Re: List View versus Column View

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On 20/5/24 00:03, Brad Snyder wrote:
Asking which is better, List view or Column view; is like asking which 
is better, Chocolate or Vanilla ice cream.

The answer you get, depends on who you ask.

I agree, and they're both available at any time.

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Re: List View versus Column View

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On 19/5/24 17:50, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
   I have always used list view on the Mac. I would like some feedback 
on this as it may help me when using a braille display connected to 
the Mac.


   Things such as, are there any areas in macOS where one view is 
better over the other?


List view does all I need.

I generally just use Command-Down-Arrow to move into files or 
subdirectories.


Right/Left-Arrow collapse/expand subdirectories. Option-Right-Arrow 
expands the directory in the VO cursor, and all of its subdirectories. I 
don't use these commands as often.


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Re: Problem reseting touch ID with stolen device protection on.

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You might have to reset the device altogether, then recover your data from an iCloud backup. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Paul Hopewell Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 11:23To: macvisionaries Subject: Problem reseting touch ID with stolen device protection on.Hello, I have a backup iPhone SE 2020 just updated to IOS 17.5. Touch ID no longer works so I need to reset it by adding a new fingerprint. I have stolen device protection set on which means that I have to do Touch ID to let me add a fingerprint! This iPhone SE is my backup phone and has been in a desk drawer at home for ages and has not left home for weeks. I have just left it switched on for an hour or so in the hope that it would then let me add the new fingerprint, but no luck. Any ideas on how to solve this problem? Many thanks … Paul Hopewell -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/73ED08F0-3A8F-432C-B0E7-53F6315B3736%40hopewell.org.uk. 



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Re: Using P M Set To Schedule Automatic Shutdown Mac OS Sonoma

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On 7/5/24 10:52, Pete De Vasto wrote:
I think that the problem is that, by default, the root user is 
disabled. On older versions, Apple says you can go into the Directory 
utility, and from there once you type in your local password you can 
do Edit 
I have sudo working on my Sonoma system without ever having used the 
Directory Utility.


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Re: Using P M Set To Schedule Automatic Shutdown Mac OS Sonoma

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On 5/5/24 16:19, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:


My sighted wife just got a new M3 iMac running Sonoma, and I want to 
help her configure it to shut down at a certain time each day like her 
earlier computer did. I have hers and my older  Macs running versions 
earlier than Sonoma, and could enable Root using the Directory utility 
so I could accomplish this. Under Sonoma, however, the Directory 
utility no longer appears to have the option to do this, even after 
clicking the lock to prevent changes. I may be missing something, but 
if anyone has been able to use P M Set under Sonoma, I’d love some help.



Can you just run the sudo command and give your password when prompted?

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Re: qc 25 bose headphones with iphone SE

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Yes, that’s what you need. From: ngc5055 via MacVisionaries Date: Saturday, May 4, 2024 at 11:46To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: qc 25 bose headphones with iphone SEok great, thanks ...my iPhone is a 2nd gen S E. SO the 3.5 mmm to lightning apapter would work?On May 4, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote: That depends on which iPhone you have.If you have an iPhone 15 or 15 Pro, then you need a 3.5mm to USB-C adapter.If you have any other iPhone without a headphone jack, then you need a 3.5mm to Lightning adapter. Both are Available from Apple for $9 USD. HTH.- Brad - On May 4, 2024, at 10:30, ngc5055 via MacVisionaries  wrote: Hi,For my iphone SE I would need a converter to connect the headphones to my iphone. The bose qc 25  use a 3.5 mm. Does anyone know wich  converter from apple is needed?Thanks.Patrick -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/87113740-7A76-44EC-8C6E-A87858FB4DFA%40icloud.com.  -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1A7E8773-4ACE-4A47-ABAA-0FFFB87E77C5%40swbell.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/7BB0032E-719C-40E4-A56C-01BD35820170%40icloud.com.



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Re: Unable to Boot into New Startup Volume

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On 1/5/24 20:55, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Google seems to point to the master boot record  (MBR). Anyone have 
experience with this function?


My understanding is that Intel-based machines no longer have master boot 
records - it's all UEFI.


Apple Silicon machines have their own boot process that, as far as I 
know, doesn't follow any externally specified standard.


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Re: 2020 Mini Stuck on Sonoma 14.2.1

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On 1/5/24 09:06, Steve Matzura wrote:


I keep hearing about updates to 14.4, but I never actually receive 
them. If I go to "About this Mac," it does not show that there are any 
updates. Did I do something wrong and accidentally disable this 
somewhere along the way?


Does it show that automatic updates are enabled in System Settings -> 
General -> Software Update?


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Re: Macintosh vs iPad

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On 28/4/24 09:49, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

For those that have both an iPad and a M1, M2 or M3 Mac, when do you
feel the need to use the Mac instead of your iPad. When does the iPad
seem particularly frustrating   .


My iPad is very old at this point and mostly sits unused. By contrast, 
I'm a daily Mac user, although more of my time is spent in Linux than on 
the Mac.


I couldn't use the iPad for terminal-related work, which I do 
frequently. So, for me, it couldn't be a mac substitute. As far as I 
know, you can't run LaTeX directly on an iPad; nor can you use various 
text editors such as Vim, Emacs, VSCode, etc. Git doesn't run on an iPad 
either. Most of my writing is in Git repositories, written in LaTeX, 
Markdown or HTML dependning on the project.


So, basically, no.

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Re: A very handy way to deal with junk mail

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I run my own mail server. I have it configured to train its filter on 
all of the mail that I move into the spam folder. Anything automatically 
placed in the spam folder and later moved out of it manually is 
automatically trained as legitimate mail.


I would expect commercial mail providers to do the same, probably in 
more sophisticated ways.


On 17/4/24 11:36, denise Barajas wrote:
Hey, this certainly sounds like a very nifty and helpful tip. I'll 
totally give this a try. I will admit though, sometimes there is the 
occasional email that truly should belong in your inbox,so this is 
something to just thoroughly go through it at first. Maybe a few a day 
should work out, that way nobody needs to enslave themselves to the 
task. Anyway, hopefully this also finds you well.



Warm and sincere regards,


Denise Barajas

On 4/17/2024 09:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

I’m posting this to the list because it was something I only just 
learned about, and it has turned out to be very handy.


Apple has an email address that you can use to report junk mail.  All 
you have to do is forward the offending message to ab...@icloud.com.  
I was skeptical of whether this would work, but it really does.  
Forwarding these messages has taken me down from about 250 junk mails 
a day, to one, if that.  When you’re getting as much junk mail as I 
was, it’s kind of a pain to have to forward every message, but it 
really does work.  It was only a matter of a few days before my junk 
mail started dropping off dramatically.


As I said, I didn’t know about this until I started googling what to 
do about excessive junk mail, so I thought there might be others here 
would benefit as well.

Cheers,
Donna






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Re: Voiceover frequently shutting off

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On 16/4/24 10:30, Phil Halton wrote:

By the way, this usually happens after a long period of inactivity on
the laptops. Like for example first thing in the morning after a nights
inactivity, or even after several hours during the day of not being
used.
I would suggest contacting Apple and creating a support case. Other 
people have not been reporting similar issues recently either here or on 
the AppleVis forum. It's likely specific to your situation.


