Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

ET,

Normally, when choosing an iTunes library from the Option key, I suggest you 
pick the iTunes parent folder,, not the iTunes Media folder.  Since the parent 
folder contains the ITL and other database files, the proper libraries are 
normally chosen.  It looks like what you did worked anyway, so good work.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 22:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Tim,
  Had a hunch so while holding the option key I opened iTunes and tried 
choosing the library that way. Selected the iTunes Media folder and opened it. 
Got an error message and googled it. Eventually found the fix was to select the 
.itl file directly. But it was old so copied the most current one from backup. 
That did it and I watched Star Trek. :)

  I don't know why that most current file was not on the external drive but was 
on the backup drive which I run weekly. Strange.

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On 10/13/2018 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> H.  That's interesting indeed.  I checked on my system and everything is 
> fine.  When I connect to my MBP with Mojave, I see the local media, but not 
> the iCloud Music Library based content.  When I connect to my El Capitan 
> server, I see everything there as well.  Sure does sound like a security 
> thing to me, but I'm not sure where the problem lies.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:48, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   Neither. Everything is in the library on the external drive. I booted High 
> Sierra which I had cloned to another drive and its all working there. Checked 
> settings, didn't see anything different.
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> On 10/13/2018 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Are you using Apple Music or iTunes Match?  Just checking to make sure that 
>> your music is stored locally instead of being Cloud based.  If you connect 
>> to a computer where the music is primarily streamed instead of being stored 
>> locally, that Library may show as having no content.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn >  > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself are 
>> extra-terrestrial.
>> Later
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > wrote:
>>   Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I still 
>> see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the location in 
>> preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot Apple TV, I miss my 
>> Star Trek. :)
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>> On 10/13/2018 11:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
>>> disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in case 
>>> there's any security code that is required now.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 16:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>  
>>> > wrote:
>>>   After installing Mojave, and setting up the iTunes library, pointing to 
>>> its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV says there is no 
>>> content in the library. What am I missing here? Thanks.
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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Tim,
   Had a hunch so while holding the option key I opened iTunes and 
tried choosing the library that way. Selected the iTunes Media folder 
and opened it. Got an error message and googled it. Eventually found the 
fix was to select the .itl file directly. But it was old so copied the 
most current one from backup. That did it and I watched Star Trek. :)


   I don't know why that most current file was not on the external 
drive but was on the backup drive which I run weekly. Strange.


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On 10/13/2018 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

H.  That's interesting indeed.  I checked on my system and 
everything is fine.  When I connect to my MBP with Mojave, I see the 
local media, but not the iCloud Music Library based content.  When I 
connect to my El Capitan server, I see everything there as well.  Sure 
does sound like a security thing to me, but I'm not sure where the 
problem lies.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:48, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Neither. Everything is in the library on the external drive. I booted 
High Sierra which I had cloned to another drive and its all working 
there. Checked settings, didn't see anything different.


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On 10/13/2018 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Are you using Apple Music or iTunes Match?  Just checking to make sure 
that your music is stored locally instead of being Cloud based.  If 
you connect to a computer where the music is primarily streamed 
instead of being stored locally, that Library may show as having no 
content.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:

Hi,
That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself 
are extra-terrestrial.

Later
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 
> wrote:
  Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I 
still see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the 
location in preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot 
Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)

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On 10/13/2018 11:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy 
in case there's any security code that is required now.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Oct 12, 2018, at 16:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 
 
> wrote:
  After installing Mojave, and setting up the iTunes library, 
pointing to its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV 
says there is no content in the library. What am I missing here? Thanks.

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Re: issue with Mojave

[Erik Heil]

Hello there,
Well, this issue normally can be addressed if you simply restart voiceover. I 
have experienced this with a new operating system. Not sure if this is related 
to what you are having, but when I did restart voiceover, it again did resume 
normal typing echo within the text edit field.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.
> 
>   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in Mojave.
> 
>   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to sign 
> in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo what you 
> are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it will read it to 
> you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need to hear from others 
> too..
> 
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>> On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad 
>> to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be 
>> sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it 
>> happens with my mac minis as well.
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
>>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider 
>>> this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high 
>>> sierra since I never had the problem there.
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to 
 do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there 
 is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move 
 the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
 
> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit 
> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus 
> shift plus space.
> 
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>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
>> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
>> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your 
>> home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in 
>> Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window 
>> appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no 
>> way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force 
>> the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it 
>> on my mac minis yet.
> 
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Re: Fall detection

[Angus MacKinnon]

Kawal

Fall Detection is off by default unless you are 65 years or older. I would 
encourage turning on Fall Detection. Fall Detection is very good at Detecting 
False Alarms and gives a person a minute or so to raise from a Fall.

