Re: Safari sweet spot

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ian,
After setting the shortcut, did you check that it showed up in the table? When 
setting a shortcut in the Keyboard Commander, you simply press the appropriate 
key without the Option key.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 15 Jul 2020, at 13:55, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I went into the keyboard commander tab and added a command. I tried command 
> right option w and command right option a, linking both to the menu command 
> to set sweet spot. When I tried to apply the command on the Amazon search box 
> I just get the error sound effect.
> Cheers, Ian
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Anne Robertson]

Andy, as far as I know, no Apple computers come with a built-in DVD drive 
anymore.
Cheers,

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> On 27 Jun 2020, at 11:47, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Simon.
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> I like the idea of having a CD/DVD reader, though I hardly ever use that.

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Re: Pages and custom template

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Leo,
When you open Pages, you shouldn’t have to press anything. The application 
should open with a blank template. Cmd-n is the command to show the Template 
Chooser.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 25 May 2020, at 03:09, Leo Bado  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> it kind of worked, but not as I expected. Whenever I launch pages, I press 
> command plus n, but instead of opening my custom template, the template 
> chooser shows up, so I press escape and press command plus n again, and 
> finally pages opens my custom template. I don't know why...
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo
> On 5/23/2020 12:50 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> Hello Leo,
>> In Pages Preferences, I think you have to click on Change template and 
>> reselect your preferred one then press Choose. Close Preferences and your 
>> chosen template should be shown. Close the window and quit Pages, then 
>> reopen Pages and all should be well.
>> This works for me under Mojave, and for my husband under Catalina.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 May 2020, at 12:54, Leo Bado >> <mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> For some time I haven’t used pages, but I noticed it got updated several 
>>> weeks ago. During these days I opened the app to jot down a few 
>>> instructions, and I came across with a pesky issue. Pages doesn’t open the 
>>> custom template that I’ve been using for long time as my default template, 
>>> and instead of that, it shows me the template chooser. I went to 
>>> preferences to check if the last update had messed with some of my 
>>> customized settings, but everything was as it’s supposed to be set. 
>>> However, I repeated the steps to set again my favorite template as my 
>>> default template, but pages keeps ignoring this and every time I launch the 
>>> app and press command plus n, it shows me the template chooser.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Is this a known issue on this last update? or Am I missing something here?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Best,
>>> 
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Re: Pages and custom template

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Leo,
In Pages Preferences, I think you have to click on Change template and reselect 
your preferred one then press Choose. Close Preferences and your chosen 
template should be shown. Close the window and quit Pages, then reopen Pages 
and all should be well.
This works for me under Mojave, and for my husband under Catalina.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 19 May 2020, at 12:54, Leo Bado  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> For some time I haven’t used pages, but I noticed it got updated several 
> weeks ago. During these days I opened the app to jot down a few instructions, 
> and I came across with a pesky issue. Pages doesn’t open the custom template 
> that I’ve been using for long time as my default template, and instead of 
> that, it shows me the template chooser. I went to preferences to check if the 
> last update had messed with some of my customized settings, but everything 
> was as it’s supposed to be set. However, I repeated the steps to set again my 
> favorite template as my default template, but pages keeps ignoring this and 
> every time I launch the app and press command plus n, it shows me the 
> template chooser.
> 
>  
> Is this a known issue on this last update? or Am I missing something here?
> 
>  
> Best,
> 
>Leo
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Re: How do I check the time on the mac?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Shirley,

With the keyboard commander turned on, Option-t gives you the time. In 
VoiceOver Utility, in the Commanders category, you can choose whether to use 
the right or left Option key. However, on a laptop, the only sensible choice is 
the righthand Option key since there is no Control key on that side so the 
Option key can’t really be used for the VoiceOver keys.
VO-Shift-k toggles the keyboard commander on and off.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 22 May 2020, at 15:29, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> i am looking to know how i check what time it is on my mac? what is the 
> command to do this?
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Re: commands for navigating the web

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Shirley,
You open the web rotor by pressing VO-u. The rotor is like a series of 
drop-down menus, each listing all the items of a particular type such as links, 
headings, form controls etc.
To find commands, press VO-h-h and you’ll have the full list of VoiceOver 
commands. If you want to find commands relating to links, just type the word 
link and the list will shrink to show only commands with the word link in them.
Some commands have no shortcut assigned to them, but you can always add one 
using one of the commanders.
You should explore the VoiceOver Utility as it has lots of settings for you to 
customise your Mac.
Cheers,

Anne

 


> On 16 May 2020, at 10:44, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> 
> how do I navigate the web ona mac? what are the most useful commands, for 
> reading the text of websites, going to a link, like moving to it, and is the 
> rotar better to use than just navigating the site without it? if so how do 
> you turn it on?
> shirley
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>  Virus-free. www.avg.com 
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Re: Bug in new version of Numbers on OS X

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Phil,

I haven’t much in the way of spreadsheets on my computer so I asked my husband 
to test the latest Numbers on his, which is a recent MacBook Pro running 
Catalina. For him, VoiceOver will read column headers for the first 22 columns, 
and row headers for the first 44 rows. This is true both for navigating using 
the VO keys, and VO-Shift-t.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:09, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else using numbers noticed a terrible bug in tables row and Collin 
> had a reading? In the new version 10 column labels are only read for about 
> the first seven or eight columns and after that numbers does not see the 
> column labels anymore. Similarly with row header labels the first Tanner so 
> Rose the labels are red, but after that numbers does not see the row headers. 
> I have use the various voiceover commands to read column headers and row 
> headers and it simply does not see anything there
> This is happening in all of the tables in my spreadsheet application, 
> approximately four tables like this are affected. I don’t think it’s my 
> installation, that is, a problem in the spreadsheet. I think that it is a 
> problem with the new release of version 10 for numbers. Can anybody else 
> verify a problem with table row and header label reading after the first 
> seven or eight columns in the first dozen or so rose? 
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Re: Coronavirus impact: Apple moves WWDC to online format, citing 'current health situation' | Fox News

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,

Well, things are much worse here now. All restaurants, bars, cafés, cinemas and 
theatres are closed as of midnight last night. Only essential travel is 
permitted. However the local elections are going ahead. We are certainly living 
in interesting times.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 15 Mar 2020, at 03:24, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
>  
> It is that,
>  
> I’m currently living in a city where a shooting of 51 people happened a year 
> ago.
>  
> That’s also a pretty weird situation to be remembering
> Especially when people are continually looking over their shoulders for 
> something to happen again.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2020 3:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Coronavirus impact: Apple moves WWDC to online format, citing 
> 'current health situation' | Fox News
>  
> Hello Simon,
>  
> I live in one of the worst affected departments in France and the hospital 
> where I was recently treated for cancer is where the first local case was 
> diagnosed. My husband is an independent English teacher and already some of 
> his classes have been cancelled. It’s a very weird situation to be living 
> through.
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 14 Mar 2020, at 10:52, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Barry,
>  
> Yeah this virus is going to cause some slow downs globlely for a while,
>  
> So anything anyone was expecting to purchase this year, chances are you’ll 
> need to wait a couple of extra months.
>  
> New Zealand will be some what restricting international travel in to the 
> country as of Sunday night  and anyone coming in will go in to a somewhat 
> forced 14 quaruntine / isolation
>  
>  
> And I know we’re not the first to do this but it will get worse before it 
> gets better.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
> Sent: Saturday, 14 March 2020 6:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Coronavirus impact: Apple moves WWDC to online format, citing 
> 'current health situation' | Fox News
>  
>  
> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/coronavirus-impact-apple-moves-wwdc-to-online-format-citing-current-health-situation
>  
> <https://www.foxnews.com/tech/coronavirus-impact-apple-moves-wwdc-to-online-format-citing-current-health-situation>
>  
> 
> Barry Hadder
> barretthad...@my.unt.edu <mailto:barretthad...@my.unt.edu>
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Re: Coronavirus impact: Apple moves WWDC to online format, citing 'current health situation' | Fox News

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,

I live in one of the worst affected departments in France and the hospital 
where I was recently treated for cancer is where the first local case was 
diagnosed. My husband is an independent English teacher and already some of his 
classes have been cancelled. It’s a very weird situation to be living through.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 14 Mar 2020, at 10:52, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Barry,
>  
> Yeah this virus is going to cause some slow downs globlely for a while,
>  
> So anything anyone was expecting to purchase this year, chances are you’ll 
> need to wait a couple of extra months.
>  
> New Zealand will be some what restricting international travel in to the 
> country as of Sunday night  and anyone coming in will go in to a somewhat 
> forced 14 quaruntine / isolation
>  
>  
> And I know we’re not the first to do this but it will get worse before it 
> gets better.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
> Sent: Saturday, 14 March 2020 6:29 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Coronavirus impact: Apple moves WWDC to online format, citing 
> 'current health situation' | Fox News
>  
>  
> https://www.foxnews.com/tech/coronavirus-impact-apple-moves-wwdc-to-online-format-citing-current-health-situation
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Barry Hadder
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Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,

If you have an iPhone, you might try Seeing AI to read the screen to see what’s 
happening.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 25 Nov 2019, at 07:58, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
>  
> Great to know it’s happening to others,
>  
> But I’m not getting voiceover speaking either so either it’s taking a long 
> time to start up or something more is happening,
>  
> But until I get vo running I’m kind of stuck as to where I am in the start up
>  
> Thanks though I’ll keep giving it a try.
>  
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> Subject: Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave
>  
> Hello Simon,
>  
> My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
> before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for 
> the network password, you should be good to go.
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Morning world,
>  
> I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have 
> Which  had Mojave installed on to it,
>  
>   I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
> from the net
> I’m getting all counts of nothingness,
>  
> I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still 
> get nothing.
>  
> I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
> the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when 
> I try to run them.
>  
> I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
> and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.
>  
> Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get 
> this thing setup?
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Re: downloading Mac OS Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,

My husband had a similar problem last Friday. He had to try a couple of times 
before Cmd-r would work. After the language chooser screen, if it asks for the 
network password, you should be good to go.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 25 Nov 2019, at 03:46, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Morning world,
>  
> I’ve just wiped a mac book pro I have 
> Which  had Mojave installed on to it,
>  
>   I completely wiped it and now when trying to do a command plus r to install 
> from the net
> I’m getting all counts of nothingness,
>  
> I’ve left it 5 minutes before trying CMD plus f5  to start up vo and still 
> get nothing.
>  
> I’ve got a number of Mojave installers but it would appear Apple have killed 
> the certs on older installers as these of mine give a corruption message when 
> I try to run them.
>  
> I’m not wanting to install Catalina as the machine is being used as a server 
> and my server version is for Mojave so I need to install that before updating.
>  
> Anyone got an installer I can grab a copy of or other ideas on how to get 
> this thing setup?
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> Cheers.
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Re: Voiceover focus question

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Hello Joseph,

In System Preferences, go to Notifications where you’ll find a table of all the 
applications that put out notifications. You can select the type of 
notification you want for each application or turn them all off. I have them 
turned off for everything.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 21 Nov 2019, at 01:14, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> Sorry yes if I am in safari with mail open and I get a new email it takes 
> VoiceOver to that message previeww and stops reading my safari window if I am 
> doing a read all for example. Other than do not disturb is there a way around 
> this?
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>> I expect this is the Mail notifications you are talking about? After you 
>> hear about the new e-mail message are you still in Safari, or has focus 
>> moved somewhere else? There might be a way to have Notifications not speak, 
>> or you can turn on Do not disturb settings. 
>> I am being vague here, but if you need more specifics just ask.
>> Jonathan 
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Re: Does anyone have experience with iExplorer?

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Hello Marcia,
Here is one way of using iExplorer under Catalina.
Connect your iPhone to your Mac using a cable.
Quit Photos if it gets launched automatically!
Launch iExplorer.
In the toolbar, select List view in View Mode and stop interacting.
Navigate right to the sidebar.
Interact and navigate down to Media.
VO-j three times to go to the table containing all the media.
VO-Down Arrow to Podcasts.
Right arrow alone to expand Podcasts (it might jump back up to the top of the 
table).
The elements within Podcasts are: plists, jpegs and mp3s.
VO-Down Arrow to the first mp3 (it will have a filename that is all numbers).
Press Spacebar to hear which one it is and Spacebar again to close QuickLook.
Open the contextual menu with VO-Shift-m and go down to Export to folder… (The 
short cut does not work!).
Press Return and a dialogue box appears.
Select an existing folder or create a new one then click the Export button.
By selecting multiple rows, you can export them all at once.
Warning: iExplorer runs a background activity called Matching tracks to iTunes 
which can take quite a long time. When it’s completed, the Media contents pane 
is replaced by a list of all the media files on the iPhone with an option to 
export them all. This will only disappear if you navigate left to the sidebar, 
interact and do VO-Up Arrow, VO-Down Arrow back to Media. VO-j three times will 
then work as described.

I hope this helps.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 10 Nov 2019, at 22:51, Marcia Yale  wrote:
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> I have a bunch of podcasts saved on my iPhone and was told that iExplorer
> would give me access to the files so I could move them to, say, either
> DropBox or my computer. However, I can't seem to get anything to happen with
> it and the only information I can get from it comes from the menus. If
> anyone has successfully used it, I'd be grateful for assistance. On the
> other hand, if you know of another program which would give me access to
> items such as podcasts or books stored on my phone I'd really appreciate the
> information. I have tried iExplorer on both my Mac and my PC with the same
> negative results.
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Re: VO Announcing Colors Of Elements In Safari

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Hello Pete,

I don’t know how to recognise the colour of an element in Safari, but VO-Cmd-k 
will find the next change of colour and VO-Cmd-s will find the next element 
with the same attributes. Unfortunately, VO-t doesn’t seem to work at all in 
Safari.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 24 Oct 2019, at 23:31, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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> I’m in a couple of web-based football pools, and each week need to pick the 
> entries of teams I think will win. Both web sites color your pick one way, 
> and the one you don’t want a different way. I hope this is not too dumb a 
> question, and I’m sure it’s possible I am missing something, but is there any 
> way you can query what VO is on to tell what color the element is? I can’t 
> seem to find this in any of the menus. Those of you who use Windows screen 
> readers know that it’s quite easy to read color attributes. I hope there is a 
> way VO can do this as well. 
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> Thanks for any help,
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Re: Shutting Down Quick Nav When Not in Safari

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Hello Dave,
The disclosure triangle is immediately to the right of hotspots. If the label 
is there, just press VO-Space on it.
Barry is right to recommend medium verbosity. You should only use low verbosity 
in applications you know inside out. As someone who’s been using a Mac for over 
twenty years. I still have my default verbosity set to medium, but have a low 
verbosity activity for Mail and Numbers, since I only use Numbers for filling 
in a crossword grid.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 13 Oct 2019, at 01:44, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Ann, Sorry, but I do not find any disclosure triangle in the Voiceover 
> Activities dialog. I created an activity, and then have choices for 
> verbosity, web, and hot spots. Nowhere is there a disclosure triangle.
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Re: Shutting Down Quick Nav When Not in Safari

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Hello Dave,

You need to expand the disclosure triangle, additional settings to include, by 
pressing VO-Space. Quick Nav is there.
Cheers,

Anne

 

> On 12 Oct 2019, at 04:42, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Tim,
> I had Safari open, and launched the VO Settings. Under Activities, I added a 
> new activity. However I didn’t find any reference to Quick Nav or 
> Single-Letter in either the Navigation, General, nor Rotor areas. Any ideas 
> where to look?
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Re: Command to Read Entire Document

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Hello Julie,


> On 25 Sep 2019, at 10:36, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> I find in pages when I do VO a it reads the current page but then I need to 
> hit it again to get the next page etc - with vo locked it is just a case of 
> hitting a but it gets on my nerves after a while when I am reading a very 
> long document 
A.R. Pages is horrible for reading so when, for instance, I need to read 
through a completed translation, I just copy the whole thing into TextEdit and 
read it there. This also has the advantage of not reading the changes when I 
have track changes turned on.
You can set a short cut for the service New TextEdit window containing 
selection which means you just have to do Cmd-a and the said short cut.
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Re: Shortcuts for difficult words

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Hello Ian,
Go into System Preferences/Keyboard and select the Text tab. You’ll see a 
substitutions table below which are the Add and Remove buttons. Just click the 
Add button and entre the shortcut you want followed by the word or phrase you 
want to appear.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 19 Sep 2019, at 13:29, Ian Harrison  wrote:
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>   Dear All,
> I’m doing a degree module on Yugoslavia which has really difficult names and 
> places to spell. What is the most efficient way to get these correct when 
> doing an essay?
> Is it worth buying something like Text Expander or would it be easy to 
> implement with the Mac’s own tools?
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Re: Getting the focus to the body field

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Hello Hem,

If you are talking about reading a message, then VO-j should work for you.
If you are writing a message, VoiceOver will just say “Tab” if you have arrived 
in the body of the message and you’ll have to delete that character.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 18 Sep 2019, at 19:55, hemachandran karah  wrote:
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>   Dear all,
> 
> I still find it hard to get to the body field by pressing the tab button 
> repeatedly. Am I doing anything wrong? Kindly let me know.
> 
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Re: Time and date stamp on messages

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Hello Hem,
If you are talking about the information displayed in the messages table, just 
interact with the table and position VoiceOver on either the sender or subject 
field. You can then move up or down through the messages only reading that 
field.
Cheers,

Anne




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> Dear all,
> 
> I do not know yet how to make voiceover stop announcing time and date of the 
> messages. Please help me.
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Re: Content areas

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

The VO cursor now covers the whole content area rather than being inside it. 
Some people who are new to the Mac have trouble getting the idea of interacting.

Cheers,

Anne

 


> On 16 Sep 2019, at 00:58, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> OK, I am confused. Running the latest Mojave when a web page loads after I 
> have entered it into the address bar, I get VO on the "Web Content" which 
> means the VO cursor is surrounding the entire page. From there, I can ask for 
> the first Heading, landmark or link and get there. I can also use one of the 
> interact actions, and review the entire thing.
> In terms of language usage, I get mixed results, but then I am most likely 
> going to a non-roman system when viewing something in another language.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Anne Robertson > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> My normal practice is to jump to the first heading. You can also get the web 
>> page statistics with VO-Shift-i, then you’d have an idea what you’re up 
>> against.
>> The VO cursor used to land in the content area, but it stopped doing that a 
>> while ago.
>> Having used VoiceOver since its first appearance, I just adapt to each 
>> change as it happens. Some things are good, some are bad, and some are good 
>> for some and bad for others. I hate the new way of changing voices as I have 
>> to do it countless times every day to change languages. However, I realise 
>> I’m in a minority there.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Sep 2019, at 15:11, Nebojša Tasić >> <mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> synchronize keyboard focus and VO  cursor is checked, but problem still 
>>> exists.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15.9.2019. 13:47, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>>> Open VoiceOver utility with VO-F8. 
>>>> In the navigation category, you should have initial VO cursor is Keyboard 
>>>> focus. Also, you probably want to have synchronize keyboard focus and VO  
>>>> cursor.
>>>> Jonathan 
>>>> 
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Nebojša Tasić >>>> <mailto:nele.ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am new to Mac and I use Voice Over.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I open a web page focus of the cursor is not on the web content 
>>>>> area. I must find the web content area with VO + Right Arrow and go into 
>>>>> it with VO + Shift + Down Arrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The same situations is with other programs. When I open a folder in 
>>>>> Finder the focus is not on icon view, so I have to enter it every time I 
>>>>> open a new folder or go back to the previous one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is pretty annoying. So, could you tell me how to set focus on the 
>>>>> main content area?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nebojsa
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Re: Content areas

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My normal practice is to jump to the first heading. You can also get the web 
page statistics with VO-Shift-i, then you’d have an idea what you’re up against.
The VO cursor used to land in the content area, but it stopped doing that a 
while ago.
Having used VoiceOver since its first appearance, I just adapt to each change 
as it happens. Some things are good, some are bad, and some are good for some 
and bad for others. I hate the new way of changing voices as I have to do it 
countless times every day to change languages. However, I realise I’m in a 
minority there.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 15 Sep 2019, at 15:11, Nebojša Tasić  wrote:
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> 
> 
> synchronize keyboard focus and VO  cursor is checked, but problem still 
> exists.
> 
> 
> 
> On 15.9.2019. 13:47, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Open VoiceOver utility with VO-F8. 
>> In the navigation category, you should have initial VO cursor is Keyboard 
>> focus. Also, you probably want to have synchronize keyboard focus and VO  
>> cursor.
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Nebojša Tasić >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All!
>>> 
>>> I am new to Mac and I use Voice Over.
>>> 
>>> When I open a web page focus of the cursor is not on the web content area. 
>>> I must find the web content area with VO + Right Arrow and go into it with 
>>> VO + Shift + Down Arrow.
>>> 
>>> The same situations is with other programs. When I open a folder in Finder 
>>> the focus is not on icon view, so I have to enter it every time I open a 
>>> new folder or go back to the previous one.
>>> 
>>> This is pretty annoying. So, could you tell me how to set focus on the main 
>>> content area?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> 
>>> Nebojsa
>>> 
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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

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Hello Dave,

I presume you’ve tried all the other English-language voices available to 
download from Apple? I can’t stand Alex but I use good old Fred most of the 
time. I also use Fiona as my system voice.
In English, we have a huge choice of voices. I’m much more limited when it 
comes to French voices but Thomas suits me fine.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 15 Sep 2019, at 06:35, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Wow! These voices are extremely good. The children’s voices are so realistic, 
> but I don’t think I’d want to have one for all the time. Thanks for passing 
> this along.
> 
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Re: numpad commander doubts

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Hello Hem,

I think you’ll find that Quick Nav is what you’re looking for. You can 
circulate through characters, words, lines, sentences and paragraphs.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 11 Sep 2019, at 12:41, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
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> Hi all,
>  
> I have begun using the numpad commandder. However, I haven’t figured out how 
> I could make use of it while navigating text on pages. Otherwise, are there 
> easy keyboard commands to navigate text. I like to perform navigation 
> commands such as previous sentence and the like with less strain. 
>  
> I will be grateful for a help.
>  
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Re: Beginners question

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Hello Petrus,

Here’s a solution for you.
In VoiceOver Utility, go to Commanders and select Keyboard commander. This is 
the one that uses the righthand Option key. Click the Add button and press  a 
key that is not already used by the commander.
VO-Right Arrow once to the menu button, click it and press sp for speech, then 
right arrow and navigate down to decrease rate.
Press Return, then repeat the process for Increase rate.
The new commands will show up in the table.
Cheers,

Anne






> On 6 Sep 2019, at 04:29, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I just looked there and there was nothing about speaking rate, it was only 
> web related rotor options. 
> Thanks anyway, I was thinking of looking there.
> 
>> On 6/09/2019, at 2:15 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> very quickly.
>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility vo-8 (though this isn’t working for me right now)
>> 2. Switch to web area command-5
>> 3. switch to the rotor tab.
>> 
>> You will get directions from there.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I had a look  but couldn’t work out how to add functions to the rotor?
>>> Thank you for any help,
>>> 
 On 6/09/2019, at 1:09 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Dave,
 
 It's all a matter of priority and preference.  Yes, it worked in the past, 
 and yes, it still works.  It just is a slightly different key combination. 
  Making the rotor less key strokes, from their research, probably affected 
 more people and would make more aspects of VO easily manipulated.  
 Changing the voice parameters is less often necessary, whereas, changing 
 the rotor is more commonly done.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 4, 2019, at 21:03, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
 Aha. That makes all the difference. Drat to Apple for changing something 
 that worked just fine in the past.
 
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Re: Copying text from a web site

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dan,

In Pages, for instance, you may wish to select text between two headings. You 
can use the rotor to find the first heading and set a hotspot, then use the 
rotor again to find the heading where you wish to end the selection and set 
another hotspot. Go to the first hotspot and press Ctrl-Space, then go straight 
to the second hotspot and press Ctrl-x-x and the text in between will be 
selected.
You can’t press VO-Return at the first hotspot, jump to the second and press 
VO-Return again and have the intervening text selected.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 1 Sep 2019, at 20:41, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> How is this different in function then the vo+return at start and end of 
> desired text to select it ?
> 
> A cmd+c will copy it for use elsewhere.
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Leo,
>> 
>> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
>> you do the following:
>> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
>> <http://cecimac.net/KeyBindings.zip <http://cecimac.net/KeyBindings.zip>>
>> 
>> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
>> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
>> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
>> navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
>> text in between wil be selected.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
>>> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
>>> copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
>>> addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in 
>>> a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is the 
>>> basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this probably 
>>> cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>   Leo.
>>> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>>>> Hi Leo,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>>> 
>>>> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
>>>> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
>>>> until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet 
>>>> spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an 
>>>> answer.
>>>> 
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Hem.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Leo
>>>> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
>>>> Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you 
>>>> can errow to select as much as you want.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>>   Leo.
>>>> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>>>> Dear Jonathan,
>>>> 
>>>> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
>>>> Kindly let me know.
>>>> 
>>>> Hem.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>>> Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>>> 
>>>> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics 
>>>> or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not 
>>>> work.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
>>>> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
>>>> 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while

Re: Copying text from a web site

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Leo,

You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if you 
do the following:
Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
>

In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
text in between wil be selected.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to copy 
> text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in addition, as 
> far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in a text and 
> automatically select the text between them. Since this is the basic concept 
> behind the function that we are looking for, this probably cannot be done on 
> Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> Hi Leo,
>>  
>> Thanks for the clarification. 
>>  
>> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
>> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading until 
>> a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet spots 
>> and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an answer.
>>  
>> Take care,
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>   
>>  On Behalf Of Leo
>> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>  
>> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. Just 
>> make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you can 
>> errow to select as much as you want.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> Dear Jonathan,
>>  
>> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? Kindly 
>> let me know.
>>  
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>   
>>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>  
>> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics or 
>> tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not work.
>>  
>> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
>> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
>> 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
>> dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
>> selecting.
>>  
>> Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
>> about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.
>>  
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello everyone,
>> I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
>> Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following 
>> these steps:
>> First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
>> through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the 
>> selection, and
>> I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
>> between  mark place and current position of the cursor." 
>> Can this be done somehow with voice over?
>> If someone had information about it, it would be great!
>>  
>> Best,
>>Leo.
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Re: External DVD/CD Drive is not Recognized

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dave,
If your DVD drive is not recognised, there will be no entry in System 
Preferences. Did you make sure that the drive is Mac compatible?
Cheers,

Anne




> On 31 Aug 2019, at 07:26, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Where is the “CD/DVD Category” in System Preferences?
> 
> 
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Re: Envelopes in Pages with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ryan,

You need to do a lot more interacting to get to where you can fill in the 
addresses.
There appear to be three elements on the page: a decorative square; a text box 
and the body.
The text box is in the upper lefthand corner. You can get this information by 
pressing VO-Cmd-F3 while in the text box. Pressing the same command again will 
give you further information about the text box. There is placeholder text in 
the text box which will disappear when you type over it. This is the sender’s 
address. As always, VO-t will give you the details of the font.
The Body area is for the addressee. Once again, there is placeholder text.

For myself, I prefer to print envelopes from the Contacts application. It 
allows you to use the cards already in there and saves a lot of messing about.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 22 Aug 2019, at 21:12, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> Can anybody give me any tips of using the Envelope templates in Pages with 
> VoiceOver?  I just tried the modern envelope template.  I find Summary and I 
> interact with it.  When I turn Quicknav off and use the up and down arrow 
> keys, iit tells me that I am moving something up or down depending on which 
> arrow key I press.  It gives me a measurement such as 0.5 inches.  What is 
> the best way to fill in the to address and return address?
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Re: An editing annoyance

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Hello Kristeen,

Your friend could try going into System Preferences/Keybord and selecting Text, 
then unticking the tickbox Correct spelling automatically.
Cheers,

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> On 11 Aug 2019, at 04:31, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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> A friend’s computer makes a sound that sounds something like a drop of water 
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Re: doc files in pages

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Hello Lorie,

You need to interact with the item named Body which is the text area. You 
should then be able to read the file.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 9 Aug 2019, at 23:23, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm trying to read a doc file on my Mac in Pages. I'm probably doing 
> something wrong. I open the document vo-arrow around to where it says 
> "document" and interact. all I get is a summary, just a bunch of info about 
> the document at which pages gets stuck. how do you read a doc file in pages?
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Re: New subscriber with a question about voiceover and safari

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Hello Greg,

In Safari, there are several ways of selecting and copying text.
Always interact with web content to use the VO keys.
You can select text by pressing VO-Return to start selecting, navigate right 
using the VO keys, then press VO-Return to stop selecting and copy with Cmd-c.
In the VO Utility, make sure that Lines are included in the Rotor. In Safari, 
using Quick Nav, select Lines and use Shift-Down Arrow to select text.
If all else fails, you still have the command Copy the last phrase to the 
clipboard (VO-Shift-c).
Cheers,

Anne




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> Hello all,
> I am a new member on this group. I have been using a mac for a few years now. 
> I have a MacBook air. One area where I really struggle with the mac is with 
> voiceover and safari. General browsing is okay but when I try to do things 
> like copy text, I have an extremely hard time. It seems as if focus is all 
> over the place. I will find what I want to copy and when I go to start 
> selecting I find myself in a completely different part of the browser. Does 
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Re: How to Get TextEdit to Display "Documents" Folder when Opening

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Craig,

As far as I know, you can’t do this. It did it when iCloud Drive was in use 
because the Documents folder was in iCloud Drive, ready to be shared with other 
devices. However, in the File menu, you can find Recents which will offer you 
the documents you’ve been working on lately.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 28 Jul 2019, at 06:03, Craig Werner  wrote:
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> Hello, everyone.
> 
> When I first got my Mac, and even when I briefly experimented with
> iCloud Drive, I could have sworn that when I opened TextEdit, it
> displayed the files listed in the "Documents" folder.  Of course, the
> option to open a new document with "Command-N" was also visible.
> Recently, I disabled iCloud Drive, and now, TextEdit opens directly in
> an untitled document.  In other words, the "Documents" folder contents
> are not immediately displayed.  An Apple Accessibility representative
> told me TextEdit is not supposed to show all the documents on opening,
> and he knows of no way to enable this behavior.  I can certainly live
> with the way it is behaving now, but can anyone shed light on this
> question?  It is as if TextEdit has forgotten the path to the folder
> now that it has been restored to local,that is, non-iCloud Drive,
> use.
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> Thank you.
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Re: O friendly PDF reader for Mac OS

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Hello Paul,

Have you tried opening the PDF in Preview, then selecting all the text with 
Cmd-a and copying it into a Pages document? I have no PDFs with tables to test 
whether this works but it’s worth a try.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 4 Jul 2019, at 20:35, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Further to my plea of a few days ago   for a VO friendly PDF reader for Mac 
> OS I read the discussion on PDF Pen. This seems pretty good but the standard 
> version costs £69 from the Apple App Store and is far more functional than my 
> needs. I just want to reliably read PDF, especially tables,  like Voice Dream 
> Reader on IOS. I have no need to Edit PDF.
> So is there something cheaper and less functional?
> Many thanks.
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Re: VO friendly PDF reader for Mac OS

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Hello Tim,

Do you know whether PDFPen reads French accented letters correctly? Preview 
used to do this properly, but in Mojave, it’s completely broken. I tried Skim, 
too, but the problem remains.
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> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I haven't seen any specific documentation related to VO.  I primarily still 
> use PEFPenPro version 6 as well.  I used 7 for a while but had purchased 6 
> through their web-site instead of through the AppStore so updates weren't as 
> seamless.  Somewhere in my MacOS upgrade processes, I ended up reverting back 
> to version 6 and haven't bothered upgrading yet myself.  Regarding editing 
> PDF's, I haven't done much of that either.  I use it a lot for working within 
> editable forms and find it very accessible and useful.  I also use it when 
> reading more complicated PDF's as it tends to read things in a better order 
> than Preview does.  Using the right tool for the job is handy.  Some PDF's 
> I'll just read in Preview, others with PDFPenPro, some sites I use Safari, 
> others I'll use Chrome.  Whatever works best for the task.
> 
> Sorry, not much help with editing yet.
> 
> Later...
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Re: iBooks

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Hello Ben,

Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s very 
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> On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV  wrote:
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Re: Shortcut to Navigation Bar in iTunes

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Hello E.T.,
I’ve never heard of such a shortcut. If you’re talking about the row that 
starts with the Back button, going to first item then doing VO-Down Arrow takes 
you there.

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Re: Calendar Question

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Hello Steve,

What you can do is enter an element of the event in the Search field, do 
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> On 5 Jun 2019, at 18:12, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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> Is it possible to display only dates with appointments, or is there another 
> easy and accessible way to move among appointments with a shortcut key? One 
> of my family members swears they have put appointments on our family 
> calendar, I've heard the notifications spoken that they've made entries on 
> that calendar, but I can't find the appointments on the dates where I know 
> they should be. This makes me think they're in another month. But who wants 
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

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Hello Leo,

What I do when reading through a translation with change tracking on, is to 
select all and paste into a TextEdit document. That way, I can read through the 
whole thing as it would appear with all the changes accepted.
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Anne




> On 1 Jun 2019, at 16:23, Leo Bado  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
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> My question is simple:
> 
> How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?
> 
>  
> I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under the view 
> menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level as the default 
> verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for something in voice over 
> utilities that can be related to comments or annotations but I haven’t found 
> anything.
> 
>  
> Does someone know how to do this?
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Re: BBC and safari.

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No. I’m in France and haven’t had to do that.
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> Hi!
> SO i don’t need to create an account on their site to listen?
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> 
>> 30 maj 2019 kl. 08:42 skrev Anne Robertson :
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>> I don’t listen to sport on the BBC, but I do listen to Radio4 sometimes. 
>> There is normally a Listen Now link on the page with the day’s schedule.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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>>> On 29 May 2019, at 21:02, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Hi!
>>> Are there any listen live links on the bbc website?
>>> I have now set my vpn to UK so that i can follow there sports but can’t 
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Re: BBC and safari.

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I don’t listen to sport on the BBC, but I do listen to Radio4 sometimes. There 
is normally a Listen Now link on the page with the day’s schedule.
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Anne




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Re: Audacity for Mac

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Hello Lorie,

Just copy Audacity.app then press command-shift-a to open the Applications 
folder and paste it in there.
I find Audacity to be quite complicated to use and rarely need to use it. I 
haven’t yet looked for a tutorial on it, but if I find one, I’ll give you the 
link.
Cheers,

Anne




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> I just downloaded Audacity for Mac. I opened the disc image and I can find 2 
> things in there if I tab or vo right and left I get, "audacity" and 
> "Applications" what am I supposed to do to install it?
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello Tim,

Don’t feel bad about it. So many things have changed over the years it’s hard 
to keep up.
While teaching VoiceOver, I regularly discover features I wasn't aware of.
It was Canadian music, specifically Acadian music, that I was converting 
recently. I find their version of French fascinating.
Cheers,

Anne



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> Sorry ET.  In the past, you could not convert purchased content.  Apple must 
> have changed this at some point and I missed the memo.  Sorry for leading you 
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello E.T.,


> On 8 May 2019, at 18:14, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Note: These settings do not apply to songs downloaded from the iTunes Store."

I think this means that all songs downloaded from the iTunes Store will have 
the M4A format, whatever your import settings may be.
My converted purchased albums play fine from the USB key I put them on.
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello E.T.,

Glad to be of help.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 May 2019, at 17:52, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Well Anne, wow. This works wonderfully. Thanks so very much. I'm not 
> finished as I need coffee but this works so well it won't take long, :)
> 
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> On 5/8/2019 8:11 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> Hello E.T.,
>> You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
>> In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button and 
>> select MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK button and 
>> you’ll be out of Preferences.
>> you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File menu. Go 
>> down to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.
>> After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
>> Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
>> Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 versions 
>> will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new folder 
>> somewhere else such as in Documents and paste them there.
>> You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or iTunes 
>> will get very upset!
>> I did this very recently with purchased music.
>> Cheers,
>> Anne
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello E.T.,

You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button and select 
MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK button and you’ll be out 
of Preferences.
you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File menu. Go down 
to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.
After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 versions 
will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new folder somewhere 
else such as in Documents and paste them there.
You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or iTunes will 
get very upset!
I did this very recently with purchased music.

Cheers,

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Re: New List member, buying a new Macbook

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Hello Ben,

The MacBook Air is a great little machine, but if you can afford to go for a 
bigger SSD, it’s worth it.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 6 May 2019, at 05:30, B G  wrote:
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> Hi there,
> Ben here, just joined the list, so go gently on me please. *smile*
> I was wondering if the list had any tips on buying a new MacBook. I'm
> thinking of finally taking the plunge into the world of iOS and indeed
> Mac OS software development. So far the MacBook Air (2018) with 16GB
> ram and 128SSD seems the most attractive choice. I have however been
> informed that 128gb ssd won't be adequate for xcode and associated
> tools on top of the usual load of software and stored data. What does
> the list think?
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Re: Kindle

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Hello E.T.,
The only choice is iOS as the Mac version isn’t accessible.
Cheers,

Anne




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>   I should have paid attention when this was discussed. :( In brief, which is 
> more accessible, iOS or Mac? Either audio or braille as I will try both and 
> see what I like best,
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Re: Switching among documents on pages?

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European keyboards have 79 keys whereas American-style keboards have 78. The 
Return key on a European keyboard is an oddly-shaped key that extends over two 
rows and is narrow at the bottom. The American Return key is two key-widths 
wide rather like the right shift key which is just below it.
Although all keyboards have their key attributions printed on the keys, you can 
set any keyboard to another layout. The keyboard on my MacBook Air is printed 
as an azerty keyboard which is the French standard, but I switch between the 
French and British layout regularly as it’s easier to type the Accented lettrs 
on the azerty layout but I prefer the numbers on the British layout as the 
French ones require the shift key.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 2 May 2019, at 23:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Naw. Actually, normal is a non-existent state. :)
> 
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> On 5/2/2019 2:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Normal is relative :).  European keyboards have a different layout than most 
>> North American keyboards with respect to their special keys.  The QWERty 
>> part is the same, but differences elsewhere.  Normal is only normal if it's 
>> in your experience.
>> Sorry.  I hope that didn't sound offensive.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On May 2, 2019, at 15:06, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>   Sounds like a normal keyboard to me.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 5/2/2019 12:50 PM, Leo Bado wrote:
>>> Guys, actually I got this problem solved yesterday, and yes,  command plus 
>>> accent switches between documents, however, in my case accent key is 
>>> exactly above of tab key, so I don't know exactly what is my keyboard 
>>> distribution.
>>> Leo Bado
>>> El 02/05/2019 a las 11:58, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries escribió:
 In Pages to switch between open documents I use command+accent which is 
 immediately to the right of left shift key.  I never used command+tilde.
 
 Andrew
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> Hello,
> this is driving me absolutely insane.
> I want to switch among two, three or more documents on pages, using a 
> shortcut.
> When I took a look on google, people's instructions are to hit command 
> plus tilde, but I just can't figure out which key is this "tilde" on my 
> keyboard.
> So, what should I do to do what I want?  create a shorcut?  modify a 
> particular shorcut?
> I'm using a macbook pro late 2013.
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Re: PrimePhonic an app for a Classical Music lovers

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Hello Mary,

Something I find strange about Apple Music is that not all artists whose music 
can be bought from iTunes is available on Apple Music. I’ve recently become 
fascinated by Acadian music and have bought several albums from iTunes, but my 
favourite Acadian musician, Cayouche, can’t be found on Apple Music despite 
having 5 albums in the iTunes Store.
Cheers,

Anne




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> I am basically happy with Apple Music, except when it comes to classical, one 
> of my favorite genres. I recently read about an app called prime phonic, and 
> I just downloaded it and signed up for my free 14 day trial. 
> You don’t have to give them a credit card for the 14 day trial, so if you 
> tried and don’t like it, you don’t need to do anything. But if you want to 
> keep it, then you have to subscribe within the 14 day trial time time limit.
> I just got it today, and I think there are some Accessibility issues having 
> to do with whatever shows up on the opening screens, such that you can flip 
> through and hear nothing from voiceover, but then flip back and hear what the 
> text is. But the search and browse and tabs etc., those are all accessible. 
> And they work well. If you are a classical music lover, you should really get 
> this app and take it for a 14 day free trial. The subscriptions are eight 
> dollars for the so-called premium subscription, which gives you 320 KBBPS 
> which is the same as Apple I think. Or $14 a month for lossless streaming of 
> albums that they have available with that format. If you are willing to pay 
> for a whole year, you can get a 17% discount off of either service. I think 
> it’s definitely worth checking into. I have not found a service like Spotify 
> Apple Music etc., that is so dedicated for classical listeners. So if you 
> were one of those, check it out.
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Re: Mueller reportc

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Hello Sarah,

What problems are you having copying links? Here are some suggestions:
To link to the page - Cmd-shift-i. Opens a new message in Mail.
To copy a link you find on a page - VO-Shift-u to read the link, then 
VO-Shift-c to copy it to the clipboard. You can then paste it into a message.

Cheers,

Anne




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> I have the one from the Times.  Problem is that it’s rather complicated to 
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> that, I’ll be happy to pass the link along.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2019, at 5:32 PM, Michael Marshall  
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>> got the link? would love to try OCR
>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 3:23 am, Phil Halton  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does anybody know how I can download the Mueller report? When I go to the 
>>> DOJ website all I get is blank pages. It looks like a PDF file made up of 
>>> JPEG‘s. Any help? Sent from my IPhone
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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

I read ebooks using the Daniel voice all the time. I also listen to Audible 
books and sometimes, the Daniel voice does a better job than the human reader. 
However, when a good human reader does the job, it’s definitely better.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 16 Apr 2019, at 06:26, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
> Braille display.
> 
> However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
> Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.
> 
> Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
> available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
> book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
> just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
> it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
> beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.
> 
> After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
> version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
> book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.  
> 
> You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
> wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
> that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
> experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.
> 
> Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
> narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
> a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
> dollars.
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Re: Is there a way to record videos on my mac?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Shirley,

The two applications that come to mind are QuickTime Player and Photo Booth. 
You’ll find them in your Applications folder.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 11 Apr 2019, at 13:27, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> Is there software on the mac for making youtube videos?
> or do I need to download something?
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Re: How do I navigate in safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Gena,

I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking. When accessing the rotor using 
VO-Cmd-Arrow keys, you can’t type anything. You just navigate through the 
headings, links, etc.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 Apr 2019, at 12:58, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
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> Hello Ann,
> 
> Thanks, I’ll try VO+I it sounds great. I must admit that I didn’t check but 
> can you use first second letter navigation when accessing the rota via the 
> arrow keys?

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Re: Silly Question

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Paul,

In VoiceOver Utility, under General, is the tickbox Allow VoiceOver to be 
controlled with AppleScript ticked?
 If not, none of the scripts executed by this kind of command will work.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 8 Apr 2019, at 09:26, Paul Parravano  wrote:
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> Hi Anne,
> 
> I cannot get this to work as you describe, with keyboard commander activated. 
> I am using Mojave.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 07:18, Anne Robertson > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Right option key with t will work if you have activated the Keyboard 
>> Commander. The toggle for this is VO-Shift-k.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 04:38, Petrus Tuerlings >> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Menu extras is easy enough so I’ll do it that way, I’ve been asking 
>>> Siri for the time if my phone wasn’t handy. 
>>> Now I noticed my clock is set to 12 hour time so tomorrow when I have more 
>>> time I will see if I can change it to 24 hour time as that has always been 
>>> my preference. I’m not going to ask how to do it yet as I’m curious to see 
>>> if I can work it out. 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/04/2019, at 2:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   No. But. Both items are on the menu extras, accessed with VO m m. You 
>>>> also can get the time I believe with option t.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/7/2019 7:18 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have a silly question. Is there a Voice Over key combination to get 
>>>>> voice over to read out the time or battery level? I Remember on my old 
>>>>> windows computer it used to be the JAWS key with F12, for the time. Is 
>>>>> there a similar key combo for voice over? I’ve used VO K for keyboard 
>>>>> help and I have looked in the voice over commands using VO HH but can’t 
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Re: How do I navigate in safari

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Gena,

I do the same as you, but if I don’t know the type of element I’m looking for, 
I use VO-i (the item chooser) and type a few letters. I’m also starting to use 
the new facility of VO-Cmd-Arrow keys to navigate by rotor setting.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 7 Apr 2019, at 22:13, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
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> I prefer VO + U because if you select the type of element you desire you can 
> type characters to quickly jump to those elements you are looking for. For 
> example, when I find an item I might wish to purchase on the Amazon site. I 
> Press VO+U and left or right to headings, then type des and the description 
> heading is the first one. So I just hit enter and I am ready to read the 
> items description. Which is a long way down the page. Going by heading from 
> the top is usually abut 7 headings down. Yesterday I wanted to download a 
> file and I simply could not find it’s download link. I was reading all this 
> guff and got quite frustrated. Anyway I had read that the latest version had 
> 103 in it’s filename. So I VO+U and on links typed 1 and a mass of links 
> vanished and the first link was the download link I was looking for. Hitting 
> enter took me directly to the link. Note that it takes the focus to the link. 
> It does not activate it like some screen readers do.
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Re: Silly Question

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Right option key with t will work if you have activated the Keyboard Commander. 
The toggle for this is VO-Shift-k.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 Apr 2019, at 04:38, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Thanks, Menu extras is easy enough so I’ll do it that way, I’ve been asking 
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> Now I noticed my clock is set to 12 hour time so tomorrow when I have more 
> time I will see if I can change it to 24 hour time as that has always been my 
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> can work it out. 
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>> On 8/04/2019, at 2:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>   No. But. Both items are on the menu extras, accessed with VO m m. You also 
>> can get the time I believe with option t.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>> 
>> On 4/7/2019 7:18 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
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>>> I have a silly question. Is there a Voice Over key combination to get voice 
>>> over to read out the time or battery level? I Remember on my old windows 
>>> computer it used to be the JAWS key with F12, for the time. Is there a 
>>> similar key combo for voice over? I’ve used VO K for keyboard help and I 
>>> have looked in the voice over commands using VO HH but can’t find anything.
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Re: A list of vo commands?

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Hello Shirley,

You can find all the VO commands by pressing VO-h-h. They are organised into 
categories with submenus. After the definition of each command comes its 
keystroke. There are commands that have no keystroke assigned, but you can 
assign any of these to a commander action such as keyboard commander or 
trackpad commander.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 7 Apr 2019, at 14:25, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to get a list of vo command keystrokes?
> I am new to the mac! I know vo command key and k starts keyboard help. Are 
> there websites or a website where there are some tutorials on using vo with 
> the mac?
> shirley
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

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Hello Eric,

Sometimes, it helps to bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and either click or 
double-click with VO-Shift-Space or the trackpad if you don’t have the trackpad 
commander enabled.

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> On 1 Apr 2019, at 03:33, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not 
> I interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating 
> this is.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>> experience but not always. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what 
>>> I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 Ok,
 I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
 edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the 
 screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and 
 their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
 today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
 input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed 
 to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even 
 disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He 
 tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t 
 accept input.
 Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
 Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
 details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
 there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
 suggestions on that also welcome.
 thanks.
 Eric
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Re: Languages, the Orbit Reader and VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

Thank you so much for this. I had removed Braille screen input from the rotor, 
but when I put it back and turned to that setting in the rotor, I was able to 
change both input and output to French so it should work with German for Mike.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 30 Mar 2019, at 23:32, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I am not sure about output. For input, if you add a German keyboard to your 
> IOS device in Language / Region settings, then when using the Braille 
> onscreen input a two finger swipe up changes the input. I have successfully 
> used this to switch between Hebrew and English. I know on the Mac, 
> command-space can be mapped to switch languages, I don't know if this same 
> keyboard combination works on IOS. If so, it would probably be space-1-7 
> followed by space to switch languages.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:50 PM, Anne Robertson > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mike,
>> 
>> Annoyingly, it seems that you have to switch the iPhone language to change 
>> the Braille. I have a Focus 14 paired with my iPhone and I tried changing 
>> the VoiceOver language and the input keyboard to French, but the only 
>> Braille options were English language choices. I know the iPhone works fine 
>> with French Braille so it seems the only option is to change the iPhone 
>> language for the whole system.
>> To be fair, this doesn’t take very long, it’s just annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 15:38, Michael Busboom >> <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I recently purchased an Orbit Reader 20 and have successfully paired it 
>>> with my iPhone.  However, I have only read material in English thus far.  
>>> If I switch VO to read German, will I automatically get German Braille, or 
>>> do I need to download Braille tables from Orbit Research?  Does VO 
>>> automatically output in German computer Braille when I switch to German 
>>> from within the rotor options?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much, and have a great weekend, all of you,
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: Languages, the Orbit Reader and VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mike,

Annoyingly, it seems that you have to switch the iPhone language to change the 
Braille. I have a Focus 14 paired with my iPhone and I tried changing the 
VoiceOver language and the input keyboard to French, but the only Braille 
options were English language choices. I know the iPhone works fine with French 
Braille so it seems the only option is to change the iPhone language for the 
whole system.
To be fair, this doesn’t take very long, it’s just annoying.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 29 Mar 2019, at 15:38, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I recently purchased an Orbit Reader 20 and have successfully paired it with 
> my iPhone.  However, I have only read material in English thus far.  If I 
> switch VO to read German, will I automatically get German Braille, or do I 
> need to download Braille tables from Orbit Research?  Does VO automatically 
> output in German computer Braille when I switch to German from within the 
> rotor options?
> 
> Thanks so much, and have a great weekend, all of you,
> 
> Mike
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Re: vo+t and other issues

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jürgen,

Yes, I’m using the latest Mojave update and having no problems.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 24 Mar 2019, at 10:03, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hello Anne,
> 
> that‘s what >I get as well but I haven‘t installed the latest Mojave update 
> yet. That‘s why I asked for the OS version. But if you use the latest update 
> everything should be as expected.
> 
> All the best 
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
> 
>> Am 24.03.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Anne Robertson :
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> In TextEdit, using an RTF document, VO-t gave me this:
>> Bold, italic helvetica, aligned left
>> When I do VO-Cmd-F3, I get this:
>> Covers most of the scroll area.  120 millimetres wide, 124 millimetres tall
>> When I press VO-Cmd-F3 a second time, I get this:
>> 0 millimetres right, 0 millimetres down from top left corner of scroll area
>> This is the position of the item within the printable area, so does not 
>> include the margins.
>> 
>> In Pages, VO-t gave me this:
>> References 9 point helvetica a shade of blue, align natural
>> References is the name of the style.
>> VO-Cmd-F3 gives me this:
>> Covers most of the page 16, summary: international affairs. Nature, 141:947, 
>> 1938. Burton Tells of Crime Drive. Cleveland Press, June 22, 1938. WHYTE, L. 
>> L. An ethical declaration for the times. Nature, 141:827, 1938. PRICE, W. A. 
>> Dental Infections, Oral and Systemic. Cleveland, Penton, 1923.
>> 
>> page.  17 centimeters wide, 10.15 centimeters tall, scaled
>> 
>> A second press of VO-Cmd-F3 gives me:
>> 2 centimeters x and 447.5 centimeters y, scaled
>> 
>> The Y coordinate shows the distance from the top of the document.
>> 
>> Our book on Pages goes into detail about how to understand page layout in 
>> Pages.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Mar 2019, at 03:12, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I'm getting the same thing. The help still indicates it's supposed to read 
>>> all text attributes. I wonder if this is a bug.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 9:26 PM, Donald Goosens  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Vo+t is supposed to give you information such as color and background 
>>>> color, font style and type and maybe what point size such as 12pt. When I 
>>>> press  vo+t VoiceOver only reads 16pt Black no matter what the actual 
>>>> color is. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also what are the commands to see where I am at on the screen or in a 
>>>> window?  It appears that on a pc I can get more precise information using 
>>>> JAWS.  I am looking for a solution so I can check page layout.  I am 
>>>> hoping that I do not have to install boot camp and use JAWS to solve this 
>>>> problem on my iMac. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Donald
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Re: vo+t and other issues

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

In TextEdit, using an RTF document, VO-t gave me this:
Bold, italic helvetica, aligned left
When I do VO-Cmd-F3, I get this:
Covers most of the scroll area.  120 millimetres wide, 124 millimetres tall
When I press VO-Cmd-F3 a second time, I get this:
0 millimetres right, 0 millimetres down from top left corner of scroll area
This is the position of the item within the printable area, so does not include 
the margins.

In Pages, VO-t gave me this:
References 9 point helvetica a shade of blue, align natural
References is the name of the style.
VO-Cmd-F3 gives me this:
Covers most of the page 16, summary: international affairs. Nature, 141:947, 
1938. Burton Tells of Crime Drive. Cleveland Press, June 22, 1938. WHYTE, L. L. 
An ethical declaration for the times. Nature, 141:827, 1938. PRICE, W. A. 
Dental Infections, Oral and Systemic. Cleveland, Penton, 1923.

 page.  17 centimeters wide, 10.15 centimeters tall, scaled

A second press of VO-Cmd-F3 gives me:
2 centimeters x and 447.5 centimeters y, scaled

The Y coordinate shows the distance from the top of the document.

Our book on Pages goes into detail about how to understand page layout in Pages.

Cheers,

Anne






> On 24 Mar 2019, at 03:12, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I'm getting the same thing. The help still indicates it's supposed to read 
> all text attributes. I wonder if this is a bug.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 9:26 PM, Donald Goosens  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Vo+t is supposed to give you information such as color and background color, 
>> font style and type and maybe what point size such as 12pt. When I press  
>> vo+t VoiceOver only reads 16pt Black no matter what the actual color is. 
>> 
>> Also what are the commands to see where I am at on the screen or in a 
>> window?  It appears that on a pc I can get more precise information using 
>> JAWS.  I am looking for a solution so I can check page layout.  I am hoping 
>> that I do not have to install boot camp and use JAWS to solve this problem 
>> on my iMac. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Donald
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Re: Apple mail

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Lorie,

Having interacted with the message list, you should be able to do VO-Right 
Arrow to move from column to column.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 5 Mar 2019, at 23:42, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> after you interact with the message list or table, how do you navigate to the 
> collumn you want to sort by? I've been going into the menu bar, arrowing 
> right to "view" and then arrowing down to "sort by" I hit vo-space on that 
> and then arrow down once to "date". I can check that box in whatever way I 
> choose but it doesn't stay checked.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie

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Re: Apple mail

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mary Jo,

On my British keyboard, the backslash is two keys to the right of semicolon. 
However, you can find out what any key is by using VO-k to open the Keyboard 
Help and pressing each key in turn. It also allows you to test any VO commands.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 6 Mar 2019, at 03:46, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
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> Where is the backslash?
> 
> 
> Mary Jo Partyka
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Re: Apple mail

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Hello Lorie,

What I do in Mail is to interact with the message list and navigate to the 
column I want to sort by. I then do the following series of commands:
VO-Shift-Backslash
VO-Space Bar
VO-Shift-Backslash.
Then if I want the sort to go in the opposite direction, I repeat the process.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 5 Mar 2019, at 03:24, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> classic view, I think.
> My Youtube Channel:
> "www.youtube.com/loriemccloud 
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>> Hello Lori,
>> 
>> