RE: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Sharon,

 Bootcamp is the service that windows runs within on your mac.

It is the thing or application within the mac os that gives you the ability to 
have the dual boot system.

When you are in windows running within bootcamp there is an option on the task 
bar which allows you to restart the machine in to the Mac OS 

 Dependin gon which windows os you are running you may have to tell windows to 
display it on the task bar as I know it's not there by default in windows 10.

 This task bar option is installed as one of the apple drivers that are 
installed as part of the bootcamp installation 

As for on the mac os, yes when in mac os under system prefs and start up  you 
have to select the bootcamp option to restart in to the windows os.

 I've not used it but I do know that in paralleles and I think now in VM Fusion 
there is an option to run a VM from your bootcamp installation of windows,

 Shame also about parallels as there is a parallels app for IOS devices which 
allow you to run your vm on the IOS platform but parallels is not accessible to 
us.

Hope this info helps.

Simon f

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 10:21 AM
To: Mac Visionaries 
Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

Okay, 

Here’s the thing about thinking I might need Bootcamp installed on my Mac:  
Some months ago, I was trying to get help to switch from Windows back to my Mac 
Book Air, which I now know   how to do with a simple keyboard command.  But at 
that time, my  sighted helper googled how to make the switch, and found that I 
needed to use Bootcamp on the Windows side.  So she went to further 
instructions as to what to do with the Bootcamp there.  She couldn’t see it 
there, so, not knowing how to switch, we took my Mac  to the technology  
company I do business with.  They said I didn’t have Bootcamp installed on 
Windows.  They did the switching for me.  so, knowing now that it’s not 
necessary to have this, I succeeded, again with sighted help, to see when 
exactly I needed to let go of the key so as to get to the target mode.  Thus, I 
was able to go from Windows back to Mac using only the Bootcamp on the Mac side.


Now, the reason why I thought I might need Bootcamp in Windows, is because I 
was having trouble switching on the fly with VMWAre Fusion.

So now, what I’m trying to do, is to learn what keystrokes to use.  I’m still 
having difficulty with the  command-G,  that  was suggested in this thread.  It 
seems as if Command-G doesn’t  work completely after setting full screen on the 
Windows side of VMWare.  So apparently, I’ll need to go to key-mapping.

Thanks again,

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sharon,
> 
> Could you confirm this for me.
> 
> Did it really say that boot camp was not installed on the windows machine?
> 
> Bootcamp is a service within the Mac OS, Windows runs within bootcamp, 
> bootcamp doesn't run within windows.
> 
> What is it you are actually trying to do?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> 
> I thought of something. Here's what might be happening, since Unity keeps 
> being dimmed. I was told that Bootcamp was not installed on the Windows 
> machine. So, what's next, or are there other options? I was once subscribed 
> to a Windows 10 list so I can ask for help there once I can go smoothly to 
> each machine. Does anyone have the exact subscribing address off-hand?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cmd - g does not work in all versions of fusion unfortunately but do give it 
>> a shot in case it works.  I can’t get that to work and it’s not listed under 
>> my keystrokes on version 8.5.
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Matthew Dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First off, If you are using fusion, you will want to make sure that you are 
>>> in full screen mode.Using ctrl-cmd-F should do this for you.  Sendly, to 
>>> gain ctrol of the vm, press cmd-G and you should be fine.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Okay, I  managed to get Windows 10 to start-up on my Mac Book Air.  I hear 
>>> the start-up music  and the screen readers 

RE: Strange problem with voices in 10.12.3.

[Simon Fogarty]

I knew it,

Apple products are two faced!

Could you possibly have one of the voices set to do anouncements?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 9:00 AM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: Strange problem with voices in 10.12.3.

Hi all,

I have a very strange problem which is driving me crazy.  I switched from Alex 
to Samantha on my IMAC 21 inch and after switching back to Alex, Samantha and 
Alex are both specking at the same time.  In other words, Alex will start 
talking for example if in mail and I receive a new message, Alex will say mail 
then Smith will read the mail info that is in the notification. Any one noticed 
this and how do you fix this problem as it is driving me crazy.  

Thanks.

Matthew




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RE: Cross Posting Ubuntu info

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Larry,

Thanks and yes had looked at that but felt it wasn’t going to allow me what I 
needed.

I would have preferred other distribs but they although having what I needed 
didn’t have accessibility

Thanks anyway I’ll take another look at vinux

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 2:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cross Posting Ubuntu info

If you don’t already know about it, Vinux may be an option here.  I don’t think 
they use the server version but there’s lots of expertise there to help.  I had 
a system up and running briefly but never learned enough to be really competent 
with it.

http://vinuxproject.org


On Feb 13, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Listers,

Sorry about the cross posting But I thought there might be people on both kist 
that could assist.

I’m looking for a system to setup a Secure FTP server and Mac OS is not an 
option as much as I’d like it to be.

So I’m looking at Ubuntu esktop or server.

I know Ubuntu desktop has orca already installed,

Does anyone know which  if any screen reader is available in the Ubuntu server 
system?

There is no GUI with the server OS installation.
Any other options would be appreciated also.

Cheers,


Simon F


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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Yeah I have the same issue with my original series 1,

 I've got the series 2 with gps and haven't been able to sell the original, 
think I'm going to end up giving it to my nephew when he updates his phone.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch questions

Hi Simon,

Thanks as always.  I thought about the same thing you suggested, but I use the 
watch for my work-outs, and didn't really want to go a week or two without one. 
 Also, I haven't research sales of first gen watches, but I wasn't sure we 
could get much more than the $200 we'd pay to fix it, assuming we could get 
that.  My husband says he's going to try and fix it.  If he can, we will sell 
it.  I'm happy with the series 1, and hoping that new employment situations for 
both my husband and me will improve cash flow soon.  So, thinking the series 1 
can hold me till the 3rd gen comes out, at which time I'll probably get the 
series 2, or whatever its equivalent is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> The swimming feature / water proof features are the only ones I relly get any 
> thing out of.
> 
> Not that I'm currently swimming a lot at this time.
> 
> As for gps I've only used it twice  while walking around another city during 
> xmas,
> 
> Very coll but I'm not using it enough.
> 
> As for the vo start up ,
> Press the digital crown in three times quickly.
> 
> As for the price / repair,
> 
> Donna 
> My thought would be Look at getting the watch fixed and then sell it for a 
> slightly lesser price to someone and then use that money to purchase a series 
> 2,
> 
> Good lukc 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Watch questions
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah took mine off charge at 7am this morning and leaving it off till it dies 
to see how long I get out of one charge

Should be interesting,
Approx. 20% over 13 hours, not really a good rate so far.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 1:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch questions

Looking forward to seeing what I get with the series 1.  Today is my first full 
day with the watch, so I'll definitely be monitoring the battery life.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:

That battery difference is significant.  I get 2 to 3 days on the series 2 
where I got a day / day and a half tops on the original generation 1 version.

On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:52 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 are: 
Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear function 
for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water resistance rating, 
the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh and a slightly better 
battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. As I do not need the GPS 
tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is.
The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen 
some videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)

Thanks for your good information as always.



On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall 
> wrote:

Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new models 
have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should respond pretty 
much the same, which is faster than the old first generation but not blazing 
fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing (I still own a 
first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).

The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better waterproofing, 
and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the old first 
generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full water 
activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I know, the 
water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; the 
difference between those is more the processor.

Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has GPS 
so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you don't 
want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will be just 
as responsive as a series 2.

Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found a 
compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd probably 
go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my phone. 
Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But that's 
just me.

--
Alex Hall




On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli 
> wrote:

Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red card 
can take 5% off that price.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli


On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:

Hi all,

Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional $170 
I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to get 
the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the waterproofing 
issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS matters. 
There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, so the 
series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is 
important, could you tell me why?

Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which I'm 
still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
Thanks,
Donna

RE: Off topic; Sonos price increase in UK

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for that bad news,

I had noticed that a supplier here in NZ has had their products on sale for the 
passed couple of months.

Could they be releasing updated products as well?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 1:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Off topic; Sonos price increase in UK

Hi Listers,

I know that many of you love Sonos, so I thought I'd share notification of 
their products price increase from 23rd of February this year.  Here is a link 
to their new pricing:

https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4252

Andrew


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RE: Cross Posting Ubuntu info

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Eric,

What is BRLTTY?

I’m assuming a brl system although TTY is normally the system earing impaired 
use is it not?

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Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 1:11 AM
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Hi, I would expect to find speak up and brltty both in the command line 
interface.

Best,
Erik

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On February 13, 2017 3:08:34 AM Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi Listers,

Sorry about the cross posting But I thought there might be people on both kist 
that could assist.

I’m looking for a system to setup a Secure FTP server and Mac OS is not an 
option as much as I’d like it to be.

So I’m looking at Ubuntu esktop or server.

I know Ubuntu desktop has orca already installed,

Does anyone know which  if any screen reader is available in the Ubuntu server 
system?

There is no GUI with the server OS installation.
Any other options would be appreciated also.

Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: Carrier unlimited data war continues

[michael babcock]

 Whatever carrier you are with if it’s one of the major 4.

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> Well, today Verizon offers unlimited data.  Of course there are some caveats 
> read more about it here
> http://www.redmondpie.com/verizon-launches-new-unlimited-data-plan-here-are-the-details/
> This past weekend sprint jumped on the unlimited data band wagon, but theres 
> doubles after a year, and it has to be a new customer.  T-mobile has theres, 
> and taxes are already included.  Plus t-mobile removed the HD limitation on 
> there unlimited data plan. So whatever carrier you are with, you have some 
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Carrier unlimited data war continues

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, today Verizon offers unlimited data.  Of course there are some caveats 
read more about it here
http://www.redmondpie.com/verizon-launches-new-unlimited-data-plan-here-are-the-details/
This past weekend sprint jumped on the unlimited data band wagon, but theres 
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Re: Strange problem with voices in 10.12.3.

[matthew dyer]

Jonathan,  I have salved the problem.  It would appear that I had something set 
in the voices section in the vo prefs.  Not sure how it got set but it is fixed 
now.  Thanks for the help.

Matthew


> On Feb 13, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There are three possibilities I can think of:
> 
> 1. You have VoiceOVer Activities enabled with different voices. (try VO-X and 
> see if any are listed)
> 2. You have spoken notification announcements enabled in the Speech and 
> Dictation section of System Settings that will use the default voice for the 
> system.
> 3. You have a Script running on new e-mails that includes a "speak" command 
> in it.
> 
>  Best Wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:59 PM matthew dyer  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a very strange problem which is driving me crazy.  I switched from 
> Alex to Samantha on my IMAC 21 inch and after switching back to Alex, 
> Samantha and Alex are both specking at the same time.  In other words, Alex 
> will start talking for example if in mail and I receive a new message, Alex 
> will say mail then Smith will read the mail info that is in the notification. 
> Any one noticed this and how do you fix this problem as it is driving me 
> crazy.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
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Another thought about using VMWAre

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi again,

I had another thought about using VMWare.  I noticed that there are two menus 
for choosing applications.  One is for adding applications you want to use, and 
the other is about default apps.  is it possible that I can simply add  Windows 
specific apps, such as individual games and an internet browser that I can flip 
to from Mac, so I don’t need to make more complex moves to get to Windows in 
general?  those are the only two things I want to use, besides talking with 
Quortana.  Otherwise, I want to do most of my work with Mac.

Thanks for any feedback.  I hope no one is getting tired of my VMWare questions.

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Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

[Sharon Hooley]

Thanks for all the tips and explanations everyone.  Just so you know, I would 
have been okay without VMWare, when it comes to choosing the Windows startup 
disc, as   by can go through the motions without voice feedback, but it’s 
frustrating when I have no feedback as to when to release the key you have to 
hold for a few seconds to get back.



On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Sharon, 
> 
> There are two ways that one can have Windows on the Macintosh platform and it 
> is possible you have both. If you have VMWare Fusion and a Windows virtual 
> machine in that then you can at least one way of accessing Windows.
> 
> The other major way of accessing windows is using Bootcamp in order to use 
> bootcamp you have to reboot your computer and tell it to use the bootcamp 
> area to start the computer back up. To see if you have bootcamp implantation 
> of Windows, open your System Preferences and goto the StartUp disk pane. If 
> Bootcamp is listed there in addition to MacOS (and probably Target Disk Mode) 
> then you have bootcamp. 
> 
> In order to get bootcamp implementation of Windows to work fully with your 
> Macintosh you need to load the Macintosh based drivers that Apple confusingly 
> calls bootcamp in your Bootcamp windows. 
> 
> On the other hand, if you are using VMWare to access Windows then there is no 
> need for the  bootcamp software to be loaded on the Windows side.
> 
> HTH explains things for you a bit,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn   
> 
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:50 PM Rhonda Partain  > wrote:
> I tried that, but my vm never worked that well.
> Rhonda
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:42 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries  >
> Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> 
> No, Bootcamp was not installed in Windows, as I previously thought it needed 
> to be.  This was not on a PC computer.  This was, and is, on a Mac Book Air.
> 
> As for what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to switch reliably on the fly 
> between Mac and Windows, using VMWare Fusion 8.5 plus,, on my Mac Book Air 
> with OS10 Sierra.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> > On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  > > wrote:
> >
> > Sharon,
> >
> > Could you confirm this for me.
> >
> > Did it really say that boot camp was not installed on the windows machine?
> >
> > Bootcamp is a service within the Mac OS, Windows runs within bootcamp,
> > bootcamp doesn't run within windows.
> >
> > What is it you are actually trying to do?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> > 
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom 
> > ] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> > Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:30 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> >
> > I thought of something. Here's what might be happening, since Unity keeps 
> > being dimmed. I was told that Bootcamp was not installed on the Windows 
> > machine. So, what's next, or are there other options? I was once subscribed 
> > to a Windows 10 list so I can ask for help there once I can go smoothly to 
> > each machine. Does anyone have the exact subscribing address off-hand?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> >
> > Sharon H.
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Cmd - g does not work in all versions of fusion unfortunately but do give 
> >> it a shot in case it works.  I can’t get that to work and it’s not listed 
> >> under my keystrokes on version 8.5.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Matthew Dyer 
> >>> > 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> First off, If you are using fusion, you will want to make sure that you 
> >>> are in full screen mode.Using ctrl-cmd-F should do this for you.  Sendly, 
> >>> to gain ctrol of the vm, press cmd-G and you should be fine.  HTH.
> >>>
> >>> Matthew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>> 
> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>> ] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:04 PM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>> 
> >>> Subject: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little 

Re: Strange problem with voices in 10.12.3.

[Jonathan Cohn]

There are three possibilities I can think of:

1. You have VoiceOVer Activities enabled with different voices. (try VO-X
and see if any are listed)
2. You have spoken notification announcements enabled in the Speech and
Dictation section of System Settings that will use the default voice for
the system.
3. You have a Script running on new e-mails that includes a "speak" command
in it.

 Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:59 PM matthew dyer 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a very strange problem which is driving me crazy.  I switched from
> Alex to Samantha on my IMAC 21 inch and after switching back to Alex,
> Samantha and Alex are both specking at the same time.  In other words, Alex
> will start talking for example if in mail and I receive a new message, Alex
> will say mail then Smith will read the mail info that is in the
> notification. Any one noticed this and how do you fix this problem as it is
> driving me crazy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
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Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sharon,

There are two ways that one can have Windows on the Macintosh platform and
it is possible you have both. If you have VMWare Fusion and a Windows
virtual machine in that then you can at least one way of accessing Windows.

The other major way of accessing windows is using Bootcamp in order to use
bootcamp you have to reboot your computer and tell it to use the bootcamp
area to start the computer back up. To see if you have bootcamp
implantation of Windows, open your System Preferences and goto the StartUp
disk pane. If Bootcamp is listed there in addition to MacOS (and probably
Target Disk Mode) then you have bootcamp.

In order to get bootcamp implementation of Windows to work fully with your
Macintosh you need to load the Macintosh based drivers that Apple
confusingly calls bootcamp in your Bootcamp windows.

On the other hand, if you are using VMWare to access Windows then there is
no need for the  bootcamp software to be loaded on the Windows side.

HTH explains things for you a bit,

Jonathan Cohn

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:50 PM Rhonda Partain 
wrote:

> I tried that, but my vm never worked that well.
> Rhonda
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:42 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries 
> Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
>
> No, Bootcamp was not installed in Windows, as I previously thought it
> needed to be.  This was not on a PC computer.  This was, and is, on a Mac
> Book Air.
>
> As for what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to switch reliably on the fly
> between Mac and Windows, using VMWare Fusion 8.5 plus,, on my Mac Book Air
> with OS10 Sierra.
>
> Hth,
>
> > On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sharon,
> >
> > Could you confirm this for me.
> >
> > Did it really say that boot camp was not installed on the windows
> machine?
> >
> > Bootcamp is a service within the Mac OS, Windows runs within bootcamp,
> > bootcamp doesn't run within windows.
> >
> > What is it you are actually trying to do?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> > Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:30 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> >
> > I thought of something. Here's what might be happening, since Unity
> keeps being dimmed. I was told that Bootcamp was not installed on the
> Windows machine. So, what's next, or are there other options? I was once
> subscribed to a Windows 10 list so I can ask for help there once I can go
> smoothly to each machine. Does anyone have the exact subscribing address
> off-hand?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> >
> > Sharon H.
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cmd - g does not work in all versions of fusion unfortunately but do
> give it a shot in case it works.  I can’t get that to work and it’s not
> listed under my keystrokes on version 8.5.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Matthew Dyer <
> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> First off, If you are using fusion, you will want to make sure that
> you are in full screen mode.Using ctrl-cmd-F should do this for you.
> Sendly, to gain ctrol of the vm, press cmd-G and you should be fine.  HTH.
> >>>
> >>> Matthew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:04 PM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Okay, I  managed to get Windows 10 to start-up on my Mac Book Air.  I
> hear the start-up music  and the screen readers that are on  that system.
> But I'm still with Alex.  So, What  am I to do with a Mac  with OS  10
> SIERRA so I cancontrol Windows with my keyboard at least?? Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sharon H.
> >>>
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RE: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

[Rhonda Partain]

I tried that, but my vm never worked that well.
Rhonda

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:42 PM
To: Mac Visionaries 
Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

No, Bootcamp was not installed in Windows, as I previously thought it needed to 
be.  This was not on a PC computer.  This was, and is, on a Mac Book Air.

As for what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to switch reliably on the fly between 
Mac and Windows, using VMWare Fusion 8.5 plus,, on my Mac Book Air with OS10 
Sierra.

Hth,

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sharon,
> 
> Could you confirm this for me.
> 
> Did it really say that boot camp was not installed on the windows machine?
> 
> Bootcamp is a service within the Mac OS, Windows runs within bootcamp, 
> bootcamp doesn't run within windows.
> 
> What is it you are actually trying to do?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> 
> I thought of something. Here's what might be happening, since Unity keeps 
> being dimmed. I was told that Bootcamp was not installed on the Windows 
> machine. So, what's next, or are there other options? I was once subscribed 
> to a Windows 10 list so I can ask for help there once I can go smoothly to 
> each machine. Does anyone have the exact subscribing address off-hand?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cmd - g does not work in all versions of fusion unfortunately but do give it 
>> a shot in case it works.  I can’t get that to work and it’s not listed under 
>> my keystrokes on version 8.5.
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Matthew Dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First off, If you are using fusion, you will want to make sure that you are 
>>> in full screen mode.Using ctrl-cmd-F should do this for you.  Sendly, to 
>>> gain ctrol of the vm, press cmd-G and you should be fine.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Okay, I  managed to get Windows 10 to start-up on my Mac Book Air.  I hear 
>>> the start-up music  and the screen readers that are on  that system.  But 
>>> I'm still with Alex.  So, What  am I to do with a Mac  with OS  10  SIERRA 
>>> so I cancontrol Windows with my keyboard at least?? Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
>>> 
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Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

[Sharon Hooley]

No, Bootcamp was not installed in Windows, as I previously thought it needed to 
be.  This was not on a PC computer.  This was, and is, on a Mac Book Air.

As for what I’m trying to do, I’m trying to switch reliably on the fly between 
Mac and Windows, using VMWare Fusion 8.5 plus,, on my Mac Book Air with OS10 
Sierra.

Hth,

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sharon,
> 
> Could you confirm this for me.
> 
> Did it really say that boot camp was not installed on the windows machine?
> 
> Bootcamp is a service within the Mac OS,
> Windows runs within bootcamp, bootcamp doesn't run within windows.
> 
> What is it you are actually trying to do?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> 
> I thought of something. Here's what might be happening, since Unity keeps 
> being dimmed. I was told that Bootcamp was not installed on the Windows 
> machine. So, what's next, or are there other options? I was once subscribed 
> to a Windows 10 list so I can ask for help there once I can go smoothly to 
> each machine. Does anyone have the exact subscribing address off-hand?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cmd - g does not work in all versions of fusion unfortunately but do give it 
>> a shot in case it works.  I can’t get that to work and it’s not listed under 
>> my keystrokes on version 8.5.
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Matthew Dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First off, If you are using fusion, you will want to make sure that you are 
>>> in full screen mode.Using ctrl-cmd-F should do this for you.  Sendly, to 
>>> gain ctrol of the vm, press cmd-G and you should be fine.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Okay, I  managed to get Windows 10 to start-up on my Mac Book Air.  I hear 
>>> the start-up music  and the screen readers that are on  that system.  But 
>>> I'm still with Alex.  So, What  am I to do with a Mac  with OS  10  SIERRA 
>>> so I cancontrol Windows with my keyboard at least?? Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
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Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?

[Sharon Hooley]

Okay, 

Here’s the thing about thinking I might need Bootcamp installed on my Mac:  
Some months ago, I was trying to get help to switch from Windows back to my Mac 
Book Air, which I now know   how to do with a simple keyboard command.  But at 
that time, my  sighted helper googled how to make the switch, and found that I 
needed to use Bootcamp on the Windows side.  So she went to further 
instructions as to what to do with the Bootcamp there.  She couldn’t see it 
there, so, not knowing how to switch, we took my Mac  to the technology  
company I do business with.  They said I didn’t have Bootcamp installed on 
Windows.  They did the switching for me.  so, knowing now that it’s not 
necessary to have this, I succeeded, again with sighted help, to see when 
exactly I needed to let go of the key so as to get to the target mode.  Thus, I 
was able to go from Windows back to Mac using only the Bootcamp on the Mac side.


Now, the reason why I thought I might need Bootcamp in Windows, is because I 
was having trouble switching on the fly with VMWAre Fusion.

So now, what I’m trying to do, is to learn what keystrokes to use.  I’m still 
having difficulty with the  command-G,  that  was suggested in this thread.  It 
seems as if Command-G doesn’t  work completely after setting full screen on the 
Windows side of VMWare.  So apparently, I’ll need to go to key-mapping.

Thanks again,

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 12:13 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sharon,
> 
> Could you confirm this for me.
> 
> Did it really say that boot camp was not installed on the windows machine?
> 
> Bootcamp is a service within the Mac OS,
> Windows runs within bootcamp, bootcamp doesn't run within windows.
> 
> What is it you are actually trying to do?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
> 
> I thought of something. Here's what might be happening, since Unity keeps 
> being dimmed. I was told that Bootcamp was not installed on the Windows 
> machine. So, what's next, or are there other options? I was once subscribed 
> to a Windows 10 list so I can ask for help there once I can go smoothly to 
> each machine. Does anyone have the exact subscribing address off-hand?
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cmd - g does not work in all versions of fusion unfortunately but do give it 
>> a shot in case it works.  I can’t get that to work and it’s not listed under 
>> my keystrokes on version 8.5.
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Matthew Dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> First off, If you are using fusion, you will want to make sure that you are 
>>> in full screen mode.Using ctrl-cmd-F should do this for you.  Sendly, to 
>>> gain ctrol of the vm, press cmd-G and you should be fine.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 10:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Moving between Mac and Windows, a little help please?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Okay, I  managed to get Windows 10 to start-up on my Mac Book Air.  I hear 
>>> the start-up music  and the screen readers that are on  that system.  But 
>>> I'm still with Alex.  So, What  am I to do with a Mac  with OS  10  SIERRA 
>>> so I cancontrol Windows with my keyboard at least?? Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
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Strange problem with voices in 10.12.3.

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

I have a very strange problem which is driving me crazy.  I switched from Alex 
to Samantha on my IMAC 21 inch and after switching back to Alex, Samantha and 
Alex are both specking at the same time.  In other words, Alex will start 
talking for example if in mail and I receive a new message, Alex will say mail 
then Smith will read the mail info that is in the notification. Any one noticed 
this and how do you fix this problem as it is driving me crazy.  

Thanks.

Matthew




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Re: Reading tables in pdf documents with Voiceover

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Yes, they are generally much better in Windows.  This is one place where Apple 
has really fallen short.  The topic of PDF reading comes up here from time to 
time, but I have not seen a good solution to this.  Simple documents are 
somewhat manageable, but I too have the issue with statements.