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Re: Youtube in safari.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Do you know if it is playing but muted? Take a look for mute options in the 
windows menu.
 

 Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hmm, i must have changed that somewhere because it does not work here.
> Any other tip?
> /A
> 
>> 11 okt. 2018 kl. 21:27 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> I just turn ChromeVox off.  There are times that it's useful, so I leave it 
>> installed, but turned off.  Press cmd-ctrl-a-a to toggle it on/off.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 13:13, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It actually did but now it stopped.
>> Now google chrome works better for me but i have to remove chromeVox as this 
>> add-on annoys me.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 okt. 2018 kl. 20:53 skrev alia robinson >> >:
>>> 
>>> youtube is working fine for me.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks!
>>> The paranoid company called Apple seem to have made it impossible to play 
>>> youtube videos inside safari.
>>> At least on my computer even though i have gone through the autoplay 
>>> settings and allowed youtube.
>>> Are there more settings that youtube need access to?
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
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Fall detection

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

On Monday, I am getting a new Apple Watch as I sold the last. What I would like 
to know is, can one turn off the fall detection? I’m not sure if I would want 
that on, because I don’t really want to call the emergency services 
automatically if it didn’t give you any option not to do so, if I fell over! 
Has anyone turned it off on their  watches yet or are people preferring   to 
keep it on?

Thank you.

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Re: issue with Mojave

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When you hear announcements like "Security Agent has no windows", or similarly 
with some other agent, this is an invisible layer that sighted users would 
never notice, but because we want VO to notice just about everything, those 
agents often take over VO focus.  Normally, cmd-tab, a physical click of the 
mouse or trackpad button, or in some cases, the virtual click with 
VO-shift-space will bring focus back to the Finder.  After focus is on the 
Finder, you should be able to use the Application Chooser, or Window Chooser to 
locate the necessary entry area.  Note that the Security agent is a call to a 
process, thus the entry area is not a window that belongs to the Security 
Agent, so doing the Window Chooser while VO focus is within the security Agent 
will not be successful.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 14:18, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Unless I am mistaken, I hear "security agent has no window". And thus, I have 
never been able to find it with the chooser.

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On 10/13/2018 1:10 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> I had tried that, unfortunately this one does not show as a system dialog, at 
> least it only happens on one of my macs and not all of them.
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 1:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On my MBP with TouchBar, the Touch ID or password request does appear 
>> normally without extra interventions.  I recommend you use the method 
>> suggested by Oriol, whereby you use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1.  An 
>> item named System Dialogs should be there, select it then go right and down 
>> to the appropriate window.  You should easily be able to enter your password 
>> in this situation.  There are a number of situations where System dialogs 
>> are present, but not readily noticeable to us, but sighted users see them 
>> plainly in the way of whatever we are focused on as VO users.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   That is why I bother with clean installs, to make sure issues do not carry 
>> over. I also have a MBP.
>> 
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>> On 10/13/2018 10:15 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there 
>>> is a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and 
>>> do a clean install to give everything a fresh start.
 On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.
 
   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in 
 Mojave.
 
   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to 
 sign in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo 
 what you are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it 
 will read it to you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need 
 to hear from others too..
 
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 On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the 
> trackpad to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will 
> definitely be sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be 
> interesting to see if it happens with my mac minis as well.
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider 
>> this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to 
>> high sierra since I never had the problem there.
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, 
>>> to do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that 
>>> there is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough 
>>> to move the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse 
>>> click idea.
>>> 
 On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit 
 and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO 
 plus shift plus space.
 

Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   If its related to security, when I turn on the Apple TV next, I will 
come upstairs and check the Mac.


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On 10/13/2018 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

H.  That's interesting indeed.  I checked on my system and 
everything is fine.  When I connect to my MBP with Mojave, I see the 
local media, but not the iCloud Music Library based content.  When I 
connect to my El Capitan server, I see everything there as well.  Sure 
does sound like a security thing to me, but I'm not sure where the 
problem lies.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:48, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Neither. Everything is in the library on the external drive. I booted 
High Sierra which I had cloned to another drive and its all working 
there. Checked settings, didn't see anything different.


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On 10/13/2018 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Are you using Apple Music or iTunes Match?  Just checking to make sure 
that your music is stored locally instead of being Cloud based.  If 
you connect to a computer where the music is primarily streamed 
instead of being stored locally, that Library may show as having no 
content.

Later...
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Hi,
That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself 
are extra-terrestrial.

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> wrote:
  Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I 
still see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the 
location in preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot 
Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)

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It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy 
in case there's any security code that is required now.

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> wrote:
  After installing Mojave, and setting up the iTunes library, 
pointing to its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV 
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Re: issue with Mojave

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Unless I am mistaken, I hear "security agent has no window". And 
thus, I have never been able to find it with the chooser.


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On 10/13/2018 1:10 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I had tried that, unfortunately this one does not show as a system dialog, at 
least it only happens on one of my macs and not all of them.


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 wrote:

Hi,

On my MBP with TouchBar, the Touch ID or password request does appear normally 
without extra interventions.  I recommend you use the method suggested by 
Oriol, whereby you use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1.  An item named System 
Dialogs should be there, select it then go right and down to the appropriate 
window.  You should easily be able to enter your password in this situation.  
There are a number of situations where System dialogs are present, but not 
readily noticeable to us, but sighted users see them plainly in the way of 
whatever we are focused on as VO users.

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 wrote:

   That is why I bother with clean installs, to make sure issues do not carry 
over. I also have a MBP.

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On 10/13/2018 10:15 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there is 
a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and do a 
clean install to give everything a fresh start.

On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.

   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in Mojave.

   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to sign 
in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo what you 
are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it will read it to 
you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need to hear from others 
too..

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On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad to 
get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be sending a 
report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it happens with 
my mac minis as well.

On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to work, 
I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this to be a 
major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high sierra since I 
never had the problem there.


On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do a 
mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a box on 
the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse to it, 
that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.


On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and miss. When you 
hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift plus space.

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On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home folder, 
you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, voiceover says 
security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying that it's 
preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the password, the 
only way out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. This is on my 
new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.


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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

I had tried that, unfortunately this one does not show as a system dialog, at 
least it only happens on one of my macs and not all of them.

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 1:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On my MBP with TouchBar, the Touch ID or password request does appear 
> normally without extra interventions.  I recommend you use the method 
> suggested by Oriol, whereby you use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1.  An 
> item named System Dialogs should be there, select it then go right and down 
> to the appropriate window.  You should easily be able to enter your password 
> in this situation.  There are a number of situations where System dialogs are 
> present, but not readily noticeable to us, but sighted users see them plainly 
> in the way of whatever we are focused on as VO users.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   That is why I bother with clean installs, to make sure issues do not carry 
> over. I also have a MBP.
> 
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> On 10/13/2018 10:15 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there 
>> is a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and 
>> do a clean install to give everything a fresh start.
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.
>>> 
>>>   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in 
>>> Mojave.
>>> 
>>>   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to 
>>> sign in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo 
>>> what you are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it will 
>>> read it to you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need to 
>>> hear from others too..
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad 
 to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be 
 sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it 
 happens with my mac minis as well.
> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider 
> this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to 
> high sierra since I never had the problem there.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, 
>> to do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that 
>> there is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to 
>> move the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click 
>> idea.
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit 
>>> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO 
>>> plus shift plus space.
>>> 
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>>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone 
 else has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the 
 operating system itself. When moving or copying files to any place 
 outside of your home folder, you are normally prompted for your 
 password. However, in Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no 
 windows, a finder window appears saying that it's preparing to copy 
 files but since there is no way to enter the password, the only way 
 out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. This is on my 
 new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.
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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

H.  That's interesting indeed.  I checked on my system and everything is 
fine.  When I connect to my MBP with Mojave, I see the local media, but not the 
iCloud Music Library based content.  When I connect to my El Capitan server, I 
see everything there as well.  Sure does sound like a security thing to me, but 
I'm not sure where the problem lies.

