RE: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

There is a Home app on the home screen of my iPhone x,
 Could that be what you are searching for?

I didn't see a Home option in / under settings 

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 2:29 AM
To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to 
our Home

Hi all,

so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add my 
husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in settings.  
But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked through all my 
apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?

Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  How 
do I give my husband access to our home?
TIA,
Donna

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RE: Job wantted

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah lots of apple jobs based out of Australian citys

Would mean moving and that I’m not against.

But when it comes to programmers I’m not into it.

Accessibility would be an area of interest but we can only try by going forward 
and see what happens.



From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 31 March 2019 12:37 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Job wantted

I don’t know of any open positions, but you could check whether Apple is 
advertising for people with accessibility knowledge at the moment. They’re 
probably looking for people with programming skills (i.e., accessibility and 
software development expertise), but even if you don’t have that, it would be 
worth looking for any relevant openings.

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
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Date: Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 03:45
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Subject: Job wantted

Hi List,
Anyone know of a good employer that wants to take on a totally blind person 
with IT Skills?

I’ve just put in a request for redundancy from my current job and now I need to 
find another one.

All options will be looked into
And happy to move if the money is right.

Cheers for any thoughts.

Simon f
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eric,

Sometimes, it helps to bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and either click or 
double-click with VO-Shift-Space or the trackpad if you don’t have the trackpad 
commander enabled.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 1 Apr 2019, at 03:33, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not 
> I interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating 
> this is.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>> experience but not always. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what 
>>> I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 Ok,
 I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
 edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the 
 screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and 
 their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
 today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
 input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed 
 to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even 
 disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He 
 tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t 
 accept input.
 Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
 Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
 details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
 there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
 suggestions on that also welcome.
 thanks.
 Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
I find more and more of this inaccessible editboxes as well. Sometimes it helps 
to use VO Space. In other occasions it helps to play with Tab and Shift Tab. 
and sometimes it's helpful to leave Safari using CMD Tab and going back again.
Not nice but up to now I managed to enter text in all the editboxes I came 
accross.
ALL the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 01.04.2019 um 03:33 schrieb Eric Oyen :
> 
> nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not 
> I interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating 
> this is.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>> experience but not always. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what 
>>> I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 Ok,
 I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
 edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the 
 screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and 
 their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
 today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
 input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed 
 to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even 
 disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He 
 tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t 
 accept input.
 Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
 Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
 details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
 there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
 suggestions on that also welcome.
 thanks.
 Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not I 
interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating this 
is.

-Eric


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
> experience but not always. 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what I 
>> enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> Ok,
>>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
>>> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their 
>>> account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but 
>>> was unable to complete the process because the edit box to input the 
>>> verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so 
>>> on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the 
>>> screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input 
>>> the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
>>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>>> thanks.
>>> Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Well, in my case, the edit box is empty when I go to review it. And yes, as I 
mentioned, the sighted room mate ran into the same problem, the edit box was 
not accepting any input. Hell, I couldn’t even cut and paste (it would bonk as 
soon as I tried).

-Eric


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what I 
> enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> Ok,
>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
>> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
>> verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable 
>> to complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code 
>> would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate 
>> browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and 
>> sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the 
>> assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>> thanks.
>> Eric
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Re: Potential bug in voice dream reader?

[Arnold Schmidt]

I have experienced this issue for a couple updates now, I don't remember when 
it started. It doesn't really matter to me, unless I am wanting to read line by 
line for some reason. I wrote them about it, and they said they have had it 
reported to them, but they can't reproduce it on any of their devices. As with 
the device that rattles until you take it to the shop to have it fixed and it 
won't rattle, they won't be able to do anything about it until they can 
reproduce it. I have found that the more lightly I touch the screen, the less 
likely it is to occur. Also, this latest  update seems better than before. When 
they wrote back to say they can't reproduce the problem, I loaded a book that 
was acting really badly on this iPhone 6 onto my iPhone  5, and it worked 
perfectly. So, it seems to be a problem only on a few devices. Whatever. 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:



I have a very large file that I referenced often in voice dream reader. Voice 
stream reports the file at 35+ hours of reading time. I noticed that if I make 
the mistake of touching the text area, not the control buttons but the actual 
text area, then voice dream is sent off into an unresponsive state. It is as 
though it’s trying to do some heavy processing on the entire 35 hour long file, 
and is totally unresponsive. My only option is to remove the app from memory 
through the app switcher and start over again with a fresh copy of the app, 
being very careful not to touch the text area with this particular file. 
Anybody found this also to be true? Again, it only appears to happen with 
extremely large files.

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Lorie McCloud]

sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
experience but not always. 

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what I 
> enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> Ok,
>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
>> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
>> verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable 
>> to complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code 
>> would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate 
>> browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and 
>> sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the 
>> assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>> thanks.
>> Eric
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can 
navigate that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email 
address or password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO 
will speak what I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the 
information.


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On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

Ok,
I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: edit 
boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen reader. 
The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable to 
complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code would 
not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate browsers 
(Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and sought help 
from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the assigned edit box 
and it still wouldn’t accept input.

Anyone have any clues how to get around this?

Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some suggestions 
on that also welcome.

thanks.

Eric



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How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Ok,
I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: edit 
boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen reader. 
The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable to 
complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code would 
not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate browsers 
(Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and sought help 
from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the assigned edit box 
and it still wouldn’t accept input.

Anyone have any clues how to get around this?

Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some suggestions 
on that also welcome.

thanks.

Eric

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Re: Potential bug in voice dream reader?

[Phil Halton]

Agreed on both counts.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I agree about the document reading feature of Seeing AI not giving as good 
> results as voice dream scanner. I still like seeing AI for some of its other 
> functionality, such as the barcode reading, when I can actually get it to 
> recognize a code, and also particularly the short text.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m using an iPhone eight running the latest iOS. I think this started a few 
>> iOS updates ago. All I know is it was a sudden change from working just fine 
>> to having this problem. By the way just bought the Voice Dream scanner. 
>> Works quite well better than the Microsoft seeing a I  app has been working.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Phil,
>>> What sort of device are you using the reader on? With my old iPad mini two, 
>>> which I no longer have, voice dream would very quickly become extremely 
>>> sluggish, and it didn’t take a huge file. But on my iPhone 7 Plus which is 
>>> now sort of acting like an iPod, and my 10 R, I’m not seeing that problem, 
>>> even with the very long Catholic study Bible, which voice dream says takes 
>>> 139 hours to read. It takes a little while to load, but once loaded, I’m 
>>> not seeing that problem that you referred to.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
 
 
 
 I have a very large file that I referenced often in voice dream reader. 
 Voice stream reports the file at 35+ hours of reading time. I noticed that 
 if I make the mistake of touching the text area, not the control buttons 
 but the actual text area, then voice dream is sent off into an 
 unresponsive state. It is as though it’s trying to do some heavy 
 processing on the entire 35 hour long file, and is totally unresponsive. 
 My only option is to remove the app from memory through the app switcher 
 and start over again with a fresh copy of the app, being very careful not 
 to touch the text area with this particular file. Anybody found this also 
 to be true? Again, it only appears to happen with extremely large files.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
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Jumping to links.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I upgraded to the latest Mojave  this weekend, and since then I haven't been 
able to jump to links. I'm using the VO command L keystroke and it doesn't fail 
but it doesn't go to the link either. Has anybody else able to reproduce 
especially if you haven't updated to the most recent version of Mojave that 
came out last week. 

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Re: Finding modem mac address?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, you'll probably need to connect to the modem over an Ethernet cable and 
use its interface to access the MAC address. Alternatively, you can use the arp 
-a command from the Mac OS terminal.
http://osxdaily.com/2016/11/03/view-lan-device-ip-address-arp/
but this only gives you what you need if the MAC address of the Ethernet port 
is the same as the MAC address of the modem's interface to the outside (e.g., 
the one that attaches to the cable from your service provider).