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a real problem reading tables in pdf documents.  Various financial 
> institutions including banks provide vital customer related and strictly 
> private info in tables as a pdf download.  When I open a pdf document like 
> this in Preview, the information which otherwise one would read in rows is 
> presented vertically so that if there are more then two columns it is really 
> difficult to remember what info follows what.  This is particularly hard if 
> there are many rows in the table.  Some info is missing or invisible to 
> voiceover.  Is there a way of dealing with it in your experience?  I've tried 
> to convert such a document using FineReaderPro into a different format, like 
> docx or excel but I've not had much luck.  Are tables in pdf documents 
> rendered better in Acrobat Reader under Windows Os?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Andrew
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Reading tables in pdf documents with Voiceover

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I have a real problem reading tables in pdf documents.  Various financial 
institutions including banks provide vital customer related and strictly 
private info in tables as a pdf download.  When I open a pdf document like this 
in Preview, the information which otherwise one would read in rows is presented 
vertically so that if there are more then two columns it is really difficult to 
remember what info follows what.  This is particularly hard if there are many 
rows in the table.  Some info is missing or invisible to voiceover.  Is there a 
way of dealing with it in your experience?  I've tried to convert such a 
document using FineReaderPro into a different format, like docx or excel but 
I've not had much luck.  Are tables in pdf documents rendered better in Acrobat 
Reader under Windows Os?

Thanks in advance

Andrew

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First impressions of 2nd gen series 1 Apple watch

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just thought I'd share my first impressions, in case anyone out there is 
considering this purchase.

First, I'm extremely happy with this upgrade, and highly recommend it.  Below 
is what I've observed so far.

The watch is definitely more responsive.  No more waiting around for the watch 
to respond to a tap or other gesture. Apps also open much more quickly.

I have found what David and others have said to be true re the battery.  I get 
up at 6:15, and when I checked battery status at 9:30, the percentage level was 
10-13% higher than it typically was with the first gen watch.

I don't know if this is my imagination, but I think the speaker is noticeably 
better. Speech and sounds seem both louder and clearer.

Finally, for those who use the watch for exercise, I'm getting a higher calorie 
count for my elliptical work-outs.  I can't imagine why this would be, but it 
is true.  Perhaps the faster processor is also more accurate? Whatever the 
reason, I like the new numbers! :)

So, that's what I've got so far.  In my opinion, for $270, it's absolutely 
worth upgrading.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: FineReader OCR Pro vs. OCR Kit

[Bill Gallik]

Thanks to Ray and Andrew for their posting to this thread. They’ve made a very 
good case for choosing FineReader!


- Bill
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Re: Cross Posting Ubuntu info

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

If you don’t already know about it, Vinux may be an option here.  I don’t think 
they use the server version but there’s lots of expertise there to help.  I had 
a system up and running briefly but never learned enough to be really competent 
with it.

http://vinuxproject.org


> On Feb 13, 2017, at 2:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Listers,
>  
> Sorry about the cross posting But I thought there might be people on both 
> kist that could assist.
>  
> I’m looking for a system to setup a Secure FTP server and Mac OS is not an 
> option as much as I’d like it to be.
>  
> So I’m looking at Ubuntu esktop or server.
>  
> I know Ubuntu desktop has orca already installed,
>  
> Does anyone know which  if any screen reader is available in the Ubuntu 
> server system?
>  
> There is no GUI with the server OS installation.
> Any other options would be appreciated also.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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Re: Is there anyway to verify the model of an Apple Watch from the watch?

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, Tim had it.  You have to know the model number.  It seems like there 
should be a more direct way of doing this, like there is with the iPhone. 
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi donna,
> 
> Use the watch app on your phone,
> 
> It should give you the information that you are after,
> You can look under the watch appp, then general and then about, there is a 
> model number 
> You may need to  search in google for the model number but that's the one I 
> use when I need to find the correct details.
> 
> The model of my series 2 is: MP062X/A
> 
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is there anyway to verify the model of an Apple Watch from the watch?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have my new Apple Watch. It is supposed to be a second GEN series one. 
> I'm trying to confirm this. I have gone into settings and about on the watch 
> but there seems to be no way to tell if in fact I was sold the watch that I 
> think I was sold does anyone know how to determine that this is the correct 
> watch? I've also tried doing it from my phone, but couldn't see The 
> information in the watch app there either. Any help is much appreciated 
> Thanks, Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Simon,

Thanks as always.  I thought about the same thing you suggested, but I use the 
watch for my work-outs, and didn't really want to go a week or two without one. 
 Also, I haven't research sales of first gen watches, but I wasn't sure we 
could get much more than the $200 we'd pay to fix it, assuming we could get 
that.  My husband says he's going to try and fix it.  If he can, we will sell 
it.  I'm happy with the series 1, and hoping that new employment situations for 
both my husband and me will improve cash flow soon.  So, thinking the series 1 
can hold me till the 3rd gen comes out, at which time I'll probably get the 
series 2, or whatever its equivalent is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> The swimming feature / water proof features are the only ones I relly get any 
> thing out of.
> 
> Not that I'm currently swimming a lot at this time.
> 
> As for gps I've only used it twice  while walking around another city during 
> xmas,
> 
> Very coll but I'm not using it enough.
> 
> As for the vo start up ,
> Press the digital crown in three times quickly.
> 
> As for the price / repair,
> 
> Donna 
> My thought would be Look at getting the watch fixed and then sell it for a 
> slightly lesser price to someone and then use that money to purchase a series 
> 2,
> 
> Good lukc 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Watch questions
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Looking forward to seeing what I get with the series 1.  Today is my first full 
day with the watch, so I'll definitely be monitoring the battery life.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That battery difference is significant.  I get 2 to 3 days on the series 2 
> where I got a day / day and a half tops on the original generation 1 version.
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:52 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 
>> are: Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear 
>> function for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water 
>> resistance rating, the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh 
>> and a slightly better battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. 
>> As I do not need the GPS tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
>>> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
>>> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it 
>>> is.  
>>> The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
>>> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your good information as always.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of 
 the 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the 
 new models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
 respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first 
 generation but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my 
 limited testing (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the 
 new models).
 