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On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:48, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Neither. Everything is in the library on the external drive. I booted High 
Sierra which I had cloned to another drive and its all working there. Checked 
settings, didn't see anything different.

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> Hi,
> Are you using Apple Music or iTunes Match?  Just checking to make sure that 
> your music is stored locally instead of being Cloud based.  If you connect to 
> a computer where the music is primarily streamed instead of being stored 
> locally, that Library may show as having no content.
> Later...
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> Hi,
> That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself are 
> extra-terrestrial.
> Later
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I still 
> see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the location in 
> preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot Apple TV, I miss my 
> Star Trek. :)
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> On 10/13/2018 11:45 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
>> disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in case 
>> there's any security code that is required now.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 16:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > wrote:
>>   After installing Mojave, and setting up the iTunes library, pointing to 
>> its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV says there is no 
>> content in the library. What am I missing here? Thanks.
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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Neither. Everything is in the library on the external drive. I 
booted High Sierra which I had cloned to another drive and its all 
working there. Checked settings, didn't see anything different.


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Hi,

Are you using Apple Music or iTunes Match?  Just checking to make sure 
that your music is stored locally instead of being Cloud based.  If you 
connect to a computer where the music is primarily streamed instead of 
being stored locally, that Library may show as having no content.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Hi,

That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself are 
extra-terrestrial.


Later

Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I 
still see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the 
location in preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot 
Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)


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Hi,
It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in 
case there's any security code that is required now.

Later...
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On Oct 12, 2018, at 16:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 
> wrote:
  After installing Mojave, and setting up the iTunes library, pointing 
to its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV says there 
is no content in the library. What am I missing here? Thanks.

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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

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   Uh huh indeed. Guess this extraterrestrial has been among humans too 
long. Hehe.


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Hi,

That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself are 
extra-terrestrial.


Later

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On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I 
still see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the 
location in preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot 
Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)


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Hi,
It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in 
case there's any security code that is required now.

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> wrote:
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to its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV says there 
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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Are you using Apple Music or iTunes Match?  Just checking to make sure that 
your music is stored locally instead of being Cloud based.  If you connect to a 
computer where the music is primarily streamed instead of being stored locally, 
that Library may show as having no content.

Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself are 
extra-terrestrial.

Later

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

  Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I still see 
the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the location in preferences. 
The only thing I have not done is to reboot Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)

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> Hi,
> It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you disconnect 
> then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in case there's any 
> security code that is required now.
> Later...
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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

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Hi,

That's a travesty, missing Star Trek.  Especially, when you yourself are 
extra-terrestrial.

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On Oct 13, 2018, at 13:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I still see 
the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the location in preferences. 
The only thing I have not done is to reboot Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)

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> It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you disconnect 
> then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in case there's any 
> security code that is required now.
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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

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   Nothing seems to work. I have disconnected the external drive and I 
still see the content in iTunes and I have repeated changing the 
location in preferences. The only thing I have not done is to reboot 
Apple TV, I miss my Star Trek. :)


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Hi,

It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you 
disconnect then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in 
case there's any security code that is required now.


Later...

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   After installing Mojave, and setting up the iTunes library, pointing 
to its location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV says there is 
no content in the library. What am I missing here? Thanks.


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Re: Mojave and iTunes Library

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Hi,

It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me.  I suggest you disconnect 
then reconnect and make sure to have your computer handy in case there's any 
security code that is required now.

Later...

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location, and turning on Home Sharing, my Apple TV says there is no content in 
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Re: Extracting wifi info from imac to save for record is this possible?

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Hi,

There's no real need to do anything like that.  It is totally possible to share 
that WiFi password with any other Apple device.  Just make sure that they are 
close to each other, and that you're either using the same Apple ID, or have 
the other person in your contacts, and the WiFi password can be instantly 
shared with the other device without having to share the actual alphanumeric 
string.  Alternatively, this information is stored in your Keychain, and can be 
accessed with a bit of work.

Later...

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On Oct 13, 2018, at 09:11, matthew dyer  
wrote:

Hi all,
 
I have a question tha is a unusual request.  I just got a new computer and need 
to get it online.  I am wondering if there is a way to view the wifi code of 
the wifi network I am currently connected to.  It is a very long code.  I had 
to have someone enter the code for me since it was stored on there  phone.  I 
would like to have it so that I can store it someware and use it to connect the 
new laptop to the network.  If this is a bit off topic I appolage in advance.  
If there is an app that would allow me to  do this.  Thanks.
 
Matthew

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Re: issue with Mojave

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Hi,

On my MBP with TouchBar, the Touch ID or password request does appear normally 
without extra interventions.  I recommend you use the method suggested by 
Oriol, whereby you use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1.  An item named System 
Dialogs should be there, select it then go right and down to the appropriate 
window.  You should easily be able to enter your password in this situation.  
There are a number of situations where System dialogs are present, but not 
readily noticeable to us, but sighted users see them plainly in the way of 
whatever we are focused on as VO users.

Later...

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On Oct 13, 2018, at 11:25, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  That is why I bother with clean installs, to make sure issues do not carry 
over. I also have a MBP.

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On 10/13/2018 10:15 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there 
> is a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and 
> do a clean install to give everything a fresh start.
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.
>> 
>>   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in 
>> Mojave.
>> 
>>   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to 
>> sign in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo 
>> what you are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it will 
>> read it to you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need to hear 
>> from others too..
>> 
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>> On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad 
>>> to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be 
>>> sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it 
>>> happens with my mac minis as well.
 On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
 work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider 
 this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to 
 high sierra since I never had the problem there.
 
> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to 
> do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there 
> is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move 
> the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit 
>> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus 
>> shift plus space.
>> 
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>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
>>> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
>>> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of 
>>> your home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, 
>>> in Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder 
>>> window appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there 
>>> is no way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to 
>>> force the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not 
>>> tried it on my mac minis yet.
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RE: The Power of Twitter Continues to Amaze Me

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mike,

I was referring to the official, Third-party, Twitter app which may be 
downloaded from the app store.  Just search for Twitter and you will discover 
it as it is made by Twitter Inc, or something official-sounding like that.  
(smile).

Mark


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On Behalf Of Michael Busboom
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Power of Twitter Continues to Amaze Me

Hello Mark,

In your original message in this thread, you wrote:

"So, if you have not yet done so, learn how to use the fully VoiceOver
accessible Twitter for iOS app, in order to harness the power of Twitter …“

Are you saying that the Twitter app in iOS12 is fully accessible when using 
VoiceOver, or is there a specific Twitter app that is fully accessible with 
VoiceOver?  Does one need to download the app to which you are referring, or is 
it part of iOS12 and if so, what is it called?  I am anxious to start using 
Twitter for business reasons.

On the humorous side of things, I am glad that you are able to brew excellent 
coffee at home.  I live in Vienna, Austria, a city that has tons of good 
coffee, but I will soon be visiting the States, so I may want to pick up the 
model you suggested and use it whenever I am over there.

Have a great weekend and thanks for a great posting!

Mike 



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So, if you have not yet done so, learn how to use the fully VoiceOver
accessible Twitter for iOS app, in order to harness the power of Twitter

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Re: issue with Mojave

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   That is why I bother with clean installs, to make sure issues do not 
carry over. I also have a MBP.


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On 10/13/2018 10:15 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there is 
a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and do a 
clean install to give everything a fresh start.


On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.

   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in Mojave.

   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to sign 
in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo what you 
are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it will read it to 
you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need to hear from others 
too..

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On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad to 
get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be sending a 
report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it happens with 
my mac minis as well.

On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to work, 
I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this to be a 
major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high sierra since I 
never had the problem there.


On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do a 
mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a box on 
the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse to it, 
that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.


On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and miss. When you 
hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift plus space.

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Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home folder, 
you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, voiceover says 
security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying that it's 
preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the password, the 
only way out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. This is on my 
new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.


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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

Interesting, I never experienced this with high sierra at all, and it only 
happens on my new macbook air, the mac minis don't have the issue at all.