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Re: Keychain Cannot be Found

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On 13/4/24 17:02, ancient.aliens via MacVisionaries wrote:

During setup I may have inadvertently changed a setting. What do I need to 
change to correct this? Many thanks.
I suppose you just use System Settings, find the setting in question, 
and fix it.


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Re: Secondary Apple ID

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On 11/4/24 18:36, ancient.aliens via MacVisionaries wrote:

Another issue, this one on Sonoma. I had not been using Apple mail
for some time. The account I am sending from is offline. I attempted to
log in and after entering the password, was prompted to do a
verification which failed with unknown error.
That's most likely an issue with your mail provider. can you log in via 
their Web site or in another way?

Apple mail on Catalina works fine. What options do I have to correct
this on Sonoma? Thanks.

Try deleting the mail account from MacOS and entering the details again.

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Re: notifications on my Mac

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On 10/4/24 22:39, Herbie Allen wrote:

Unless you have a good reason not too, the simplest way would just be to
  upgrade and be done with it. There isn’t much of a difference if you
are on the previous OS.
In addition, there are the security issues. I always run the latest OS 
on everything, unless there's a critically important bug, and I can't 
remember the last time that happened.


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Re: Passkeys and how to use them with voiceover

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On 1/4/24 05:06, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
At which point do you get the prompt to use touch ID?  One of my macs 
has got touch ID but another is quite old and hasn’t got one.  How 
would passkey work on such a machine?


You're prompted when you press the button on the Web site requiring 
authentication to use the passkey. If memory serves, you're also 
prompted during passkey creation.


If the Mac doesn't have Touch ID, you may be able to authenticate with 
your account password. However, if the machine is old, it may not be 
running a version of MacOS that supports passkeys anyway.


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Re: Passkeys and how to use them with voiceover

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On 31/3/24 15:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I’m trying to use passkeys as a more secure method to sign into various
services like Microsoft, Google, and passkeys enabled websites.  I’ve
tried this with Google accounts but I’m not being successful in using
them.  Has anyone on the list has used passkeys and if yes, how does it
work with voiceover?


I've used them on the Mac, and I didn't encounter any accessibility 
issues. The prompt to use Touch ID to authenticate with the passkey was 
fully accessible when I last used it.


This was in Safari under Sonoma.

Nor do I recall any issues with passkey creation.

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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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On 24/3/24 13:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I assume you bought it from those Envision people?  It didn’t seem to me
  like they were very organized, and I was worried they wouldn’t be able
to make a go of it.  Have they added Wifi to the Vario?


The only change I am aware of on the hardware side is that it now has a 
USB-C port.


Obviously, that's good for the Mac, which is USB-C only.

Incidentally, in case anyone here knows, what type of USB-C cable would 
I need to connect


 a braille display to the Mac directly, without a USB-A to USB-C adapter? Based 
on what I've read, some USB-C cables are for charging only, and others are for 
data transfer - I'm not sure how I would find out which was which in making a 
purchase.

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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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On 24/3/24 12:19, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I *loved my VarioUltra!  Of all the nonQWERTY braille displays 
I’ve used, it was my favorite.  I kept my Vario for years after Baum 
folded, but eventually it bit the dust.


I bought mine new last year.

If you still have yours and wish to find out what it would cost to 
repair, there are options available.


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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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On 24/3/24 11:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I’ve never seen the 20-cell version, but yes.  The forty-cell units have
  three buttons at either end of the braille cels.  They’re very handy.


BAUM displays (now manufactured by VisioBraille) also have three keys at 
either end of the display.


My VarioUltra also has two space keys at the very front, a selector 
button between them (it's a five-position button - four navigational 
directions plus selection in the centre), and four system keys, also in 
the front. The braille keyboard is behind the display.


It's Mac-compatible, although I haven't found third-party Mac software 
for accessing the Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) storage on the braille 
display. This storage holds documents in any of the supported file formats.


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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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On 24/3/24 09:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah.  So far it’s only in my thumbs, so if the display has panning
buttons on either end of the braille cells, I’m fine.  The Brailliant
does have that, but the Mantis does not.
In this situation, would the Active Tactile Control of HelpTech displays 
be an advantage? It would reduce key presses considerably.


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Re: Headphones for my SE 2020

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On 24/3/24 05:25, meikle.aiden via MacVisionaries wrote:


I’ve recently purchased an Iphone SE 2020 and I cannot locate the 
headphones jack.  Is there one or am I to buy Bluetooth headphones for 
this model.


There's a lightning to headphone adapter available. Otherwise, you'll 
need to use Bluetooth.


https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

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Re: GMail App on iPhone

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On 22/3/24 01:42, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

I don't like the conversations view in this App on my iPhone. But it
seems it doesn't work to disable it in the settings. Whether it is
enabled or disabled it always looks the same.
Note that you can configure Apple Mail to access Google's Gmail 
accounts. I note this here in case you aren't already aware.


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Re: Anyone have experience with the Orbit reader?

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On 23/3/24 09:07, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I am still on a quest to find a braille display with a qwerty keyboard,
and I just saw that Orbit is about to release a forty cell display with a
  qwerty keyboard.  I’d love to hear about people’s experience with the
Orbit reader.  I realize it won’t be the new display, but I do remember
that at least early on, people had a lot of negative things to say about
  the Orbit reader.  Is that still the case?  In the blurb I read, it
said it’s compatible with Voiceover.  Has anyone used an Orbit with
either a Mac or an iPhone?


As I recall, in an interview several years ago, Orbit Research 
acknowledged reliability difficulties with their braille cell 
technology, but claimed these problems had been rectified. To what 
extent that's true, I am not in any position to verify independently.


Orbit's cells are also noisier and slower to refresh than Piezoelectric 
cells. I prefer the latter, but there are people who prefer Orbit 
Research cells.


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Re: Another Item new to Sonoma 14.4

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'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
  I get the following dialog when I boot to Sonoma. Where in settings 
is this so I can turn off the dialog? Thanks.



Is it a dialogue, or a notification? If the latter, you can close it in 
Notification Center. If it truly is a dialogue, I think your best option 
would be to lodge a support case with Apple.


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Re: What's the deal with the Globe key?

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On 15/3/24 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

One question first.  What’s the deal with the Globe key? What is it used
  for?  What’s the deal for those of us with older Macs that don’t have
one?


On older portable devices, it's referred to as the FN key.

It has various commands assigned to it when it is used in combination 
with other keys.


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Re: Any way to empty the junk folder without sending the messages to the trash?

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On 14/3/24 09:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So when I empty the Junk folder, it just sends the messages to the
Trash.  Then I have to go to Trash, and delete them again.  Any way to
delete messages from junk without sending them to the trash?  I thought
that CMD-backspace did this, but it doesn’t.

Try Command-Shift-Delete.

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Re: Braillex el does not detect.

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On 12/3/24 11:27, Anders Holmberg wrote:

I have a braillex el 40 c here which won’t detect in VoiceOver.
It seems to have power as I can read the name and revision of the display.
I would suggest testing it with a different device and operating system. 
Have you checked that it's on Apple's list of supported displays?


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Re: Running wineskin on an m1 Mac.

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On 11/3/24 12:26, Anders Holmberg wrote:
It was last updated 2015 so it might work but I guess its better to 
buy an extra computer.


You could still run a virtual machine, I suppose, as discussed on this 
list in recent weeks.


Having a second physical machine would probably be easier, though.

