Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Les, it’s very kind of you to spend time to write.  I will check it 
out. 

Andrew ß

> On 6 Apr 2024, at 17:11, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi again, Andrew,
> 
> I have another suggestion for you. I believe Mystic access may have done a 
> tutorial while a while back on using the Apple TV. I think they also covered 
> it using the remote. So you may wish to check that out. Good luck.
> Les.
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 12:07 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Andrew, while I use the remote on occasion, when I have to use it, I find 
>> the best way to use Apple TV is with a Bluetooth keyboard. I really think 
>> that’s your best bet. If you have a Bluetooth keyboard around, you might try 
>> and parrot and see if you can use it that way. I think he’ll have a much 
>> better experience.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2024, at 8:36 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sincere thanks to everyone who responded.  I shall examine all of this 
>>> carefully.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Apr 2024, at 10:23, SBR Gmail >>> <mailto:sreeb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. 
>>>> https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyP
>>>> Sree
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really 
>>>>> hard to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am 
>>>>> distraught to say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it 
>>>>> works.  Is there a tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might 
>>>>> help you how to make use of its features without throwing it out of the 
>>>>> window?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any suggestions would be welcome
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon 
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Re: Apple TV 4th generation woes

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Sincere thanks to everyone who responded.  I shall examine all of this 
carefully.



> On 6 Apr 2024, at 10:23, SBR Gmail  wrote:
> 
> Hello, we did a presentation on this. Hope it helps. 
> https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyP 
> <https://youtu.be/Njb7ZPLH5y8?si=ifyu1olBXih4NRyP>
> Sree
> 
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 8:40 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really 
>> hard to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am distraught 
>> to say that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it works.  Is there 
>> a tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might help you how to make 
>> use of its features without throwing it out of the window?
>> 
>> Any suggestions would be welcome
>> 
>> Simon 
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Apple TV 4th generation woes

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,

I’ve upgraded my Apple tv from 3rd to 4th generation.  I’ve tried really hard 
to understand how to work it with the remote provided.  I am distraught to say 
that I’m just not udnerstanding understanding how it works.  Is there a 
tutorial from Voiceover user perspective that might help you how to make use of 
its features without throwing it out of the window?

Any suggestions would be welcome

Simon 

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Re: Passkeys and how to use them with voiceover

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At which point do you get the prompt to use touch ID?  One of my macs has got 
touch ID but another is quite old and hasn’t got one.  How would passkey work 
on such a machine?



> On 31 Mar 2024, at 22:22, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 31/3/24 15:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I’m trying to use passkeys as a more secure method to sign into various 
>> services like Microsoft, Google, and passkeys enabled websites.  I’ve 
>> tried this with Google accounts but I’m not being successful in using 
>> them.  Has anyone on the list has used passkeys and if yes, how does it 
>> work with voiceover?
> I've used them on the Mac, and I didn't encounter any accessibility issues. 
> The prompt to use Touch ID to authenticate with the passkey was fully 
> accessible when I last used it.
> 
> This was in Safari under Sonoma.
> 
> Nor do I recall any issues with passkey creation.
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Passkeys and how to use them with voiceover

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Hello,

I’m trying to use passkeys as a more secure method to sign into various 
services like Microsoft, Google, and passkeys enabled websites.  I’ve tried 
this with Google accounts but I’m not being successful in using them.  Has 
anyone on the list has used passkeys and if yes, how does it work with 
voiceover?  I use both icloud keychain as well as 1password as password 
managers.  I’ve searched and learnt a lot on the internet on how this is 
supposed to work but I’m still unable to use the passkey I’ve created.  I’m not 
finding the info whether a given passkey is to be used on the device via which 
it’s been created or whether it can be used on all the other devices signed 
into the same account.  This is so frustrating.

Simon

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Re: Fastmail Issue

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When I installed fastmail app on my iphone, I found a link in the app 
“applications setings and guides” or something similar.  I tapped it and 
started reading through the various instructions and guides. One of them was on 
how to set up fastmail for iphone.  It’s there I found the link to download 
profile, which once installed generated the right password for fastmail.

Good luck

Andrew 

> On 13 Oct 2023, at 02:58, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>  I created the password. How would I do this QR code? Am assuming the 
> profile is good to go, right?  The iPad is having the same problem.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 10/12/2023 6:47 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Did you use the QR code to download the profile and let it set it up that 
>> way; or did you generate an app specific password as you did for your 
>> computer?
>> It seems to prefer the set up using the qr code and profile download on the 
>> phone. At least that's what's always worked here.
>> Take good care,
>> Robin
>> On 10/12/2023 7:48 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Decided to go with fastmail. Added my new account to Thunderbird on 
>>> Windows, works fine.
>>> 
>>>Not on the iPhone. the IMAP/SMTP settings are good. But the first error 
>>> was something like "password authentication is not supported". Both IMAP 
>>> and SMTP have my password entered. Is this correct? If now, what should I 
>>> check? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>  -Helen Keller
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: Fastmail Issue

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I followed Fastmail instructions to setup on my iphone by downloading profile 
as instructed in the app itself. Once the profile is downloaded, in settings 
there’s a new button that says “install profile” which you tap and the job is 
done.

Andrew

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>   Decided to go with fastmail. Added my new account to Thunderbird on 
> Windows, works fine.
> 
>   Not on the iPhone. the IMAP/SMTP settings are good. But the first error was 
> something like "password authentication is not supported". Both IMAP and SMTP 
> have my password entered. Is this correct? If now, what should I check? 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

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In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or 
link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath 
the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the beginning of 
the newsletter again.  Even when I route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem 
to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using arrow keys.

Andrew

> On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the 
> Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your 
> problems here.
> I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft 
> Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some 
> cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying 
> aspect. 
> Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
> 
> I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and 
> even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably 
> navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not 
> impossible task in Apple mail.
>  
> Andrew
> 
> 
> On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown  <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
> use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
> with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
> like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
> can just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and a
> couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.
> 
> On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
> performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
> 
> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the
> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
> duration.
> 
> For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO.
> You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.
> 
> Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to
> get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.
> 
> The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS.
> I hope they fix it soon.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared
> to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously
> consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
> I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari
> is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.
> 
> So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac
> does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a
> coin on the decision.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  <mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
> 
> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot
> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
> 
> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about
> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder,
> should I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to
> spend $900 on a MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
> 
> What are your guises thoughts?
> 
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and 
even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably 
navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not 
impossible task in Apple mail.

Andrew

> On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
> use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
> with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
> like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
> can just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and a
> couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.
> 
> On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
>> performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
>> 
>> For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the
>> exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
>> duration.
>> 
>> For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO.
>> You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.
>> 
>> Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to
>> get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.
>> 
>> The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS.
>> I hope they fix it soon.
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Mohamed E. Fayed
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared
>>> to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously
>>> consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
>>> I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari
>>> is Busy” message that cripples my productivity.
>>> 
>>> So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac
>>> does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a
>>> coin on the decision.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
>>> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
>>> 
>>> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot
>>> of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
>>> 
>>> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about
>>> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder,
>>> should I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to
>>> spend $900 on a MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
>>> 
>>> What are your guises thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> From Traci's MBA20.
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

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Well, I have bought a Windows laptop and I’m making sure I use it since I no 
longer think Apple is always going to stick to their original commitment to 
blind people.  I also find using the internet on a Windows machine a much more 
pleasant and efficient experience. 

Andrew 

> On 7 Sep 2023, at 17:23, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list 
> about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
> 
> Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot of 
> you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
> 
> I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about 
> updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder, should I 
> get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to spend $900 on a 
> MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.
> 
> What are your guises thoughts?
> 
> Thank you,
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37 Zoom Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac

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Hi,

Just found this helpful page and I thought I’d share it.

andrew 


> https://osxdaily.com/2022/01/31/zoom-keyboard-shortcuts-mac/

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Dolphin Easy Reader & Braille display

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Hi,

Is it possible to read books with a refreshable Braille display in Dolphin Easy 
Reader app on the mac?  I can’t find a way of doing so.

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Working with textboxes in Microsoft Word on mac

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Hi,

Is it possible to work successfully with textboxes in Ms Word on the mac?  I 
mean move from one box to another, read its content and / or write in them?  I 
have to fill in a questionnaire which is full of textboxes and I have no idea 
how to complete the task.

Many thanks for any tips.

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Re: Voiceover says "verified" repeatedly on YouTube website

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I wonder if we should report it to Apple, or is this a non-apple issue? Yet, it 
does interfere enormously with our accessibility.