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> The issue was present in High Sierra but not Sierra. I didn’t install High 
> Sierra on my personal computer because it had too many annoying issues for 
> me, but I find that Mojave is a big improvement.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2018, at 15:58, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad 
>> to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be 
>> sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it 
>> happens with my mac minis as well.
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
>>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider 
>>> this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high 
>>> sierra since I never had the problem there.
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to 
 do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there 
 is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move 
 the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
 
> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit 
> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus 
> shift plus space.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> 
> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
>> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
>> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your 
>> home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in 
>> Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window 
>> appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no 
>> way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force 
>> the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it 
>> on my mac minis yet.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

I noticed that as well, I did need to enter my mac password, whenever there is 
a new major release of the operating system, I always erase my drive and do a 
clean install to give everything a fresh start.

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 10:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.
> 
>   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in Mojave.
> 
>   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted to sign 
> in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not echo what you 
> are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so it will read it to 
> you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they need to hear from others 
> too..
> 
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> On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad 
>> to get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be 
>> sending a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it 
>> happens with my mac minis as well.
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
>>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider 
>>> this to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high 
>>> sierra since I never had the problem there.
>>> 
 On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to 
 do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there 
 is a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move 
 the mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
 
> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit 
> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus 
> shift plus space.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
>> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
>> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your 
>> home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in 
>> Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window 
>> appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no 
>> way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force 
>> the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it 
>> on my mac minis yet.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

Interestingly, I am setting up one of my mac minis with mojave now and this 
issue was not happen, works fine, so it appears to be specific to certain types 
of macs.

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad to 
> get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be sending 
> a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it happens 
> with my mac minis as well.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this 
>> to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high 
>> sierra since I never had the problem there.
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to 
>>> do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is 
>>> a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the 
>>> mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
>>> 
 On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and 
 miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift 
 plus space.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your 
> home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in 
> Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window 
> appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no 
> way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force 
> the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it 
> on my mac minis yet.
 
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mike,

The issue was present in High Sierra but not Sierra. I didn’t install High 
Sierra on my personal computer because it had too many annoying issues for me, 
but I find that Mojave is a big improvement.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 13 Oct 2018, at 15:58, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad to 
> get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be sending 
> a report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it happens 
> with my mac minis as well.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to 
>> work, I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this 
>> to be a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high 
>> sierra since I never had the problem there.
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to 
>>> do a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is 
>>> a box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the 
>>> mouse to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
>>> 
 On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and 
 miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift 
 plus space.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
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> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your 
> home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in 
> Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window 
> appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no 
> way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force 
> the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it 
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Re: issue with Mojave

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   If you can see a little, increase the mouse pointer size.

   High Sierra has the same issue and I was hopeful it would be gone in 
Mojave.


   As to Dropbox, if the app is already installed and you are prompted 
to sign in, while VO will speak the fields as you navigate, it will not 
echo what you are typing in. Enter your user ID then move VO and back so 
it will read it to you. I have made Dropbox very aware of this but they 
need to hear from others too..


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On 10/13/2018 6:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad to 
get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be sending a 
report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it happens with 
my mac minis as well.


On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to work, 
I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this to be a 
major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high sierra since I 
never had the problem there.


On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do a 
mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a box on 
the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse to it, 
that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.


On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and miss. When you 
hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift plus space.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home folder, 
you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, voiceover says 
security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying that it's 
preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the password, the 
only way out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. This is on my 
new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.


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Re: Broken EFI after Mojave upgrade

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am surprised you are having issues with the Brilliant display. I often use my 
BrailleNote Apex within VMWare Fusion (8) with both Windows 7 and Windows 10. I 
would be interested in talking to you off line about a couple issues though. 