On 3/31/19, 18:34, "'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries" 
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Dear List,
I have a modem that I want to use with Comcast.
There is no sticker on the modem. It was on a piece of paper, and I can’t 
find it.
So is there a way to find the mac address of the NetGear modem using a 
terminal command?
Thanks in advance,
Rob

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Re: Finding modem mac address?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If you can connect to the device via the web and have the Admin credentials, 
you should be able to get its MAC Address via the web portal.  No need for 
Terminal.  Either way, you're going to need to connect to it in some manner, 
otherwise, you'll need sighted assistance.

Later...
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Dear List,
I have a modem that I want to use with Comcast.
There is no sticker on the modem. It was on a piece of paper, and I can’t find 
it.
So is there a way to find the mac address of the NetGear modem using a terminal 
command?
Thanks in advance,
Rob

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Re: Navigating with Braille Display

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathan.
   Current Braille key assignments like the shortcuts shared by Jason work.

   Space with 7 is delete, space with 8 is return. The 1-7, 2-7, 3-7, 
4-7, 4-7 map the various control keys.


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On 3/31/2019 3:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Also, though I have not truly had luck with it, if you use dot 8 with 
space, it should work for a toggle of modifier keys. So if you want to 
lock the VO modifiers

space-8-2 space-8-3 should lock the control and option keys.

Now, I need to read that page sent earlier in the thread.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:15 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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Or a three-step process if you want, e.g., Command-Shift-R to reply to 
all recipients of a mail message (Dot1+Dot7+Space, Dot4+Dot7+Space, 
r). Cut/Copy/Paste should work as usual, to answer the other question.


On 3/30/19, 12:52, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
> wrote:


   Thanks. So its a two step process for such commands. I 
appreciate this.


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   On 3/30/2019 9:32 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Dots 1-7 with space, followed by a letter, issues the command key in 
combination with that letter (e.g., dots 1-7+space, q issues 
Command-Q). If you look up the key assignments under the displays tab 
of the braille options in VoiceOver Utility, you'll find braille 
display key combinations  for the control, option and shift keys as well.


On 3/30/19, 00:17, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
> wrote:


Jason,
Here is another question. How to execute commands with the 
braille

display such as cmd-q to close an app or cmd-c to copy.

There are several commands on that list to map braille keys to
command, option, etc. How are they used? Thanks again.

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On 3/28/2019 5:18 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I tend to use the qwerty keyboard for navigating, but you can use 
the braille display as well - see the commands listed at

https://support.apple.com/en-bn/HT209138

For example, dots 2-3-4 with space enters the menu; dot 4 with space 
and dot 1 with space move to next/previous item, respectively; dot 6 
with space opens a menu and moves successively down the list of menu 
items; dots 3-6 with space activate an option, and so on.


While it's true that the command assignments vary to some extent by 
braille display manufacturer/model, the commands involving the 
braille input keys appear to be the same across devices and defined 
by Apple.


On 3/27/19, 13:18, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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Probably pretty basic. I want to quickly come up to speed on 
using
the Focus Blue 5th with the Mac. I have the list of commands at 
hand. I
would like to hear from someone who could help me in this, off 
list is

fine too.

Here are some areas I need to work out. One is navigating 
the menus.
I can select what I want but could not activate it. Example, 
changing

views in the Finder. Or closing a Finder window.

Another area is when in an app, say VO Utility, how to choose a
category then jump tp the options.

This should help me become grounded, thanks.

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Finding modem mac address?

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I have a modem that I want to use with Comcast.
There is no sticker on the modem. It was on a piece of paper, and I can’t find 
it.
So is there a way to find the mac address of the NetGear modem using a terminal 
command?
Thanks in advance,
Rob

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Re: Navigating with Braille Display

[Jonathan Cohn]

Also, though I have not truly had luck with it, if you use dot 8 with space, it 
should work for a toggle of modifier keys. So if you want to lock the VO 
modifiers 
space-8-2 space-8-3 should lock the control and option keys.

Now, I need to read that page sent earlier in the thread.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:15 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Or a three-step process if you want, e.g., Command-Shift-R to reply to all 
> recipients of a mail message (Dot1+Dot7+Space, Dot4+Dot7+Space, r). 
> Cut/Copy/Paste should work as usual, to answer the other question.
> 
> On 3/30/19, 12:52, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>  wrote:
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>Thanks. So its a two step process for such commands. I appreciate this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>Many believe that we have been visited
>in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>On 3/30/2019 9:32 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Dots 1-7 with space, followed by a letter, issues the command key in 
>> combination with that letter (e.g., dots 1-7+space, q issues Command-Q). If 
>> you look up the key assignments under the displays tab of the braille 
>> options in VoiceOver Utility, you'll find braille display key combinations  
>> for the control, option and shift keys as well.
>> 
>> On 3/30/19, 00:17, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jason,
>> Here is another question. How to execute commands with the braille
>> display such as cmd-q to close an app or cmd-c to copy.
>> 
>> There are several commands on that list to map braille keys to
>> command, option, etc. How are they used? Thanks again.
>> 
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 3/28/2019 5:18 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> I tend to use the qwerty keyboard for navigating, but you can use the 
>>> braille display as well - see the commands listed at
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-bn/HT209138
>>> 
>>> For example, dots 2-3-4 with space enters the menu; dot 4 with space and 
>>> dot 1 with space move to next/previous item, respectively; dot 6 with space 
>>> opens a menu and moves successively down the list of menu items; dots 3-6 
>>> with space activate an option, and so on.
>>> 
>>> While it's true that the command assignments vary to some extent by braille 
>>> display manufacturer/model, the commands involving the braille input keys 
>>> appear to be the same across devices and defined by Apple.
>>> 
>>> On 3/27/19, 13:18, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably pretty basic. I want to quickly come up to speed on using
>>> the Focus Blue 5th with the Mac. I have the list of commands at hand. I
>>> would like to hear from someone who could help me in this, off list is
>>> fine too.
>>> 
>>> Here are some areas I need to work out. One is navigating the menus.
>>> I can select what I want but could not activate it. Example, changing
>>> views in the Finder. Or closing a Finder window.
>>> 
>>> Another area is when in an app, say VO Utility, how to choose a
>>> category then jump tp the options.
>>> 
>>> This should help me become grounded, thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Potential bug in voice dream reader?

[Mary Otten]

I agree about the document reading feature of Seeing AI not giving as good 
results as voice dream scanner. I still like seeing AI for some of its other 
functionality, such as the barcode reading, when I can actually get it to 
recognize a code, and also particularly the short text.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I’m using an iPhone eight running the latest iOS. I think this started a few 
> iOS updates ago. All I know is it was a sudden change from working just fine 
> to having this problem. By the way just bought the Voice Dream scanner. Works 
> quite well better than the Microsoft seeing a I  app has been working.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Phil,
>> What sort of device are you using the reader on? With my old iPad mini two, 
>> which I no longer have, voice dream would very quickly become extremely 
>> sluggish, and it didn’t take a huge file. But on my iPhone 7 Plus which is 
>> now sort of acting like an iPod, and my 10 R, I’m not seeing that problem, 
>> even with the very long Catholic study Bible, which voice dream says takes 
>> 139 hours to read. It takes a little while to load, but once loaded, I’m not 
>> seeing that problem that you referred to.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a very large file that I referenced often in voice dream reader. 
>>> Voice stream reports the file at 35+ hours of reading time. I noticed that 
>>> if I make the mistake of touching the text area, not the control buttons 
>>> but the actual text area, then voice dream is sent off into an unresponsive 
>>> state. It is as though it’s trying to do some heavy processing on the 
>>> entire 35 hour long file, and is totally unresponsive. My only option is to 
>>> remove the app from memory through the app switcher and start over again 
>>> with a fresh copy of the app, being very careful not to touch the text area 
>>> with this particular file. Anybody found this also to be true? Again, it 
>>> only appears to happen with extremely large files.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Potential bug in voice dream reader?

[Phil Halton]

I’m using an iPhone eight running the latest iOS. I think this started a few 
iOS updates ago. All I know is it was a sudden change from working just fine to 
having this problem. By the way just bought the Voice Dream scanner. Works 
quite well better than the Microsoft seeing a I  app has been working.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> What sort of device are you using the reader on? With my old iPad mini two, 
> which I no longer have, voice dream would very quickly become extremely 
> sluggish, and it didn’t take a huge file. But on my iPhone 7 Plus which is 
> now sort of acting like an iPod, and my 10 R, I’m not seeing that problem, 
> even with the very long Catholic study Bible, which voice dream says takes 
> 139 hours to read. It takes a little while to load, but once loaded, I’m not 
> seeing that problem that you referred to.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a very large file that I referenced often in voice dream reader. 
>> Voice stream reports the file at 35+ hours of reading time. I noticed that 
>> if I make the mistake of touching the text area, not the control buttons but 
>> the actual text area, then voice dream is sent off into an unresponsive 
>> state. It is as though it’s trying to do some heavy processing on the entire 
>> 35 hour long file, and is totally unresponsive. My only option is to remove 
>> the app from memory through the app switcher and start over again with a 
>> fresh copy of the app, being very careful not to touch the text area with 
>> this particular file. Anybody found this also to be true? Again, it only 
>> appears to happen with extremely large files.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Orbit reader and translating files to read.

[Agent086b]

Hi,
.TXT files will work in the Orbit. 
Max.

> On 1 Apr 2019, at 3:19 am, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
> 
> Hi list.
> I just purchased the orbit reader and I must say that so far I am very 
> impressed with it. 
> I am looking now for an easy solution to translate rtf txt and doc files to 
> be read on the orbit. 
> Most of the things that I need to access are in Greek but also in English 
> contracted braille.
> What do people use on the Mac as a braille translator. Duxbury is obviously 
> out of the question with its ridiculous price. 
> I found the lib Louis translator but I don’t have the knowledge to compile it 
> for the Mac and even then I don’t know if it is accessible to voice over. 
> I downloaded braille blaster, but, for the life of me, I do not understand 
> the user interface and I didn’t find any reference to a Greek braille table. 
> I know there is odt2braille but I tried it in open office and it doesn’t seem 
> to work at all. 
> Any help is very much appreciated.
> 
> Nektarios. 
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Re: Potential bug in voice dream reader?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Phil,
What sort of device are you using the reader on? With my old iPad mini two, 
which I no longer have, voice dream would very quickly become extremely 
sluggish, and it didn’t take a huge file. But on my iPhone 7 Plus which is now 
sort of acting like an iPod, and my 10 R, I’m not seeing that problem, even 
with the very long Catholic study Bible, which voice dream says takes 139 hours 
to read. It takes a little while to load, but once loaded, I’m not seeing that 
problem that you referred to.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I have a very large file that I referenced often in voice dream reader. Voice 
> stream reports the file at 35+ hours of reading time. I noticed that if I 
> make the mistake of touching the text area, not the control buttons but the 
> actual text area, then voice dream is sent off into an unresponsive state. It 
> is as though it’s trying to do some heavy processing on the entire 35 hour 
> long file, and is totally unresponsive. My only option is to remove the app 
> from memory through the app switcher and start over again with a fresh copy 
> of the app, being very careful not to touch the text area with this 
> particular file. Anybody found this also to be true? Again, it only appears 
> to happen with extremely large files.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm, well, we have not had such luck.  I have had to manually enter the codes.
Cheers,
Donna