Andrew 

> On 13 Jul 2023, at 18:43, Matthew Whitaker  
> wrote:
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> Same here. I wish there was a way to fix that. 
> Also, anyone know of a good Youtube app for Mac that’s accessible?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2023, at 12:58 PM, my multiple life  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I noticed this to.
>> Ray
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2023, at 9:59 AM, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> it also happens when you enter on any video. thought it originally was
>>> a beta thing.
>>> 
>>> On 7/13/23, Doug Lee  wrote:
>>>> I hear this on Windows as well; this is a Youtube thing I think, which
>>>> probably means it's an HTML
>>>> live-region or other form of AT notification they added somewhat recently.
>>>> Odd thing is, I don't find that
>>>> "verified" or "official" always relate to what I'm listening to. Maybe it's
>>>> just me. :)
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 08:15:27AM -0400, alia robinson wrote:
>>>> yes, and it’s majorly annoying. tabbing away and back usually fixes it.
>>>> 
>>>> Alia
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2023, at 8:13 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve noticed recently as soon as I load YouTube website, Voiceover keeps
>>>>> repeating “verified” at leasst 10 times.  This behaviour is fairly new.
>>>>> Anybody else experiencing this? It happens on Big Sur, and Ventura as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
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Voiceover says "verified" repeatedly on YouTube website

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Hi,

I’ve noticed recently as soon as I load YouTube website, Voiceover keeps 
repeating “verified” at leasst 10 times.  This behaviour is fairly new.  
Anybody else experiencing this? It happens on Big Sur, and Ventura as well.

Andrew 

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How to bypass captchas on iphone and ipad

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This is how it’s done..  Below is a quote from OSX Daily blogpost.

"You can completely bypass and skip CAPTCHAs by enabling an automatic 
verification feature, here’s how:”
1.  Open the Settings app on iPhone or iPad
2.  Tap on your name at the very top of the Settings app
3.  Choose “Password & Security”
4.  Scroll down to find “Automatic Verification” and toggle this setting ON (or 
OFF if you wish to disable the feature)
With Automatic Verification enabled, you will not have to fill out CAPTCHA’s 
when using iPhone or iPad with Safari.”
"You may still encounter CAPTCHAs, but they will be automatically filled out 
and verified like this:”
"If you do not find this feature available to you, your iPhone or iPad is not 
running the latest version of system software that supports the capability (iOS 
16 or newer”

Hope this helps a little

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Hi,

What accessible sleep apps do you use on your apple watch?

thanks

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Re: Jumping from chapter to chapter in a Kindle book

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Ah thank you, Mark, this is so simple.  Never thought to try it.  I’m so so 
happy.

Andrew 

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> Hello Andrew,
> 
> Yes, it is, indeed.
> 
> On your iOS device, simply single-finger, double-tap any text of the open 
> title. This will bring up a list of options, one of which will allow you to 
> see a list of the chapters of the book, currently opened.
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> Is it possible to jump from chapter to chapter in a Kindle book in the Kindle 
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Jumping from chapter to chapter in a Kindle book

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Hi,

Is it possible to jump from chapter to chapter in a Kindle book in the Kindle 
app on iPhone or ipad?  Or else, is there a way to find a particular chapter in 
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Affordable Braille display that works with voiceover

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Hi,

My Brailliant bi 32 I bought second-hand years ago appears to have died.  Would 
you mind giving me some recommendations on an affordable Braille display that 
plays nicely with voiceover?

Many thanks

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Re: Question about Voiceover issue when starting my Macbook Pro

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Hi,

Voiceover is probably muted so double-tap with three fingers on the trackpad to 
unmute it.

Andrew

> On 4 Apr 2023, at 01:42, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> Having a brain cramp on an issue starting my MacBook Pro with VoiceOver.
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How to type plus sign on iphone

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Hi,

I have recently come across a dilemma of how to type relatively quickly the 
plus sign on the iphone keyboard.  In order to achieve this, I had to spend 
quite a time looking amongst symbols and it wasn’t to be found on the first 
screen of symbols on iPhone keyboard.  Is there an easier way to accomplish 
this?

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Accessible VPN

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Hi,

What VPN service do people on the list use on iOS and mac computers, paid or 
unpaid?  I’d appreciate your comments.

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Re: Accessible password managers

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I sadly echo your sentiment.  I’m trying to communicate with developers but I 
find that i spend most of my time managing technology, which in the end makes 
me so sick.

Andrew

> On 13 Mar 2023, at 22:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Andrew,
>  I hear you. Its frustrating.But I am finding that more and more apps are 
> becoming less easy to use. Same with macOS which was simpler before Ventura. 
> The UI interface is changing and that may be why. I need to sit down and 
> focus on some apps like 1Passwird and take notes then send as feedback. 
> Sometimes I yearn for the "good ol' days" when life was simpler. :)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> 
> On 3/13/2023 3:00 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi E.T.
>> Yes, I have sent them feedback, waiting for their response.  whilst I used 
>> to love it, I’m beginning to worry they’re neglecting the accessibility due 
>> to the usual competition pressure & the need to see themselves implementing 
>> new features that actually put us visually impaired ppl at a disadvantage.  
>> I’ve been very patient I feel but recently I seem to be spending hours 
>> trying to achieve what a sighted person could achieve in seconds.  This is 
>> just not good enough.
>> Andrew
>>> On 13 Mar 2023, at 00:28, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>>   I don't disagree but I think the 1Password app provides many benefits 
>>> aside from storing passwords. Send them feedback.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com><mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> 
>>> On 3/12/2023 2:27 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I’m wondering what other password managers besides 1password people find 
>>>> easily accessible on Mac, iOS & Android/windows?  I’ve been using 
>>>> 1password for many years but following their continuous development - as 
>>>> is often the case - I’m finding their app more and more difficult to use.
>>>> Andrew
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Re: Accessible password managers

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Hi E.T.

Yes, I have sent them feedback, waiting for their response.  whilst I used to 
love it, I’m beginning to worry they’re neglecting the accessibility due to the 
usual competition pressure & the need to see themselves implementing new 
features that actually put us visually impaired ppl at a disadvantage.  I’ve 
been very patient I feel but recently I seem to be spending hours trying to 
achieve what a sighted person could achieve in seconds.  This is just not good 
enough.

Andrew 

> On 13 Mar 2023, at 00:28, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>   I don't disagree but I think the 1Password app provides many benefits aside 
> from storing passwords. Send them feedback.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> 
> On 3/12/2023 2:27 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I’m wondering what other password managers besides 1password people find 
>> easily accessible on Mac, iOS & Android/windows?  I’ve been using 1password 
>> for many years but following their continuous development - as is often the 
>> case - I’m finding their app more and more difficult to use.
>> Andrew
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Accessible password managers

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Hi,

I’m wondering what other password managers besides 1password people find easily 
accessible on Mac, iOS & Android/windows?  I’ve been using 1password for many 
years but following their continuous development - as is often the case - I’m 
finding their app more and more difficult to use.

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Secure keys & iOS devices

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Hi,

Does anybody use YubiKey secure keys with your services especially iphone?  If 
yes, could you pls email me privately?  I can’t make them work with my iphone 
se 2020. I’d be grateful to talk to you via facebook or whatsapp.  Please let 
me know.

Andrew 

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Secure keys accessibility

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Hi,

Does anyone on the list use a physical secure key to sign into apple or other 
web services?  If yes, are such keys accessible for blind users?  What are your 
experiences with them?

Andrew

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Accessible Twitter client for mac

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hi,

Now that Twitterrific is no longer available, what is the best accessible 
Twitter client for a mac running Ventura?  I’m currently trying Twitter.app and 
Spring.app but both are behaving in an odd manner so that I never quite know 
how to jump to the top of the Tweets, the shortcut keys don’t seem to respond 
every time, sometimes when I do succeed to retweet, I’m thrown back to the top 
of the tweet list.  This is all rather disappointing.  I have tried Twitter.com 
 website but the keyboard shortcut keys they list there 
don’t seem to work.  Any suggestions?

Andrew

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Re: Document Scanning App

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I use FineReader OcR Pro.  It’s a paid application from the appstore.

Andrew

> On 25 Oct 2022, at 16:09, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
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> Good morning,
> 
>   I hope that there will be recommendations for a document scanning app. 
> I started a new job as an employment consultant and some of it involves 
> reading printed documents.
> Thank you so much and have a wonderful day.
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> Kindly,
> 
> Vaughn
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Re: Translate?

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I would use translate.google.com . Once you are 
on the page, look for source language and target language choices and choose 
Spanish for source and English.  Then Look for the edit field where you can 
paste or type in the text.  In this case, you want to have copied the text of 
your email in Spanish first to your clipboard so that you can paste it into the 
source text edit field.  Then without pressing anything, search for heading 
translation results.  Then vo+arrow right to translation results.  
translate.google.com  is very useful although it 
is not the easiest to navigate.

Andrew

> On 23 Sep 2022, at 20:26, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Howdy,
>   I received an email (legitimate) that is in Spanish. What is the easiest 
> way to quickly translate this? Thanks
> 
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Re: Mac mini with M1 chip and questions

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Thank you, Brad for this.  I’d consider an intel based mac mini. I have no 
sight so a monitor is of little use to me but will mac mini run properly 
without it and more importantly will Windows be happy running in bootcamp 
without a monitor?  Won’t there be issues of either the mac os or Windows 
demanding a monitor be present?

Regarding the silicon imac 24 inch, I assume it won’t run windows in bootcamp 
either?

Andrew 

> On 22 Sep 2022, at 13:30, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
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> A Mac with Apple silicon will not run Bootcamp.  There are some other 
> options, but there may be some accessibility issues with some of these 
> options.
> Apple does still sell a Mac mini with an Intel processor, and this Mac will 
> run bootcamp.
> A Mac mini does not require a monitor to function, however if you want a 
> monitor, pretty much any monitor will work, but be advised that the mini has 
> both a HDMI port, and Thunderbolt ports, so you will need an adapter for some 
> monitors.
> Another option to consider is the 24” iMac with apple silicon.  My wife, who 
> is sighted, has one of these, and it is a very nice option worth considering 
> if you want a Mac with a very good monitor.
> 
> If you are considering a new Mac with Apple silicon, I would wait until after 
> the yet to be announced October Apple event, where new Macs are expected to 
> be announced.
> If you are interested in the mini with the Intel processor, you might want to 
> act soon, because it is unknown how long Apple will continue selling this 
> option, and it could easily disappear once the October event is held, though 
> I would assume some of these models could still be purchase from the Apple 
> Refurbished store. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2022, at 04:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Yesterday my 2012 imac died.  I’m trying to decide what to buy.  I’m thinking 
> of getting a mac mini with M1 chip.
> 
> My questions are:
> 1. Could I run windows in bootcamp on it?
> 2. What sort of monitor I need to get? I don’t thinkk it comes with a monitor.
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Mac mini with M1 chip and questions

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Hi,

Yesterday my 2012 imac died.  I’m trying to decide what to buy.  I’m thinking 
of getting a mac mini with M1 chip.

My questions are:
1. Could I run windows in bootcamp on it?
2. What sort of monitor I need to get? I don’t thinkk it comes with a monitor.

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Captcha recognition

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Hi,

Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari?  The particular one has no 
audio equivalent.

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Kobo books app for iphone accessibility

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Hi,

I have again tried the Kobo books app for iphone and although I can open a book 
previously purchased, I don’t know how to move from page to page.  Is there a 
voiceover passthrough gesture that would allow me to perform a swipe to change 
pages as the app suggests a sighted user might do to advance through the pages? 
 Otherwise, I can’t seem to be able to read using Kobo books app.  There’s no 
continual reading ability either.

Any tips?

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Re: Signing into Kindle on IPhone using smart beetle Braille display

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Ah, no, I don’t think I interacted with the edit field as Voiceover said 
“editing’.  Is there a chord for interacting with an edit field?

Andrew 

> On 28 Jun 2022, at 14:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Are you interacting with the text field and using 8 dot mode?
> 
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> On 6/28/2022 2:58 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I was trying to sign into Kindle on my IPhone SE 2nd generation using Smart 
>> Beetle refreshable Braille display. I navigated to the edit fields but no 
>> text would be entered into the field apart from the @ sign. Is there 
>> something specific I must do in order to enter text using Braille displays 
>> in such circumstances?
>> thanks for any suggestions
>> Andrew
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Signing into Kindle on IPhone using smart beetle Braille display

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Hi,

I was trying to sign into Kindle on my IPhone SE 2nd generation using Smart 
Beetle refreshable Braille display.  I navigated to the edit fields but no text 
would be entered into the field apart from the @ sign.  Is there something 
specific I must do in order to enter text using Braille displays in such 
circumstances?

thanks for any suggestions

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Re: Pages

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Ann and Archie Robertson had written a helpful tutorial “My MacPages" on Pages. 
 It’s a paid publication available fromhttps://mosen.org/store/  consultancy 
and maybe other sources as well.  Anne has been a generous contributor to this 
list.  Hope you can find her tutorial.



> On 27 Jun 2022, at 14:13, Marsha Drenth  wrote:
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> Greetings, 
> 
> I am in search of a tutorial or very specific instructions on learning to use 
> the Pages app. I would like to use both on a Mac and or Ipad. Is there a 
> specific list for just Ipad blind users? 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

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Once again, thank you, Karen and others for the answers.  I have so much to 
learn.

Best wishes

Andrew

> On 23 Jun 2022, at 02:22, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> actually answering the second question as well.
> Lynx is a browser, and there is a compiled edition that, according to their 
> website works for mac os x.
> As stated, not only am I not using the mac for what I shared, working from 
> the idea that a mac browser could load a file, much as in Linux, but I am not 
> a braille user either.
> At the time of my writing this email, I am waiting to hear back from the Lynx 
> development list, the browser gets updated regularly, to confirm the last 
> edition of Macos the compiles are firm with.
> One member states that the compiles simple work, but I wish greater 
> confirmation for you.
> best,
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen, May I ask what Lynx is and what its equivalent for mac is?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Karen Lewellen >> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> Certainly.
>>> Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
>>> cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
>>> Also, for my own record keeping I tend to change the name when I save the 
>>> file to a .txt from the .XML source.
>>> 
>>> For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's 
>>> east of Eden.
>>> when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
>>> contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
>>> East_of_Eden.XML
>>> Again I unpack the zip file in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
>>> confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
>>> once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
>>> As I use a shell service based on Ubuntu Linux I have several lower 
>>> graphics options. To keep the explanation simple, I might type
>>> lynx east_of_Eden.XML
>>> I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
>>> lynx East_*.XML
>>> the result is for me the same.
>>> my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
>>> displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
>>> because the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
>>> option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing 
>>> this command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
>>> You can choose whatever file name works for you, using .txt as the 
>>> extension.
>>> What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with 
>>> your braille display.
>>> I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
>>> For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually 
>>> using the tool resonates.
>>> Sing out if you have more questions.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Karen,
>>>> 
>>>> I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way. I wasn’t aware 
>>>> that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play 
>>>> with them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into 
>>>> your browser? do I understand you correctly?
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a 
>>>>> .XML file which is the actual text itself.
>>>>> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
>>>>> something like tables if it could be read that way?
>>>>> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and 
>>>>> read them in my word processor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show 
>>>>>> the actual text
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> >>>&

Re: An active Voice Dream Reader subscription on Mac

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I”m not quite sure but when did yu subscribe to the application?  The first two 
weeks are free so if you had subscribed before the two weeks are up, maybe your 
subscription is not valid yet. 

Andrew 

> On 22 Jun 2022, at 17:44, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have an interresting thing. The Voice Dream Reader shows an active 
> subscription in app preferences. But when I look at the subscriptions in 
> iCloud settings, there are not any active subscriptions.
> It shows me after the last update.
> 
> I don’t understand it. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best regard
> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

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I’ve written to Winston chen but he’s not responded yet.  He says he’s no 
Braille display which begs a question how he can properly make Braille access 
possible if he doesn’t bother about Braille displays.

Andrew 

> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:08, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think its time for the VoiceDream developer to take a moment to think about 
> how braille could be implemented properly.
> Though I am not the right person to explain this as I am not the best in 
> English, even though I do understand it and can read and write a lot.
> But its a pain to explain such things properly translating Swedish to English 
> directly from my head.
> /A
> 
>> 22 juni 2022 kl. 07:20 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Yes, I have finally found the area and i was able to read the text with the 
>> Braille display but as soon as I move away from that area, and then return 
>> to the text, I find myself at the beginning of the book again.  Voice Dream 
>> Reader forr Mac doesn’t remember where you left off with the Braille 
>> display.  I have been wondering whether there’s a way Voiceover/keyboard 
>> focus could track Braille cursor if there is such a thing. :)
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 19:43, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It was a bit of an issue in the beta but  there should be some area to 
>>> interact with from what I remember.
>>> I don’t have it as he has a monthly subscription which I don’t want so I 
>>> trashed it on my Mac.
>>> Sad but it is what it is.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 21 juni 2022 kl. 10:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
>>>> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I 
>>>> can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I 
>>>> have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t 
>>>> have a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
>>>> occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
>>>> experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
>>>> you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t 
>>>> find the text being read anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream 
>>>>>> reader for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

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Karen,  May I ask what Lynx is and what its equivalent for mac is?

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> Certainly.
> Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
> cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
> Also, for my own record keeping I tend to change the name when I save the 
> file to a .txt from the .XML source.
> 
> For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's east 
> of Eden.
> when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
> contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
> East_of_Eden.XML
> Again I unpack the zip file in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
> confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
> once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
> As I use a shell service based on Ubuntu Linux I have several lower graphics 
> options. To keep the explanation simple, I might type
> lynx east_of_Eden.XML
> I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
> lynx East_*.XML
> the result is for me the same.
> my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
> displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
> because the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
> option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing this 
> command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
> You can choose whatever file name works for you, using .txt as the extension.
> What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with your 
> braille display.
> I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
> For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually using 
> the tool resonates.
> Sing out if you have more questions.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way. I wasn’t aware 
>> that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play 
>> with them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into 
>> your browser? do I understand you correctly?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
>>> file which is the actual text itself.
>>> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
>>> something like tables if it could be read that way?
>>> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and 
>>> read them in my word processor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
>>>> actual text
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
>>>>> <http://bookshare.org/><http://bookshare.org/ 
>>>>> <http://bookshare.org/>><http://bookshare.org/ 
>>>>> <http://bookshare.org/><http://bookshare.org/ <http://bookshare.org/>>>, 
>>>>> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray >>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>>>>>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>>>>>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the 
>>>>>> book you are reading
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 21 J

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I have finally found the area and i was able to read the text with the 
Braille display but as soon as I move away from that area, and then return to 
the text, I find myself at the beginning of the book again.  Voice Dream Reader 
forr Mac doesn’t remember where you left off with the Braille display.  I have 
been wondering whether there’s a way Voiceover/keyboard focus could track 
Braille cursor if there is such a thing. :)

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 19:43, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It was a bit of an issue in the beta but  there should be some area to 
> interact with from what I remember.
> I don’t have it as he has a monthly subscription which I don’t want so I 
> trashed it on my Mac.
> Sad but it is what it is.
> /A
> 
>> 21 juni 2022 kl. 10:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
>> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion 
>> to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience 
>> for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can 
>> actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text 
>> being read anywhere.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much for this.  I shall give it a go.

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> Certainly.
> Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
> cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
> Also, for my own record keeping I tend to change the name when I save the 
> file to a .txt from the .XML source.
> 
> For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's east 
> of Eden.
> when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
> contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
> East_of_Eden.XML
> Again I unpack the zip file in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
> confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
> once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
> As I use a shell service based on Ubuntu Linux I have several lower graphics 
> options. To keep the explanation simple, I might type
> lynx east_of_Eden.XML
> I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
> lynx East_*.XML
> the result is for me the same.
> my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
> displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
> because the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
> option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing this 
> command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
> You can choose whatever file name works for you, using .txt as the extension.
> What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with your 
> braille display.
> I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
> For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually using 
> the tool resonates.
> Sing out if you have more questions.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way. I wasn’t aware 
>> that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play 
>> with them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into 
>> your browser? do I understand you correctly?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
>>> file which is the actual text itself.
>>> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
>>> something like tables if it could be read that way?
>>> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and 
>>> read them in my word processor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
>>>> actual text
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
>>>>> <http://bookshare.org/><http://bookshare.org/ 
>>>>> <http://bookshare.org/>><http://bookshare.org/ 
>>>>> <http://bookshare.org/><http://bookshare.org/ <http://bookshare.org/>>>, 
>>>>> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray >>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>>>>>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>>>>>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the 
>>>>>> book you are reading
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,

I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way.  I wasn’t aware that 
.xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play with them. 
Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into your browser?  do 
I understand you correctly?

Andrew 

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
> file which is the actual text itself.
> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
> something like tables if it could be read that way?
> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and read 
> them in my word processor.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
> 
>> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
>> actual text
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
>>> <http://bookshare.org/><http://bookshare.org/ <http://bookshare.org/>>, 
>>> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray >>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com><mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>>>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>>>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book 
>>>> you are reading
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
>>>>> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I 
>>>>> can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display. I 
>>>>> have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he 
>>>>> doesn’t have a Braille display. This is a bit of a drawback for me as I 
>>>>> like on occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely 
>>>>> different experience for me. I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille 
>>>>> display and you can actually touch the text with your finger. On the mac, 
>>>>> I can’t find the text being read anywhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen >>>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com><mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does it read if you hit the play button?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream 
>>>>>>> reader for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Further to my Voice Dream Reader for Desktop woes, I’ve played with the 
application some more and I have finally managed to find the actual text in the 
area voiceover reads as “web area” and then having interacted with it I found 
voiceover said “frame” and having interacted with it again, I found the text.  
I can’t quite determine how I found the text other than trying to activate 
‘full screen” by pressing letter F - something I found in the menus.   I was 
able to read a few pages using just my Braille display.  However, as soon as I 
left the area and looked elsewhere on my computer, I lost the place where I 
finished reading, which meant I had to spend a long time scrolling down to find 
my place again.  I noticed the meter that shows how much of the book has 
already been read and how much is left showed zero, which makes me think 
reading using braille display doesn’t actually register on the meter hence I 
lost my place in the book.  I shall have to play with it some more.  It would 
appear the Braille display focus doesn’t move the Voiceover focus with  it.


> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:37, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought so as well when I installed voice dream reader on my mac and took 
> out the subscription but alas I don’t seem to be able to use my Braille 
> display.  I open a book, I hit the spacebar for voiceover to start reading 
> thee text but I can’t find the text being read anywhere on the screen.  When 
> using the same application on IPhone, I can touch the text being read, and I 
> can use my Braille display.  Am I missing something?
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:48, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you can read them with VoiceOver on the Mac, then, yes, you should be 
>> able to use your braille display for the purpose.
>> Be aware, however, that the panning behavior on VoiceOver for Mac with a 
>> braille display can be awkward, and it may be challenging to read a document 
>> sequentially.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun, 2022, at 17:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve played with the application some more and I have finally managed to find 
the actual text in the area voiceover reads as “web area” and then having 
interacted with it I found voiceover said “frame” and having interacted with it 
again, I found the text.  I was able to read a few pages using just my Braille 
display.  However, as soon as I left the area and looked elsewhere on my 
computer, I lost the place I finished reading, which meant I had to spend a a 
long time scrolling down to find my place again.  I noticed the meter that 
shows how much of the book has already been read and how much is left showed 
zero, which makes me think reading using braille display doesn’t actually 
register on the meter hence I lost my place in the book.  I shall have to play 
with it some more.

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 10:18, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
> actual text 
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org <http://bookshare.org/>, hence I 
>> can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray >> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book 
>>> you are reading 
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
>>>> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I 
>>>> can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I 
>>>> have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t 
>>>> have a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
>>>> occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
>>>> experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
>>>> you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t 
>>>> find the text being read anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen >>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream 
>>>>>> reader for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

These are DAISY books from bookshare.org <http://bookshare.org/>, hence I can’t 
read them in books app or Preview or some such.

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not work 
> for what you want or even reading the document in something like preview or 
> even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book you are 
> reading 
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
>> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion 
>> to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience 
>> for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can 
>> actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text 
>> being read anywhere.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I thought so as well when I installed voice dream reader on my mac and took out 
the subscription but alas I don’t seem to be able to use my Braille display.  I 
open a book, I hit the spacebar for voiceover to start reading thee text but I 
can’t find the text being read anywhere on the screen.  When using the same 
application on IPhone, I can touch the text being read, and I can use my 
Braille display.  Am I missing something?

Andrew

> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:48, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you can read them with VoiceOver on the Mac, then, yes, you should be able 
> to use your braille display for the purpose.
> Be aware, however, that the panning behavior on VoiceOver for Mac with a 
> braille display can be awkward, and it may be challenging to read a document 
> sequentially.
> 
>> On 20 Jun, 2022, at 17:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

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Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read the 
book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t mute 
voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have asked the 
developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a Braille 
display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to read 
quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for me.  I 
think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually touch the 
text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text being read anywhere.

Andrew 

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> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
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>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

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Hello,

Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?

I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.

Andrew

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Re: VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac.

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I was disappointed to see that it is subscription based too.  I’d rather pay 
one-off fee even it were to be high.

Andrew

> On 3 May 2022, at 00:03, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I'm not going to pay $4.95 per month. I'll stick with using the one on my 
> iPhone.
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> - Brad -
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> On May 2, 2022, at 17:54, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Yes, but I believe it is spelled Voice Dream. It’s $4.95 a month.
> 
>> On May 2, 2022, at 15:15, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I saw on another list that VOiceDream Reader is out for Mac with a final 
>> release.
>> Its called VOiceDream Reader for desktop and is a subscription for those of 
>> you interested.
>> Its in the App Store where I have downloaded it.
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Re: Can't add bookmarks in latest Safari 15.4

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Yes, Tim, I did.  Also, interestingly, I can add bookmarks without a problem in 
Google Chrome but not in Safari.  For now I shall have to switch to using 
Chrome if I think I want to bookmark a page.  It’s really very sttrange.  I 
wonder whether I should reinstall the operating systtem.  Yet, the problem 
persists on Monterey, Big Sur and Catalina which makes me thinkk it is SAfari 
that’s to blame.

Andrew 

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> Hi,
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> Did you try going up to the Bookmarks menu, then down to Add Bookmark instead 
> of using the keyboard shortcut?  Just trying to see if it might be something 
> to do with the shortcut as opposed to the actual command.
> 
> Later…
> 
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>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 14:04, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hello Tim,
>> 
>> It’s so weird but that’s exactly what I would have done to add a bookmark.  
>> It just doesn’t work I & I have no idea. why.  It’s not necessarily a 
>> voiceover issue so I won’t ask for any more help.  I will try to look for a 
>> way to contact Apple support.  None of my macs seem to have the ability to 
>> add bookmarks.  How irritating!
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2022, at 16:45, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I am able to add Bookmarks.  I go to a site, press cmd-d, choose the 
>>> location to place the Bookmark, as in Bookmarks Menu or Favourites, then 
>>> press return.  It shows up where it is supposed to.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
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>>>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 23:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Just wanted to check or ask you to check whether you are able to add new 
>>>> bookmarks in Safari latest 15.4.  I don’t seem to be able to bookmark any 
>>>> pages at all regardless which OS on my mac I use: Big Sur, Catalina, 
>>>> Monterey: the same thing happens.  Can’t bookmark anything.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Andrew
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Re: Can't add bookmarks in latest Safari 15.4

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Hello Tim,

It’s so weird but that’s exactly what I would have done to add a bookmark.  It 
just doesn’t work I & I have no idea. why.  It’s not necessarily a voiceover 
issue so I won’t ask for any more help.  I will try to look for a way to 
contact Apple support.  None of my macs seem to have the ability to add 
bookmarks.  How irritating!

Many thanks,

Andrew 

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> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I am able to add Bookmarks.  I go to a site, press cmd-d, choose the 
> location to place the Bookmark, as in Bookmarks Menu or Favourites, then 
> press return.  It shows up where it is supposed to.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 23:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just wanted to check or ask you to check whether you are able to add new 
>> bookmarks in Safari latest 15.4.  I don’t seem to be able to bookmark any 
>> pages at all regardless which OS on my mac I use: Big Sur, Catalina, 
>> Monterey: the same thing happens.  Can’t bookmark anything.
>> 
>> Thanks, Andrew
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Can't add bookmarks in latest Safari 15.4

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Hi,

Just wanted to check or ask you to check whether you are able to add new 
bookmarks in Safari latest 15.4.  I don’t seem to be able to bookmark any pages 
at all regardless which OS on my mac I use: Big Sur, Catalina, Monterey: the 
same thing happens.  Can’t bookmark anything.

Thanks, Andrew

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Bookmarks not syncing yet again

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Hi,

I’ve asked for your help before and followed your advice but my safari 
bookmarks don’t seem to be syncing across all my macs which are connected to 
the same wifi network.  They run on Catalina, Big Sur and Monterey.  Would the 
syncing of bookmarks in Safari be affected if I created them while away from 
home and thus connected to another network?  When I return home, my mac with 
which I travelled reconnects to my home network automatically but I can’t see 
the bookmarks added when away on my other macs.  It’s so frustrating.

Thanks for any tips.

Andrew 

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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

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Hi,

I sometimes experienced a similar issue in other word processing application - 
can’t remember which now.  I think it may have something to do with the way the 
text wraps in the window.  Look in Ms Word settings to see if there’s an option 
that says something like “wrap to window” that needs to be checked.

Good luck

Andrew

> On 12 Apr 2022, at 05:01, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> It is very interesting to me Tim that you are not experiencing this issue. 
> I’m sorry you are Brad but at least it makes the likelyhood of me going crazy 
> slightly less.
> 
> The only thing I can think of to try is to uninstall Word and reinstall it. I 
> haven’t had a chance to do that yet but may give it a try tomorrow.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
>> created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  
>> All worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word 
>> document with positive results.  The only difference was that Word announced 
>> that the TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility mode, but 
>> was totally navigable.
>> 
>> I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
>>> Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 Intel 
>>> Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were 
>>> created using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
>>> 
 On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
 Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
 described earlier.
 
 When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I 
 am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation 
 or simple arrow key navigation.
 
 I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
 I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
 still am not able to navigate line by line.
 
 This is very strange behavior indeed.  
 
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Re: 1Password on Mac

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I’d send their support team an email.  They’ve always been extremely supportive 
to our accessibility needs.  so please do contact them via support link.

Andrew

> On 25 Mar 2022, at 15:22, Brett Lewis  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I have to use 1password for work and I have found that on the Mac, 1password 
> in Chrome is much more consistent.
> I tend to use command+\ to invoke it.
> Safari is generally just a frustrating experience, when it works with the 
> arrow keys it is great but it doesn't often work.
> Sending them an email is a great idea.
> Brett
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> 
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 8:10 AM minh Tam ha  > wrote:
> I'm going to send an email to 1Password. I like it because I have many 
> devices on different operating systems. But the lack of reliability on the 
> Mac is quite annoying.
> 
> Minh
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> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:44 AM Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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Re: Sent Folder in Mac mail?

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Each account will have its own sent folder but there’s also the “all sent” 
folder which you can find in the list of all your mailboxes.  I simply start 
typing all sent & I get taken to the box.  Then vo+rightt a couple of times and 
you should be in the list of all sent messages.  Once voiceover has focus on 
“all sent” folder, you can also search for messages through the search box in 
the toolbar.  

Andrew

> On 13 Mar 2022, at 02:46, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Does Mac Mail keep the copies of the emails that we send? If yes, how can I 
> access that folder, please?
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Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

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Hi,

The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to ignore 
voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d appreciate your 
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Re: Alternativ web browser

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I find myself using Brave more and more often.  Very fast.  Download it from 
www.brave.com  and look for an appropriate platform.  
You can install Brave on all your devices and have them synced.

Andrew

> On 24 Feb 2022, at 08:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi,
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> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
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Re: Unable to setup family sharing with different apple id for purchases

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I’m sorry if I have been unable to explain what I meant.  The problem is due to 
having 2 separate apple IDs: one for ICloud and one for purchases apps and so 
forth.  When I set up family sharing, it automatically assumed that my ICloud 
ID was also to be shared for purchases.  But that of course isn’t the case as 
my purchases are done with a different Apple ID.  Nothing in the family setup 
makes it easy to separate the two.  I finally accomplished it but i can’t 
exactly remember how as it was very much by hours of stabbing in the dark.  
It’s not right that it should be so difficult.

Anyway, thanks for your time to attempt to help & I’m sorry I wasn’t able to 
clearly explain my dilemma.

Andrew

> On 6 Feb 2022, at 01:02, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello, Andrew,
> 
> Lets assume you have ID's 
> Andy and Drew.
> If you have Andy as the organizer of the Family, and then you add Drew as a 
> family member then both Andy's and Drw's purchases of Family sharable 
> applications will be available for no additional cost to your family members.
> If you then remove Drew from the family, any family  members who were using 
> apps that were purchased by Drew will no longer have access to those app.
> As was earlier mentioned, if Charlotte  who is  for that software. 
>  not family organizers purchase software and they do not have any Apple 
> credit in their account, then the Andy account's credit card will be charged, 
> but the official owner would be Charlotte 
>   Best wishes,
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>> On Feb 4, 2022, at 16:38, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> sharing and naturally I’d like the members of the family to use purchases 
>> I’ve got with a different AppleID.  I’ve followed Apple’s instructions but 
>> do you think I can change this ID for purchases?  I’ve been going round in 
>> circles for an hour and I’m sick of it.  Anybody has had a similar 
>> experience?
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Unable to setup family sharing with different apple id for purchases

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Hi,

I’m in this for ever irritating situation of having two apple IDs: one for 
ICloud & one for App store, purchases, books etc.  I’m setting up family 
sharing and naturally I’d like the members of the family to use purchases I’ve 
got with a different AppleID.  I’ve followed Apple’s instructions but do you 
think I can change this ID for purchases?  I’ve been going round in circles for 
an hour and I’m sick of it.  Anybody has had a similar experience?

Andrew

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Re: Where are audible books located on my mac?

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Thank you to all those who responded.  It’s certainly a step backwards.

Andrew

> On 31 Jan 2022, at 14:43, Barry Hadder  wrote:
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> /Users//Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/Books/Audiobooks
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>> On Jan 31, 2022, at 02:42, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Yes, Brad, I know that.  I meant once I open them with Books app, they are 
>> placed somewhere within Books app.  In old itunes i could find a section 
>> with all my audiobooks listed in the media folder but now they are not there.
>> 
>> Andrew :) 
>> 
>>> On 30 Jan 2022, at 17:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>>> You might want to check the Downloads folder.
>>> From the Desktop, press CMD + OPT + L.
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>>> That's where they end up on my Mac after downloading from the Audible 
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>>> Hi,
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>>> Which folder are my audiobooks located in these days in mac os monterey?  I 
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Re: Where are audible books located on my mac?

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Yes, Brad, I know that.  I meant once I open them with Books app, they are 
placed somewhere within Books app.  In old itunes i could find a section with 
all my audiobooks listed in the media folder but now they are not there.

Andrew :) 

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> From the Desktop, press CMD + OPT + L.
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> That's where they end up on my Mac after downloading from the Audible website.
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> Hi,
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> Which folder are my audiobooks located in these days in mac os monterey?  I 
> can’t find them anywhere.  I thought they might be under music/media but 
> there is only music there.  No books can be found.
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Where are audible books located on my mac?

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Hi,

Which folder are my audiobooks located in these days in mac os monterey?  I 
can’t find them anywhere.  I thought they might be under music/media but there 
is only music there.  No books can be found.

Many thanks

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Telegram again

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Hi,

Is there any accessible way I could use Telegram using voiceover?

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Re: Moving YouTube Slider?

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You can interact with the slider and then use arrow keys to forward or rewind 
the video.  Stop interacting with the slider in order to move to another 
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> On 8 Dec 2021, at 01:32, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> How can I move Youtube slider, please?
> Thanks!
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Rumble.com how to play videos?

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I’ve tried and tried but I can’t play any videos on Rumble.com 
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play/pause button in order to play videos?

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Synology DS220+ NaS drive accessibility

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Hi,

Anybody on the list could comment on the accessibility with screen 
readers/voiceover in particular of the NAS drive Synology DS220+ drive?  I’d 
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off topic.

Andrew

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Re: Daisy reader for mac again

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Thanks, Jonathan, for reminding me off this.  I will try this.

Andrew

> On 13 Nov 2021, at 14:07, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I thought book share had the option to download EPUB books. The books app 
> will read these, though sometimes with issues.
> Jonathan
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>   Best wishes,
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>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 09:05, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
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>> Whats the situation on a daisy reader for mac?  Is there a way of reading 
>> bookshare daisy books on mac using Braille and speech butt being able to 
>> read in Braille only in a reliable and continuous way?
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Daisy reader for mac again

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Hi,

Whats the situation on a daisy reader for mac?  Is there a way of reading 
bookshare daisy books on mac using Braille and speech butt being able to read 
in Braille only in a reliable and continuous way?

Andrew

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Re: Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

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Let’s report this.

Andrew

> On 31 Oct 2021, at 13:23, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Yes, I have noticed this as well. Rather annoying.
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 06:06, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>> Hi Andrew,
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>> exactly the same behavior here in Monterey.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
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>>> Am 31.10.2021 um 11:28 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed 
>>> that when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something 
>>> which I would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the 
>>> pasted ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could 
>>> anyone plese confirm this behaviour before I report it?
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
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Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

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Hi,

I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed that 
when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something which I 
would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the pasted 
ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could anyone plese 
confirm this behaviour before I report it?

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Re: Ignore, problem solved: Re: Can't pair focus bluetooth braille display with macbook air running Monterey

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It would appear my focus display was still paired with the previous mac so i 
wasn’t able to pair it with another.  I had to remove it from my previous mac 
and then pairing it with the new one was as expected.  Silly me, I should have 
thought about it sooner. :) 

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> How did you resolve the problem?
> Just curious.
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>> On 26 Oct 2021, at 11:31, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
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>> I previously used the said focus 40 bluetooth with macbook pro running Big 
>> Sur and everything was fine: I could use the display either via usb or 
>> bluetooth..  Having upgraded my macbook air silicon to Monterey, I am unable 
>> to pair focus 40 bluetooth with my macbook air.  I can use it via usb but 
>> macbook air doesn’t seem to see the display.  Anything I could do to resolve 
>> this?
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Ignore, problem solved: Re: Can't pair focus bluetooth braille display with macbook air running Monterey

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> On 26 Oct 2021, at 11:31, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello,
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> I previously used the said focus 40 bluetooth with macbook pro running Big 
> Sur and everything was fine: I could use the display either via usb or 
> bluetooth..  Having upgraded my macbook air silicon to Monterey, I am unable 
> to pair focus 40 bluetooth with my macbook air.  I can use it via usb but 
> macbook air doesn’t seem to see the display.  Anything I could do to resolve 
> this?
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Can't pair focus bluetooth braille display with macbook air running Monterey

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Hello,

I previously used the said focus 40 bluetooth with macbook pro running Big Sur 
and everything was fine: I could use the display either via usb or bluetooth..  
Having upgraded my macbook air silicon to Monterey, I am unable to pair focus 
40 bluetooth with my macbook air.  I can use it via usb but macbook air doesn’t 
seem to see the display.  Anything I could do to resolve this?

Andrew

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Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I certainly find macbook air with silicon chip is far superior to the intel 
based ones. Much faster & more responsive.

> On 22 Oct 2021, at 00:34, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should be able to comment some time in November, assuming that the 14-inch 
> MacBook Pro that I ordered this week is delivered as scheduled.
>  
> I’m upgrading from a late 2013 model 13-inch MacBook Pro.
>  
> What I’ve heard (for example, in podcasts by David Woodbridge) is that the 
> performance of VoiceOver is superior with the new hardware architecture, with 
> fewer “busy” messages, for instance.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:23
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Apple Silicon vs Intel x86 for Voiceover users on Mac
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I definitely have experience with Apple Silicon both on my MacBook Pro with 
> M1 and on iMac.  It is difficult to specifically compare with Intel I9 
> processor models,, as I’ve never used one with those specs.  I can tell you 
> though that using an Intel MacBook Air 2020 in comparison to my MBP is a big 
> improvement in performance.  Most “Busy” things that happen to me are because 
> I tend to be impatient with key strokes on on the web.  I’ll press on a link, 
> then start attempting to move around the screen with VO.  That’s when it goes 
> busy.  If I just wait for the link to load, then navigate, then life is 
> better.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Muhammad Fayed  > wrote:
>  
> My question is general I think it would be best to reply based on whatever 
> experiences users have.
> 
> For example, I want M1/M1Pro/M1Max vs latest intel i9 processor on a MacBook 
> Pro.
> 
> If the generations are older then it would make more sense to consider Apple 
> silicon vs 2019 16” model, 2016 15” and maybe 2012 model, whatever the sizes 
> then.
> 
> I think that would make more sense.
> 
> Personally, I have MBP 2016 15” with 2133MHz RAM. I work in the office  on 
> iMac 2020 27” with core I5 the base model, 3.1GHz 6 core i5 with 2666MHz RAM. 
> The Latter feel snappier in usage, but not with large margin although I have 
> migrated my data from MBP to iMac and both have the same 512GB storage. The 
> storage in iMac may be much faster. I don’t know exact details.
> 
> In regards to specifications, Apple silicon in every way regarding 
> specifications. I just want to know whether it makes a difference in 
> Voiceover user or not and which makes the most difference.
> 
> I’m not thinking of getting a new Mac for now because of budget, but I have 
> interest to answer these questions.
> 
> I may just go to Apple reseller in my city and try devices out. I think that 
> may be the answer to my inquiries in case no-one here has experience with 
> Apple Silicon and is an old Mac user.
> 
> Thank you so much,
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
> 
> On 21 Oct 2021, at 3:50 PM, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
> 
> I think a lot of your questions depend on the age of the Mac. For instance, 
> I’m running two Macs, one from 2012 and another from 2019. The 2012 runs 
> slowly while my souped up 2019 Mac runs like a charm with none of the issues 
> you are concerned about. I would love to test these  newer Mac’s  myself 
> since this one is  extremely fast and  efficient already.
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2021, at 06:18, Muhammad Fayed  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,,
> 
> Hope my mail finds you well,
> 
> Out of curiosity, I wonder how it matters to use Apple Silicon compared to 
> Intel devices. 
> 
> • Is it faster to deal with Apple Silicon Mac and more responsive compared to 
> older Macs?
> 
> • Does Voiceover says “busy” much less ?
> 
> • Does image description feature runs faster?
> 
> • Are there any other differences than those I expected?
> 
> Thank you so much,
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Safari bookmarks not syncing between computers

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I always thought that if all my macs and devices are signed into the same 
icloud account, my bookmarks in Safari should be syncing as well.  But this 
doesn’t seem to be the case.  I can’t find the bookmarked pages on which I had 
added on my imac running Catalina on my other macs running Big Sur.  Any reason 
why?  I’m not sure my reading list in Safari is synchronising either.  Anything 
I do wrong?

Andrew

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Voiceover reading pages in pdf documents twice

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Hi,

Has anyone noticed a very odd behaviour of Voiceover when reading pdf documents 
either in Preview or when Safari opens them on the web?  Voiceover reads each 
page of a pdf document twice.  This is very annoying and totally unnecessary.  
Could you confirm?

Andrew

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Re: Autochange Language?

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Hello Zoe,

As I’ve said already, I’ve been reporting this problem to Apple accessibility 
for over 5 years, since High Sierra came out.  They’ve asked me repeatedly the 
same questions, I’ve provided the answers, I’ve sent them samples of Voiceover 
behaviour repeatedly and still they haven’t fixed this.  I feel utterly 
abandoned and mocked by them by now.  I often switch to Windows to be able to 
read and enjoy Greek  but this is a kick in the teeth as I’ve invested so much 
in the Apple products.

Thanks for your feedback.  I shall continue to report to Apple accessibility 
but I’m losing hope.

Andrew

> On 29 Sep 2021, at 16:50, FIOGKOS  wrote:
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> Hi Andrew, hope you are well, I have 27 inch iMac late 2013 and an iPhone 8 
> plus. My Mac is running Catalina because it will not take any newer update. 
> On my iPhone 8 plus the Greek language works just fine. On the Mac running 
> Catalina the Greek does not work. The Greek voice reads characters but not 
> words and lines. I called apple accessibility about this. They had me record 
> what’s happening on my Mac with the Greek language they got back to me saying 
> they need more information and want to do another recording of my 
> Mac/screen/voiceover/Greek voice and how things work. When they called me I 
> was unavailable and sent them an email replying back that I would be 
> available a day later at a certain time. They never got back to me and I plan 
> to call them again.
> Open till this issue I have been very happy with apple accessibility, however 
> with the language issue I feel like they left me hanging.
> I’m not giving up I will try again.
> It is absolutely necessary for me to have the Greek language working on the 
> Mac, so I hope they will fix it soon.
> Regards Zoe
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>> On Sep 28, 2021, at 3:46 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Auto-switch language has been hit for a long time and I’ve been 
>> reporting it for over 5 years now since High Sierra was released.  
>> Auto-switch language works for some languages for me but it certainly 
>> doesn’t work for Greek.  I’m pulling my hair out with Apple Accessibility.  
>> The trouble is very few of us report this problem as the majority don’t use 
>> multiple languages.  For those of us who do, I fear I’m beginning to 
>> consider switching back to Windows although I love my mac.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 28 Sep 2021, at 17:44, Fazil >> <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Group.
>>> My iPhone8 autoswitches to any supported languages when it encounters the 
>>> text of that language. Should I expect the same behavior from 
>>> MacBookPro2017?
>>> If yes, what should I do to have Macbook ? autoswitch the language, please? 
>>> I think I checked the box that talks about autoswitching language in 
>>> VoiceOver Utility but I am not sure.
>>>  
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
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Re: Autochange Language?

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Auto-switch language has been hit for a long time and I’ve been reporting 
it for over 5 years now since High Sierra was released.  Auto-switch language 
works for some languages for me but it certainly doesn’t work for Greek.  I’m 
pulling my hair out with Apple Accessibility.  The trouble is very few of us 
report this problem as the majority don’t use multiple languages.  For those of 
us who do, I fear I’m beginning to consider switching back to Windows although 
I love my mac.

Andrew

> On 28 Sep 2021, at 17:44, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> My iPhone8 autoswitches to any supported languages when it encounters the 
> text of that language. Should I expect the same behavior from MacBookPro2017?
> If yes, what should I do to have Macbook ? autoswitch the language, please? I 
> think I checked the box that talks about autoswitching language in VoiceOver 
> Utility but I am not sure.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
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Re: No page up or down on MacBook Air...

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I can’t execute page up or down with fn+up arrow or down arrow.  It just 
doesn’t work.  I’ve not found the way to move by page ever. :)

Andrew

> On 28 Sep 2021, at 12:06, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The keyboard help does exactly as you say, 
> however when trying to go page up or down  get a error sound.  I hvbe tried 
> on different lengths of page with the same result! So I don’t know what the 
> [roblem is   
> 
> 
>> On 27 Sep 2021, at 19:07, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisioaI.
> 
>> naries  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can confirm that the key combinations I’ve mentioned are the Page 
>> Up/Down and Home/End by enabling the VoiceOver Keyboard Practice.  Press 
>> VO-k to engage Keyboard Practice, then press the arrow keys.  You will hear 
>> left, right up and down.  Hold down the FN key, the key in the lower left of 
>> the keyboard, and listen to what is announced by VO.  You will hear Page Up, 
>> Page Down, Home and End along with the action it performs.  Note that it is 
>> moving the VoiceOver cursor, not the keyboard cursor.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2021, at 3:13 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi there, sorry for the delay in replying. This had gone to my spam folder.
>>> Still can not scroll up or down using the fn arrow down/up keys! I am using 
>>> a 2018 Macbook air if that makes any difference? Thanks again.
>>> 
>>> On 30 Aug 2021, at 20:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If you hold down the FN key while pressing the up/down arrows, you get the 
>>> Page Up/Down action.  Use FN plus left and right to achieve the Home/End 
>>> actions.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
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>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:41 AM, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Thanks for the reply Jonathen, however I am using a MacBook Air which 
 doesn’t have a page up or down key. Any other thoughts?
 Regards Ron.
 
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Voiceover doesn't follow Braille cursor in Big Sur 11.6

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

A question to Braille users on the mac in Big Sur 11.6.  When I choose to read 
text either in email or in TextEdit using my Braille display, I notice that 
Voiceover focus doesn’t follow Braille display.  As a result, if I decide to 
use my keyboard cursor to switch to using voice rather than Braille, Voiceover 
is still at the beginning of the document.  This is such a nuisance because it 
means once you start using your Braille display to read text, you can’t switch 
to listening to the text should you get tired or want to speed up reading for a 
portion of the text.  Am I missing something here?  Does anyone else experience 
this?  I have reported it to Apple Accessibility but they have given me some 
vague explanation to do with checking or unchecking “show multiple items” in 
Braille category / layout of Voiceover utility which didn’t make one bit of 
difference.  Is there a solution to this?

Andrew

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Safari busy again on big sur 11.6

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Since upgrading to the most recent 11.6 on my macbook pro late 2014, Safari has 
become sluggish.  I’ve cleared the cashes, I keep my mac free from junk.  Has 
anyone else experienced this, and is there anything else I can do?  Or is it a 
matter of my mac being old?  It has 16 GB RAM, 512 hard drive and is the 
fastest I could buy at that time.

Andrew

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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

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thanks to all of you who’ve responded.  I’ve ordered iphone se 2020 - it’s 
coming tomorrow.  Can’t wait.

Andrew

> On 20 Sep 2021, at 07:25, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
> 
> Regards,
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> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>> do not think it has 5G.
>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
>> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>> 
>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Tali
>> 
>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
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>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
>>> share your views/opinions on this iphone with me?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,

I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).  My 
reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to share your 
views/opinions on this iphone with me?

Andrew

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Re: How to turn on auto Language switching in High Sierra

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Please, keep on badgering Apple accessibility about multilingual issues as 
voice switching. It was messed up when High Sierra came and it was never fixed 
thereafter. I’ve been writing to Accessibility a about this for over 5 years 
now and they haven’t’ improved a bit about this.  Please start writing and 
complaining about this forcefully.  A single voice like myself is being ignored 
but we have to act en masse.  In Sierra, you could press a shortcut key 
combination to alternate between the. two different languages you use easily.  
You could also choose a number of languages in the language rotor you mostly 
use. Since then you have languages in the rotor you never have chosen & you 
can’t remove them.  It’s a mess.  But Accessibility don’t listen to 
multilanguage folk like us who must use several languages, some of us for work. 
 The Greek language for instance is still broken since Sierra and they haven’t 
fixed it although I’ve been begging for 5 years now.  It’s a joke.  Please 
please write to them to fix language facility on mac.

Andrew

> On 27 Aug 2021, at 19:30, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Huh.  I wonder what it needs to detect the language.  I’ve tried restarting 
> VO and also rebooting the computer, and it still doesn’t change languages.
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> It should when it detects a different language.
>> Mine does.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 27, 2021, at 09:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve done that, but the voice doesn’t change.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try pressing VO + CMD + Shift, and then use the Right/Left arrow key to 
>>> Voices, then press Up arrow to "Automatically Select Based On Language”.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2021, at 09:24, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me how to turn on automatic language switching in high 
>>> Sierra?  I’ve looked in Speech and verbosity in VO settings, but am not 
>>> seeing an option for it.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Voiceover doesn't seem to track Braille display in Big Sur

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I have noticed that in Big Sur whenever I read text, let’s say in an email 
body, using my Braille display, voiceover cursor doesn’t follow my Braille 
display.  This is annoying since if I want to switch to using speech, I find 
Voiceover starts reading from the beginning of the text where I started using 
the Braille display.  Is there a way of tethering voiceover to Braille display 
movements as it was before?

Andrew

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Re: bootcamp windows partition file size choosing?

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Hi,

When I was installing Windows 10 in Bootcamp on my mac running Catalina, I had 
to ask a sighted person to help me move the slider for how big I wanted the 
partitions to be.  It would appear this part of the installation process was 
inaccessible.

Andrew

> On 14 Jul 2021, at 00:22, The wolf  wrote:
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> Hello one other thing that I have been meaning to ask the group when setting 
> up boot camp how do you choose the bootcamp partition size when using the 
> boot camp utility?  thanks  Hank
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Authentication screen throws my Braille display out

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Hi,

Could anyone confirm this behaviour?

I use Smart Beetle 14 cell Braille display with my new macbook air M1.  
Whenever I read an email using just Braille or an article on a web page, after 
a minute or so the authentication screene comes on and throws my Braille 
display to the beginning of the page so that I have to look for the place I was 
at when the screen appeared.  This is highly annoying and irregular.  I’ve been 
looking for a setting which I might adjust to prevent it from happening but to 
no avail.  What is your experience of this?

Andrew

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Re: Missing mailboxes

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Thanks, John, for your reply.  In the end I had to disable & enable again my 
ICloud account, which much to my relief brought all the mailboxes back into 
Mail app.  Weird though.  It took me 2 hours to work it out.  Surely it 
shouldn’t be like that?

Andrew
> On 3 Jul 2021, at 15:50, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Make sure you have the mailbox table expanded. Sometimes, the account 
> collapses or you might have to look further down the list of mailboxes and 
> expand an item down there. 
> 
>   If it’s your unified mailboxes, you have to bring them back.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Mac for the Blind
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> 
>> On Jul 3, 2021, at 7:35 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have just set up my new macbook air M1 and connected to my existing ICloud 
>> and Google accounts, both IMaP.  However, several of my mailboxes I have set 
>> up under Icloud account are missing.  Where can they have gone?  any clues?
>> 
>> Thanks, andrew
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Missing mailboxes

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Hi,

I have just set up my new macbook air M1 and connected to my existing ICloud 
and Google accounts, both IMaP.  However, several of my mailboxes I have set up 
under Icloud account are missing.  Where can they have gone?  any clues?

Thanks, andrew

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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

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Thanks, Donna, I’m sorry to say I’ve had to return the macbook air to be 
replaced.  Trying to erase the macintosh hd, and as you said, the OS couldn’t 
be reinstalled.  What a horrible journey.  Sleepless night and I’m in turmoil.

Thanks again - glad not to be the only one. :)

Andrew
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 22:51, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Andrew,
> 
> This is exactly what happened to me on my first Mac that I ended up returning.
> 
> Be careful about reinstalling the operating system.  When I tried to do that, 
> for the very same reason you are thinking about it, I erased the disk, but 
> then received an error message that the operating system could not be 
> reinstalled.  When I googled it, I learned that this was a known problem that 
> occurred on some Macs.  I would encourage you to try everything else before 
> erasing and reinstalling the OS.
> Good luck,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 3:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>> angry.
>> 
>> Thanks for your swift response.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>>> 
>>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>>> 
>>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>>> anything similar happen to me.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
>>>> to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
>>>> can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
>>>> person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
>>>> now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
>>>> just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
>>>> voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating 
>>>> this business now.  Surely these things should work?
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew 
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I think so.  I too thought about this when I got stuck having migrated my 
data from the previous macbook air on which I used Alex whereas voiceover 
always defaults to uK Daniel as per location.  However it was taking so long, I 
thought it couldn’t have been the case.  But maybe…. Anyway, it’s too late now 
as everything went pear-shaped.  I was on the phone with 4 different Apple 
support people and they couldn’t get the macbook to erase the volume in order 
to reinstall macos Big Sur.  In the end all was lost and volumes disappeared.  
So I’m sending it back to Apple to be replaced.  Once the replacement’s 
arrived, I will set it up as new and won’t migrate any data.  I will try and do 
it manually.  I’m exhausted. :)

Andrew
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 23:17, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> I’m wondering, what voice are you using for voiceover? Were using one that 
> had to be downloaded?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 4:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>> angry.
>> 
>> Thanks for your swift response.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>>> 
>>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>>> 
>>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>>> anything similar happen to me.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
>>>> to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
>>>> can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
>>>> person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
>>>> now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
>>>> just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
>>>> voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating 
>>>> this business now.  Surely these things should work?
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew 
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Tim,

Thank you for your patient response

I did get to recovery and tried to erase the hard drive and then reinstall from 
scratch.  I think I may have messed things up since I got a message the start 
up disk couldn’t be verified.  So I was stuck.  I tried again to play around 
with volumes and finally reinstalled the OS but now I’m stuck on setting up 
home folder as the setup assistant insists my name is not acceptable and 
prompts me to choose another but to no avail.  So I think I shall have to call 
apple support.

Thanks again, Tim
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 22:02, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> Yes, you can definitely get into Recovery on your own.  In fact, the Recovery 
> stuff on the M1 Macs is even more accessible than that of the older Intel or 
> PPC Macs.
> 
> To get into Recovery on an M1, power it down, then wait a few seconds, then 
> hold down the power button, and keep holding it down through the startup 
> chime and for another seven or eight seconds, then release the power button.  
> Wait a few seconds, then press cmd-f5 to turn VO on.  You should be at the 
> Boot Picker at this point. Interact with the Recovery options area, then 
> press the Continue button.  You should be good from there.
> 
> The only difficulties you might have is trying to power it down when VO is 
> not working.  You may need to use the force power down by holding down the 
> power button for six seconds or so.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:54 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer 
>> savvy so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the 
>> operating system.  How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive 
>> to reinstall?  Can I do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, 
>> having used a mac computer for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so 
>> angry.
>> 
>> Thanks for your swift response.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>>> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd 
>>> key and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
>>> 
>>> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in 
>>> the VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at 
>>> all when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
>>> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
>>> behaving like you’ve explained.
>>> 
>>> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
>>> anything similar happen to me.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed 
>>>> to migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I 
>>>> can’t hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted 
>>>> person trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate 
>>>> now.  Two hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I 
>>>> just clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting 
>>>> voiceover on silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating 
>>>> this business now.  Surely these things should work?
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew 
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Re: SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Tim, I will ask them to help. \they’re are not terribly computer savvy 
so it makes things hard.  I think I may have to reinstall the operating system. 
 How do I get into recovery partition and erase the drive to reinstall?  Can I 
do this without sight on new macbook air?  Honestly, having used a mac computer 
for 15 years, all I could do now is cry. I’m so angry.

Thanks for your swift response.

Andrew 
> On 14 Jun 2021, at 21:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It is the same command.   You can use either cmd-f5, or hold down the cmd key 
> and triple press the power button/fingerprint sensor.
> 
> If you have a sighted person around, have them check if audio is muted in the 
> VoiceOver Utility under the Sound category.  Do you hear any noise at all 
> when you attempt to turn on VoiceOver?
> 
> I have heard of someone else having issues with their M1 MacBook Air, but 
> that was after setup was complete, and I don’t believe that VoiceOver was 
> behaving like you’ve explained.
> 
> I have both an M1 MacBook Air and an M1 MacBook Pro here and have not had 
> anything similar happen to me.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2021, at 2:29 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed to 
>> migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I can’t 
>> hear voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted person 
>> trying to help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate now.  Two 
>> hours of trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I just 
>> clarify: is there a new shortcut key combination for starting voiceover on 
>> silicon macbook air? Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating this business 
>> now.  Surely these things should work?
>> 
>> Andrew 
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SOS can't hear voiceover on my new macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just set up my new silicon macbook air.  Everything went well, I managed to 
migrate my info from old macbook air and when the restart happened I can’t hear 
voiceover at all.  It’s not muted, it is ticked as the sighted person trying to 
help me says but I can’t hear speech. I’m just desperate now.  Two hours of 
trying to fix this & I can’t have speech. Why? Could I just clarify: is there a 
new shortcut key combination for starting voiceover on silicon macbook air? 
Does command+f5 still work?  I am hating this business now.  Surely these 
things should work?

Andrew 

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touch ID location on latest macbook air

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It sounds naive to ask but where would i find touch ID on latest macbook air? 
Is it readily identifiable? I’ve searched on the internet but found no 
indication as to where you put your finger for your print to be read.

Andrew

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