As a matter of personal policy, I always try to have two working desktop 
or laptop systems, so that I can depend on one of them if the other 
fails. I've had negative experiences with hardware issues, which can 
take weeks to resolve in some cases. I've been following this strategy 
successfully since the early 90s.


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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

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On 7/3/24 10:16, Brad Snyder wrote:
This is true, unless you have enabled the new Stolen Device Protection 
feature.


I recently enabled stolen device protection. Face ID is working 
reliably, but I did turn off the requirement to look at the device when 
I first set up Face ID.


I've used Apple Pay with Face ID at an ATM instead of a credit/debit 
card. There weren't any problems as far as I can remember.


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Re: Question about word

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On 6/3/24 15:10, John Panarese wrote:
    I believe centering is command-e with the highlighted text. I’m 
not sure what the left justify is, but I think it’s command-l.
It's usually better to use styles instead, e.g., title, heading level 1, 
etc.


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Re: Question about word

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On 25/2/24 14:13, Brad Snyder wrote:
When using Word on a Mac, I suggest skipping the Ribbon, and looking 
for what you want in the pulldown menus of the Menu  Bar. This way, 
when you find the action you are looking for, if it has a keyboard 
command, you will find it listed there as well.
An additional advantage is that you can type the initial letters of the 
name of each desired menu option to move to it quickly, then press 
Return to select, and repeat the process for any submenus. This applies, 
of course, to the MacOS menus generally, but it's particularly useful in 
a large application.


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Re: Windows Insider and VMWare Fusion

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On 24/2/24 07:41, Kelly Ford wrote:

The processor itself between the two VMs ends up showing differently
inside of Windows. They are configured the same in the two VMs in terms
of what resources the VMs are using.

Has anyone else hit this and found a solution?


Are there any CPU options you could change, for example by allowing the 
VM to use all of the cores? I suspect this wouldn't work, but it would 
be worth trying any relevant configuration options. Otherwise, it's a 
VMWare bug report.


I'm so glad I've left the Windows world - at least for now.

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Re: Taking watch iPhone and Mac to Italy this summer

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On 20/2/24 22:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Yeah, and I will be on wifi pretty much of the time.  Mostly I was 
just wondering if I need different chargers.


No - the chargers are all switching power supplies that will take 
120-240V or whatever the official specifications say.


You'll need a different plug, but the charger should work.

As to the phone plan, buying a local SIM card in the country (physical 
SIM or eSIM) is usually the most cost-effective option.


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Re: Mac OS Calculator?

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On 19/2/24 15:03, Doug Lee wrote:

Curiously I don't find sagemath in Homebrew; wonder if it left? I checked on 
two Macs (one mine and one a


That's interesting - it appears for me, see below. I'll acknowledge that 
Linux is my primary computing environment these days though.


==> sage: 10.2,2.2.0
https://www.sagemath.org/
Not installed
From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/blob/HEAD/Casks/s/sage.rb
==> Name
Sage
==> Description
Mathematics software system
==> Artifacts
Recommended_10_2.pkg (Pkg)
SageMath-10-2.app (App)
==> Analytics
install: 149 (30 days), 466 (90 days), 1,767 (365 days)

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Re: Any accessible games for the mac

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On 19/2/24 15:49, Rebecca Sabo wrote:

I was wondering if their are any good accessible games to play on the Mac?


You should be able to play "interactive fiction" games on the Mac. 
They're the only kind of game in which I have sustained an interest, 
although admittedly I haven't played significantly for a long time.


This article appears to be a good starting point:
http://brasslantern.org/beginners/

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Re: Mac OS Calculator?

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On 19/2/24 10:25, Doug Lee wrote:

I've never tried calc, but I've used bc for a long time when I need a quick 
calculation.


Thank you for the recommendation.

At the other end of the sophistication scale is Sagemath, also available 
in Homebrew. It's more than the ultimate calculator.


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Re: Mac OS Calculator?

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On 19/2/24 01:23, Mohamed Fayed wrote:

I wonder whether anyone here tried to use the default scientific
calculator that comes with Mac OS. You can access it via
Applications/Calculator.app.


I haven't tried the default calculator, but I have found the calc tool 
to be useful. It runs in a terminal, and it can be installed easily with 
Homebrew.


It's an arbitrary-precision calculator with a wide variety of features.

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Re: Can not update clanmymac.

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On 18/2/24 13:14, Anders Holmberg wrote:

I can not update cleanly Mac x from with in the app.
When I do  Sonoma tells me that its damaged so it can not be installed.
I've never heard of it, so I can't offer specific advice. However, have 
you tried removing it and reinstalling?


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Re: attaching a Zoomax e-reader to a Mac as a braille display

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On 11/2/24 11:15, Jessica Barr wrote:

It wouldn't hurt to contact whoever is in charge of distributing the eReader 
and troubleshooting problems.


Also, be sure you are running the latest MacOS release, which at the 
moment is 14.3.1. Check Apple's hardware compatibility list of supported 
braille displays, and if your device is not included, contact Apple 
Accessibility.


My braille displays are fully supported, so I don't have these problems.

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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

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On 27/1/24 20:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I was happy to pay $10 9less one penny) for an accessible vm. Clearly,
I'm hoping this works out! I'll report when I've successfully started
running Arch in an UTM vm, or when I give up on trying.
This project, based on Qemu, received an endorsement in a podcast that I 
heard today:


https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

I have no information about its accessibility. It runs Linux in a 
virtual machine, supporting command line environments now, desktops 
still to come.


My preference is to run Linux directly on the hardware, but other people 
have different needs.


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Re: Closing multiple dialogue boxes

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On 29/1/24 16:19, Traci Duncan wrote:

somehow, I have over 40 bluetooth system dialogues! Is there a way I can close 
them all at once?
Couldn't you just reboot the machine, choosing not to keep the windows 
that were open?


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Re: A question for the list. Which of these two back up products is best or a VO user?

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On 23/1/24 11:35, Maurice A. Mines wrote:

If anyone has any other suggestion, other than Time machine, please speak up?


Borg backup. https://www.borgbackup.org/

Note: I haven't used it yet on the Mac, but I have used it (including 
recovery of a file) under Linux. It should run identically on the 
supported operating systems.


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Re: Braille SupportFixes

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On 22/1/24 17:09, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Its so interesting that braille on both linux and windows are far better to 
edit with and navigate with.
I agree, which is why I tend to use my Linux machine for any serious 
editing at the moment. I can work around the issues on the Mac, but why 
work around them if you can simply avoid them?


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Re: How does one Ctrl Click?

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On 15/1/24 16:27, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Most unexpectedly I found it as a menu option. Go figure.

VO-Command-Space may offer whatever function you're looking for as well.

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Re: How to read pdf or if there is a app

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On 7/1/24 06:46, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Preview does pretty well on PDF that embeds postscript fonts, imo. It
does not do so well on graphical images of text characters, and it does
not directly offer the option to OCR those files.
Try VO-Shift-L (image description) with the Voiceover cursor on the 
image of the page as shown in Preview.


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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

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On 5/1/24 18:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
I can’t imagine switching to an Android phone, but you’re absolutely 
right.  If one were to do that, the Activator would lose much of its 
luster.


If you "can't imagine" it, then you're the right kind of customer for 
the Activator.


I can more than imagine switching to Android. I've been careful to avoid 
"vendor lock-in" as much as I can. Facetime is the only application of 
note that I would lose, and there are alternatives. Apple Music has an 
Android version, so it wouldn't pose a problem.


Due to Apple's hardware quality, good accessibility, and the policy of 
supporting devices longer than most Android manufacturers do, I'm likely 
to buy an iPhone again next time. However, I want to make that choice on 
its merits when the need for a new device emerges. The apparently 
ongoing lack of support by Android for the HID braille display standard, 
especially via Bluetooth, is another substantial reason against choosing 
an Android option.


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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

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On 5/1/24 17:30, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I think the situation with the docks will sort itself out eventually,
though I would want to know the cost of the new dock before purchasing
the unit.


That's very wise. I would be reluctant to purchase a device designed to 
be considerably iPhone-dependent, as it would then constrain my choice 
of future phone purchases for a number of years, effectively ruling out 
Android. At this point, I expect my next mobile device to be another 
iPhone, but I would much prefer to leave the options open.


I want my braille display fully to support whatever else I have, now and 
later, as it's the most costly single item and I am not about to 
substitute another without loss or damage to the original.


Of course, there are good reasons why other people legitimately have 
different priorities. I'm merely explaining mine, not trying to 
influence anyone.


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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

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On 5/1/24 14:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
It’s a pretty nifty device.  It’s just young, and it’s therefore 
having some growing pains, some of which are the direct result of 
things that Apple and Microsoft have done.  It wouldn’t surprise me at 
all if I own one some day.
Thank you for the review, which actually makes me more comfortable with 
the choice I made in purchaisng a display last year. However, I have 
long been interested in the HelpTech products, including the automatic 
tactile control, which worked reliably in a demonstration after it had 
been set to the most sensitive level.


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Re: Accidentally deleted App Library app on my iPhone

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On 1/1/24 19:09, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yes, I really did do that! Now unsure of how to get it reinstalled. Any
suggestions much appreciated!


This idscussion may help.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252071005?sortBy=best

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Re: Microsoft Word for Mac

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On 3/1/24 09:17, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I use Word, Excel, and OneDrive on the MacBook Pro M1. I have not had
any issues with accessibility. I have Office 365 but have not played
with the other Office Apps even though they are on my Mac.


A few notes on Microsoft Word for Mac:

1. Loading large documents (for example 50 pages) is a very slow process 
even on a fast M1 Pro machine. I don't know whether it's Apple's or 
Microsoft's bug. The fact that Pages doesn't have this problem suggests 
it's an MS-Word issue.


2. Use Print Layout, otherwise the document being edited won't be very 
accessible with VoiceOver.


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Re: Can't read mail from a listserv, help please

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On 31/12/23 16:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

so I have to believe that this is something going on on my end.  Perhaps 
something to do with the handling of remote content?

Have you checked the messages for attachments?

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Re: Uber app kills Voice Over on my iPhone

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On 22/12/23 15:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Beginning during an outing this past Wednesday, but then again Thursday
I noticed that using Uber on my SE is crashing Voice Over.


When I last tried the Uber app, I encountered the known accessibility 
bug whereby a VoiceOver user can't check the checkbox to accept the 
terms and conditions. I was unable to find a work-around, so I moved to 
other transport options. This is, as noted, a known issue.


I haven't encountered the VoiceOver crashes though.

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Re: What's going on with Audio Hijack.

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On 15/12/23 12:42, Anders Holmberg wrote:

I try to upgrade to Audio hijack 4.3  And get this message.
You now need to adjust your system’s settings to allow ACE to run. In
the Mac's “Recovery” environment, you’ll modify the System Security
Policy to match the settings pictured below.


Apple's developers are restricting the availability of kernel extensions 
for security reasons. You're using an application that still depends on 
them, so you'll have to follow those instructions if you want to install it.


As far as I know, changing the security settings as instructed should be 
possible with VoiceOver. However, I personally wouldn't want to use an 
application that required fundamental security settings to be changed. 
If you want to go ahead, it's at your own risk, and at some stage, Apple 
may well decide to disallow kernel extensions altogether.


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Re: Lockscreen Persistence, after Updating my Iphone 13Pro, to IOS17

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On 13/12/23 13:30, roni mathew wrote:
Since the update, which makes  the interface faster and more snappy, 
my lockscreen will  re-appear just secods after I try to evoke 
 password unlock dialogue.


I think your best option is to create an Apple Accessibility support case.

I am not experiencing the problem, and I suspect only Apple is well 
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Re: Activator, and iPhone transition to USBC

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On 11/12/23 12:02, 'Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I’ve just had a thought though: if one does buy the new docking station
and keeps an older iPhone as well, presumably one could chop and change
between the two docks, making it a more flexible device.
Yes, I expect this to be possible. You might also have the option of 
deciding which dock to purchase when buying a display.


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Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

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On 8/12/23 12:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
but I kind of can’t believe they wouldn’t plan for the migration to 
USB-C. If they don’t, the activator will have one of the shortest 
shelf lives of any braille display I’ve ever seen.


The European Union rules that influenced Apple's move to USB-C 
connectors on iPhones have been in place for a while, so HelpTech has 
had plenty of time to prepare.


If I remember the podcast correctly, the accessory that attaches to the 
iPhone is a separate device which is magnetically connected to the 
Activator. Thus, all they would need to do is to build one that has a 
USB-C port.


If I were considering a purchase, though, I would want to know for sure, 
and with a time table if USB-C support isn't available already.


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Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

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On 7/12/23 18:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to use the Activator braille display 
from Helptech--formerly HandyTech?


No, but I've used one of their older displays briefly in a technology 
demonstration. The finger detection mechanism worked reliably for 
automatically panning the display. However, it needed to be adjusted to 
its most sensitive setting, presumably because I touched the cells quite 
lightly while reading.


Note also that Jonathan Mosen released a podcast last year in which he 
interviewed HelpTech representatives about the Activator. It might be 
worth searching for the recording or the transcript.


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Re: Do you have a favorite app/browser for Twitter/X??

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On 5/12/23 11:49, Jessica Moss wrote:

That’s what I’ve been hearing as well, which is sad, considering all the
  links they went to to make it usable in the first place.
I'm using ActivityPub, the open and federated standard supported by 
Mastodon, Pleroma, etc., for social media. I prefer it to the 
single-provider, corporate options. Mona for Mastodon is a very good 
MacOS and iOS application for interacting with it, too.


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Re: Do you have a favorite app/browser for Twitter/X??

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On 5/12/23 09:28, Herbie Allen wrote:

THERE IS AN APP FOR X IN THE MAC APP STORE.


I've also read claims from multiple sources that X (formerly Twitter) 
dismissed all of their accessibility specialists last year, so it's a 
matter of luck whether and to what extent it continues to be accessible 
to screen reader users.


I had an old, no longer used, account on X; I went ahead and deleted it.

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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

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On 4/12/23 08:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

You're correct, Jason. However, checking the box wasn't sufficient for
some reason.
In VoiceOver Utility -> Sound, is the output device set to system 
default? If not, that's your problem.


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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

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On 3/12/23 09:29, Brad Snyder wrote:

Loopback is a great option, however if you are already able to screen share, 
then just change your VO output to the system default ,and you should be good.
If I remember rightly, when you enable screen sharing, there's an option 
(typically a check box) to share system audio as well. If this is not 
enabled, only video is shared.