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> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:51 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> I’ve not had any items that I had to manually enter a code. Everything has 
> been a code that you just scan. Just point the camera at it you don’t even 
> have to have it right side up. Unless I’ve been so darn lucky that they’ve 
> always been right side up.
> 
> Here is the Apple website.
> https://www.apple.com/ios/home/accessories/
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey ET,
>> 
>> If you google Compatible products with Apple Home, one result you'll get is 
>> an Apple page that lists compatible products.
>> 
>> One product that my husband and I have been particularly happy with is the 
>> Wemo smart plug.  You plug it into an outlet, and you can control all kinds 
>> of stuff with it.  It's also very easy to pair with HomeKit because you 
>> don't have to enter a code.  Many of the other products require you to enter 
>> a code, so you will need sighted assistance to set them up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible with 
>>> HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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 On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to 
>> add my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done 
>> in settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I 
>> looked through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in 
>> Settings?
>> 
>> Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was 
>> wrong.  How do I give my husband access to our home?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

[John JD Denning]

I’ve not had any items that I had to manually enter a code. Everything has been 
a code that you just scan. Just point the camera at it you don’t even have to 
have it right side up. Unless I’ve been so darn lucky that they’ve always been 
right side up.

Here is the Apple website.
https://www.apple.com/ios/home/accessories/


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:25, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey ET,
> 
> If you google Compatible products with Apple Home, one result you'll get is 
> an Apple page that lists compatible products.
> 
> One product that my husband and I have been particularly happy with is the 
> Wemo smart plug.  You plug it into an outlet, and you can control all kinds 
> of stuff with it.  It's also very easy to pair with HomeKit because you don't 
> have to enter a code.  Many of the other products require you to enter a 
> code, so you will need sighted assistance to set them up.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible with 
>> HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  
 wrote:
 
 It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to 
> add my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done 
> in settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I 
> looked through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in 
> Settings?
> 
> Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong. 
>  How do I give my husband access to our home?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Why you should pick up the 2017 10.5-inch iPad Pro instead of the new iPad Air, Apple Insider

[M. Taylor]

Why you should pick up the 2017 10.5-inch iPad Pro instead of the new iPad
Air
By: Mark Linsangan
Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:41 AM 

A couple of weeks ago, Apple quietly announced a new iPad Air. This new
third generation Air now features Apple's latest A12 Bionic processor, a
laminated Retina display and now supports the first generation Apple Pencil
and Smart Keyboard. But should you buy this over the 2017 10.5" iPad Pro?

The new 2019 iPad Air retails for $499 and goes all the way up to $779 for a
256GB, Wi-Fi and cellular model. We've been using this iPad as our daily
tablet for the past few days to watch YouTube videos or catch up on some
shows on Hulu, answer emails and doodle some artworks for fun. Before Apple
announced this new Air we regularly used the 10.5-inch iPad Pro from 2017
which physically looks identical to this new iPad Air, minus an extra set of
speakers at the top, and a camera flash on the back.

This new iPad Air, as we mentioned, has new internals. It's using the A12
Bionic processor found in iPhone XR, XS, XS Max, and the new iPad mini 5 so
it's reliable, and fast. I didn't notice any slowdowns whatsoever during my
testing. 

It also has a new display that's more color accurate and one that looks way
better than any of the previous models. It also now supports the first
generation Apple Pencil.

The two speakers are powerful and loud, as they have always been on an iPad.
But, like with most iPads, you're likely going to cover at least one speaker
with your hand, muffling the sound a bit.

The new Air also features a smart connector on the right hand side of the
device to use Apple's Smart Keyboard. We think it's the best keyboard you
can buy for the iPad, even though it feels a bit mushy at times, but for
whatever reason, this feels right to us. There are hundreds of Bluetooth
keyboards available on the market, but if you're looking for the best, the
Smart Keyboard is the one you should consider buying.

The new iPad Air is pretty great. You're getting a really fast processor,
amazing display, first party keyboard support. 

Despite all this, right now, you should really look into getting a 2017
10.5-inch iPad Pro instead.

With the iPad Pro, you're getting ProMotion display which gives you a 120Hz
refresh rate versus the 60Hz found on the Air. This makes the UI feel more
responsive to your touch and has some other niceties when drawing with an
Apple Pencil.

Two, you're getting an extra pair of speakers which is notably better for
consuming media or playing music -and if you cover one with a hand, you lose
less than you are if you cover one of two speakers on the iPad Air. And,
you're also getting a slightly better rear camera with an LED flash if iPad
photography is your thing.