 The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
 waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
 the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and 
 other full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. 
 As far as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and 
 first generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
 
 Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
 bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
 GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
 who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
 you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, 
 it will be just as responsive as a series 2.
 
 Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of 
 reviews and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and 
 haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like 
 Donna's I'd probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and 
 always carry my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next 
 upgrade comes out. But that's just me.
 
 --
 Alex Hall
 
 
 
 
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
> card can take 5% off that price.
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an 
>> additional $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is 
>> there any reason to get the second generation over the series one? 
>> Obviously there's the waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how 
>> much the addition of the GPS matters. There's $100 difference between 
>> the series one and the second GEN, so the series one is tempting. If 
>> people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is important, could you 
>> tell me why?
>> 
>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
>> which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?

Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

I just kept the stainless steel band that I used with my old watch.  I hate 
bands with buckles, takes too much fuss to get the watch on and off.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What band did you go with?
> 
> I have that metal one with the magnetic latch but I recently tried one of the 
> regular buckled bands and I really liked it.
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I went with the series 1.  I'm definitely noticing that it's snappier than 
>> my old watch.
>> Cheers
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of 
>>> the 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited 
>>> testing (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new 
>>> models).
>>> 
>>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>>> 
>>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>>> 
>>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of 
>>> reviews and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and 
>>> haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like 
>>> Donna's I'd probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and 
>>> always carry my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next 
>>> upgrade comes out. But that's just me.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > wrote:
 
 Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
 card can take 5% off that price.
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
 
 
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any 
> reason to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously 
> there's the waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the 
> addition of the GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series 
> one and the second GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel 
> that the dish in of the GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
> which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Scott,

I didn't know about this distinction either until I was in the Apple store on 
Saturday.  The long and short of it was that they were going to charge me $200 
to send my old watch off to Apple to be repaired, and for $270 I could have the 
second gen series 1.  Once I figured out that the GPS wasn't all that relevant, 
the decision was a no-brainer. :)

The difference in processors is very noticeable.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is. 
>  
>   The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
> 
> Thanks for your good information as always.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
>> 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing 
>> (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).
>> 
>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>> 
>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>> 
>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
>> and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't 
>> found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd 
>> probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry 
>> my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. 
>> But that's just me.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
>>> card can take 5% off that price.
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
 $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
 to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
 waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
 GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
 GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
 GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
 
 Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
 which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: FineReader OCR Pro vs. OCR Kit

[Andrew Lamanche]

I use FineReaderPro a lot, and I feel it's worth the money.  You can scan and 
recognise documents , it has automatic page orientation feature, scans multiple 
pages, and you can convert to various formats: pdf, dox, rtf, txt, excel, html. 
 It also recognises documents in up to 3 different languages in one document, 
which is helpful for multilingual documents.

Andrew
> On 13 Feb 2017, at 10:16, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I have had some success with Abby Fine Reader in this regard.  I’d go ahead 
> and get it because many here use it and find it perfectly satisfactory.  As 
> for the other, I reckon you should be able to try it and, if it fails to meet 
> your needs, you could ask Apple for a refund.  However, before going that 
> rout, I’d contact the app developer first and see what they have to say about 
> its accessibility.  You can use their answer to decide what you will do.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Bill Gallik > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m looking to install an OCR package on my Mac Mini to facilitate scanning 
>> paper documents and photocopy generated PDFs.  In searching in the MacOS 
>> store for “FineReader” I got two results.  The first is “FineReader OCR Pro” 
>> ($119.95) and “OCR Kit” ($35.95); my question to this list is this; is the 
>> first worth almost $85.00 more than the second?
>> 
>> Have any of you had experience with Finereader OCR Pro or OCR Kit?
>> 
>> Has anybody had experience with both?
>> 
>> Or, possibly, there are yet other OCR packages that my search didn’t render; 
>> other packages that may very well to be a “better bang for the buck” than 
>> either of the two I’ve identified in this e-mail?
>> 
>> I can afford the $119.95 for the ABBY product, but I don’t really care to 
>> pay for functionality that will likely never be used. I’m looking for this 
>> for my personal home use so “state of the art” isn’t really essential.  But 
>> then, I don’t want to buy the less costly option only to find that it will 
>> not offer functions such as letting me open image files online to convert to 
>> something a screen reader can recognize.
>> 
>> I hope I’ve outlined my dilemma here satisfactorily and would appreciate any 
>> thoughts, suggestions and related experiences in this matter.
>> 
>> Sincer thanks (in advance)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
>> - "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
>> - Originator Unknown -- but I'm sure any one of a number of us could claim 
>> it as our own!
>> 
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Off topic; Sonos price increase in UK

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Listers,

I know that many of you love Sonos, so I thought I'd share notification of 
their products price increase from 23rd of February this year.  Here is a link 
to their new pricing:

https://sonos.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4252

Andrew


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Re: Cross Posting Ubuntu info

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi, I would expect to find speak up and brltty both in the command line 
interface.


