For Blind Internet Users, the Fix Can Be Worse Than the Flaws

[dan d.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/technology/ai-web-accessibility.html

Companies say their A.I.-powered tools are the best way to fix accessibility 
problems online, but many blind people find they make websites
harder to use.

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Re: M1 Mac mini just beeps

[dan d.]

Your best bet is to use the apple disability support number given you.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2022, Violet Gill wrote:

>  My mac does not have a Touch Bar its a M1 Mac mini. I may need to acquire 
> another monitor maybe that  will fix it so voiceover can finally come back on 
> and those beeps can stop.
>
>
>  Violet.
> She/her.
>
> > On Jul 15, 2022, at 00:24, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> >
> > ???How about tapping the Touch Bar twice with three fingers? That toggles 
> > speech on/off.
> >
> > Dave Carlson
> > Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, and Engineer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:18 PM, Violet Gill  wrote:
> >
> > Yes that didn???t work.
> >
> >  Violet.
> > She/her.
> >
> >>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 00:03, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> >>>
> >> ???Did. You try to triple press the power button without holding the 
> >> control key?
> >>
> >> Dave Carlson
> >> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Violet Gill  wrote:
> >>
> >> I???m using the apple magic keyboard with Touch ID.
> >>
> >>  Violet.
> >> She/her.
> >>
>  On Jul 15, 2022, at 00:00, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> >>> ???Don???t think you hold the control key while pressing the power button 
> >>> three time. Try without the control key. Also, are you using the built-in 
> >>> keyboard, or a Bluetooth or USB  connected keyboard? If so, you may need 
> >>> to press a different key to emulate control.
> >>>
> >>> Dave Carlson
> >>> Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, Musician, and Oregonian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Violet Gill  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have tried holding the command key and pressing the Touch ID button 3 
> >>> times but with no result. This is very frustrating as I was hoping to use 
> >>> my new Mac mini today.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Violet.
> >>> She/her.
> >>>
>  On Jul 14, 2022, at 23:37, Janet Ingber  wrote:
> 
>  ???Have you tried holding down the Command key and pressing the Touch ID 
>  sensorthree times?  Here is the number for Apple???s help  for 
>  people who have disabilities. This is a free service. 877 204-3930.
> 
>  Hope this helps.
> 
>  Janet
> 
> > On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Violet Gill  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Yes I hope this can get resolved soon I can use sited assistance but 
> > I???m stubborn lol hopefuly someone in this group has some answers 
> > maybe its a quick thing that can be solved independently.
> >
> >
> > Violet.
> > She/her.
> >
> >>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 22:18, Paul Mimms  wrote:
> >>
> >> ???it will probably be most effective to use something like AIRA or be 
> >> my eyes, if not a sighted person, to tell you what???s going on by 
> >> viewing the screen. Wish I could come up with an answer but I hope you 
> >> can find one yourself soon.
> >>
> >> paul8...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do 
> >> about it, and what you make of it.
> >> Sent from my iPhone 13 Pro
> >>
> >>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Violet Gill  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ???Hello, when I turn my mac on I do not get any message to activate 
> >>> voiceover and I have tried pressing command f5 but all i get is a 
> >>> beep same goes for pressing any other key on the keyboard.  Yes this 
> >>> is my first mac.
> >>>
> >>> Violet.
> >>> She/her.
> >>>
>  On Jul 14, 2022, at 20:05, Janet Ingber  
>  wrote:
> 
>  ???Hi Violet,
> 
>  Is this your first Mac? When you turn your Mac on, Do you get a 
>  message to activate VoiceOver.? If not, type Command-F5. Let me know 
>  what happens.
> 
>  Best,
>  Janet
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jul 14, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Violet Gill  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello. I???m relatively new here. I just acquired a new M1 Mac 
> > mini. I???m trying to set it up with voiceover enabled but when I 
> > turn it on and press buttons on the keyboard all I get is beep beep 
> > no matter what key I press.
> > I hope this can be solved. Thank you so much.
> >
> >
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Re: basic finder question

[dan d.]

Yes, the standard vo + key commands work fine.  For example, vo + a from 
current position to end of screen.  Interact with text when in
terminal works best.  There are screen readers meant for terminal such as 
speakup; and a google will find them.  Here are two I know nothing
about but work in terminal:

https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr

https://www.applevis.com/blog/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-gnulinux
On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> And voiceover works flawlessly in terminal?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>
> > The other option is to run Terminal and use the mv command at the shell
> > prompt.
> >
> > On 22/6/22 14:28, Andrew Leland wrote:
> >>  Dear J??rgen,
> >>  Thank you so much for this quick and extremely helpful reply!
> >>  All best,
> >>  Andrew
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Re: Voices in new OS.

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As I recall you have used the double/triple synth voices, as did I for many 
years.  I hate the default alex foice on the mac.  The tom voice
comes closest to the double/triple voices.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Jonathan
> ,
> auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
> anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
> given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
> At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
> installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
> make slight adjustments.
> Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
> although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
> said?
> Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
> my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
> taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
> Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> > Karen and all,
> > Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
> > demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating 
> > systems?
> > They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> >>
> >> Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> >> By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger 
> >> the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
> >> It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of 
> >> being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products 
> >> at all.
> >> My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
> >> because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> >>
> >>> Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older 
> >>> machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>  wrote:
> 
>  ???hi Tim,
>  Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple 
>  support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable 
>  for me as I learn this machine.
>  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
>  practice I will likely be fine.
>  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
>  Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 
>  hours?
>  If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should 
>  be created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an 
>  alternative way to provide password  at log in, or something of that 
>  sort.
>  best,
>  Karen
> 
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be 
> > able to see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a 
> > ???Show Password??? option, but this is not the case for the Login 
> > screen.  You do bring up some good points, although I???m not sure I 
> > know a workaround for them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, 
> > and newer versions of the MacOS there are things like the fingerprint 
> > sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full entry of the 
> > password is required after restart or logout for security reasons.  I 
> > will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way 
> > that I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone 
> > with dexterity challenges.
> >
> > Later???
> >
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> >>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tim,
> >> Thanks as always.
> >> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> >> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or 
> >> used to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
> >> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does 
> >> not let you speak your password either, which speaking personally 
> >> seems like rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
> >> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
> >> nature of the door if that resonates.
> >> If I could say set the requirement for once 

Re: I am baffled with the accessibility team.

[dan d.]

I called 2 days ago and was asked what my disability is.  We then went right 
into my issue.  Perhaps callers can make a point to mention this at the start.

On Fri, 27 May 2022, Bill Gallik wrote:

> I must say, this certainly is a serious problem.  I haven???t called in for 
> about 18 months so wasn???t aware of this poorly thought out policy.
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "In our daily lives, we must see that it is not happiness that makes us 
> grateful,"
> - "but the gratefulness that makes us happy."
> - Albert Clarke
>
>
> > On May 25, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> >
> > I keep being referred to the regular support because they only work on 
> > problems with the accessibility features. They tell me they aren???t able 
> > to help when I call them about , say trying to synch my new AirPods. The 
> > person I then speak with keeps giving me visual instruction like tap the 
> > blue button. They have no idea on instructing using v/o features. In the 
> > past this was not the case. I???m wondering why it changed?
> >
> >> On May 22, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> >>
> >> I???m chiming in on this thread to offer some pointers.  I can honestly 
> >> state that I???ve had very effective experiences with the assistance from 
> >> the access-ability team.  These pointers follow:
> >>
> >> First and foremost, make certain the technical support person you are 
> >> working with is fully aware of the circumstance of your disability.  If 
> >> you are totally blind with absolutely no useful vision, make sure that 
> >> support person completely understands this.  Likewise, if you do have a 
> >> degree of useful vision, make this clear as well.  I called in for a 
> >> problem and when I made it clear that I have no useful vision at all I was 
> >> immediately transferred to a different, quite knowledgeable and helpful 
> >> technician (after being advised of the pending transfer of course).
> >>
> >> Another pointer is to be prepared to offer detailed information concerning 
> >> the issue you are calling about.  Have details regarding your platform 
> >> (Mac, iPhone, iPad, etc.) and the current operating system installed on 
> >> said platform.
> >>
> >> Likewise, be sure to have detailed information for the component you are 
> >> calling about.  Be able to offer a complete, but concise description of 
> >> the problem.  Just for example, if you are having problems getting e-mail 
> >> messages to your sister, the tech has no use for such information unless 
> >> the problem occurs when trying to send e-mail to your sister only.  This 
> >> does not mean you shouldn???t be friendly and personable, just don???t 
> >> include excessive minutia in your conversation.  Odds are, whomever you 
> >> wind up talking to is quite busy and wants to get your problem 
> >> satisfactorily resolved as quickly as possible.  I know this because I 
> >> worked in such a position for a number of years at Bell Labs.
> >>
> >> And, as suggested by others in this thread, inform your tech support 
> >> person if you are aware of others having similar issues.  As horrible as 
> >> this might seem, it is possible that a given problem may not be a 
> >> particularly high priority.  Sad as this is to say, if it happens that you 
> >> are the only one experiencing this problem resolving it may get placed on 
> >> ???the back burner.???  This is simply common sense; if there???s a 
> >> problem popping up for 20% of users and the problem you are reporting is 
> >> specific to you only would you really want resources spent to fix this 
> >> ???one user only??? problem.  I certainly would not.
> >>
> >> Finally, it is possible that the tech you are working with is not up to 
> >> the challenge of resolving your problem.  Do not hesitate to make 
> >> follow-up contact with the hope that a different, more engaged tech will 
> >> be able to resolve it.
> >> * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Re: Pontes Media downloader

[dan d.]

Update the downloading engine - youtube-dl that does the actual download.  Some 
weeks ago youtube/google was throttling downloads, no profit
for them by you avoiding ads.  I have read the most recent upgrades does a run 
around youtube/google on the throttling.




On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, Lorie McCloud wrote:

> Pontes Media Downloader on my Mac running Monterey is just sitting there. it 
> has the url of the video I want to convert and that shows up in the table 
> after I hit convert but it shows that nothing's happening when I go through 
> it. at the end I read: "checking for updates" but that hasn't changed in 
> several hours suggestions please.
>
> thanks.
> Lorie
>
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Re: CopyClip clipboard manager for Safari - Has anyone got this to work?

[dan d.]

After launching the app. and when desired;hit the menu bar command twice.  This 
brings up the menu extras menu bar.  The clip app should be a choice.  On the 
menu that appears.  Auto launching at bootup should be a choice under the  
menu. preferences item.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi there, thanks forr the reply. If I opem Copyclip from the application 
> folder I get the message ???copyclip has no windows???. If I copy some text 
> from Safari to my clipboard I thought there should atbe a copyclip option in 
> the menu bar. This is not there and if I go back to copyclip via Aplication 
> folder I get the original message of no window. Maybe I am approaching it 
> incorrectly? Ron.
>
>
> > On 25 Feb 2022, at 15:41, dan d.  wrote:
> >
> >
> > That was the prior version to flycut, free on the app store.  I used it 
> > before flycut, what have you found not to work?  Both install the same
> > and work the same.  Flycut has more features.
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2022, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there, has anyone used CopyClip.? It is a no frills clipboard manager 
> >> that was recommended, but I have been unable to get it to work. I am using 
> >> upto date  Monterrey. Thhanks in advance for any help.
> >>
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Re: CopyClip clipboard manager for Safari - Has anyone got this to work?

[dan d.]

That was the prior version to flycut, free on the app store.  I used it before 
flycut, what have you found not to work?  Both install the same
and work the same.  Flycut has more features.

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> Hi there, has anyone used CopyClip.? It is a no frills clipboard manager that 
> was recommended, but I have been unable to get it to work. I am using upto 
> date  Monterrey. Thhanks in advance for any help.
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Re: dot_clean utility

[dan d.]

No utility is required because a terminal command easily does it; which the 
utility likely duplicates.  While in terminal and in the flash
drive do this command which removes all .folders or single .files, make sure 
none of them are neededd as are some in a users home directory.

make note of the specific syntax characther by character which might not be 
spoken and which limits the action to only dot files in the
current flash drive home directory:

RM -rf ./.*

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, christopher moore wrote:

> Hello,
> Has anyone had experience running the dot_clean utility in terminal to remove 
> dot files from USB drives?
>
> Chris
>
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Re: The LA Pronunciation woes

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Yes, the regular tom.  I just checked to make sure, LAST with all caps speaks 
the word as a whole.  I created a text file containing it and
then opened textedit and it spoke it fully.
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022, Dave Carlson wrote:

> Dan, in my case I am using Tom Compact and that is what it???s doing. Are you 
> using regular Tom?
>
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>
> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:25 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>
>
>
> These kind of things tend to be voice specific.  I use tom and it doesn't do 
> as described.  It has its own foibles however.  The speech rules
> appear to be somewhat different for various voices.
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Dave Carlson wrote:
>
> > On my Mac, I???d like to find a simple solution for this.
> >
> > When I come across a word in all caps starting with the letters L and A VO 
> > will always say El A  first and then the rest of the word.
> >
> > For example LAST is pronounced LA Street. LATHE is pronounced LA the.
> > I know LA is Los Angeles so happy that it???s not saying that, but how can 
> > I un-train VO to stop saying El A for any all caps words starting with LA?
> >
> > LATER (yes LA Ter).
> >
> > Dave Carlson
> > Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
> >
> >
>
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Re: The LA Pronunciation woes

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These kind of things tend to be voice specific.  I use tom and it doesn't do as 
described.  It has its own foibles however.  The speech rules
appear to be somewhat different for various voices.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, Dave Carlson wrote:

> On my Mac, I???d like to find a simple solution for this.
>
> When I come across a word in all caps starting with the letters L and A VO 
> will always say El A  first and then the rest of the word.
>
> For example LAST is pronounced LA Street. LATHE is pronounced LA the.
> I know LA is Los Angeles so happy that it???s not saying that, but how can I 
> un-train VO to stop saying El A for any all caps words starting with LA?
>
> LATER (yes LA Ter).
>
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>
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Re: m1 Mac mini and screen using VoiceOver

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It was fixed starting with the late 2014 models.  It was a hardware thing not 
os version related.

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022, Shai wrote:

> Hello all,
> I am considering the purchase of an m1 Mac Mini. I recall that in
> previous versions of the operating system that VoiceOver would become
> sluggish if a screen was not connected to the computer. Is that still
> the case today or has this been remedied in Montery?
> Thank you in advance for any responses.
> e
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Re: Recording radio programs on an iPhone

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Have you tried recording from an url using your apps to see if it makes a 
difference?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I recently heard a program on local radio that fascinated me. I would like to 
> record it before it disappears. The local radio stations let you listen to 
> the program for up to a week before it is removed from their list of 
> offerings.
>
> I am looking for an app that will enable me to record such offerings and 
> listen to them whenever I would like.  While I own two apps that let me 
> record live radio streams, I don???t have anything that allows me to record 
> audio output that comes directly from a URL.  Your thoughts would be greatly 
> appreciated.
>
> With warm regards from Austria,
>
> Mike
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Re: VO-X Command?

[dan d.]

To know what any key commands do, vo+k goes into keyboard help.  When hitting a 
key or combination it will announce what it does.  Press
escape to leave help.

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Fazil M. wrote:

> Hi, Group.
>
> What does the command VO-X do (pressing once or twice)?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Need advice on best method for migrating from ancient Mac mini 2010 to brand new MBP 2021.

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There is a direct connect mode between mac machines.  Using a thunderbolt port 
on each a cable lets one have the host machine access the hard
drive of the other as though it is just another drive on the host machine.  I 
suggesst you go to an apple store or phone apple disability
support on this.

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

>
> while I'm at it, at what point should I deauthorize my old Mac?  Before or
> after the transfer? Should I use wifi or cable?
> On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 10:12:53 PM UTC-6 Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > My new MBP should be arriving on Tuesday. I???ll be replacing my 2010 Mac
> > mini with this killer box. What???s the best way to migrate all the data 
> > from
> > one machine to the other. I have TM on the Mac mini and I have a pretty
> > decent wifi situation here. The Mac mini runs High Sierra. The new box runs
> > Monterey, I presume. I???m imagining that I should be able to get everything
> > down to the new MBP by signing into iCloud with my credentials and having
> > everything populate that way except for the documents folder and certain
> > other apps like Sibelius, Komplete Kontrol and other Music specific apps
> > which would have to be installed separately from the wireless iCloud
> > migration. Similarly, I imagine the contents of my Documents folder would
> > have to be moved by way of an intermediate portable drive. Am I on the
> > right track or completely messing up?
> >
> > Thanks for any guidance. It???s been ten years since I faced this sort of
> > thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
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Re: Help with learning the mac

[dan d.]

Here is the mac for beginners mailing list which would seem justwhat you need 
for basic info.

As I recall this is the subscribe mail address:

mac-vo-beginners+subscr...@groups.io

On Thu, 2 Dec 2021, Many of us wrote:

> Does anyone have any reference material in text format, on how to learn to 
> use a mac?
> anyone got any books, keystroke lists, etc?
> shirley
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Re: Monitors for Mac mini

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An existing tv you have with a h d m i input will work if you only need visual 
acces occasionally..

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:

> You should be able to get a decent monitor for under $200 USD pretty much 
> anywhere.
>
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 17:10, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
> Thanks Brad, it???s been so long since I used a computer monitor that I 
> didn???t even know they were making them anymore. I was considering the mini 
> just as a way to save a few dollars on a new Mac but the cost of the monitor 
> and speakers will probably negate any savings. Probably just as well to buy a 
> MacBook Air which is what I use nowadays anyway. Any thoughts as to 
> advantages of a mini over a MacBook Air?
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >
> > ???Pretty much any monitor will work.  Be aware that the Mac mini has an 
> > HDMI port, so if the monitor you choose has something other than an HDMI 
> > port, you will need an adapter/dongle to connect the monitor to the 
> > mini???s HDMI port.
> >
> > For example, Apple sells a DVI to HDMI adapter for $29. (see link below)
> >
> > Apple HDMI to DVI Adapter
> > https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MJVU2AM/A?cid=mail%20share 
> > 
> >
> > While I recommend an adapter sold by Apple, there may be alternatives 
> > available from Amazon or other vendors.
> >
> >
> > - Brad -
> >
> >
> > On Oct 29, 2021, at 15:08, Phil Halton  wrote:
> >
> > I realize a monitor is not necessary for the mini, but I think I would like 
> > to have a monitor attached just for cited persons assistance on occasion. 
> > My question, what monitor can I get for a mini and I???m talking cheap as 
> > possible. Thanks for any help.
> >
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Re: Monitors for Mac mini

[dan d.]

There are also adaptors using a thunderbolt port.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021, Brad Snyder wrote:

> Pretty much any monitor will work.  Be aware that the Mac mini has an HDMI 
> port, so if the monitor you choose has something other than an HDMI port, you 
> will need an adapter/dongle to connect the monitor to the mini???s HDMI port.
>
> For example, Apple sells a DVI to HDMI adapter for $29. (see link below)
>
> Apple HDMI to DVI Adapter
> https://store.apple.com/xc/product/MJVU2AM/A?cid=mail%20share
>
> While I recommend an adapter sold by Apple, there may be alternatives 
> available from Amazon or other vendors.
>
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 15:08, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
> I realize a monitor is not necessary for the mini, but I think I would like 
> to have a monitor attached just for cited persons assistance on occasion. My 
> question, what monitor can I get for a mini and I???m talking cheap as 
> possible. Thanks for any help.
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
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Re: A New Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Sounds like a question to be addressed to apple disability, use this number:


877 204 3930On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
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RE: A New Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Not since the introduction of the 2014 model line has that been an issue.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021, Rebecca Skipper wrote:

> Is a monitor connected to the Mini?
>
> If not, a dongle that emulates a monitor should work.
>
> I???ve heard of blind users having trouble if a monitor or adapter was not 
> connected at startup.
>
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A New Mac Mini
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Is she using an Apple keyboard?  If it is a third party keyboard, then it???s 
> possible that the cmd and option keys are reversed.  So, you???d press 
> option-f5 instead.
>
>
>
> Later???
>
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:30 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I???m helping a friend who just got her new Mini with the M1 chip. She has it 
> plugged in and turned it on. Is there a special key combination she needs to 
> press as she boots it up. I ask, because when we pressed command+f5 to get VO 
> to come on all we got was a small done sound. We get that from any key 
> pressed. Where do we go from here?
>
> Kristeen
> just took the
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Recent Siri Changes Remove Call, Email, and Voicemail Features Used by Low Vision and Blind Users

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https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/siri-changes-features-removed/
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Re: Direct Access to Startup Disk Dialog in System Preferences

[dan d.]

In addition to creating a shell script textt file, it must be given permissions 
to operate using this command:

chmod  file-name

The numbrs allow all permmission functions to be linked to the file, it can use 
other numbers to limit which functions and to whom permission
is given to use/modify it.

Also, an ".sh" extension is not required, in fact no extension is required.  
But the ".sh" is the common one used to identify it as a shell
script file.

 . On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, Dave Carlson wrote:

> Tim,
> You are a breath of fresh air and knowledge. Thanks for putting my mind at 
> rest on how to do this. I???d never had known about this stuff.
>
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>
> On Sep 15, 2021, at 10:08 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> To get quickly to Terminal, you can press cmd-shift-u when in the Finder, 
> which will take you to the Utilities folder, then press t e r, as in the 
> first three letters of the app named Terminal, then press cmd-o to open it.  
> Alternatively, you could place a shortcut to the Terminal on your Dock.  Just 
> use the first two steps, then once Terminal is selected, instead of pressing 
> cmd-o press cmd-ctrl-shift-t to place the selected item on the Dock.
>
> To answer your second question, as the author notes in their instructions, 
> normally, this is a permanent change unless you add some extra text to the 
> commands as outlined in the article.
>
> You could create a shell script by typing the commands into a plain text 
> document, then saving it with a .sh extension.  Save this .sh document onto 
> your Desktop, then simply VO-space on the .sh document to run it.  This would 
> automatically run that command, or group of commands, in Terminal essentially 
> having a shortcut to do the task for you.
>
> Later???
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
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>
> > On Sep 15, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson  > > wrote:
> >
> > Tim,
> > Excellent information. Since I???m very new to any terminal stuff, may I 
> > ask a couple more questions?
> >
> > 1. How do I get to the terminal command line quickly?
> >
> > 2. If I do use the pseudo bless command  string to designate my other 
> > volume to be the next boot, will that be a permanent change, or will 
> > everything go back to normal after a subsequent reboot?
> >
> > Dave Carlson
> > Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2021, at 7:12 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Using Terminal is probably your best bet.  See this link for more details:
> >
> > http://www.robertopasini.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/556-osx-setting-the-startup-disk-using-terminal
> >  
> > 
> >
> > If you need any other assistance creating the shell script, let us know.
> >
> > Later???
> >
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> >> On Sep 14, 2021, at 10:20 PM, Dave Carlson  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I use the Startup Disk Dialog often to switch back and forth between 
> >> Mojave and Catalina. Is there a way to put a shortcut or alias on my 
> >> desktop to quickly access this dialog? Or even better a rapid way to 
> >> switch between the OS options? They are on separate partitions on my hard 
> >> drive.
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> >> Dave Carlson
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Loss of time announcement

[dan d.]

Sometimes when I reboot or start my mac the option-t key time announcement 
commander doesn't work.

Is it possible to activate that key commander without restarting and is there 
some other possible solution

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Re: Remote controlling a Mac with Voiceover

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Ssh works just fine in terminal with all the usual configuration as in linux; 
terminal is a flavor of unix.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>
> On 14/8/21 4:14 pm, Frank Ventura wrote:
>
> Is there any Voiceover friendly means of remotely controlling another Mac?
> There is Secure Shell (ssh) for anything you can do from a shell prompt. 
> Unfortunately, the Mac isn't like Linux, where almost anything can be 
> configured by running a shell command or editing a textual configuration file 
> - and it's all documented.
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Re: File duplicate detector

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In terminal there are apps which can easily do this.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good app that can detect duplicate filenames that have 
> different file extensions but the same text for the rest of the filename?
>
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Re: Copying CDs onto my Mac without having them added to my Music library

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The mac terminal already has one, the copy command.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021, Herbie Allen wrote:

> There probably are external cd copying programs for the Mac. You could put 
> them in an iCloud or dropbox folder so you can access them from anywhere.
>
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> > Hi all,
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> > I have some yoga CDs that I would like to be able to play on my phone or 
> > iPad.  Is there some way I can copy these onto my Mac, and access them from 
> > my i-devices without having them included in my Music library?  What I???mm 
> > trying to avoid is having them start playing when I???m playing music.
> > Cheers,
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Re: Separate Tracks on the Mac

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I use m p v in terminal and that can be selected.  There is a gui version, 
google should easily find it.

This is a free opensource audio/video player with all the bells and whistles 
one might desire.  I have yet to find a format it doesn't handle.
One can play only the audio track for example.

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> Dear  all:
>
> I have an mpg movie file which played on pc, I can select tract 5 which is 
> the audiodescription.
> Is there anyway to perform a similar process on the Mac?  If so, please guide 
> me appropriately as I???m quite a dunce on audio stuff.
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Re: How to move data from a notetaker that uses slowly season to function to my MacBook Pro and how to secure this data because it is sensitive.

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How Do I Password Protect My Files & Folders

https://macreports.com/how-do-i-password-protect-my-files-folders-in-macos/

On Sun, 18 Jul 2021, Maurice Mines wrote:

> Good morning everyone, I am as my subject line states needing to move 
> sensitive data from a notetaker that is slowly ceasing to function. It will 
> be replaced but not with a note taker so I???m wanting to put this data on my 
> MacBook Pro but because it is sensitive data is there a good way to 
> password-protected and/or otherwise secure this data? I look forward to any 
> responses that anyone may have.
>
> Please note that I???m dictating this to my phone. There may in fact be 
> errors in the above text. If there???s something that you can???t understand, 
> please reach out to me and ask me what my original intent was? Thank you very 
> much for reading this.
>
> maurice Mines
> Maurice mines.
> Board member, National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
> Vice president National Federation a of the blind of California Bakersfield 
> chapter.
> Amateur radio call sign kd0iko.
> Direct phone number,  661-459-6328.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 18, 2021, at 10:41 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > ???
> >> On 17/7/21 6:59 pm, Steve Matzura wrote:
> >> What's popular and usable on MacOS for scanning paper and turning it into 
> >> plain text--e.g., with a handheld camera or a flatbed scanner?
> >> I've read positive reports about ABBYY FineReader for Mac, but I haven't 
> >> used it personally. They have apparently rewritten the user interface and 
> >> have released (or are soon to release) a new version.
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Re: Problem with reading text file on Mac.

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If scanned it is a graphic of text, needs ocr.

On Sat, 3 Jul 2021, Steve Z. wrote:

> Hi list,
> A friend of mine sent me a .txt file that was written or scanned on windows. 
> When I opened it on Mac, couldn???t read it. What should I do?
> Thanks
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Re: adding text at start of video on mac

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One approach would be to use the say command in terminal which can output 
spoken text as an audio file.  That could be prefixed to each upload.

On Thu, 24 Jun 2021, Michael Marshall wrote:

> hey all,
> A very interesting situation, I upload a lot of historical audio from decades 
> gone by that does have some offensive content, what i want to do is put a 
> verbal warning as well as a text warning at the beginning of these videos for 
> youtube.
> Has anyone ever attempted to put text on the YouTube videos using a mac?
> I would be curious to see how you go about this.
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Re: Alexa on Mac.

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Try this link:

Free App 'Reverb' Brings Amazon's Alexa to Mac Desktops,


https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/19/reverb-app-amazon-alexa-mac-ios/

Alexa App for Mac OS


On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Herbie Allen wrote:

> I do not find this app on the Mac App store nor am I finding any results with 
> general searches.
>
> > On Jun 21, 2021, at 13:43, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
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> > Hi Herbie there is an app called Reverb. I believe it was free. If not it's 
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> >
> >> God bless.
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> >> Certified assistive technology specialist
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> >
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> >> On Jun 21, 2021, at 14:30, Herbie Allen  >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >> Someone mentioned you can use Alexa on the mac. So far, I have not found 
> >> an easy way of doing this other than the browser. I lookied in the app 
> >> store and I see some thrid-party utilities that cost. Therefore, if you 
> >> use Alexa on the Mac, how do you access her?
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Re: Mac app for playing internet radio feeds

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It should be in the app store for both the mac and ios devices.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Anders Holmberg wrote:

> Hi!
> But don???t you need the Alexa device then?
> If not then I will download that.
> /A
>
> > 21 juni 2021 kl. 15:28 skrev dan d. :
> >
> >
> > Perhaps not what you had in mind, the software for the amazon alexa smart 
> > speakers is available free on macs and operates entirely by voice.
> > It has access to web stations am/fm domestically and around the globe.  By 
> > voice you mention the call sign, frequency or station name to start
> > playing a station.  Not to mention the many many other features and 
> > functions that are available on alexa.
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Frank Ventura wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all, can anyone recommend an app from the Mac app store that will play 
> >> internet radio feeds and is compaitble with Airplay? Of course it should 
> >> work with voiceover.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> Frank Ventura
> >>
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Re: Mac app for playing internet radio feeds

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Perhaps not what you had in mind, the software for the amazon alexa smart 
speakers is available free on macs and operates entirely by voice.
It has access to web stations am/fm domestically and around the globe.  By 
voice you mention the call sign, frequency or station name to start
playing a station.  Not to mention the many many other features and functions 
that are available on alexa.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi all, can anyone recommend an app from the Mac app store that will play 
> internet radio feeds and is compaitble with Airplay? Of course it should work 
> with voiceover.
>
> thanks
> Frank Ventura
>
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Re: Applescript commander acting strange.

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A script workss the same in eeither.  I suggest you join and ask the script 
question in this mailing list:

applescript-us...@lists.apple.com
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> OK yes, but there is still a need for scripting to work consistently.
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2021, at 15:00, dan d.  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A key commander can use all 26 letter keys and all numbers if you use the 
> > numpad commmander version.
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Jun 2021, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> >
> >> =Hello,
> >>
> >> I was listening to the communication about Voiceover issues on Saturday 
> >> and somebody complained about the difficulty of using VO-command-space to 
> >> get to actions on the notifications. OF course one can always add 
> >> commanders, but these end up being limited in the keys you can use.
> >> I know that with Automator one can create "quick actions" and then assign 
> >> keyboard commands to them in system preferences
> >> So I fired up the automator tool, created a new quick action automation 
> >> with just a do AppleScript in it.
> >> I then added in the AppleScript area the following code:
> >> on run
> >>tell application "VoiceOver"
> >>tell commander
> >>perform command "actions"
> >>end tell
> >>end tell
> >> end run
> >>
> >> Editor and verifying that this caused the co-command-space functionality.
> >> I pressed compile, pressed the run button and it appeared to work.
> >> So, I saved it as "voiceover actions".
> >> I set up a keyboard shortcut in system preferences keyboard  shortcuts 
> >> services
> >>
> >> Now to test it out???
> >> First issue: in notification center, the keystroke just beeped at me. (so 
> >> probably a limitation of Notification not accepting keyboard input.
> >> 1Then just to make sure my general logic worked, I tried it in text edit.
> >> Second issue:  Got an error:
> >> The action ???Run AppleScript??? encountered an error: ???VoiceOver got an 
> >> error: "actions" doesn???t understand the ???perform command??? message.???
> >>
> >> Which is quite strange because it should have been sending the "perform 
> >> command"  message to commander with an argument of "actions".
> >>
> >> If anybody wants to play with this code and see if they can get better 
> >> results I would be interested.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Applescript commander acting strange.

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A key commander can use all 26 letter keys and all numbers if you use the 
numpad commmander version.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> =Hello,
>
> I was listening to the communication about Voiceover issues on Saturday and 
> somebody complained about the difficulty of using VO-command-space to get to 
> actions on the notifications. OF course one can always add commanders, but 
> these end up being limited in the keys you can use.
> I know that with Automator one can create "quick actions" and then assign 
> keyboard commands to them in system preferences
> So I fired up the automator tool, created a new quick action automation with 
> just a do AppleScript in it.
> I then added in the AppleScript area the following code:
> on run
>   tell application "VoiceOver"
>   tell commander
>   perform command "actions"
>   end tell
>   end tell
> end run
>
> Editor and verifying that this caused the co-command-space functionality.
> I pressed compile, pressed the run button and it appeared to work.
> So, I saved it as "voiceover actions".
> I set up a keyboard shortcut in system preferences keyboard  shortcuts 
> services
>
> Now to test it out???
> First issue: in notification center, the keystroke just beeped at me. (so 
> probably a limitation of Notification not accepting keyboard input.
> 1Then just to make sure my general logic worked, I tried it in text edit.
> Second issue:  Got an error:
> The action ???Run AppleScript??? encountered an error: ???VoiceOver got an 
> error: "actions" doesn???t understand the ???perform command??? message.???
>
> Which is quite strange because it should have been sending the "perform 
> command"  message to commander with an argument of "actions".
>
> If anybody wants to play with this code and see if they can get better 
> results I would be interested.
>
> Jonathan
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
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>
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Re: Moving files from old drive to new drive using terminal

[dan d.]

It depends if you want to duplicate the entire drive or just some folders.  The 
first can be done with one command, the second requires one or
more commands depending on their location and number of folders.  It is easily 
done in either case; I have done it many times.  Use the cp
copy command as it leaves the original files in case there is a problem, the mv 
move command erases the source files.

Let me know and I will provide the exact command syntax to use.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What is the terminal command for moving files from one volume to another?
>
> I know there is ???mv??? in there, but don???t remember the spaces and other 
> stuff..
>
> Thanks,
> Cait
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Re: PDF reader for the Mac accessible with voiceover

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Re: FireWire SSD question

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Your machine uses thunderbolt 2.  There are thunderbolt3 to thunderbolt2 
adaptors.  The usb--c and thunderbolt3 ports are the same.  I
predictt the thunderbolt line of connections will be merged into the usb line 
of connectivity.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Dear List,
> Today I received my first FireWire SSD,
>
> Item: 480GB OWC Envoy Pro FX Thunderbolt 3 + USB-C Portable NVMe SSD. The 
> fastest, most compatible portable drive ever made that works with 
> yesterday's, today's and tomorrow's Thunderbolt and USB computers and 
> devices.; 3 Year OWC Limited Warranty. (OWCTB3ENVPFX.5)
> I am using a late 2015 iMac.
> I never held a ThunderBolt 3 cable before. I was trying to purchase a drive 
> to plug into the thunderbolt connection, but this seems to be a USB C cable 
> with a standard USB adapter.
> There are two ports on my Mac but this cable will not fit.
> I am very confused.
> Are they calling USB C Thunderbolt?
> Thanks in advance,
> Rob
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Re: looking for a new iMac

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The macmini has the new chip and computing power equal to an imac.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, Marie Lyons wrote:

> I looked on the Apple store app on my phone and noticed they all had the 
> intel processor. Did I miss something or is the new Apple processor only on 
> the iPads and MacBooks ? Can anyone suggest what I might look at? All help 
> greatly appreciated.
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Re: Alternative to Apple Keyboard

[dan d.]

I would look for used and refurbished mac sources; who likely have older 
keyboards also.  My local apple store says apple can supply one if
your current one is sent back to be refurbished.

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> As a consequence of poor tactile feeling in my fingers and hands, I much 
> prefer to use an Apple external keyboard to the on-board keyboards I've come 
> across.
>
> The Apple keyboard I'm referring to is solidly built; Has a half inch step to 
> rays the rear end of the keyboard, just below the IF keys and is about 4 
> inches broad.
>
> The Query keys are slightly apart and have a solid and sure click;  The 6 
> pack and navigation and numeric sections are also professionally constructed 
> to give someone with my poor touch a degree of confidence.  I'm gutted 
> however as I've managed somehow to damage my keyboard by spilling something 
> over it.
>
> The Apple store in Glasgow are asking for ??115 for a replacement.  Despite 
> my love of this keyboard, I think it's rather too expensive.
>
> I've noted on this list that some members have purchased None Apple keyboards 
> using Amazon.
>
> Can anyone please guide  me to such a keyboard and also, tell me if it is as 
> nice as Apples own model or should I stick with Apple.
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Re: Newspaper archives

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Before the time of the internet newspaper archives were on microfilm.  Some 
major papers have put those images online but will require ocr to
access them.

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> Hello listers,
>
> I am doing a dissertation in the UK and need to access newspaper archives 
> going back to the first world war.
>
> Has anyone come across a voiceover friendly archive site? I don???t mind 
> paying for access.
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Re: Apprising Uber drivers of blindness in advance of pick-up

[dan d.]

Unless of course the uber driver sees your dog and somehow just cann't find you 
as he drives on by.

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> > States, the ada requires these services to accept service dogs. the nfb 
> > successfully enforced this with a settlement  that requires drivers to be 
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Re: keyboards on a Mac mini

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One way to check if it is mapped to any mac/voiceover function is to vo+k for 
keyboard help mode where key commands are announced when
pressed.

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> Sounds like you have a keyboard with a Windows layout.
> My guess is that your mystery key is the Fn-key.  Not sure if it will 
> function as an Fn-key when used on a Mac, but I'm sure you will be able to 
> figure it out eventually.
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2021, at 17:20, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>
> I ordered a keyboard from. Amazon that said it was compatible with Apple 
> magic. I hooked itup recently because my old one is getting more and more 
> disfunctional. it seems to be fine except that it has 4 keys on each side of 
> the spacebar. it's not too bad. command is directly next to the spacebar. 
> then comes option or it works like option anyway. then comes who knows what 
> and then control at the end. so my question iks: is there anything that this 
> other key next to control does if you have it hooked up to a Mac?
>
> Thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Terminal copy file command help needed

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When you open terminal you are in your home folder.  Use just ~/documents/"time 
of Day.applescript" for the copy.  Note, if a file or
directory name contains spaces enclose it with quotation marks as shown.

That script is an example used in a key commander that comes with os10, so any 
new version overides your modified script of the same name.
You can change the name and make the change in the key commander.  Thus it will 
not be overridden.


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> Dear List,
> I need help with this terminal copy file command.
> I need it to overwrite the existing file in the destination.
>
> cp ~ % /Users/robert/Documents/Time\ Of\ Day.applescript 
> ~/Library/Scripts/VoiceOver/
>
> Every time Mac OS updates, it replaces this file that I customized.
>
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Re: FTP on Mac.

[dan d.]

There are ftp and sftp in terminal and work flawlessly.
On Mon, 1 Feb 2021, Herbie Allen wrote:

> What do you all recommend for accessing FTP servers on the Mac?
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

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When choosing flycut from the extras menu it opens with any saved items and its 
own menu.  Even if nothing has been saved its own menu items appear.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Not really. If I try to open Flycut from the extras menu it???s just an empty 
> window. So it seems not to be very user friendly to VoiceOver users.
>
>
> > Am 12.01.2021 um 23:38 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> >
> > I finally got it working.
> > Do you know if there is a way to clear a single entry without clearing all 
> > entries?
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:15 AM, J??rgen Fleger  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I had to do the following to get it to work:
> >> open the Flycut app
> >> it seems as if nothing happened but in truth an invisible window opened
> >> press Enter to confirm and open System Preferences to enable AEServer to 
> >> make Flycut working
> >>
> >> After this it appeared in the extras menu.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> J??rgen
> >>
> >>
> >>> Am 12.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
> >>> I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
> >>> Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can 
> >>>> be quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
> >>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> I got this from the App Store.
> >>>>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> >>>>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
> >>>>> monitor, or in the extras menu.
> >>>>> And its not showing in force quit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to 
> >>>>>> use and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that 
> >>>>>>> are accessible?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> Christina
> >>>>>>>
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

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When a block of text or last spoken item is saved for pasting;  it is kept in 
memory until replaced with the next save.
The clipboard manager keeps all the recent saves in a menu selection listt 
which can be used at any time after being saved..

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Just curious, what does this app do?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 12, 2021, at 7:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >
> > ???It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can 
> > be quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
> >> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I got this from the App Store.
> >> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> >> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
> >> monitor, or in the extras menu.
> >> And its not showing in force quit.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to 
> >>> use and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> >>>> accessible?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Christina
> >>>>
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

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It's in menu extras, choose it and the configuration and quit menu items are 
there.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi,
> same issues here. Could someone explain more how to use this tool?
> Thanks
> J??rgen
>
> > Am 11.01.2021 um 20:41 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> >
> > Hi,
> > I got this from the App Store.
> > I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> > I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
> > monitor, or in the extras menu.
> > And its not showing in force quit.
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
> >> and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> >>> accessible?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Christina
> >>>
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

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It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be quit 
there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
> I got this from the App Store.
> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity monitor, 
> or in the extras menu.
> And its not showing in force quit.
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
> > and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> >> accessible?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Christina
> >>
> >>
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

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I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use and 
configure, I wouldn't do without it.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> accessible?
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: additional voices?

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I find alex a bother, too cute by far with those distracting attempts to sound 
human but missing the mark.

I use tom which has none of the alex faults but perfectly intelligible and does 
not draw attention to itself; like most of the other voices.

On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Chris Westbrook wrote:

> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional
> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he
> doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: additional voices?

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That is one of the novelty voices that add sound effects.  That one makes each 
sylable sound like the overtones of a bell ringing.  There
about 4 of them.  One I don't recall sings the text.  Easily found on googlee 
using os10 novelty voices.


On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> What defines a voice as useless?
> I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
> Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must one go down
> the list  finding non-English speaking voices mixed  into the options?
> Clarity  is an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly on the mac.
> Thanks so much,
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
> > Well, I believe they???re only 40 English voice says, and of those at least 
> > 10 or totally useless. Generally they???re marked them as different genders 
> > and sometimes is a compact and a non-compact version. One example of a 
> > totally useless one, is the bells voice that was around since macOS eight 
> > or possibly seven.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ??? Jonathan,
> >> Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
> >> Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
> >> Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from 
> >> each   other besides the name.
> >> That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
> >> Karen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from 
> >>> Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of 
> >>> VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will 
> >>> be "customize".
> >>> Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a 
> >>> checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in 
> >>> VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. 
> >>> The Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK 
> >>> button accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the 
> >>> new voices the next time it checks for updates.
> >>>
> >>>Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> > On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
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>  I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional 
>  voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he 
>  doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

[dan d.]

Aside from audio connection, does this permit any other shared function between 
the two devices?
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi Fazil. Do you have the Amazon A L E X A app on your phone? If so, find 
> your device in the app and select bluetooth. Once there, have the app start 
> scanning for Bluetooth devices. Next, on your Mac launch system preferences 
> and select the bluetooth preference pain. VO Right Arrow until you see a 
> table. This should have all your Bluetooth capable devices so interact with 
> the table and look for your Echo. If you're running Big Sur, activate the 
> actions menu by pressing VO+Command+Spacebar and select pair. And if you have 
> any other questions about your Mac or Echo, I have groups in Whatsapp that 
> you can join. Info is in my signature.
>
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll happily add 
> you.
>
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
> > On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> >
> > Can I connect Mac to Alexa? If yes, how can that be done, please?
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> > Behalf Of Jessica Moss
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:35 AM
> > To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
> > Subject: Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
> >
> > I???ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low 
> > that I practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in 
> > order to hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, 
> > and/know what the cause is for it?
> >
> >> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>
> >> Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
> >>
> >> I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up 
> >> there.
> >>
> >> Traci
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
> >>> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> >>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
> >>>
> >>> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
> >>>
> >>> *Claps hands with excitement!
> >>>
> >>> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
> >>> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;)
> >>>
> >>> Traci
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Re: Safari on a Mac

[dan d.]

There is a vo system configuration to have the vo cursor track the system and 
mouse cursors.  That way the vo cursor is where you have navigated.  Vo key 
commands continue to work independently of this feature.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, Brad Snyder wrote:

> Without knowing what website you are visiting, or anything else about your 
> situation; I have found that sometimes, it is helpful to route the mouse 
> pointer to the VoiceOver cursor using VO + CMD + F5, then perform the 
> VoiceOver mouse click using VO + Shift + Spacebar, to select/activate a link.
>
> I don???t know if this will help, but you might want to give it a try.
>
> - Brad -
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2020, at 19:49, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>
> I'm running Mojave on my Mac mini. for the past few days I've been having 
> focus trouble in Safari. I'll land on a link and press vo-space on it but 
> nothing happens or it'll say a word not in the link as though focus is 
> somewhere else. how do I adjust this?
>
> thanks.
> Lorie
>
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Re: Voice control of Amazon microwave via Alexa app on iPhone? Can this be done after setting up the oven and linking it to Alexa? Or do I have to have that Echo Dot also connected to Alexa? I won’t b

[dan d.]

There is alexa for smartphones and other devices like tablets that work like an 
echo device.  It is different then the smartphone app to
manage preferences.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2020, Phil Halton wrote:

> Hi Janet, I got the microwave today and it is set up and working. I 
> pre-positioned a lock dot on the number two with the help of be my eyes in 
> preparation for the set up, and it worked great. You can use the Alexa app to 
> operate the microwave without an Echo Dot or other echo device. Although, it 
> is probably a lot easier with the echo device and the Alexa button. I have an 
> Echo Dot coming in a week or so, but I can use the microwave just fine using 
> the Alexa app until then.
>
>
> I???ve been using an old clunker of a microwave with only two rotary knobs 
> that I???ve had for 17 years now. I figured it???s going to give out some day 
> soon perhaps, actually will probably last another 10 or 20 years, but the 
> Amazon basics is definitely a good upgrade and I like the voice control. 
> thanks for your article, it made the decision process a lot easier. Sent from 
> my IPhone
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Janet Ingber  wrote:
> >
> > ???Hi Phil,
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge you will need the  Dot. You will use the Alexa 
> > app to pair the microwave with the dot.
> >
> > Best,
> > JanetSent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 10, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> >>
> >> ???
> >>
> >> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: usb keyboard

[dan d.]

Vo+k will bring up keyboard help. Pressing a key or combination will announce 
its function.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:

> I ordered a keyboard for my Mac that said it can be used with either a Mac or 
> a windows computer. it has 4 keys on each side of the spacebar. the one on 
> the right at the end that I guess you'd call control is long. I don't know if 
> that means it functions differently or not.which keys equate to what? in 
> other words, how do I do things like interact?
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> thanks.
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Re: really slow Mac Mini

[dan d.]

Another thought on the ssd fixing a slow macmini.

The operating system had to be reinstalled too.  Perhaps that was the source of 
the fix.

An apple store will do that for free, or at least my local one does.  You could 
do it yourself  using the recovery method or download approach..

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020, dan d. wrote:

>
> This raises a question, what does slow mean?  Is it slow in loading apps. and 
> otherwise responding or is it slow to bootup ?
>
> A ssd isn't going to make a difference to any large degree with usual app. 
> functionality.
>
> I have a macmini the same model as your's.  The harddrive went bad and I 
> installled a ssd.  Booting is very fast, other functions only
> marginally so.
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>
> > oh geeez! I'm not capable of doing all that. I guess I could call my tech 
> > out here. my model is the middle one, very late 2014. December I think. I 
> > don't suppose you're in Texas.
> >
> > > On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:53 PM, David The Computer Guy 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I just fixed a 2014 Mac mini for a guy that was running quite slowly and 
> > > had the spinning beachball, I put in the solid-state hard drive and it 
> > > took off like a sculled ally cat. The model that I did the upgrade on is 
> > > the entry-level model that cost about $499 back in 2016. Ended up having 
> > > to tear apart the whole Mac Mini Just to get down to the hard drive, 
> > > note, you need to get the special tamper proof screwdriver set to get 
> > > into the Mac MiniJust to get down to the hard drive, note, you need to 
> > > get the special tamper proof screwdriver set on Amazon.
> > >
> > > ATKMM2 Tool Kit for Mac Mini Computers 2014, 2015, 2016, for teardown 
> > > opening repair of your mac including Hard drive Logic board removal, 
> > > power supply, fan, antenna and more 
> > > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0747VK4WR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_alPCFb155V1JF
> > >
> > > How to video.
> > > https://youtu.be/hgEBPlz4QB8 <https://youtu.be/hgEBPlz4QB8>
> > >
> > > Sent from David The Computer Guy
> > > 707 759 7586
> > >
> > >> On Sep 28, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ???it's late 2014.
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:50 PM, matthew dyer 
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> Using 10??e?? do not have this problem.  What year mac mini is it?  I 
> > >>> have the 2018 mottle with 16 GB of ram and a 1 tb SSD.  HTH.
> > >>>
> > >>> Matthew
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> > >>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> > >>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 3:47 PM
> > >>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>> Subject: really slow Mac Mini
> > >>>
> > >>> some update has really slowed my Mac Mini down. I don't know what it 
> > >>> was but I restarted in order to install something and now my Mac is 
> > >>> really dragging. anybody else having problems like this? I'm running 
> > >>> Mojave still but I'm planning to upgrade to Big Sir sometime in the 
> > >>> near future.
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks.
> > >>> Lorie
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Re: really slow Mac Mini

[dan d.]

This raises a question, what does slow mean?  Is it slow in loading apps. and 
otherwise responding or is it slow to bootup ?

A ssd isn't going to make a difference to any large degree with usual app. 
functionality.

I have a macmini the same model as your's.  The harddrive went bad and I 
installled a ssd.  Booting is very fast, other functions only
marginally so.

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:

> oh geeez! I'm not capable of doing all that. I guess I could call my tech out 
> here. my model is the middle one, very late 2014. December I think. I don't 
> suppose you're in Texas.
>
> > On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:53 PM, David The Computer Guy  
> > wrote:
> >
> > I just fixed a 2014 Mac mini for a guy that was running quite slowly and 
> > had the spinning beachball, I put in the solid-state hard drive and it took 
> > off like a sculled ally cat. The model that I did the upgrade on is the 
> > entry-level model that cost about $499 back in 2016. Ended up having to 
> > tear apart the whole Mac Mini Just to get down to the hard drive, note, you 
> > need to get the special tamper proof screwdriver set to get into the Mac 
> > MiniJust to get down to the hard drive, note, you need to get the special 
> > tamper proof screwdriver set on Amazon.
> >
> > ATKMM2 Tool Kit for Mac Mini Computers 2014, 2015, 2016, for teardown 
> > opening repair of your mac including Hard drive Logic board removal, power 
> > supply, fan, antenna and more 
> > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0747VK4WR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_alPCFb155V1JF
> >
> > How to video.
> > https://youtu.be/hgEBPlz4QB8 
> >
> > Sent from David The Computer Guy
> > 707 759 7586
> >
> >> On Sep 28, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> >>
> >> ???it's late 2014.
> >>
> >>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:50 PM, matthew dyer 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Using 10??e?? do not have this problem.  What year mac mini is it?  I 
> >>> have the 2018 mottle with 16 GB of ram and a 1 tb SSD.  HTH.
> >>>
> >>> Matthew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> >>> On Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 3:47 PM
> >>> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> Subject: really slow Mac Mini
> >>>
> >>> some update has really slowed my Mac Mini down. I don't know what it was 
> >>> but I restarted in order to install something and now my Mac is really 
> >>> dragging. anybody else having problems like this? I'm running Mojave 
> >>> still but I'm planning to upgrade to Big Sir sometime in the near future.
> >>>
> >>> thanks.
> >>> Lorie
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Re: a question about a Mac application and whether it is wise to finish the purchase of this application?

[dan d.]

Sftp in terminal works flawlessly.  Termanal is a fully functioning unix 
derived shel with no shortcomings.
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020, maurice mines wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone, I'm writing to ask about transmit for the Mac,
> I am attempting to use this application to send files to a X server of
> course the Lenox server uses secure FTP. The particular flavor of planet
> X is Ubuntu long-term support 19.0.4, the big issue here is I am having
> somewhat of a problem, and getting transmit to only send but I wish to
> send. The application seems to want to sink my entire computer with the
> server. This is not a good thing to do. Since my storage is roughly 85
> gig. And I have a 2020 MacBook Pro. Which means I have a lot more data
> than my server can hold. And of course since some of that data is
> protected by international copyright etc. meaning reading materials that
> can only be viewed read etc. by me. Is this purchase of transmit a wise
> idea or is it better to just use what passes for the shell on the Mac.
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Please note that the above text has been dictated to the computer by
> means of dictation software. Some of it may not have turned out the way
> it was intended. If there's something that you really didn't understand,
> I will make every effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may
> arise based on the text above? I will work very hard to clear up any
> misunderstandings as I stated. Thank you very much for reading this.
>
>
> Note number two, the reason why this is being written in Windows is
> because the dictation software is a Windows piece of software. The
> company that makes this software has withdrawn their Mac product so
> that's I'm forced to use Windows in order to write this. This Windows is
> of course running in a boot camp configuration. Again thank you very
> much for reading this.
>
>
>   9/2020 9:56 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I updated the software on my Apple TV 4th Gen, earlier this week.
> >
> > Since doing so, I cannot reliably close apps via the Apple TV remote.
> >
> > 1.
> > After updating to the latest version of Apple TV OS, with VoiceOver enabled,
> > Go to Settings > Accessibility.
> >
> > 2.
> > Set navigation mode to Follow Focus instead of Direct Touch.  (For some
> > reason I have never been able to get the hang of Direct Touch, so, I do not
> > use it.)
> >
> > 3.
> > Now, press the Home button to go back to the home screen.
> >
> > 4.
> > Open a couple of apps and return to the Home screen.
> >
> > 5.
> > Double-press the Home button to bring up the App Switcher.
> >
> > 6.
> > Swipe to the left or right to land on an active app.
> >
> > 7.
> > Turn the Rotor to Actions.
> >
> > 8.
> > Swipe up to hear VoiceOver say, "Close App."
> >
> > Okay, it at number 8 where I run into problems.  I can set the Rotor to
> > Actions but, try as I may, single-finger (or, for that matter double-finger)
> > swiping up or down causes nothing to happen.
> >
> > Clearly I am doing something wrong but cannot discover my error.
> >
> > For the record, when the navigation method is set to Direct Touch, closing
> > an app is not a problem.
> >
> > All replies greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>

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Re: Is YouTube TV VoiceOver Accessible on Apple TV? Are There Other Live Streaming TV Services You Would Recommend?

[dan d.]

To get local tv use an inexpensive hd digital antenna  that plugss into the tv.

Yu get  local channels and their sub-channels.

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am thinking about subscribing to YouTube TV for use on my Apple TV device.
>
>
> Does anyone know if the app is VoiceOver accessible?
>
> I am going to assume that if the app is VoiceOver accessible on Apple TV,
> then it will most likely be accessible on iPad OS 14; I hope.
>
> Believe it or not, I am currently in a situation where, because of the
> pandemic lock-down, I cannot get new cable TV service installed in my home
> from my preferred cable provider.
>
> So, because I would very much like to have a live local TV streaming
> service, I have been researching various TV streaming services and YouTube
> TV seems to come very highly recommended.
>
> The only thing about YouTube TV that I don't like is that one cannot sign up
> for a subscription through Apple.  It has been my experience that, while it
> may be easy to sign up for a monthly third-party subscription, it can be
> much more difficult to unsubscribe.
>
> I prefer to subscribe to third-party services through Apple because I know
> that I can easily unsubscribe when ready, without any hassle.
>
> So, if anyone knows of a local live TV streaming service that allows
> subscriptions through Apple please let me know as I would greatly appreciate
> any help on this.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: Voiceover scripts

[dan d.]

The scripts you refer to are apple scripts and are not limited to voiceover 
functions.

Here is the specific location of the time/date script you want:

/library/scripts/voiceover

The name of the script is:

Time Of Day.applescript

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> Well, I expect the date/time is the one that Alex Hall wrote? Certainly the 
> battery status one is. You can look in the commander and I believe the 
> complete path of the script will be listed there.
> If not, I do have some e-mails around from the Alex with the scripts.
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 15:38, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have done a search on my mac for scripts, but I???m not finding the ones 
> > for voiceover. Is there another way to search for them? The one that says 
> > the date and time, and the battery status.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > I want to make a portable copy of my Voiceover settings, but won???t I need 
> > the scripts for them to work on another machine?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Traci
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Re: numlock

[dan d.]

The key above 7 on the numpad.

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, Lorie McCloud wrote:

> can somebody tell me where the numlock is on a standard Apple keyboard or 
> where to find that info?
>
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Looking for FTP app for Mac

[dan d.]

In terminal there are both ftp and sftp, the latter a very much secure approach.

On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Dear List,
> Can you suggest a free accessible FTP app for the Mac?
> Thanks,
> Rob
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Re: Plain text documents

[dan d.]

I have a suggestion for doing google searches.  As you no doubt discovered 
using voiceover as a single search term also brings up the practice
of adding voice commentary.

Use as the first search term os10, that is the generic term for the mac 
operating system.  Then add voiceover and the paticular info desired
about it.  You should not get the voice added meaning of voiceover in the 
results.

Google uses search term order as one rule for searching and adding or excluding 
results..


On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, FIOGKOS wrote:

> Good morning everybody, I hope everybody is doing well. Before I get to my 
> question some of you may remember me from approximately three years ago. My 
> name is zoe and I live in Toronto Ontario Canada. Due to a strange illness I 
> had to leave the list but now I am back. I am fully healed and ready to go. I 
> am still a Mac newbie user for obvious reasons I wasn???t able to progress 
> with my learning. I seem to be doing well now and progressing slowly. I 
> understand the concept of disclosure triangles, navigating menus, navigating 
> the dock and the desktop, etc. of course I may still have a few tiny 
> questions about these things but in general I am doing OK. Google is my 
> friend and I have found a lot of answers on Google. It???s not always easy to 
> find answers on Google win you search a question adding the phrase using 
> voice over.
> obviously there are lots of people who belong to many lists and may have seen 
> some of my messages on other lists as well. I apologize to those who may be 
> seeing the same question posted on another list.
> Let me explain my question. I am still using a Windows laptop as well. I have 
> very important text documents on my windows that I have backed up to a 
> portable USB stick. I inserted the USB stick into my Mac and to my delight I 
> was able to view the files on the Mac and copy them and paste them into a new 
> folder on my Mac. These documents need to be updated with information every 
> so often. Meaning I need to have these documents as plain text documents on 
> my Mac so that I can update them and update the info on the portable USB 
> stick and the Windows laptop. Here???s where my question comes in. I also 
> would like to sync these notes onto my iPhone. I realize that I cannot save 
> these plain text documents or copy paste them into the notes App.
> Do I need to manually open each plain text document copy the text open a new 
> note on the Notes app and paste the text? Is there an easier way to copy 
> these documents and convert them into the proper format so that I can paste 
> them in my notes app? So I would like 2 copies of these notes on my Mac a 
> folder with plain text documents and also to have them in my notes app so in 
> essence my question is is there an easy way to do this or do I have to do it 
> manually?
> Thanks in advance for any help, I look forward to hearing from all of you.
> Regards zoe
>
>
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Re: Why the Mac's migration to Apple Silicon is bigger than ARM | Appleinsider

[dan d.]

It includes the death of boot camp also.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Barry Hadder wrote:

> I thought some might find this to be an interesting read regarding Apple???s 
> upcoming mac architecture.
>
> > https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/23/why-the-macs-migration-to-apple-silicon-is-bigger-than-arm
> >  
> > 
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Iphone access tweak

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https://www.zdnet.com/article/youll-wish-youd-made-this-simple-iphone-tweak-years-ago/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

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Re: Body Cams

[dan d.]

On Mon, 18 May 2020, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> I can also tell you one more thing, I was walking through the bus station one 
> day and I was just coming off a step and another person came rushing in front 
> of me, and she fell down in slow motion. There was nothing I could do but I 
> couldn???t stop laughing because it was the way that the person fell. My 
> rehab worker at the time told me off for laughing. I thought my cane was 
> going to break as she fell right over the tip of it. I could feel my cane 
> bending and bending.
>
>
> I am still waiting for a new guide dog as this Covid has shut all places 
> down. It???s really annoying. So I am resorting to use my cane again. And 
> every time I go out, I am scared that someone will fall over it.
> > On 18 May 2020, at 11:09 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:
> >
> > ???I guess it really behooves people who have site to look where they???re 
> > going, doesn???t it?
> > by the way, what happened to the rehab worker? Did they run for the hills 
> > when they saw what you did?
> > Sent from my IPhone
> >
> >
> >>> On May 18, 2020, at 4:34 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >> ???
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> I am just catching up on all the messages. I did have to reply to this one.
> >>
> >> One day during the Christmas rush, I was walking along the street with my 
> >> cane with a mobility rehab worker from Guide Dogs. So as I was walking 
> >> along, an old lady came running towards me, there was no way that I could 
> >> get my cane out of the way in time. She fell over my cane and rather than 
> >> falling to the ground, she went flat straight into a shop window. I was so 
> >> embarrassed. I stopped and called out to see if she was okay as she 
> >> started crying. There was nothing I could do. So I walked along and away. 
> >> I felt very bad for this person. But it wasn???t my fault. What a story.
> >>
>  On 14 May 2020, at 12:14 pm, Jessica Moss  
>  wrote:
> 
> >>> ???Oh not to worry, I had something really similar to that happen to me 
> >>> in middle school.  My 6th grade year, I was in special ed PE, which 
> >>> included students in wheelchairs, and we went out one afternoon to walk 
> >>> the track, and I was walking with a friend of mine when I felt someone 
> >>> rolling over my cane.  Everyone around us was like ???No Shawn, go 
> >>> around,??? but it was too late, my cane ended up caught in the spokes of 
> >>> his chair and the metal was crushed, so in the end, it looked more like I 
> >>> was holding a golf club.
> >>>
>  On May 14, 2020, at 2:12 AM, Simon A Fogarty  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Yeah I can understand that one.
> 
>  Ignorance is bliss.
> 
>  My neaces flatmate tripped over my cain one day and broke it,
>  A simple accident,
>  But when I said how do I get home now,
>  She said I don???t know but I could carry you,
> 
>  Which at the time was the best reply I???ve ever had
>  And at the time she didn???t know who I was.
> 
>  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>  Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 2:38 AM
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: Re: Body Cams
> 
>  Simon,  just that happened to me once at a state fair not long ago. The 
>  woman fell down and it was like watching a slow-motion dream. The cane 
>  snapped like a breadstick and they just started to waltz away. I said 
>  just what you did, ???how my supposed to get home now???, and the 
>  husband said I don???t know,  put on your sunglasses. I wasn???t very 
>  kind in my response.
> 
>  Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
> 
>  On May 13, 2020, at 2:23 AM, Simon A Fogarty  
>  wrote:
> 
>  ???
>  Mind you,
>  I???m sure I could hit someone around the ankle and they would 
>  definitely complain.
> 
>  And as I use a folding cain,
>  I find that when sighted people trip over it from not watching where I 
>  am going or they are stepping,
>  Not only does my cain break but they tend to fall over to which I say,
>  Well that probably hert, and how do I get home due to your clumsiness!?
> 
>  From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
>  Behalf Of Phil Halton
>  Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 1:09 AM
>  To:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: Re: Body Cams
> 
>  Knocking over old people, stepping on little children, just the other 
>  day I went into my local hospital and the greeter was very concerned 
>  that my white cane might injure the other people in the hospital. so, I 
>  tapped her on her ankle a few times to show her that it didn???t hurt. 
>  i???d like to see a project that collects stories from the blind of 
>  their dealings with the public. I know I???ve got quite a few.
> 
>  Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On May 12, 

Re: Variety of Mac questions

[dan d.]

If what you have is doing what you need, updates are superfluous.

Beyond appple marketing stratigy hype, I never understood the obsession with 
updates unless they had features of value for my needs.

Updates caan present undesired items, such as having to add shift to many 
combination keyboard commands in vo.
On Mon, 18 May 2020, Traci Duncan wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Ok, I just went back to the apple store and reread the costs and options. As 
> cool as the touch bar sounds, I???m not sure it???s worth the higher price. 
> If I am understanding correctly, I can max out the processor and memory of 
> the Air for $1350 in the education store. The air has the 10th gen processor, 
> vs the 8th gen in the Pro. Any thoughts on that? I???m not sure how different 
> the generations are.
>
> I also don???t really know if I need to max speed out. I did max out this 
> current mid 2011 air and it has lasted me this long. It is just too old to 
> update to latest OS.
>
> Thanks for the input,
> Traci
>
>
> > On May 18, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
> >
> > I agree with John.
> > I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 13 and I continue to learn more about the 
> > TouchBar the longer I have this machine.
> > I really think it is a personal choice.  Are you interested in learning to 
> > use the TouchBar or do you just want to stick with the familiar row of 
> > f-keys.
> > Aside from the TouchBar, you need to decide which machine suits your needs. 
> >  Do you need the more powerful MacBook Pro, or will the new MacBook Air do 
> > the job for you.
> > Also, there are 2 versions of the TouchBar MacBook Pro to choose from.  
> > Personally, I don???t think the entry-level MacBook Pro with 2 USB-
> > c ports is worth considering versus the new MacBook Air, but that is just 
> > my opinion.  When it comes to performance versus price, I don???t feel the 
> > entry-level MacBook Pro has a significant advantage over the MacBook Air, 
> > but again that is just my opinion.  Everyone must make the choice that is 
> > best for themselves.
> >
> > - Brad -
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 18, 2020, at 12:39, John Panarese  wrote:
> >
> >  Actually, the Touch Bar is a very powerful and useful tool, and many 
> > people use it effectively on the Mac Book Pro. From a blind perspective, 
> > you have to get used to it and take your time learning it. You can even 
> > customize the Touch Bar for specific apps to do quick actions for that app. 
> > I have slowly come along and have taken my time learning to use it. I 
> > finally am at the point in which I am customizing its options and making 
> > effective use of it.
> >
> >
> > Take Care
> >
> > John D. Panarese
> > Director
> > Mac for the Blind
> > Tel, (631) 724-4479
> > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> >
> > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> >
> > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> >
> > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 18, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Answers inline because there???s a lot of questions, sorry.
> >>
> >>> On May 18, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all, I have a variety of Mac questions.
> >>>
> >>> MacBook Pro
> >>> As voiceover users, what are your thoughts on the MacPro touch bar? Is 
> >>> that a selling point over the MacBook Air?
> >> Its not. The Touch Bar, for me, sucks, makes things slower, and should be 
> >> on Air MacBooks for consumers who like shiny new stuff, instead of pros 
> >> for people who try their best to get work done. Yes, I really don???t like 
> >> it.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Mac mini
> >>> Does anyone have experience choosing and connecting a monitor to the Mac 
> >>> mini? Picking out a good one for sighted household members? ;) I was 
> >>> under some assumption that a TV would work fine, but from my reading, 
> >>> that doesn't sound the case. It didn't occur to me, that monitors are 
> >>> built for sitting close, TV's are built for sitting away. Insert 
> >>> face-palm here.
> >> I just used a TV for my old Mac mini. It was a small TV, like a 21 inch or 
> >> so.
> >>>
> >>> Mac bluetooth accessories
> >>> I've recently learned about bluetooth numb pads. I remember way back in 
> >>> the day, I loved using an external numb pad with my Window's machine. 
> >>> Anyone with experience using one of these with Mac? I know the numb pad 
> >>> will extend voiceover commands, but I don't know if a bluetooth one will 
> >>> do this.
> >> It should.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the help. I am ready to upgrade my MacBook Air mid 2011, but 
> >>> clearly having a hard time deciding.
> >>>
> >>> Traci
> >>>
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Re: to know our Hard disc Health from time to time.

[dan d.]

A hard drive's health can be checked in diskutil either in terminal, my choice, 
or in the desktop. I will provide the terminal version first
and the desktop version in a web url below. .  Following the terminal result is 
a statement of whaat the result means.

There is a diskutil command in terminal which checks the health of the hard 
drive. Copy this command and paste it into germinal, hit return:

diskutil info disk0 | grep SMART

If all is ok, voiceover willl say:

  SMART Status: Verified

Here from the web page below is what that means:

"SMART stands for Self Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology, and it's a 
way for a drive to report its health or problems to macOS.
   SMART status reports if a drive is failing and can tell you when there's a 
severe problem with the disk hardware"

https://blog.macsales.com/45024-here-is-how-to-check-smart-status-of-your-mac-drives/

On Fri, 8 May 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Most of the time, HD health is not really ???testable???.  When something 
> fails, it just does.  If a block or sector becomes damaged in some manner, 
> there???s not really a method by which you can say that it is getting close 
> to becoming damaged.  There are some signs you can note that tell you that 
> the drive is either terribly fragmented, or maybe that there is problems 
> somewhere on the disk.  These indicators are things like access speed is 
> getting rather slow, or access to one or more files gives you errors.  the 
> best, or most reliable way, to fix these errors is, in my opinion, to copy 
> the files over to another drive.  As the files move over to the second drive, 
> they are all brought back together and placed on the new drive in an 
> efficient and methodical manner.  Once the copy is complete, you can format 
> the first drive.  The reformat will clean things up nicely and will also tell 
> you if the it has any errors.  There are more secure, or detailed, methods by 
> which you can perform this wipe which would give you more information.  A 
> regular erase does not actually erase the entire HD, but you can ???zero??? 
> everything which would send the print head over the entire drive, thus giving 
> a good indication of whether or not errors are detected.  Yes, there may be 
> other tools out there, but I don???t believe that any are really necessary 
> for the vast majority of situations.
>
> Just my opinion, of course.
>
> Later???
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> > On May 8, 2020, at 9:49 AM, ???Ramy Moustafa Saber  ?? 
> > ???  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I need to know if there is a better way to know my HD Health from time to 
> > time?
> > AM using the 1st aid, is it good? or i need a strong app more than that to 
> > tell us the health of the HD before anything can happen?
> >
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Speak the url of current page

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When on a link; vo+u, some newer versions adds shift,  will speak the url of 
that link, which the copy lastt phrase command can captre for pasting.

How does one know the url of the current page with vo?
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Re: Very Strange security problems appeared

[dan d.]

Do a virus/malware scan if you have such software
.  Otherwise do a google with multiple results  using:

os10 free virus scan
On Thu, 7 May 2020, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

>  Still waiting any ideas
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 6, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa Saber  ?? 
> >   wrote:
> >
> > ???so, what is the solution?
> >
> >
> >> On May 6, 2020, at 6:43 PM, dan d.  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I would venture a guess that clicking on the first message downloaded a 
> >> malware item, maybe a web tracker.
> >> The safari security on the mac is finding it and sending the message you 
> >> mention.
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 6 May 2020, Ramy Moustafa Saber  ??  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all:
> >>>
> >>> From about 2 weeks, i start Receiving strange notifications on My Iphone 
> >>> and Mac,
> >>> on Iphone , i got a screen like:
> >>> The identity of Google.com <http://google.com/> can not be verified, and 
> >>> it asked me to press cancel or details, and when i press details, i found 
> >>> another details, then a certificate details, and that is it,
> >>> I got this screen for google, outlook 365, freedomscientific, and more. 
> >>> what is it?
> >>> On mac, when visiting a site from safari, i got a message:
> >>> THis site is tried to steal your information, and this browsing is not 
> >>> private, it did not allow  me to visit this site,
> >>> Am afraid is someone is tring to steal my data or what?
> >>> THnaks
> >>>
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Re: Very Strange security problems appeared

[dan d.]

I would venture a guess that clicking on the first message downloaded a malware 
item, maybe a web tracker.
The safari security on the mac is finding it and sending the message you 
mention.

On Wed, 6 May 2020, Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> From about 2 weeks, i start Receiving strange notifications on My Iphone and 
> Mac,
> on Iphone , i got a screen like:
> The identity of Google.com  can not be verified, and it 
> asked me to press cancel or details, and when i press details, i found 
> another details, then a certificate details, and that is it,
> I got this screen for google, outlook 365, freedomscientific, and more. what 
> is it?
> On mac, when visiting a site from safari, i got a message:
> THis site is tried to steal your information, and this browsing is not 
> private, it did not allow  me to visit this site,
> Am afraid is someone is tring to steal my data or what?
> THnaks
>
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Re: Learning Terminal

[dan d.]

When in terminal make sure to set interact with text.  If there are multiple 
ommand output lines one can use vo+up and down keyss to
review the output line by line.  Vo+a will read from cursor down.

Many commands are shortened versions,ie. cp for copy, mv for move and so forth. 
 Often using a commmand with a -h or --help following a
command using a space after the command; will provide useful info as to 
controling what the command does.  For example; cp -h will show the
various forms of action the copy command will do.

This web page can be a useful resource to discover what commands exist and what 
they do.  For example the link for the cp command has this:

cpCopy one or more files to another location

Choosing that link provides detailed info for the command.

An A-Z Index of the Apple macOS command line

https://ss64.com/osx/

On Sun, 3 May 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Thanks so much for this info, Janina. I???m not sure if anyone has mentioned 
> this or not, but when you get into commands that do more than simple, one 
> line responses, you???ll probably find that VoiceOver??? Just doesn???t do so 
> well in the Terminal. Then, you may want to check  out TDSR, the terminal 
> screen reader.
>
> https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr 
>
> If you become interested in other Linux accessibility stuff as well, you 
> could look into Emacs, and Emacspeak. I???ve done a guide on getting those 
> set up:
>
> https://gist.github.com/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043 
> 
>
> Homebrew, from:
>
> https://brew.sh 
>
> Will give you access to many more packages (programs) for the Terminal, and 
> you can use the ???brew cask??? commands to install even Mac apps, like 
> Google Chrome or Github Desktop, if you ever get into that.
>
> I know, a lot of these are resources that you may use when you???re more 
> comfortable with the basics, but I figured I???d give them out now, so you 
> have a path to follow when you???re done getting started.
>
> Journey before Destination! :)
>
> > On May 3, 2020, at 12:49 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about the particular podcast or the book that was suggested
> > by others. I'd suggest checking out those resources, though. Any
> > starting point should help.
> >
> > I do have some more generic advice that will serve you forever, because
> > you'll never learn everything there is to know about the Terminal. No
> > one does.
> >
> > So, the question quickly becomes: "How do I do X?"
> >
> > For that on line searches are very useful. I frequently open a Google
> > search and put in +osx to get Apple specific results for the remainder
> > of my querry.
> >
> > If I get too many point and click results, I go back to my search and
> > add +cli to my querry. I rarely need go any further for finding Terminal
> > oriented help on whatever the particular task.
> >
> > I should also note that Terminal now defaults to the Z Shell. Therefore,
> > any resource you can find about zsh is likely to be helpful, even if
> > it's about zsh on Linux. Now, there's a lot of colorization available in
> > zsh commands. Just skip all that stuff irrelevant to you.
> >
> > Lastly, you should know about the man command. This is shorhand for
> > manual. An example of how to use this command might be having the
> > Terminal tell you all the ways you can use the cp command:
> >
> > man cp
> >
> > You will never outgrow your need for the man command.
> >
> > Writing all this reminds me of one of my favorite life experiences, when
> > first I learned to use Unix command lines. Those where the early days of
> > on line shell access that we accessed vial dialup modem. I was familiar
> > with menu driven systems like Compuserve and Delphi, but Netcom, when I
> > logged in prompted only:
> >
> > [netcom]$
> >
> > This I knew from nothing what to do. Where was my menu?
> >
> > So, I called Netcom. just by chance I got Bob Reager the founder on the
> > phone--yes, those were different days.
> >
> > So, I started my conversation with Bob, "What do I do?"
> >
> > Bob said: "We sent you a manual."
> >
> > I said: "I'm blind, can't read it."
> >
> > Bob said: "Oh wow! Do you know the man command and maybe the rn
> > command?"
> >
> > I said: "No, never heard of them?"
> >
> > Bob said: "OK, just type man man and maybe also man man -k. Then you can
> > also just type rn and press enter."
> >
> > I said: "cool, if I get stuck, may I call you for more direction?"
> >
> > Bob said: "Yes, as long as you don't abuse it, you may call me."
> >
> > Guess what? I never called him again.
> >
> > rn is dead. It was a usenet news reader, and usenet has died. Instead we
> > have this and similar email list groups (not so available 30 years ago).
> >
> > But, I love that those two commands took me everywhere from that point.
> > And, yes, I still use man all the 

Re: File recovery

[dan d.]

If it doesn't mount; what good any recovery software?
If you have experience with the terminal it is sometimes possible to force an 
external drive mount.
If you don't know terminal, find someone who does.  Might this be a question 
for apple disability with them using a remote hookup to view your
machine so they can talk you through the terminal mount process?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, Ian Harrison wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need to recover files from an external hard drive that won???t mount any 
> more. Do you have any suggestions for one with Catalina in mind.
>
> There is one called Disk Drill that gets good ratings on the appstore, but 
> the developer says it is not really voice over accessible.
>
> with thanks
> Ian
>
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Enabling trim on a 3rd party ssd

[dan d.]

ws


Recently I replaced a failed hard drive with a ssd.

A ssd can have max storage performance and usable life enhanced by setting trim.
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Starting with os10.10.4 a terminal utility called trimforce is included to do 
the job for a third party ssd  such as mine.

An original mac ssd already has trim set.  A third party sssd comes with it 
disabled.

Not all ssd models can set trim.
A google by model  designation should provide the info for any ssd one might 
have or are thinking about getting.

In terminal  do trimforce help for info about how to enable trim, it's very 
easy to use.

I suggest you consult apple disability if you have any doubts or questions or 
need help with the utility.

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Re: How to unmute accidentally muted VoiceOver?

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Onn a fullsize keyboard there is a mute key that toggles all sound on and off.
It is f10 on mykeyboard, or the third key to the left of the eject key on the 
top row.
The eject key is the one at the top far right corner of the main keyboard.

Note, system preferences can set the fuction keys to act like f keys or an 
alternative set of functions, my setting is the lattter.
If the function key alternative is set, holding the fn key while selecting the 
mute key will also work.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello,
> I use VoiceOver on my iMac running the latest Catalina.
> Occasionally I do something which results in VoiceOver speech muted. How can 
> I easily unmute VoiceOver without asking for sighted help?
> Stopping and restarting VoiceOver with Command+F5 does not help. VoiceOver 
> just restarts with speech off!
> I note that on my iPhone I can do a 3 finger double tap to toggle speech on 
> and off. It would be great if there were a iMac keyboard command to do this.
> Many thanks ??? Paul Hopewell
>
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Re: Mac Mini Now Here

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Your home account name is found in the users folder.  Rename it as you desire, 
your password will not change.
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Thanks for the pointer, Andrew. I was there before, but didn't realize I
> needed to adjust the browser to show applications. It doesn't default to
> applications, and I missed that one thing.
>
> Got it now!
>
> However, here's a somewhat bigger concern. The setup wizzard
> concatinated my name to create the user account. Perhaps there was a
> screen where I could have changed that, but I blithely powered through
> it.
>
> Now I need to undo that. It does matter because it complicates ssh and
> similar cross machine activity.
>
> Can I change my login name, and have it rename my default user folder
> plus whatever else it databases on that identity?
>
> Or should I create a new account the way I want it, assign admin to it
> and then delete the old account I don't want?
>
> Not sure which is best path forward here.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Janina,
> >
> > If you go to system preferences and users, and choose logging options, one 
> > of the choices is to enable voiceover on login screen.  This should solve 
> > your problem of not having speech when logging in.
> >
> > By the way, I hadn???t responded to your last message when discussing OT 
> > Linux because I couldn???t identify your off-list email address anywhere 
> > and of course I didn???t want to continue on list.
> >
> > Good luck with your mini.
> >
> > Andrew
> > > On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:11, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > And, she's on line on my LAN slowly getting configured for service. BTW:
> > > Her name is cantata, cantata.rednote.net. look her up! 
> > >
> > > It's not surprising, but still somewhat annoying all the things I've
> > > forgotten about configuring the OS X environment to my liking. I've
> > > forgotten, of course, because I've only done it once before in my life,
> > > about six years ago. I'm referring to the kinds of tasks you do once and
> > > not again until you get your next machine.
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm stuck on one in particular at the moment that's driving me
> > > crazy. I like my apps (and files) in list mode, alphabetized. List is
> > > checked, but I seem to be actually getting columns, i.e. moving down
> > > arrow jumbles the alphabet.
> > >
> > > Not quite as annoying, but still a nuisance every time I have to reboot
> > > for some reason is that I haven't succeeded making Voice Over on by
> > > default at login. I have to do the Command+F5 thing every time. Of
> > > course, I'm now rebooting less and less, but this is still an annoyance.
> > >
> > > All else is slowly getting there. All the help on this list was very
> > > helpful indeed. A few notes:
> > >
> > > The Mini did not come up talking, perhaps because I'd utilized the
> > > headphone jack with a cable to my desktop Mackie 1202 audio mixer?
> > > Whatever the reason, I had to manually do Commend+F5 to get the offer of
> > > Voice Over tutorial, and then the default setup process.
> > > The magic keyboard and magic mouse were identified without issue, except
> > > that the Mini complains if I turn the mouse off. I'd like it not to
> > > complain if it can't find a mouse. Sheesh!
> > >
> > > The Mini seems to have no issue identifying and using my Alexa enabled
> > > 2019 vintage Insignia TV as a monitor. I gave it the last of my 3 hdmi
> > > ports. We'll see whether it complains when I switch away from that
> > > port--haven't done that yet in the office, but I typically have this TV
> > > muted, but on a news channel that I can quickly unmute with its remote
> > > control.
> > >
> > > Unplugging the headphone does NOT auto switch to the builtin speaker. I
> > > wish it could. If I go to Sound under System Preferences, I can enable
> > > the builtin speaker and I would agree it's good enough for Voice Over,
> > > but not for music--as previously debated when I asked here.
> > >
> > > Oh, and miracle of miracles, I was able to restore the boot chime as
> > > posted on this list a little while ago!
> > >
> > > sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
> > >
> > > So far, not too bad, actually. I've yet to see the power of this machine
> > > in action, but I didn't expect that just yet in the process.
> > >
> > > Thanks again to everyone who encouraged and provided tips. You're the
> > > best!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad Snyder writes:
> > >> Janina,
> > >>
> > >> The Mac mini???s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should 
> > >> have no trouble finding it.
> > >>
> > >> I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a 
> > >> newer version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size 
> > >> bluetooth keyboards.
> > >> The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
> > >> exceptions:
> > >> 1.  The Fn key is 

Re: Stopp ads loading

[dan d.]

Instead of editing the hosts file with individual items,the easeyer way is to 
replace the existing hosts file.
These replacement hosts files can be foun on the net in which new objectional 
ip addresses are added as discovered.
I first found this method to avoid the irking youtube ads.  It has been years 
now since I have encounterered an ad anywhere.

Here is one source which is constantly updated:

http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt

Download that text hosts.txt file renaming it simply hosts.
In the root folder etc rename the existing hosts file; in case you want to go 
back to it later.
Place the new host file in the etc folder.  When next you restart it will be 
loaded and ads will disappear.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Dan:
>
> You didn't explain the rest of it. Let me try for those who don't know
> what Dan is talking about.
>
> There's a simple ASCII text file on the Mac, and pretty much on every
> other OS that supports Internet access at /etc/hosts.
>
> This is the oldest, the very first implementation of how to find other
> machines on the Internet. In the very early days of Internet
> development, the small community of people using arpanet would share
> this file among themselves. It's used to tell the machine where to find
> another machine, like when you want to find google.com or apple.com,
> what it's Internet address is.
>
> Well, understandably this became unmaintainable even quithe early on, so
> the domain name system (DNS) was invented. DNS is a simple lookup table,
> basically speaking, that's billions and billions of rows long. That's
> perhaps not quite how it works in fact today, but the analogy holds. All
> it does is associate names like apple.com with an Internet address. Yes,
> today it's more than two addresses at least for many hosts because a
> host can have multiple addresses, and because we have to accomodate
> IPv6, but I think the concept provides an accurate picture of what's
> going on.
>
> DNS is a lookup thingie. Have the name of an Internet host like
> apple.com? DNS will supply you the Internet address expressed in
> structured numbers that a computer can actually use to connect you.
>
> Have one of those structured numerical addresses and want to know what
> host belongs to that address? DNS can answer that query.
>
> So, now that DNS, and it's predescor /etc/hosts is explained, what Dan
> is suggesting is to put the offending machine names in that file, one
> per line.
>
> Then, the magic part  You "resolve" each to localhost. Since DNS
> looks in /etc/hosts first, for historic reasons as explained above,
> it'll find it's answer and fail to deliver the ad, because it was told
> that the machine was your local machine.
>
> Example:
>
> bad.host 127.0.0.1
> downright.evil.host 127.0.0.1
>
> It's rather clunky to maintain this approach, but it is by far the most
> effective!
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
> dan d. writes:
> >
> > Even better is to replace or edit the "hosts" file on the mac.
> > This is used by modern operating systems for connecting to the internet.  
> > It will block sites also including ads and other undesirable urls.
> >
> > A google for "os10 hosts" will get many results.
> >
> > On Thu, 2 Apr 2020, David The Computer Guy wrote:
> >
> > > Ever heard of the application/extension called ad block+? That is what I 
> > > use on my system including Safari.
> > >
> > > Sent from David The Computer Guy
> > > 707 759 7586
> > >
> > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ???Hi!
> > > > There isn???t but you could use adblockers for safari.
> > > > /A
> > > >
> > > >> 2 apr. 2020 kl. 20:05 skrev Jessica Moss :
> > > >>
> > > >> Is this available for IOS as well?  That???s actually where I see the 
> > > >> worst of it, due to these ads constantly refreshing, and as it???s 
> > > >> loading, it disrupts VoiceOver from speaking, but the sound for the ad 
> > > >> is muted, so I just happened to have found out by accident one morning 
> > > >> that an ad was loading on a recipe site I was trying to view, 
> > > >> VoiceOver said ???ad loading??? then VoiceOver went crazy until the ad 
> > > >> was finished.
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi!
> > > >>> There???s a setting to stop li

Re: Stopp ads loading

[dan d.]

Even better is to replace or edit the "hosts" file on the mac.
This is used by modern operating systems for connecting to the internet.  It 
will block sites also including ads and other undesirable urls.

A google for "os10 hosts" will get many results.

On Thu, 2 Apr 2020, David The Computer Guy wrote:

> Ever heard of the application/extension called ad block+? That is what I use 
> on my system including Safari.
>
> Sent from David The Computer Guy
> 707 759 7586
>
> > On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >
> > ???Hi!
> > There isn???t but you could use adblockers for safari.
> > /A
> >
> >> 2 apr. 2020 kl. 20:05 skrev Jessica Moss :
> >>
> >> Is this available for IOS as well?  That???s actually where I see the 
> >> worst of it, due to these ads constantly refreshing, and as it???s 
> >> loading, it disrupts VoiceOver from speaking, but the sound for the ad is 
> >> muted, so I just happened to have found out by accident one morning that 
> >> an ad was loading on a recipe site I was trying to view, VoiceOver said 
> >> ???ad loading??? then VoiceOver went crazy until the ad was finished.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:30 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi!
> >>> There???s a setting to stop live regions to update in VoiceOver utility 
> >>> in the web tab.
> >>> /A
> >>>
>  1 apr. 2020 kl. 19:49 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
>  Just realized you may be using an iPad.
>  To invoke Reader View on and iPad or other iOS device, locate the Format 
>  Options button, somewhere along the top of the display, and double tap 
>  and hold.  This should invoke Reader View for the current webpage.
> 
>  Sorry if my instructions are vague.  I not only don???t use my iPad 
>  everyday, but I have not made the upgrade to iPadOS on my iPad Pro.
> 
>  HTH
> 
>  - Brad -
> 
> 
>  On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:42, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
>  Try invoking Reader View, using CMD + SHIFT + R.
>  This may not work on all websites, but it is worth a try to see if it 
>  will work on this one.
> 
>  HTH
> 
>  - Brad -
> 
> 
>  On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:18, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
> 
>  I want to read this article from Macworld, but Voiceover's focus keeps 
>  getting dragged away by the Relentless ads.
> 
>  Is there something I can do?
> 
>  https://www.macworld.com/article/2018990/mac-buying-guide.html
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Traci
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPad
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Where is icloud in terminal

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I'm interested to find where in terminal the icloud folder can be found.
The answers on the web did not find it in terminal.

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Re: Mac Mini Builtin Speaker

[dan d.]

It is quite good for the voice range and music is like with a small radio.
If you want it for fuller music sound the mini jack allows an external speaker 
or the blutooth for a compatible speaker.