The difference in processing power between the A10X Fusion and A12 Bionic is
slight, but the A12 Bionic has a lead. Regardless, the A10X on the 10.5-inch
iPad Pro is still a powerful processor that can handle anything you throw at
it. From Pro apps to graphic intensive games, you're not going to be
disappointed with either model's performance.

Both models support the first generation Apple Pencil, so this is a dead
heat. Unless you use the half-inch Lightning adapter, you've still got to
hang the Apple Pencil off the iPad like an expensive lollipop stick, instead
of the magnetic wireless charging on the 2018 iPad Pro lineup.

Geekbench scores shows that the new iPad Air scored 4765 in single core and
11379 in multi core while the 10.5-inch iPad Pro scored 3916 in single core
and 9346 in multi core. In the real world, the Pro model also has 4GB of RAM
vs 3GB found on the 2019 Air, which means that more apps can be stored in
RAM, and not dumped when things get tight.

The price between the two are really close and sometimes, you can even find
the older 10.5-inch Pro model at a much lower price than the newly announced
Air.

If you're looking to purchase your first iPad and you don't want the new
iPad mini or the regular 9.7-inch iPad or just don't have enough money to
buy the new 11-inch or 12.9-inch Pro models, look into the 2017 iPad Pro.
It's almost the same price, if not a bit less expensive than the new 2019
iPad Air, plus you're getting a much better display with ProMotion, four
speakers, and a slightly better camera.

Where to buy
Apple authorized resellers are currently accepting orders for the new 2019
iPad Air and iPad mini 5.

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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey ET,

If you google Compatible products with Apple Home, one result you'll get is an 
Apple page that lists compatible products.

One product that my husband and I have been particularly happy with is the Wemo 
smart plug.  You plug it into an outlet, and you can control all kinds of stuff 
with it.  It's also very easy to pair with HomeKit because you don't have to 
enter a code.  Many of the other products require you to enter a code, so you 
will need sighted assistance to set them up.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible with 
> HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to 
 add my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in 
 settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked 
 through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?
 
 Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  
 How do I give my husband access to our home?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Orbit reader and translating files to read.

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hi list.
I just purchased the orbit reader and I must say that so far I am very 
impressed with it. 
I am looking now for an easy solution to translate rtf txt and doc files to be 
read on the orbit. 
Most of the things that I need to access are in Greek but also in English 
contracted braille.
What do people use on the Mac as a braille translator. Duxbury is obviously out 
of the question with its ridiculous price. 
I found the lib Louis translator but I don’t have the knowledge to compile it 
for the Mac and even then I don’t know if it is accessible to voice over. 
I downloaded braille blaster, but, for the life of me, I do not understand the 
user interface and I didn’t find any reference to a Greek braille table. 
I know there is odt2braille but I tried it in open office and it doesn’t seem 
to work at all. 
Any help is very much appreciated.

Nektarios. 

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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible 
with HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
Cheers,
Donna



On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:

It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add my 
husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in settings.  
But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked through all my 
apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?

Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  How 
do I give my husband access to our home?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
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> It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
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>> my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in 
>> settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked 
>> through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?
>> 
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>> How do I give my husband access to our home?
>> TIA,
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

[John JD Denning]

It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add 
> my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in 
> settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked 
> through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?
> 
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> How do I give my husband access to our home?
> TIA,
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Potential bug in voice dream reader?

[Phil Halton]

I have a very large file that I referenced often in voice dream reader. Voice 
stream reports the file at 35+ hours of reading time. I noticed that if I make 
the mistake of touching the text area, not the control buttons but the actual 
text area, then voice dream is sent off into an unresponsive state. It is as 
though it’s trying to do some heavy processing on the entire 35 hour long file, 
and is totally unresponsive. My only option is to remove the app from memory 
through the app switcher and start over again with a fresh copy of the app, 
being very careful not to touch the text area with this particular file. 
Anybody found this also to be true? Again, it only appears to happen with 
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You need to go into the Home app itself.  When your specific Home is visible on 
the screen, the connected accessories will be listed.  Swipe left to the very 
first item on the screen.  It is named "Add & Edit Home" to VO.  Double-tap 
that item.  If you had multiple homes, you would choose the one you wish to 
work with, otherwise, just swipe through the items on this screen, and you'll 
see one for inviting someone to your Home.  Follow the prompts.

Later...

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On Mar 31, 2019, at 07:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add my 
husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in settings.  
But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked through all my 
apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?

Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  How 
do I give my husband access to our home?
TIA,
Donna

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Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add my 
husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in settings.  
But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked through all my 
apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?

Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  How 
do I give my husband access to our home?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Languages, the Orbit Reader and VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

Thank you so much for this. I had removed Braille screen input from the rotor, 
but when I put it back and turned to that setting in the rotor, I was able to 
change both input and output to French so it should work with German for Mike.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 30 Mar 2019, at 23:32, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I am not sure about output. For input, if you add a German keyboard to your 
> IOS device in Language / Region settings, then when using the Braille 
> onscreen input a two finger swipe up changes the input. I have successfully 
> used this to switch between Hebrew and English. I know on the Mac, 
> command-space can be mapped to switch languages, I don't know if this same 
> keyboard combination works on IOS. If so, it would probably be space-1-7 
> followed by space to switch languages.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
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>> On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mike,
>> 
>> Annoyingly, it seems that you have to switch the iPhone language to change 
>> the Braille. I have a Focus 14 paired with my iPhone and I tried changing 
>> the VoiceOver language and the input keyboard to French, but the only 
>> Braille options were English language choices. I know the iPhone works fine 
>> with French Braille so it seems the only option is to change the iPhone 
>> language for the whole system.
>> To be fair, this doesn’t take very long, it’s just annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 15:38, Michael Busboom >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I recently purchased an Orbit Reader 20 and have successfully paired it 
>>> with my iPhone.  However, I have only read material in English thus far.  
>>> If I switch VO to read German, will I automatically get German Braille, or 
>>> do I need to download Braille tables from Orbit Research?  Does VO 
>>> automatically output in German computer Braille when I switch to German 
>>> from within the rotor options?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much, and have a great weekend, all of you,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mary,

I use Bookshare a ton.  But I usually read the books in braille on my 
VarioUltra.  I prefer reading to listening, so I like that option much better.  
If I do listen to a book, I have both the Bard app, and an Audible 
subscription, so I usually use one of those options.  I love the Voice Dream 
Reader app, but just find that with these other options, I don't end up needing 
it much.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Wow! I can’t imagine not using Voice Dream. I guess you don’t use book share 
> much? I have a massive voice dream reader library, much of which comes from 
> book share, although not all, since you can get PDF files from all over and 
> import them into Voice Dream, which I have done.
> Mary
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>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 8:04 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Thanks, Mary.  I don't use Voice Dream Reader much any more, but what you 
>> say about better results sounds promising.  thanks for responding.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Well, what makes it better at least for me is that I get better scans. And 
>>> also everything is done on the phone, nothing in the cloud. And I get to 
>>> read with my Voice Dream voices, rather than what knfb wants me to read 
>>> with. That is a personal preference of course. The app is fast. I like the 
>>> PDF feature. I like being able to save the documents in my voice dream 
>>> library if I so choose. It’s just a simpler interface. But for me the 
>>> bottom line is, I get better results.
>>> 
>>> 
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 Hi Mary,
 
 What makes it better than KNFB reader?  
 thanks,
 Donna
 
 
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated 
> version of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning 
> app. The scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and 
> is, at least in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB 
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Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Mary,
Yes, I noticed this when I did the update on voice dream reader, Even though it 
is $9.99 in New Zealand I still think it is  worth it. The more options we have 
to read printed text the better.
Take care,
Petrus 

> On 31/03/2019, at 9:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated version 
> of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning app. The 
> scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and is, at least in 
> my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB Reader, for which I paid 
> a lot more than six bucks.
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