Best,
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On February 13, 2017 3:08:34 AM Simon Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Listers,

Sorry about the cross posting But I thought there might be people on both 
kist that could assist.


I'm looking for a system to setup a Secure FTP server and Mac OS is not an 
option as much as I'd like it to be.


So I'm looking at Ubuntu esktop or server.

I know Ubuntu desktop has orca already installed,

Does anyone know which  if any screen reader is available in the Ubuntu 
server system?


There is no GUI with the server OS installation.
Any other options would be appreciated also.

Cheers,


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Re: FineReader OCR Pro vs. OCR Kit

[Ray Foret jr]

I have had some success with Abby Fine Reader in this regard.  I’d go ahead and 
get it because many here use it and find it perfectly satisfactory.  As for the 
other, I reckon you should be able to try it and, if it fails to meet your 
needs, you could ask Apple for a refund.  However, before going that rout, I’d 
contact the app developer first and see what they have to say about its 
accessibility.  You can use their answer to decide what you will do.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I’m looking to install an OCR package on my Mac Mini to facilitate scanning 
> paper documents and photocopy generated PDFs.  In searching in the MacOS 
> store for “FineReader” I got two results.  The first is “FineReader OCR Pro” 
> ($119.95) and “OCR Kit” ($35.95); my question to this list is this; is the 
> first worth almost $85.00 more than the second?
> 
> Have any of you had experience with Finereader OCR Pro or OCR Kit?
> 
> Has anybody had experience with both?
> 
> Or, possibly, there are yet other OCR packages that my search didn’t render; 
> other packages that may very well to be a “better bang for the buck” than 
> either of the two I’ve identified in this e-mail?
> 
> I can afford the $119.95 for the ABBY product, but I don’t really care to pay 
> for functionality that will likely never be used. I’m looking for this for my 
> personal home use so “state of the art” isn’t really essential.  But then, I 
> don’t want to buy the less costly option only to find that it will not offer 
> functions such as letting me open image files online to convert to something 
> a screen reader can recognize.
> 
> I hope I’ve outlined my dilemma here satisfactorily and would appreciate any 
> thoughts, suggestions and related experiences in this matter.
> 
> Sincer thanks (in advance)
> 
> 
> 
> Bill
> - "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
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FineReader OCR Pro vs. OCR Kit

[Bill Gallik]

I’m looking to install an OCR package on my Mac Mini to facilitate scanning 
paper documents and photocopy generated PDFs.  In searching in the MacOS store 
for “FineReader” I got two results.  The first is “FineReader OCR Pro” 
($119.95) and “OCR Kit” ($35.95); my question to this list is this; is the 
first worth almost $85.00 more than the second?

Have any of you had experience with Finereader OCR Pro or OCR Kit?

Has anybody had experience with both?

Or, possibly, there are yet other OCR packages that my search didn’t render; 
other packages that may very well to be a “better bang for the buck” than 
either of the two I’ve identified in this e-mail?

I can afford the $119.95 for the ABBY product, but I don’t really care to pay 
for functionality that will likely never be used. I’m looking for this for my 
personal home use so “state of the art” isn’t really essential.  But then, I 
don’t want to buy the less costly option only to find that it will not offer 
functions such as letting me open image files online to convert to something a 
screen reader can recognize.

I hope I’ve outlined my dilemma here satisfactorily and would appreciate any 
thoughts, suggestions and related experiences in this matter.

Sincer thanks (in advance)



Bill
- "Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most."
- Originator Unknown -- but I'm sure any one of a number of us could claim it 
as our own!


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Re: Calculator for the Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Thanks. As far as I know Numbers is not able to draw curves.



> Am 13.02.2017 um 08:57 schrieb Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Excel or numbers?
> 
> Just a thought!
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Monday, 13 February 2017 8:53 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries Visionaries 
> Subject: Calculator for the Mac
> 
> Hi,
> 
> is anyone aware of a very sophisticated and accessible calculator for the 
> Mac? A blind pupil asked for one which can draw curves on the fly based on 
> the entered formular and can make changes on the fly. There seems to exist 
> such an app for blind Windows users. 
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Cross Posting Ubuntu info

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

Sorry about the cross posting But I thought there might be people on both kist 
that could assist.

I'm looking for a system to setup a Secure FTP server and Mac OS is not an 
option as much as I'd like it to be.

So I'm looking at Ubuntu esktop or server.

I know Ubuntu desktop has orca already installed,

Does anyone know which  if any screen reader is available in the Ubuntu server 
system?

There is no GUI with the server OS installation.
Any other options would be appreciated also.

Cheers,


Simon F

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