an
>> iPhone whereby you push a number and it pops over to the next
>> numeric field automatically.  You'll need to enter this code two
>> times, a phone number that accepts SMS messages, then enter your
>> Apple ID credentials to confirm the change.  This is to make sure
>> that a third party could not simply change that Security Code and
>> SMS number without knowing all your info.
>> 
>> Let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 08:21, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> At this point I am not sure I ever did enable Keychain. Working from
>> the Mac I cannot get past the dialog for the code. If I enter one
>> the iPhone gets a text with a verification code which I type in on
>> the Mac which then cycles back to requesting the security code. So I
>> get nowhere. On that dialog there is text that says Forgot code. Its
>> not a 

Problem with Apple ID details on Macbook Pro. Can anyone advise?

[Gary Price]

Morning everyone!

Please can someone help me out.
I've got a Macbook 13 inch.
In the security part of my Apple ID in iCloud preferences, where my birthday is 
located VoiceOver says "Invalid data" Popup button after each item.

Please is there any way of sorting this out?
Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
Gary Price
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Re: mail signatures in siera

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Jean,
look in settings and in the toolbar under Signatures.
Jürgen

> Am 23.09.2016 um 05:54 schrieb Jean :
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I am using Siera and the signatures in the mail program are missing. Can 
> anyone tell me where to find the signature editor?
> 
> Many thanks,
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Re: Update on mac research

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh wow thank you. See I never used SSD before so have no idea of performance.
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Chris, sounds like a fine choice.  If the user is upgrading from a 500 GB HD 
> to a 512 SSD she’ll be blown away.  That in itself is such a  major upgrade.  
> You’re talking 30 to 45 times faster just on disk access alone.  Sounds like 
> you did good my man.:)
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 4:09 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I did, and no refurbished macs so far. Cheers for the idea though and will 
>> keep looking.
>>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 21:04, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> check out the apple refurbished store.
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:48 PM, matthew dyer  
 wrote:
 
 Chris,
 
 That sounds good.  I say you should go with what you can afford.  I have 
 an iMac 21 inch with 8 GB of ram and a 1 TB HD.  I do how ever wish I had 
 an SSD as It would be nice to work with, but for my needs things work 
 well.  I am going to be working on getting a clean install of Searria this 
 weekend and as of rite now I have already moved everything I want to keep 
 to my dropbox and  now am waiting for dropbox to finish uploading 
 everything, but will be doing this this weekend.  Will report how it goes. 
  I did managed to make a bootable usb drive so will see what happens.
 
 Matthew
 
 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> Just an update on my mac research for Hannah’s Christmas present.
> 
> She has chosen the 13 inch Macbook Pro with retina display, customized 
> with 512 GB of PCIE-based flash storage, base RAM of 8 GB and base 
> processor of 2.9 GHZ with turbo boost up to 3.2 GHZ, something like that 
> anyway. That is providing a newer mac doesn’t come before then.
> 
> Think she will be happy with these specs, as she has no intentions of 
> editing video for example, hence the base RAM configuration, and the 
> customized storage is slightly more than her external 500 GB HDD. 
> Thoughts?
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Re: My experience with a clean install of the new searia os.

[christopher hallsworth]

Doesn’t sound too bad, you can always set up two-factor authentication later in 
System Preferences>iCloud and by clicking account details under your name.
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:40, matthew dyer  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just want to share my experience with doing a clean install of 10.12.  First 
> off, I moved everything over to my dropbox account which so far went without 
> a problem.  Next once I did all this, I used to the bootible drive to install 
>  and discovered that the partition could be erased but not the drive itself.  
> This was not a big deal.  After going through the install, I found a bug 
> which I wondered if anyone else incountered when trying to have 2facter 
> authentication enabled, the system would reboot for no reason after selecting 
> the screen to enter a phone number to use when signing in with a new device.  
> I then elected to skip that step for now and everything else went fine.  I 
> now have my iTunes account configured and my email accounts came over without 
> any problem.  
> 
> That is the story off my adventure for now.  I should mention that before the 
> install, I had been running the gold master of the os.  Just thought I would 
> point that out.  I would like to hear other experiences with the clean 
> install on there machines.  I have an iMac 21.5 with 8 gb of ram and a 1 TB 
> HD.  I can share other specks if interested.  
> 
> Matthew
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Re: Apple TV 3rd Gen.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi, thought the lightning port to charge the remote is on the front?
> On 23 Sep 2016, at 01:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Just to expand on this a little for Vaughn, the 3rd gen as everyone as said 
> is not rechargeable.  The 4th is, on the back of the 4th is a lightning port. 
>  You can use any lightning charger like your iPhone charger to give it a 
> charge and under heavy use the remote lasts for months.  Same with the 3 it’s 
> very energy efficient.
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 2:54 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> First, the 3rd generation, as far as Apple Support is concerned, is long 
>> gone. So your chances of support may be slim. Not impossible, but slim. Now 
>> onto your questions.
>> 
>> This remote, does not charge, unlike the 4th generation. Therefore, you 
>> change the batteries when it is low. To set it up with VoiceOver, make sure 
>> your TV is tuned into the correct HDMI input channel. You should then hear 
>> it talking you in how to turn on VoiceOver to set up Apple TV with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2016, at 05:38, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I just purchased and received an Apple TV 3rd generation. I have the
>>> following question:
>>> 1. How do you recharge the batteries? The remote has a slim plug in
>>> the back but it did not come with a cable for recharging. I already
>>> tried looking this up on the web but it keeps mentioning 4th Gen.
>>> remotes.
>>> 2. What is the best way to set this up via voiceover? Does my actual
>>> TV need to be on a certain input such as auxillary?
>>> 
>>> I'm planning on calling Apple support but would appreciate your input.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
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