Re: Anyone else notice the button bug in the App Store app on the iPhone?

[Eric Oyen]

Already reported via accessibil...@apple.com  
(now lets hope they actually put it in the queue).

-Eric


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 9:14 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Eric,
> 
> exactly the same happened to me. I simply assumed the desired checkbox was 
> checked even though it said unchecked and it worked. But you might be right 
> and it should be reported to Apple.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 26.11.2018 um 03:09 schrieb Eric Oyen :
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Well, I seem to have found a form controls bug in the App Store application 
>> on iOS 12.1. I was asked to confirm my payment details, everything seems 
>> fine until I tried to check the credit card type. I clicked on it using a 
>> bluetooth keyboard and it would say “unchecked!” I would click again, with 
>> exactly the same result.
>> So, I tried on screen (flicking left to the appropriate button control) and 
>> double tapped it with a single finger. Same result: “Unchecked!” There 
>> appears to be no way for me to complete the process without visual help. Can 
>> any of you confirm this?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -Eric
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Re: Anyone else notice the button bug in the App Store app on the iPhone?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Eric,

exactly the same happened to me. I simply assumed the desired checkbox was 
checked even though it said unchecked and it worked. But you might be right and 
it should be reported to Apple.

All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 26.11.2018 um 03:09 schrieb Eric Oyen :
> 
> Hello all,
> Well, I seem to have found a form controls bug in the App Store application 
> on iOS 12.1. I was asked to confirm my payment details, everything seems fine 
> until I tried to check the credit card type. I clicked on it using a 
> bluetooth keyboard and it would say “unchecked!” I would click again, with 
> exactly the same result.
> So, I tried on screen (flicking left to the appropriate button control) and 
> double tapped it with a single finger. Same result: “Unchecked!” There 
> appears to be no way for me to complete the process without visual help. Can 
> any of you confirm this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Eric
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Selecting photos to add to an album?

[Chris Moore]

Hello,
I need to select some photos to add to an album.  Is there a way to do this 
with VO?

Chris

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Anyone else notice the button bug in the App Store app on the iPhone?

[Eric Oyen]

Hello all,
Well, I seem to have found a form controls bug in the App Store application on 
iOS 12.1. I was asked to confirm my payment details, everything seems fine 
until I tried to check the credit card type. I clicked on it using a bluetooth 
keyboard and it would say “unchecked!” I would click again, with exactly the 
same result.
So, I tried on screen (flicking left to the appropriate button control) and 
double tapped it with a single finger. Same result: “Unchecked!” There appears 
to be no way for me to complete the process without visual help. Can any of you 
confirm this?

Thanks

-Eric

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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, wow, that's super cool!  How did you do it?  I've never used Google 
Assistant IOS app.  Do you use it for anything besides controlling the nest?
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 6:33 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> The newest version of the Google assistant iOS app offer Siri shortcuts 
> integration. I just set up Siri commands to control my nest thermostat. And 
> they work very well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 13:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I will 
>> say I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new furnace 
>> that was put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff mentioned 
>> also gets good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it through a 
>> separate app - I'd really like to just run everything through home kit.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
>>> HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
>>> considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit and 
>>> Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
>>> 
>>> I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to 
>>> turn them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on certain 
>>> lights. And then of course he seen that shut everything down. And all 
>>> controllable by Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And everything was easy 
>>> to set up.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of 
 these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to 
 have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the 
 Ecobee3.
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
> 
> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
> 
> temperature,
> humidity,
> motion,
> sound and,
> light.
> 
> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
> can monitor through the iHome Control app.
> 
> More information at:
> 
> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>  
> 
> 
> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find 
> all of them accessible.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are 
>> they all controllable by Siri?
>> 
>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I 
>>> also have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and 
>>> off and I have an August Smart Lock.
>>> 
>>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
 Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
 that you particularly like?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[John JD Denning]

The newest version of the Google assistant iOS app offer Siri shortcuts 
integration. I just set up Siri commands to control my nest thermostat. And 
they work very well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 13:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I will 
> say I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new furnace that 
> was put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff mentioned also 
> gets good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it through a separate 
> app - I'd really like to just run everything through home kit.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
>> HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
>> considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit and 
>> Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
>> 
>> I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to turn 
>> them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on certain 
>> lights. And then of course he seen that shut everything down. And all 
>> controllable by Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And everything was easy 
>> to set up.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of 
>>> these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to 
>>> have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the 
>>> Ecobee3.
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
 Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
 
 The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
 
 temperature,
 humidity,
 motion,
 sound and,
 light.
 
 Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
 can monitor through the iHome Control app.
 
 More information at:
 
 https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
 
 I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find 
 all of them accessible.
 
 Jeff
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are 
> they all controllable by Siri?
> 
> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I 
>> also have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off 
>> and I have an August Smart Lock.
>> 
>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
>>> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
>>> that you particularly like?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: And easy to use audio player, and a few more questions?

[Lorie McCloud]

you mean a folder on the web or in your computer?

I use it for playing either folders of music or individual albums. it also 
plays whatever you've highlighted but only 1 file at a time. I use it to random 
large folders of music without haveing to create playlists. it'll play .ogg 
or.flac or anything. someone told me how to convert files using it but I 
haven't tried that yet.
My Youtube Channel:
"www.youtube.com/loriemccloud   

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Matt Turner  wrote:
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> Hi, I’ve been playing around with VLC.
> I’ve been trying to figure out how to give vlc a folder, and have it watch 
> said folder/ drive for changes.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I used to use Winamp in windows. I now use VLC on my Mac. I really like it. 
>> it has a file conversion feature and a recorder. I don't know how the 
>> recorder works though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Hi folks.
>>> Subject says it all.
>>> I don’t want to tough iTunes, but I have played with VLC.
>>> I used to use foobar2000 on windows, and am trying to find something like 
>>> that.
>>> Anyone also no of a simple recorder for recording things?
>>> Also, is there and accessible cd ripper to rip cd’s in Flac?
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Re: And easy to use audio player, and a few more questions?

[Matt Turner]

Hi, I’ve been playing around with VLC.
I’ve been trying to figure out how to give vlc a folder, and have it watch said 
folder/ drive for changes.

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I used to use Winamp in windows. I now use VLC on my Mac. I really like it. 
> it has a file conversion feature and a recorder. I don't know how the 
> recorder works though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 7:26 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> Subject says it all.
>> I don’t want to tough iTunes, but I have played with VLC.
>> I used to use foobar2000 on windows, and am trying to find something like 
>> that.
>> Anyone also no of a simple recorder for recording things?
>> Also, is there and accessible cd ripper to rip cd’s in Flac?
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Re: And easy to use audio player, and a few more questions?

[Lorie McCloud]

I used to use Winamp in windows. I now use VLC on my Mac. I really like it. it 
has a file conversion feature and a recorder. I don't know how the recorder 
works though.

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> Subject says it all.
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> I used to use foobar2000 on windows, and am trying to find something like 
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> Also, is there and accessible cd ripper to rip cd’s in Flac?
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Re: And easy to use audio player, and a few more questions?

[Jessica Moss]

What’s the difference between foo bar and Vlc?

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> On Nov 25, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I think foobar has a mac version.
> BUt i am not sure.
> /A
> 
>> 25 nov. 2018 kl. 14:26 skrev Matt Turner :
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> Subject says it all.
>> I don’t want to tough iTunes, but I have played with VLC.
>> I used to use foobar2000 on windows, and am trying to find something like 
>> that.
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I will say 
I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new furnace that was 
put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff mentioned also gets 
good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it through a separate app - 
I'd really like to just run everything through home kit.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
> HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
> considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit and 
> Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
> 
> I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to turn 
> them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on certain lights. 
> And then of course he seen that shut everything down. And all controllable by 
> Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And everything was easy to set up.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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>> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of 
>> these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to 
>> have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the 
>> Ecobee3.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>>> 
>>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
>>> 
>>> temperature,
>>> humidity,
>>> motion,
>>> sound and,
>>> light.
>>> 
>>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
>>> can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>>> 
>>> More information at:
>>> 
>>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
>>> of them accessible.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jeff,
 
 thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are 
 they all controllable by Siri?
 
 Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I 
> also have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off 
> and I have an August Smart Lock.
> 
> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
>> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
>> that you particularly like?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John,

The Phillips Hughes bulbs are the ones I seem to come across most often, though 
they are not cheap.
Cheers,
donna


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:00 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
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> I am using LIFX bulbs, eve switches, and eve motion detector.
> 
> The only accessibility problem I have is adjusting colors on the bulbs. It’s 
> a very graphic interface. And not even usable with voiceover on. Everything 
> else is no problem at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:43, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
>> have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
>> have an August Smart Lock.
>> 
>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
>>> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit that 
>>> you particularly like?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: And easy to use audio player, and a few more questions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think foobar has a mac version.
BUt i am not sure.
/A

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Slow safari on some pages with Mac Voiceover.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There’s a swedish site called cdon.com which for me is quite slow with 
VoiceOver.
It seems safari still is reading and loading some objects even though i can 
navigate the page.
I thought i read that it actually was loading more objects.
I don’t know what they have on the page to make it work so slow.
Can i modify some Vo settings to make voiceover work faster or is it just 
patiens  which is the sollution.
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[John JD Denning]

Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit and 
Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.