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Re: Reading Terminal Windows with VoiceOver

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On 30/11/23 21:22, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
There is also a dedicated SR for for the terminal. I heard about it 
but I have not  actually tried it out at all.

It doesn't seem to support braille output, so it isn't an option for me.

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Re: Reading Terminal Windows with VoiceOver

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On 30/11/23 07:28, Kelly Ford wrote:

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to read Terminal windows with VoiceOver on 
the Mac a line at a time?
While interacting with the terminal widget, VO-Up/Down-Arrow should read 
the text a line at a time.


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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

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On 25/11/23 10:29, Doug Lee wrote:

Ah, I've not been wanting Apple to change the magic tap behavior for everyone 
else; I've just been wanting the
ability to adjust what functions it can do on my own phone, much as we can do 
for the power button.

You can't adjust it, as far as I know.

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Side button behaviors in iOS 17

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[Reposting, as the following reply didn't make it to the list - I 
probably forgot the reply-to-all.]


I’m just describing how Apple works. As I understand it, their attitude 
has long been that they design the user interface as they want it to be, 
to provide the experience they think best, and your only options are to 
accept it or to choose something else.


It isn’t like Linux, where you have much more choice (e.g., different 
desktop environments with different user interfaces). They’re just two 
totally different approaches to software design.


Regards,

Jason.

*From: *Phil Halton 
*Date: *Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 14:21
*To: *Jason J.G. White 
*Subject: *Re: Side button behaviors in iOS 17

Thanks Jason that’s useful information I guess I had haptic feedback 
turned off for system responses. Like I say the information was useful, 
but I can do without the lecture, no thank you. Sent from my IPhone > On 
Nov 23, 2023, at 12:36 PM, Jason J.G. White wrote: > >  >> On 22/11/23 
23:27, Phil Halton wrote: >> OK, in iOS 17 it seems they’ve changed the 
behavior of the side button for use with Siri. It used to be that you 
would hold the button and wait for the sound and then speak to Siri. You 
would have to do this for each request of Siri. Now, it seems that you 
press the button and you don’t get the sound you just make your request 
and then Siri responds with the sound And the result. > > This isn't 
quite right: there is supposed to be haptic feedback when Siri is ready 
to receive your speech input - that is, haptics rather than sound. > > 
It works as described on my iPhone XS. So far as I know, there is no 
option to change it back to the old audible feedback. > > If you buy 
into Apple's products, you get their user interface choices. If you 
disagree with some of those decisions, that's bad luck. >


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Re: Side button behaviors in iOS 17

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On 22/11/23 23:27, Phil Halton wrote:

OK, in iOS 17 it seems they’ve changed the behavior of the side button for use 
with Siri. It used to be that you would hold the button and wait for the sound 
and then speak to Siri. You would have to do this for each request of Siri. 
Now, it seems that you press the button and you don’t get the sound you just 
make your request and then Siri responds with the sound And the result.


This isn't quite right: there is supposed to be haptic feedback when 
Siri is ready to receive your speech input - that is, haptics rather 
than sound.


It works as described on my iPhone XS. So far as I know, there is no 
option to change it back to the old audible feedback.


If you buy into Apple's products, you get their user interface choices. 
If you disagree with some of those decisions, that's bad luck.


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Re: Need a new Braille display

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On 22/11/23 17:58, Jessica Barr wrote:

The Brailliant is quite a bit more expensive, but I think it's a great product.


I've had good luck with the first two displays from Baum (now 
VisioBraille) that I have owned. The third display is too new to comment 
on with respect to durability, but it's an excellent product.


I also have a Focus display, unfortunately with cell problems similar to 
what others have described. I suspect it will need more than cleaning. 
There are issues with controls on the display as well. If I remember 
rightly, it dates from around 2017.


as I have two other working braille displays, one of which is a Baum 
device from 2004 that only needed cleaning and a battery replacement to 
bring it back to full working condition, I'm not in any hurry to spend 
the money to have the Focus display looked into. If cell replacement is 
needed, the costs can grow rapidly.


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Re: One Drive blocks access to menu extra in Sonoma

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On 19/11/23 08:20, Simon Cavendish wrote:

Could anyone replicate this before I report this to Apple?

It's a known bug. I don't know whether it's Apple's or Microsoft's.

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Re: Full Keyboard Access

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On 19/11/23 00:07, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
   In Sonoma I want too turn this off but its dimmed. How to undim it? 
Thanks.


As I recall, it's incompatible with VoiceOver, turned off by default, 
and can't be enabled when Voiceover is running.


Matters may have changed, but that's my recollection of the situation as 
of the most recent revision Apple made to the feature.



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Re: Parallels desktop for Mac frustrations.

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On 16/11/23 14:47, Maurice A. Mines wrote:

My question to the group is if the time to go back to VMware? Will VMware run 
better when it comes to dealing with USB cable communication?

I don't know, but VMWare at least has an accessibility statement:

https://www.vmware.com/help/accessibility.html


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Re: Unsure what Mac to get

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On 13/11/23 13:23, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries wrote:
You said 36GB Ram? I’m not questioning you. However, that is an 
unusual number for Ram. I’m accustomed to seeing 16, 32, 64, etc. Is 
that correct that 36 GB is the new normal? And what is the new 
recommended storage option these days.


Yes, 36GB it is.

https://appleinsider.com/inside/apple-silicon/vs/m3-vs-m3-pro-vs-m3-maxspecs-features-compared

The storage depends on your needs, and the options haven't changed much.

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Re: Unsure what Mac to get

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On 13/11/23 12:23, John Dowling wrote:
I need lots of ram because I work with a lot of tracks inside Logic 
Pro, and I need the high power.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Based on what I've heard, the M3 Max chip gives you substantially 
superior performance. It's currently available in the MacBook Pro only.


More generally, I would recommend reading this article:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/11/13/macbook-air-macbook-pro-buyers-guide-a-mac-portable-to-fit-your-budget

It should be easy to find performance-oriented articles on Apple-related 
sites as well, to provide more detailed comparisons.


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Re: How to send attachments

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On 4/11/23 19:17, Rebecca Sabo wrote:

I asked this question before but I can not fine the answer in my documents or 
my emails.  How do you send at attachments again?

In Apple Mail, it's Command-Shift-A.

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Re: Delete iPhone backup from Mac

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On 4/11/23 14:14, Paul Hopewell wrote:

My lesson from the above is that I should check with Google Search before 
Emailing this list!
Yes, it's usually faster. The mailing list is best for questions that 
don't have obvious answers which can be found in a search. That's why 
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Re: Disregard Re: Apple Announcement?

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On 31/10/23 07:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Just found it online.


In general, just visit a site such as https://www.appleinsider.com/ for 
all the details of any Apple announcements.


The new products should be good upgrades for those who have good reasons 
to purchase.


I have a 2021 14-inch MacBook Pro, hence no reason to upgrade.

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Re: My first ever Zoom call on a mac and I'm really worried

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On 30/10/23 09:18, Simon Cavendish wrote:

I’ve been sent an invitation to a Zoom meeting in a few days’ time.  I’ve got 
Zoom installed on my M1 chip macbook air but I’ve not done a Zoom meeting 
before.  They sent me a link, and then some ID numbers.  If I click the link, 
will it automatically connect me to the person who issued the invitation?  Do I 
need to do anything else of importance once in Zoom window?


Following the link should connect you to the meeting. There probably 
will be a prompt from the browser requesting permission to invoke the 
Zoom application, which you should allow.


I would recommend reviewing the keyboard commands documented on the Zoom 
Web site.


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Re: Can not find my custom email folders after fresh install

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On 27/10/23 10:00, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:

There are folders in my iCloud account not showing on my Mac.
I chose rebuild mailboxes, but it didn’t helpp.
Can someone point me in the right direction?


I'm not familiar with iCloud mail, but you may need to subscribe to 
specific folders for them to be downloaded.


I would suggest searching the Web for details. This article may help:
https://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/email/subscribe-imap-email/


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Re: Siri no longer plays a sound when activated with the side button on my iPhone

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On 25/10/23 09:40, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

It still doesn’t make sense that we’re not all experiencing the same thing.  
Some of us get the Siri sound, many of us don’t, you apparently get a haptic, I 
don’t, and so on.  I still say write to accessibility.  If that is the way Siri 
now works, it was a dumb change.  (No offense.) 


I get the haptic, and no sound at the beginning, but a sound after I've 
completed my spoken request.


I wonder whether this change was designed to improve the speech 
recognition, since a sound played by the device could suppress or 
interfere with recognition of the first word spoken by the user - 
especially if one doesn't wait long enough before starting to speak. 
Apple has the data. We don't.


The haptic is almost silent, so it makes sense as an attempt to reduce 
recognition errors at the start of the utterance.


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Re: Microsoft teams and VO, will it work together?

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Attending a meeting should be relatively easy, as you need only interact with 
the meeting controls rather than the larger Teams application.

> On Oct 23, 2023, at 12:49, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
> 
> Yes. I use it both on iPhone and on Mac OS.
> I find the web version more responsive than the desktop app, which is a 
> different way to the same interface.
> 
> It annoys me in navigation because of the complexity of the interface but it 
> can be managed.
> 
> The important task I find very annoying on teams compared to zoom is screen 
> sharing. Voiceover focus switches to the control bar a lot, so I struggle 
> interacting with the system.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2023, at 7:37 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  all  the  subject line  says  it. All.  A monthly meeting that  I  
>> attend ether  in  person  or remotely has given  notice that  they are  
>> dropping Zoom  and  switching to  Microsoft teams. Is. Anyone  using  teams 
>> with  VO?
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
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Using Touch ID with sudo in MacOS Sonoma

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There’s an interesting but not much publicized new feature in MacOS Sonoma: you 
can enable Touch ID to be used with the sudo command, and this configuration 
change persists across operating system updates.
To make the change, copy /etc/pam.d/sudo_local.template to  sudo_local in the 
same directory, then edit it and uncomment the last line.
When you use the sudo command, instead of a password prompt, you’ll be 
presented with a VoiceOver-accessible dialogue that prompts you to use Touch ID 
for authentication.

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RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 15 Series

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Bugs leading to heating issues were reputedly fixed in iOS 17.0.3.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 4:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on 
iPhone 15 Series

Mark,  Just wondering, but, Have you upgraded to 17.0.3?  This is supposed to 
help wityh the heating issue.  This was all over the mac roomers and apple 
sites reasontly. B 

Matthew



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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone Plus, Definitely Heating It Up: Mark is Taking a Pass on iPhone 
15 Series

Hello All,

Well, I have been working with a 15 Plus for over a week. I have truly been 
putting it through it proverbial paces and I can tell you that the device heats 
up far faster and far warmer than does my beloved 14 Pro Max.

It's really quite interesting as I understand that the 15 Plus is just a 14 
series inside that titanium case.  Is this true?

Regardless, with only a screen protector installed and using a cheap $10 case I 
purchased at the Apple store, using the device for any uninterrupted length of 
time when performing longer tasks such as performing system restores, lengthy 
GPS navigation, App updates (over 30 or so at a time) the phone really heats 
up.  I'm not saying it is heating to a dangerous level but I am saying that it 
is heating up so much and so fast that I have decided to not purchase a 15 Pro 
Max, this year.

Of course I am comparing the 15 Plus with my beloved 14 Pro Max with the same 
level of screen brightness.

Okay, just thought I would pass this along.

Keep in mind, this is just my experience:  Your milage may vary.

I hope you are all doing well.

Mark


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RE: Email Providers

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

The two large options are Google Workspace and Microsoft 365, of course, but 
they are only relevant if you want the office applications, the file storage, 
and other features.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of joseph hudson
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 12:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Email Providers

Oh, how nice I've never done that before. But I also don't have an icloud.com 
email address either.
Joseph Hudson

EmailFaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@twc.com<mailto:jhud7...@twc.com>
Connect with me on zoom

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09


On Oct 11, 2023, at 5:24 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  Upon some information I received, I may be able to create a domain in 
iCloud.com so will look into that since I do have an iCloud address and a 
couple aliases..

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

On 10/11/2023 10:40 AM, joseph hudson wrote:

The only problem with mail.com and I talked with them about it and got nowhere. 
If they don't have an audio capture which is something that you need it 
whenever you try to enable IMAP so that you can be able to send and receive 
from a Mail client in your computer. That going to say that the mail.com app 
and website or mostly accessible. But there are still some issues.

On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:20 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  What about Mail.com, is that accessible too? Thanks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

On 10/11/2023 5:22 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I would suggest purchasing a domain name, then associating it with an e-mail 
provider. You can change provider without ever changing your e-mail address.
There are plenty of online tutorials to assist in doing it.
I’ve never used Fastmail, but I’ve read positive comments about their services 
elsewhere.
*From: 
*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Robin Frost mailto:robin...@fastmail.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 20:15
*To: *MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject: *Re: Email Providers
Hi,
When I left GMail for the bulk of my email activities I went with a paid
plan from www.fastmail.com<http://www.fastmail.com> <http://www.fastmail.com>. 
I know some balk at the idea of a paid email
provider but the advantage is no ads, great support the few times I've
needed to use it. Like GMail I can set up my rules server side and they
sync across clients and devices and their web interface while not maybe
the most intuitive is by and large accessible.
It behaves well whether i"m on a Windows based or apple based device and
also gets along with groups.io which sometimes iCloud email tends not to do.
I hope that helps.
Take good care,
Robin
On 10/10/2023 5:41 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Other than Gmail, are there any reliable email services? I am considering 
changing Internet providers and if I change, I will need to update many 
accounts currently associated with my Internet provider. Thanks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Email Providers

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

You can also use a domain with iCloud that you have already registered 
elsewhere.

From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 18:24
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com , joseph 
hudson 
Subject: Re: Email Providers
Upon some information I received, I may be able to create a domain
in iCloud.com so will look into that since I do have an iCloud address
and a couple aliases..

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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  -Helen Keller
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On 10/11/2023 10:40 AM, joseph hudson wrote:
> The only problem with mail.com and I talked with them about it and got 
> nowhere. If they don't have an audio capture which is something that you need 
> it whenever you try to enable IMAP so that you can be able to send and 
> receive from a Mail client in your computer. That going to say that the 
> mail.com app and website or mostly accessible. But there are still some 
> issues.
>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:20 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>What about Mail.com, is that accessible too? Thanks.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 10/11/2023 5:22 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> I would suggest purchasing a domain name, then associating it with an 
>>> e-mail provider. You can change provider without ever changing your e-mail 
>>> address.
>>> There are plenty of online tutorials to assist in doing it.
>>> I’ve never used Fastmail, but I’ve read positive comments about their 
>>> services elsewhere.
>>> *From: *macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> on behalf of Robin Frost 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 20:15
>>> *To: *MacVisionaries 
>>> *Subject: *Re: Email Providers
>>> Hi,
>>> When I left GMail for the bulk of my email activities I went with a paid
>>> plan from www.fastmail.com<http://www.fastmail.com> 
>>> <http://www.fastmail.com>. I know some balk at the idea of a paid email
>>> provider but the advantage is no ads, great support the few times I've
>>> needed to use it. Like GMail I can set up my rules server side and they
>>> sync across clients and devices and their web interface while not maybe
>>> the most intuitive is by and large accessible.
>>> It behaves well whether i"m on a Windows based or apple based device and
>>> also gets along with groups.io which sometimes iCloud email tends not to do.
>>> I hope that helps.
>>> Take good care,
>>> Robin
>>> On 10/10/2023 5:41 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Other than Gmail, are there any reliable email services? I am considering 
>>>> changing Internet providers and if I change, I will need to update many 
>>>> accounts currently associated with my Internet provider. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>   -Helen Keller
>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>
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Re: Email Providers

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

I would suggest purchasing a domain name, then associating it with an e-mail 
provider. You can change provider without ever changing your e-mail address.
There are plenty of online tutorials to assist in doing it.
I’ve never used Fastmail, but I’ve read positive comments about their services 
elsewhere.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Robin Frost 
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 20:15
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Email Providers
Hi,

When I left GMail for the bulk of my email activities I went with a paid
plan from www.fastmail.com. I know some balk at the 
idea of a paid email
provider but the advantage is no ads, great support the few times I've
needed to use it. Like GMail I can set up my rules server side and they
sync across clients and devices and their web interface while not maybe
the most intuitive is by and large accessible.

It behaves well whether i"m on a Windows based or apple based device and
also gets along with groups.io which sometimes iCloud email tends not to do.

I hope that helps.

Take good care,

Robin


On 10/10/2023 5:41 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Other than Gmail, are there any reliable email services? I am
> considering changing Internet providers and if I change, I will need
> to update many accounts currently associated with my Internet
> provider. Thanks.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>

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Re: What's going on with Mac and accessibility.

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On 10/10/23 13:03, Anders Holmberg wrote:

I don’t know if I  am having a bad day or if its the latest Sonoma with Firefox 
or safari and VoiceOver that has changed but I seem to have a lot of issues on 
sites I normally could use with no issue.
Some sites works like a charm but some does not work at all.


Have you updated anything lately? Changed any potentially relevant 
settings? Might you be having network issues?


There haven't been any significant reported regressions in recent MacOS 
releases, so most people aren't experiencing your problems.


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Re: HTML question.

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

I would suggest using the W3C’s HTML validator. It should be available in an 
extension for your preferred editor.
It’s also available in HomeBrew via the vnu package. You can then run it from a 
MacOS terminal.

From: mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 15:27
To: Email Groups 
Subject: Re: HTML question.
Hi,
I noticed a few errors.
First, the following two lines should be at the end of the document.


This represents the end of the code.

Second, your link should look like this.
http://www.google.com”> Google Web Page 


I used Google as an example. The  means line break.

Good luck!
Rob





On Oct 3, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Jessica Moss 
mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’m still in the process of learning HTML, which I’ve been attempting through 
W3Schools, and have a document started that I’m slowly trying to build out in 
text edit.
  I’ve tested what I’ve attempted to write in VS code, which continuously says 
“no problems,” and Codepen.io which tells me there are 
missing tags, and the Href section needs double quotes, even after I’ve entered 
them.
  I’m still in the beginning stages of this, so to me, what I’m about to share 
with you looks write, but would appreciate anyone’s feedback, and why I’m 
getting 2 different types of results.






My First Heading

My first paragraph.



Jessica Website
• List Element 1
• List Element 2

Jessica Website
•
Test
< h1 > the Tom Robinson Case  did Tom Robinson actually rape Mayella 
Ewell, or was this simply a case of racial injustice? 
http://tomsdefense.com

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Re: Mac OS Sonoma: Calendar View Changed

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Two suggestions:

  1.  Lodge a support case with Apple.
  2.  Try installing the latest MacOS public beta, and if you can reproduce the 
problems, report them there.
Realistically, that’s all you can do. The software is not open-source. Only 
Apple’s engineers can change it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jürgen Fleger 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:56
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Mac OS Sonoma: Calendar View Changed
Hi,
this seems to be a new bug introduced in Sonoma. Let’s hope Apple won’t let us 
wait for a whole aeyr to solve it.

I additionally experience VO jumps randomly out of a day with which I was 
interacted.

Has anyone an idea for a good and accessible calendar app to replace the nativ 
calendar app?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen



Am 03.10.2023 um 16:53 schrieb Dave Carlson :

It seems to me that I can no longer navigate week-by-week in the month view of 
the native calendar app.

I like to use VO table navigation keystrokes to move up/down through the 
calendar, just like it is a grid or table. That allowed me to jump to the next 
or previous day in another  week.

Now I cannot get that grid to come back. All my navigation is strictly 
vertical,, and if I want to jump to the next week, I need to arrow down through 
all the days of the current week.
This behavior seems to be permanent in Sonoma OS, when in Ventura it was 
sporadic.
Any tips for me?

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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Re: Focus Issues since Sonoma Upgrade

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Do all of the settings under VoiceOver -> Navigation seem correct?
I’m not having any focus issues, so, without a clue as to what it might be, I 
can’t help any further. You may need to reset everything to defaults and 
reinstall applications. I would suggest taking this up with Apple support 
before making any drastic changes, though. They should be better at diagnosing 
the problem than anyone on this list.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Suzanne Erb 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:01
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Focus Issues since Sonoma Upgrade
Hello,
Ever since upgrading to Sonoma, I have been experiencing focus issues. I’ve 
gone over my settings, and I don’t think I’ve made any drastic changes that 
could account for this.
I can’t even write an e-mail without having to check it thoroughly.  I do have 
my trackpad turned off.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Best,
Suzanne Erb

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Re: Gmail on my Mac

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Is your Google account shown under System Settings -> Internet Accounts as 
enabled for mail?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of agent086b 
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 19:01
To: Mac List 
Subject: Re: Gmail on my Mac
Hi,
thanks for the reply. I am trying to get an gmail account to connect with my 
mail on Mac but I can not get this to work.
Max.

> On 28 Sep 2023, at 08:17, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> If you press control+option+J,
> From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
> Move to the top to All Inboxes.
> Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list.
> I hope this is what you were looking for.
> Rob
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
>> I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. Gone 
>> through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
>> I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
>> I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
>> I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
>> receiving them.
>> Anybody have steps to set up this properly?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max.
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RE: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry - I forgot to add: if there's a menu entry for the control that you want, 
then you should be able to create a keyboard shortcut for it in the MacOS 
keyboard settings. I haven't used this feature, but apparently you need to 
enter the text of the menu entry exactly, including capitalization, to define 
the shortcut.
Obviously, this only works if the app's developers have created menu entries 
for the functionality that you want to use. I'm referring to the MacOS menus 
accessed with VO-M. 