Take care,

Jonathan Cohn

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 11, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I’ve been doing some thinking, you might wish to do a clean install of 
> OS X Mojave, especially if you have a fully backed up Lenox partition that 
> you can reinstall after you do the clean mahogany install? That might 
> actually solve your problem. Before doing that though I would strongly 
> suggest figuring out how big that partition is subject before you wipe out 
> your drive you have a record of the size of both of the partitions. I am 
> trying to deal with two interesting issues. While virtualizing my Windows 10 
> is a great thing. Because I am more deaf than blind depending on what I’m 
> doing, virtualizing Windows to lease me with no braille display path if you 
> will. Apparently the human where brilliant drivers for jaws do not work in a 
> virtual environment. So I am going to have to come up with a way to take my 
> virtual machine and converted to a boot camp configuration possibly.
> 
> The other issue I’m having actually knew might have some suggestions for, I 
> have a Fedora core 28 virtual machine. But unfortunately have no speak up, 
> and no no, which means no orca. As a time to blow this installation away and 
> start all over again with maybe a customized ISO image? Because having family 
> members that have no knowledge of Lenox trying to reading is certainly not 
> the way to go.
> 
> Any thoughts on these issues? I only other thought is VMware Fusion 11 is 
> certainly helpful, but I’d really wish yes that after you create the virtual 
> machine window and log into Windows that the system does not switch into 
> community view. It makes it very hard on  Jaws.  Sometimes I really do wish 
> that Apple would just open up the entire boot camp thing and allow any 
> operating system therefore one could allocate his, her own hard drive space 
> and put whatever operating system he, she wishes that her. Such is the dream.
> 
> This discussion though, I’m wondering if this can continue on list or what 
> needs to be taken off list of the deal for a very small issue. Any thoughts?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines, amateur radio call, kd0iko.
> 
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 11:12, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Maurice:
>> 
>> Yes, I do indeed remember. Bill is still very much missed.
>> 
>> My current problem appears to be the result of upgrading osx from High
>> Sierra to Mojave. I'm able to execute an EFI launch, but OSX 10.14 seems
>> unable to follow through. The USB 3.1 stick containing the Linux
>> installation has not changed. Exactly what used to work under High
>> Sierra is what no longer works under Mojave, though it's clear Mojave is
>> correctly reading the configuration data because it's error messages
>> correctly identify the root Linux partition by UUID.
>> 
>> And, addressing your point, I have thought of mounting via virtual
>> machine. Once upon a time I had VMware working, but I got tired of the
>> regular upgrades to VMware which seemed never to improve the
>> accessibility of the product. I had it working, but it wasn't a
>> compelling environment for me, and I had a good deal of trouble between
>> the guest OS and the vm chrome.
>> 
>> 
>> I have not had the time to learn how to create a Virtual Box environment
>> to do the same thing. It's what I would try next. I'm quite finished
>> with VMware.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Maurice Mines writes:
>>> Hello, I don’t know if you remember me from the Lenox days, and our late
>>> neutral friend Bill. I am wondering if I am reading this correctly you’re
>>> saying that not only is the Efi  partition broken, but you’re also having
>>> flash drive issues with boot camp? Have you ever thought about possibly
>>> virtualizing your windows? I’m just thinking that might be something
>>> helpful?
>>> 
>>> I’m hoping the suggestion might be helpful.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2018, at 5:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, All:
 
 The other day I upgraded my Airbook from High Sierra to Mojave. The
 upgrade concluded without issues, and almost everything seems to be
 working.
 
 *  Everything on the Mac side seems OK
 *  My Windows 10 (upgraded to 1803) seems OK via Bootcamp
 *  My USB booting over EFI is now broken.
 
 The same USB stick that worked perfectly well under High Sierra no
 longer works.
 
 The error message on screen complains of an inability to find the UUID
 which identifies the Linux root partition. I have confirmed that UUID
 has not changed.
 
 If anyone has suggestions, I would be most appreciative. 

Extracting wifi info from imac to save for record is this possible?

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

I have a question tha is a unusual request.  I just got a new computer and need 
to get it online.  I am wondering if there is a way to view the wifi code of 
the wifi network I am currently connected to.  It is a very long code.  I had 
to have someone enter the code for me since it was stored on there  phone.  I 
would like to have it so that I can store it someware and use it to connect the 
new laptop to the network.  If this is a bit off topic I appolage in advance.  
If there is an app that would allow me to  do this.  Thanks.

Matthew

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Re: No way to import daisybooks into easyReader.