I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to turn 
them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on certain lights. 
And then of course he seen that shut everything down. And all controllable by 
Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And everything was easy to set up.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of 
> these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to 
> have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the 
> Ecobee3.
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>> 
>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
>> 
>> temperature,
>> humidity,
>> motion,
>> sound and,
>> light.
>> 
>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
>> can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>> 
>> More information at:
>> 
>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>> 
>> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
>> of them accessible.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they 
>>> all controllable by Siri?
>>> 
>>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
 have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
 have an August Smart Lock.
 
 I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
 
 Tia,
 Jeff
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
> that you particularly like?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[John JD Denning]

I am using LIFX bulbs, eve switches, and eve motion detector.

The only accessibility problem I have is adjusting colors on the bulbs. It’s a 
very graphic interface. And not even usable with voiceover on. Everything else 
is no problem at all.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:43, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
> have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
> have an August Smart Lock.
> 
> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  Wondering 
>> what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit that you 
>> particularly like?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the latest 
OS Mojave.
I have a few questions.
Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should I 
have eyes present.
Thanks for any assistance.

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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Command for Control Center

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   Well now it does not work for me. It did when I got the keyboard and 
set it up. And the FN key also will not change keyboard layout. Need to 
investigate this.


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VO does not report anything when I try the key combination.  I’ve had issues 
with this keyboard for other commands, so I’ll chalk it up to another thing I 
can’t do with it.

Thx,
Jeff



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   That happened to me with a new keyboard as well but it sorted itself out. 
Put it in VO help with VO-k and try it again, see if VO reports the correct 
command. Press escape to get out of help mode.

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[fn]+[vo]+[down arrow] doesn’t do anything, but [fn]+[vo]+[up arrow] gets me to 
notification centre.  Maybe something is weird with my keyboard.

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   Try Fn-VO-Down.

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Hi listers,
Is there a way to get to the Control Centre in IOS 12 on an iPhone using a 
bluetooth keyboard?
I found some instructions on the internet indicating to hit 
[control]+[option]+M to get to the status bar and then hit [option]+[down 
arrow] to get to Control Centre, but the [option]+[down arrow] portion of these 
instructions doesn’t do anything for me.
Tia,
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Jeff Berwick]

Oh, sorry…I forgot my thermostat.  I have the Honeywell Lyric T5 which works 
with both Homekit and Google Home as well.

Jeff


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of 
> these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to 
> have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the 
> Ecobee3.
> Donna
> 
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>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>> 
>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
>> 
>> temperature,
>> humidity,
>> motion,
>> sound and,
>> light.
>> 
>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
>> can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>> 
>> More information at:
>> 
>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
>> of them accessible.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they 
>>> all controllable by Siri?
>>> 
>>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
 have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
 have an August Smart Lock.
 
 I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
 
 Tia,
 Jeff
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
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> that you particularly like?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of these 
interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to have a 
thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the Ecobee3.
Donna


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google Home. 
>  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
> 
> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
> 
> temperature,
> humidity,
> motion,
> sound and,
> light.
> 
> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you can 
> monitor through the iHome Control app.
> 
> More information at:
> 
> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>  
> 
> 
> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
> of them accessible.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they 
>> all controllable by Siri?
>> 
>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
>>> have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
>>> have an August Smart Lock.
>>> 
>>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
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 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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 Hi all,
 
 I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
 Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
 that you particularly like?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi Donna,

All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google Home.  
I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.

The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:

temperature,
humidity,
motion,
sound and,
light.

Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you can 
monitor through the iHome Control app.

More information at:

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
 


I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all of 
them accessible.

Jeff


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Jeff,
> 
> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they 
> all controllable by Siri?
> 
> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
>> have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
>> have an August Smart Lock.
>> 
>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
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>>> you particularly like?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jeff,

thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they all 
controllable by Siri?

Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
Thanks,
Donna
 


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> 
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> have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
> have an August Smart Lock.
> 
> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi Donna,

I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also have 
several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I have an 
August Smart Lock.

I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.

Tia,
Jeff


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Re: When to quick nav, or not?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I did this often in Windows so wanted the Mac equivalent. Very 
useful and easy.


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On 11/24/2018 4:02 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello,

ET thanks for the option idea, I just checked and hitting 
command-option-C in the finder echos out copying file as path name, so 
let see if that really worked:
Yes! it worked. Also of note, control-option C will copy Style in Mail 
and I expect Pages.



Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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Copy as Pathname Finder-
  Select document/folder in Finder.
 VO-shift-M.

  Select Copy but do not press Enter. While holding Option key, press 
Enter.


  Paste contents of clipboard into document or in Terminal window.