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> Hi All:
>
> Wondering whether anyone here has experience of the newer, 2018
> generation Mac Mini. I'm particularly interested in the builtin speaker.
> Is it adequate for Voice Over use? Is the volume and sound quality
> adequate for TTS? Where is the speaker located on the unit physically?
>
> Thanks in advance for any guidance. I'm contemplating placing an order
> for one of these loaded to the gills.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
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Re: Accessible Terminal

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Try it, it works in the bash shell in termimal.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020, Nebojsa Tasic wrote:

>
> I use Terminal for running a PHP framework. I'm pleased how it works now.
>
> The only thing, on Windows, using up arrow,?? I can select previous used
> commands and don't have to type them again. Is it possible on Mac?
>
>
> On 22.2.2020. 20:49, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > If you find the terminal sufficiently accessible with VoiceOver, then
> > obviously you don???t need to do anything further. In my experience, the
> > terminal is usable in Catalina with VoiceOver. However, I wouldn???t
> > wish to use it for running text editors or other interactive
> > applications a lot, as it???s rather awkward. To do that, I would much
> > rather run Linux and use the console directly (and, fortunately, my
> > other laptop has Linux installed in a dual-boot configuration).
> >
> > *From: * on behalf of Nebojsa Tasic
> > 
> > *Reply-To: *
> > *Date: *Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 11:01
> > *To: *
> > *Subject: *Re: Accessible Terminal
> >
> > I installed Homebrew in order to prepare environment for TDSR. During
> > instalation I noticed that I can read in Terminal line by line and
> > word by word. Does that mean that Terminal became accessible in
> > Catalina? Maybe I will not need to install TDSR.
> >
> > On 18.2.2020. 22:55, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I???ll add links:
> >
> > TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
> >
> > Emacs: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
> >
> > Emacspeak: https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak
> >
> > A guide (contributions welcome), on installing Emacs and Emacspeak
> > on the Mac and working with it:
> > https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Karen Lewellen
> > mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > devin,
> > Do you mind adding a link to the tdsr program for the sake of
> > our list archive?
> > Kare
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> >
> > Emacs with Emacspeak provides a great text editor, along
> > with a shell that I think is somewhat usable, its main
> > advantage being, to me, that unlike most terminals, Emas???
> > Shell allows one to read not just a page of output, but
> > entire history. Something like TDSR with Screen, the shell
> > command, may allow this as well, but gosh being able to
> > search the history is great. TDSR, though, is the best
> > terminal screen reader on Mac for more interactive
> > commands, or things like SSH, Tintin, and other such
> > connectors to remote services.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Nebojsa Tasic
> > mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Devin!
> >
> >
> > Is Emacs with Emacspeak the tool that can replace
> > Voice Over?
> >
> >
> > On 13.2.2020. 16:40, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries
> > wrote:
> >
> > Try TDSR: https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr
> >
> > If you want a more complete workspace, try Emacs
> > with Emacspeak:
> > 
> > https://gist.github.com/devinprater/a794a448ccc46e72fca63c932105c043
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:02 AM, Nebojsa Tasic
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> >
> > Could you recommend me a program or add-on for
> > more accessible work in Terminal?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
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Re: How to stop voiceover from announcing dropbox notifications?

[dan d.]

In system preferences there is a notification category, there are checkmarks to 
silence notifications.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is driving me spare!  I???m uploading loads of stuff to dropbox, 
> including backing up my home folder.  Voiceover keeps announcing file names 
> being uploaded or downloaded interrupting whatever I???m trying to read.  
> This is crazy because in Notification I have turned all notifications to 
> dropbox to ???none???.  Since it didn???t solve the problem, I went to 
> dropbox preferences and snoozed notifications for a day too.  But Voiceover 
> is still reading the notifications.   Is there a way of dealing with this?
>
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Re: resetting password

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When in terminal use the passwd command and follow the prompts.

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020, wayne coles wrote:

> hello list i have a problem i asked before and got a answer but i have
> lost the email so i need it resent if possible so i need to know how to
> get to the terminal from a shut down state and i know when i get there i
> have to type resetpassword is that right but i am not sure if it is
> command r to get there and what to do when i find it so any help please
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Memory history managment

[dan d.]

The memory history is over ridden each time a new copy to the clipboard is done.

It is very useful to be able to choose one or more items from previous 
clipboard items to paste.

I use a memory manager which retains a list of cllipboard history items for 
reuse at will.

One arrows to the item desired, choosing it   is pasted at the current cursor 
position.

It can be configured for various appearance and functions.

For example, one is for it to be launched at bootup.

It can retain one word or an entire page of text or all text using the copy all 
command..
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It appears as a menu extra and is chosen as any item located there.

As an example of use,here is the app store info, I created it by choosing the 
app name and url from the clipboard history list of previous
copies. for each line:

Flycut (Clipboard manager) on the Mac App Store
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Re: Resoreing dock.

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Did you do a reboot?  The dock info is read each time as part of it.
On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> OK, I took the plunge and went to preferences then started up TimeMachine and 
> found a version from before the re-boot that messed up my dock. I then did a 
> restore and did a ps -ef | grep doc and found that Process 733 and 734 were 
> related to my dock. Killed those off and saw new processes for the dock but 
> my dock remained the same, so I just did everything manually.
> Oh well.
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Technically, I guess you could The Dock related files that organize it are 
> > within your user account, Library, Preferences.  If you went into Time 
> > Machine, into your Home directory, Library, Preferences and located the 
> > com.apple.Dock.plist and restored it, you might have luck.  I don't believe 
> > that you should need to mess with any other of the Dock files within there.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:59, Jonathan Cohn  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Can I use TimeMachine to restore my Dock to a former state? IT pushed a 
> > change that reset my dock.  I know one can restore files but I haven???t 
> > paid attention to configurations with TimeMachine.
> > Thanks!
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Re: Viewing PDF files on Mac OS Catalina

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My guess, there are settings in system preferences to control to what degree 
non-apple apps can be downloaded.
Or, you have installed an anti-virus application where some preference setting 
is the cause.
I hear other mac users speak of using it, including on this list.

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Greg Wocher wrote:

> Hello,
> I tried installing Skim and I can???t get my mac to let me open it. My mac  
> keeps telling me it cannot scan it for viruses.
>
> Greg Wocher
>
> > On Nov 6, 2019, at 12:05 PM, dan d.  wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is an open source pdf viewer for os10.  It is free, small and fast- 
> > skim.  I have no experience using it for the original poster's purposes.
> >
> > https://skim-app.sourceforge.io/
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Dave Carlson wrote:
> >
> >> For free, likely not. Prizmo, Fine Reader, and Docuscan in order of lower 
> >> to higher price. Might be some online versions you can use for free, but 
> >> have not investigated.
> >>
> >> Dave Carlson
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Re: Viewing PDF files on Mac OS Catalina

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This is an open source pdf viewer for os10.  It is free, small and fast- skim.  
I have no experience using it for the original poster's purposes.

https://skim-app.sourceforge.io/

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Dave Carlson wrote:

> For free, likely not. Prizmo, Fine Reader, and Docuscan in order of lower to 
> higher price. Might be some online versions you can use for free, but have 
> not investigated.
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Apple's Destructive MacOS Catalina Update Betrays Trust In Your Broken MacBook Pro

[dan d.]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2019/10/15/apple-macos-catalina-mac-imac-macbook-pro-32bit-support-microsoft-office-broken-update/

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Why macOS Catalina is breaking so many apps, and what to do about it

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https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update

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How to use Google Maps Detailed Voice Guidance

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Yesterday, we wrote about how Google is adding a new visual accessibility tool 
to Chrome. In honor of World Sight Day, Google continues to
   champion tech accessibility with its latest addition to Google Maps: a 
"Detailed Voice Guidance" feature that makes it easier for the blind
   and visually impaired to navigate on foot. Here's how it works and how to 
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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

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I cann't stand alex either,

I use tom because it is to my ear more crisp and succinct and having fewer 
distracting artifacts of trying to make it sound like a person.

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Dave,
>
> I presume you???ve tried all the other English-language voices available to 
> download from Apple? I can???t stand Alex but I use good old Fred most of the 
> time. I also use Fiona as my system voice.
> In English, we have a huge choice of voices. I???m much more limited when it 
> comes to French voices but Thomas suits me fine.
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
> > On 15 Sep 2019, at 06:35, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> >
> > Wow! These voices are extremely good. The children???s voices are so 
> > realistic, but I don???t think I???d want to have one for all the time. 
> > Thanks for passing this along.
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Re: Still Need Help with Negative Numbers

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Sometimes such things are voice dependent quirks.  Use the voice roter to pick 
a temp voice or two.

Otherwise, try a more positive attitude.
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> Yes, Mine has been set to ???some??? and Also to ???All???. Still no joy.
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Re: voice control

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It is already there, both voice control of functions and dictation of text.  
There is much web info available, here is an example:

Use Dictation Commands to tell your Mac what to do - Apple Support

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203085

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

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>
> I am also eagerly waiting to see voice control feature. I get pain in my 
> hands when I do typing. It will be great to have voice control with voiceover 
> support.
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Re: dragon dictate for Mac replacement?

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The native mac dictation is derived from it.

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, Trahern Culver wrote:

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> hi everyone, I hope your well. I'm currently running high Sierra in uni I
> used to use dragon dictate but I've heard that nuance has pretty much
> abandoned dragon dictate on Mac so whats a good replacement for dragon
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Re: numpad commander doubts

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Most navigation commmands involving vo access are among those to be chosen when 
constructing a commander of any kind.

The numpad commandders are different only because they use the option+keys on 
the numpad;
 which the computer sees differently then the same key combinations  on the 
main keyboard.

If a commander evokes n apple script, it can perform complex functions of all 
kinds to duplicate keyboard inputs or sequences of them.

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> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have begun using the numpad commandder. However, I haven???t figured out 
> how I could make use of it while navigating text on pages. Otherwise, are 
> there easy keyboard commands to navigate text. I like to perform navigation 
> commands such as previous sentence and the like with less strain.
>
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> I will be grateful for a help.
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> Warmly,
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Re: Numpad commanderr

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A commander using numbers different from those on the main keyboard can be 
established with those on the numpad.

For an example, a commander using an option+ 3 on the main keyboard and an 
option + 3 on the numpad would do different things.

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>
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> I never understood what is the numpad commander? I will be grateful for a 
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Re: Speed test website

[dan d.]

With the terminal version, speedtest-cli, the destination server and more can 
be configured.
On Wed, 4 Sep 2019, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> I didn???t see any option to set the target server,
>
> But that would explain why the ping is so high.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On 4/09/2019, at 1:36 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Simon,
>
> Check where your test is going.  If the server is in NZ, then, yes you might 
> be slower than it should be.  If the server is off in Auzzy-land, then it has 
> to go a bottle neck to get there.
>
> Later...
>
>
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> On Sep 2, 2019, at 21:54, Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
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> Well that???s a shock to the system,
>
>   I go  back on what I said to you Dave and Petrus,
>
> Tim I???m guessing it???s a problem with nz???s fibre seeing my download is 
> 72.000
> And upload is 86.32
> And after checking a couple of times to be sure,
> That is Mega bits.
>
> I pay for speeds that should be 10 times faster,
> Petrus I think we should complain
>
> Dave, I???d check with yor provider
>
> From: Petrus Tuerlings mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2019 3:33 PM
> To: Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
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> Here it is.
> www.speedtest.net.
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Speed Test Results

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For use in terminal; macports and homebrew have speedtest-cli which is a text 
only version of the speedtest.net results.

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Re: Copying text from a web site

[dan d.]

How is this different in function then the vo+return at start and end of 
desired text to select it ?

A cmd+c will copy it for use elsewhere.
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Leo,
>
> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
> you do the following:
> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
> >
>
> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
> navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
> text in between wil be selected.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> > On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> > basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
> > copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
> > addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in 
> > a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is the 
> > basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this probably 
> > cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >Leo.
> > On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
> >> Hi Leo,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the clarification.
> >>
> >> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
> >> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
> >> until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet 
> >> spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an 
> >> answer.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >> Hem.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>   
> >>  On Behalf Of Leo
> >> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> 
> >> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
> >>
> >> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
> >> Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you 
> >> can errow to select as much as you want.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>Leo.
> >> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
> >> Dear Jonathan,
> >>
> >> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
> >> Kindly let me know.
> >>
> >> Hem.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>   
> >>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> >> Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> 
> >> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
> >>
> >> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics 
> >> or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not 
> >> work.
> >>
> >> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
> >> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
> >> 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
> >> dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
> >> selecting.
> >>
> >> Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
> >> about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >> I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
> >> Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following 
> >> these steps:
> >> First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
> >> through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the 
> >> selection, and
> >> I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
> >> between  mark place and current position of the cursor."
> >> Can this be done somehow with voice over?
> >> If someone had information about it, it would be great!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>Leo.
> >>
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