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Hi!
Hmm, no i haven’t found any good way of doing this.
BUt i will keep on testing as this is something i also would like to do.
Thanks for bringing it up.
/A

> 11 okt. 2018 kl. 21:35 skrev Erik Burggraaf :
> 
> That would be me.  Have you found any way to get books into the IOS version?  
> ...Anything at all?  I don't see it.  So for example, if I sign in to cela 
> library, I could presumably download books straight to the app.  However, 
> NNELS is not yet supported.  So if I download a daisy book from NNELS, is 
> there any chance of getting it over to the IOS device for easyreader?
> 
> Dropbox would have been convenient, but I'll take anything.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Erik
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> On October 11, 2018 12:55:19 PM Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> SOmeone asked about importing Daisybooks to EasyReader from dropbox  using 
> Iphone.
> I now have tried this and sadly i can not find a way to do this.
> This was very discouraging to me as i thought it would work as on android.
> But one could always mail to dolphine computer and ask them for that feature.
> /A
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Re: Youtube in safari.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, i must have changed that somewhere because it does not work here.
Any other tip?
/A

> 11 okt. 2018 kl. 21:27 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> hi,
> 
> I just turn ChromeVox off.  There are times that it's useful, so I leave it 
> installed, but turned off.  Press cmd-ctrl-a-a to toggle it on/off.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 13:13, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It actually did but now it stopped.
> Now google chrome works better for me but i have to remove chromeVox as this 
> add-on annoys me.
> /A
> 
>> 11 okt. 2018 kl. 20:53 skrev alia robinson > >:
>> 
>> youtube is working fine for me.
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks!
>> The paranoid company called Apple seem to have made it impossible to play 
>> youtube videos inside safari.
>> At least on my computer even though i have gone through the autoplay 
>> settings and allowed youtube.
>> Are there more settings that youtube need access to?
>> Thanks.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

I did get it to work but it really is a pain, you have to use the trackpad to 
get the mouse in t the window and then click it, I will definitely be sending a 
report to Apple on this one, it will be interesting to see if it happens with 
my mac minis as well.

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to work, 
> I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this to be 
> a major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high sierra since 
> I never had the problem there.
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do 
>> a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a 
>> box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse 
>> to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and 
>>> miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift 
>>> plus space.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else 
 has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating 
 system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your 
 home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in 
 Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window 
 appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no way 
 to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force the 
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

I will try Ann's suggestion, just doing vo+shift+space does not seem to work, 
I'm actually surprised this got through testing, I would consider this to be a 
major bug or a show stopper, I may consider going back to high sierra since I 
never had the problem there.

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do 
> a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a 
> box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse 
> to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and 
>> miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift 
>> plus space.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
>>> seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
>>> itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home 
>>> folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, 
>>> voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window appears 
>>> saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter 
>>> the password, the only way out of this window is to force the finder to 
>>> relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis 
>>> yet.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Oriol Gómez]

Open the application chooser by pressing capslock f3 or capslock fn 3
and choose the security window

On 10/13/18, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do
> a mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a
> box on the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse
> to it, that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.
>
>> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>>   This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit
>> and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus
>> shift plus space.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else
>>> has seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating
>>> system itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your
>>> home folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in
>>> Mojave, voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window
>>> appears saying that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no
>>> way to enter the password, the only way out of this window is to force
>>> the finder to relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it
>>> on my mac minis yet.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

Interesting, never had the problem in Sierra, that makes sense though, to do a 
mouse click on the window. I can see good enough to know that there is a box on 
the screen, I just can't read it or see good enough to move the mouse to it, 
that is a major bug, I will try the mouse click idea.

> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:08 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its hit and 
> miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO plus shift 
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> On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
>> seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
>> itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home 
>> folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, 
>> voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying 
>> that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the 
>> password, the only way out of this window is to force the finder to 
>> relaunch. This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis 
>> yet.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Mike Arrigo]

Just to follow up on this issue, it also happens while installing dropbox, 
there is simply no way to enter the administrator password, either I am missing 
something or this is a major bug.

> On Oct 12, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
> seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
> itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home 
> folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, 
> voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying 
> that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the 
> password, the only way out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. 
> This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.
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Re: issue with Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mike,
What I do in these circumstances is do VO-m-m, bring the mouse, and slide my 
finger toward  me on the trackpad until I hear “window". I then click by 
pressing down on the trackpad and can enter my password. Of course, you have to 
turn the trackpad commander off for this to work.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 13 Oct 2018, at 06:03, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
> seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
> itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home 
> folder, you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, 
> voiceover says security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying 
> that it's preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the 
> password, the only way out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. 
> This is on my new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.
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