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For your second question, copy the folder and then if you paste it 
into terminal  it should paste the path. For some reason, I don't 
find the need to copy a path as much on the Macintosh as I do on PC 
computers.  I thought I had pasted into plain text files in textedit 
to get the path also, but when I just tried that, I only got the file 
name not the full path.
If this is something you do often, a AppleScript that gets the 
pasteboard and then puts into a variable as text will help. I would 
not be surprised if you could also do this with automator.

Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
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Hi folks.
I’m just wondering when I should use quick nav?
I only turn it on, when I’m on the web.
Also, is there a way to copy the path of a folder? And how would I 
copy the path, once I’ve found the folder.


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Re: Blocking email addresses

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Moving the message to their spam or junk mail folder should help.

Best wishes,

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Re: Starting An App Automatically At Login

[Pete De Vasto]

Thanks to all for your replies. Sean, I had forgotten about the Open at Login. 
Option for apps on the dock, and since both mail and messages were there, that 
would have been excellent! What I wound up doing in System Preferences, after 
clicking the lock to allow changes, was to click the Add button, then go to the 
toolbar and do a search for mail, then messages. Both apps now open up on 
startup, which is exactly what I wanted.

Pete

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>>> I’m having trouble figuring out how to do this under Mojave. I want to have 
>>> Mail and Messages start automatically each time I login. So I go to system 
>>> Preferences > Users and Groups, select my account, then go to the Login 
>>> Items tab. But only one app comes up in the list of available apps, and 
>>> when I click the Add button I can’t seem to find the list of all apps I can 
>>> choose from. It looks like a Finder-type window is opening, but again, I 
>>> can’t figure out how to get to the list of apps. And yes, I did click the 
>>> lock to make changes. Can someone help me with this?
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Command for Control Center

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Yes with no result.
Thx,
Jeff


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> [fn]+[vo]+[down arrow] doesn’t do anything, but [fn]+[vo]+[up arrow] gets me 
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>>> I found some instructions on the internet indicating to hit 
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Command for Control Center

[Jeff Berwick]

VO does not report anything when I try the key combination.  I’ve had issues 
with this keyboard for other commands, so I’ll chalk it up to another thing I 
can’t do with it.

Thx,
Jeff


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>   That happened to me with a new keyboard as well but it sorted itself out. 
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>> [fn]+[vo]+[down arrow] doesn’t do anything, but [fn]+[vo]+[up arrow] gets me 
>> to notification centre.  Maybe something is weird with my keyboard.
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 Hi listers,
 Is there a way to get to the Control Centre in IOS 12 on an iPhone using a 
 bluetooth keyboard?
 I found some instructions on the internet indicating to hit 
 [control]+[option]+M to get to the status bar and then hit [option]+[down 
 arrow] to get to Control Centre, but the [option]+[down arrow] portion of 
 these instructions doesn’t do anything for me.
 Tia,
 Jeff
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And easy to use audio player, and a few more questions?

[Matt Turner]

Hi folks.
Subject says it all.
I don’t want to tough iTunes, but I have played with VLC.
I used to use foobar2000 on windows, and am trying to find something like that.
Anyone also no of a simple recorder for recording things?
Also, is there and accessible cd ripper to rip cd’s in Flac?

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RE: Bluetooth Keyboard Command for Control Center

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you tried adding the shift key to these commands?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2018 7:52 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Command for Control Center

[fn]+[vo]+[down arrow] doesn’t do anything, but [fn]+[vo]+[up arrow] gets me to 
notification centre.  Maybe something is weird with my keyboard.


> On Nov 24, 2018, at 11:31 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Try Fn-VO-Down.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 11/24/2018 7:11 AM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> Is there a way to get to the Control Centre in IOS 12 on an iPhone using a 
>> bluetooth keyboard?
>> I found some instructions on the internet indicating to hit 
>> [control]+[option]+M to get to the status bar and then hit [option]+[down 
>> arrow] to get to Control Centre, but the [option]+[down arrow] portion of 
>> these instructions doesn’t do anything for me.
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
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RE: Starting An App Automatically At Login

[Simon Fogarty]

Try unlocking the option to make changes.

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Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2018 4:35 AM
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Subject: Starting An App Automatically At Login

Hi all,

I’m having trouble figuring out how to do this under Mojave. I want to have 
Mail and Messages start automatically each time I login. So I go to system 
Preferences > Users and Groups, select my account, then go to the Login Items 
tab. But only one app comes up in the list of available apps, and when I click 
the Add button I can’t seem to find the list of all apps I can choose from. It 
looks like a Finder-type window is opening, but again, I can’t figure out how 
to get to the list of apps. And yes, I did click the lock to make changes. Can 
someone help me with this?

Many thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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