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From: 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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I'm not aware of any option to define new keyboard shortcuts - perhaps 
AppleScript would help, but I haven't investigated it.
You may find that the Item Chooser menu helps in navigating to desired controls 
quickly, as you can partially type the name of what you're looking for to move 
to it directly.
I hope this helps. I know it isn't the perfect solution.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mohamed Fayed
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I wonder whether there is any method to add keyboard shortcuts to iPad apps 
installed on Apple Silicon MacBook.

If there is not, what tips od you have to improve my performance while using 
these apps?

Example application is ClaroPDF app that reads PDF content.

Thank you so much

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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RE: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

I'm not aware of any option to define new keyboard shortcuts - perhaps 
AppleScript would help, but I haven't investigated it.
You may find that the Item Chooser menu helps in navigating to desired controls 
quickly, as you can partially type the name of what you're looking for to move 
to it directly.
I hope this helps. I know it isn't the perfect solution.

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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I wonder whether there is any method to add keyboard shortcuts to iPad apps 
installed on Apple Silicon MacBook.

If there is not, what tips od you have to improve my performance while using 
these apps?

Example application is ClaroPDF app that reads PDF content.

Thank you so much

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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RE: Using the new macOS Sonoma

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Presumably, if caps lock is configured as the VO modifier, holding it should 
never change the state of the caps lock function, and should never warn about 
it.

From: 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 11:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using the new macOS Sonoma

Agreed, this  is very annoying.  I've switched back to using control option for 
my VO modifier.  Not sure if there’s any way to turn this off,  or if it’s a 
feature, rather than a bug.
Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: 
va3ets@mstdn.social<mailto:va3ets@mstdn.social>


On Sep 27, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Kelly Ford 
mailto:kellford1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For me this happens if I have caps lock down and move into an edit box. I 
reported it to Apple during the beta and find it vexing.

My current solution is to turn on arrow key quick nav more frequently and use 
that instead of caps+left or right.




On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:54 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I do.
it only seems to do it, when I’m holding it down.


On Sep 27, 2023, at 6:16 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Do you have caps lock configured as a VoiceOver modifier? Mine is, and I can’t 
reproduce your issue (MacOS Sonoma).
I suppose you could try a double press of caps lock to turn it off, if it is on.

From: 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 15:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Using the new macOS Sonoma
Hi folks. I”m really liking .
One weird thing, whenever I hold down the cap lock  key on my keyboard it keeps 
telling me to turn off the cap lock key. Does anybody have any idea how I can 
make it stop doing that?

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RE: Would I get Sonoma?

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Not according to this Apple page:
https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/
You could have run a Web search and found this information in about 30 seconds, 
instead of asking others to do the work for you.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mohammad Fazil
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 12:14 PM
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Subject: Would I get Sonoma?

Hi, Group.
I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?
Thanks!
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Re: Using the new macOS Sonoma

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Do you have caps lock configured as a VoiceOver modifier? Mine is, and I can’t 
reproduce your issue (MacOS Sonoma).
I suppose you could try a double press of caps lock to turn it off, if it is on.

From: 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 15:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Using the new macOS Sonoma
Hi folks. I”m really liking .
One weird thing, whenever I hold down the cap lock  key on my keyboard it keeps 
telling me to turn off the cap lock key. Does anybody have any idea how I can 
make it stop doing that?

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Re: App Store issues on Mac with latest update.

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Perhaps it’s one of those introductory dialogues describing new features of the 
app that you need to acknowledge before continuing.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jessica Moss 
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:30
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: App Store issues on Mac with latest update.
I’ve done both, and that’s gotten me next to nowhere.  Interacting with the 
first section starts displaying something about “stay up to date with 
notifications, get notified about billing and product updates, etc.
  Then there’s one before that with an unlabeled image, and nothing more that I 
can scroll passed.
  Therefore, I’m unable to locate the search box, and the usual fields I used 
to be able to find that showed me what needed updating and the like aren’t 
showing up anymore.


On Sep 27, 2023, at 11:16 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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I just tried it, and it worked fine here. You have to interact with the 
sections to reach the individual app entries.
The search field is immediately before the side bar.
You should be using VoiceOver navigation commands to read, not tabbing.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
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Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:11
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: App Store issues on Mac with latest update.
Has anyone else noticed that since updating to Mac OS Sonoma , that Voiceover 
seems to read nothing in regard to the App Store anymore?  Also, no amount of 
scrolling/tabbing seems to produce the search box on my end.

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Re: App Store issues on Mac with latest update.

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

I just tried it, and it worked fine here. You have to interact with the 
sections to reach the individual app entries.
The search field is immediately before the side bar.
You should be using VoiceOver navigation commands to read, not tabbing.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jessica Moss 
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:11
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: App Store issues on Mac with latest update.
Has anyone else noticed that since updating to Mac OS Sonoma , that Voiceover 
seems to read nothing in regard to the App Store anymore?  Also, no amount of 
scrolling/tabbing seems to produce the search box on my end.

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Re: macos 14 Sonoma

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve been running the beta version, which is now the release candidate. I’ll 
gladly discuss it after the release.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of John Dowling <1008...@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, September 25, 2023 at 18:40
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: macos 14 Sonoma
Google says it comes out tomorrow.
I'm very interested to see how it works.
John Dowling
RAMPD Pro member

https://rampd.org/profile/john-dowling-jr


On Sep 25, 2023, at 18:07, Jessica Moss  wrote:
Is that out now?  I didn’t think it was supposed to come out until tomorrow.


On Sep 25, 2023, at 5:45 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

 Any reviews from those who have upgraded?

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Re: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.

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VoiceOver Utility -> Braille -> Displays tab -> Add button to add a Bluetooth 
braille display.

From: etscrivani via MacVisionaries 
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:19
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Pairing/Connecting Braille Display to Mac Book Air.
Hi All,

I have a display that is already connected to my older MacBook Pro. Now, I want 
to connect it to a Mac Book Air running most recent version of OS. I cannot 
remember where I need to go to get this pairing done. I looked under VO 
utilities and was unable to locate Braille settings/displays. I also tried 
system preferences under Bluetooth but I was not seeing anything that sounded 
like the right setting choices.

Also, does it matter that the Brailliant Bi X 40 is currently set to use with 
my Mac Book Pro? That is, it is not running at the same time I’m trying to pair 
it with the Air, but it is setup and works correctly with the Pro when I want 
to use it there. I hope that makes sense.

Any pointers to get me in the correct place are appreciated.

Eileen
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RE: Anyone upgraded to IOS 17?

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I upgraded, and it's all working well so far on an iPhone XS.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 10:24 AM
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Subject: Anyone upgraded to IOS 17?

Hi all,

I read the AppleVis review, and it sounded like IOS 17 may still have some 
significant accessibility concerns, so I haven’t yet downloaded it.  Has anyone 
here upgraded?  If yes, how is it going?
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: VS Code

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Keyboard commands are documented here.
https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/getstarted/keybindings
Accessibility page:
https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/accessibility#:~:text=You%20can%20control%20whether%20VS,reader%20through%20querying%20the%20platform.
A don’t think a screen reader-specific tutorial exists. I’ve long since reached 
the point at which I don’t need tutorials, so I haven’t searched thoroughly.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jeff Berwick 
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 21:05
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: VS Code
Hi all,

Does anybody out here have a tutorial on using VS Code with Voiceover?

I’ve been Googling, but haven’t been able to find one.

I’m looking to move to VS Code from Textedit, but finding myself stuck in all 
kinds of ways.

Thx,
Jeff

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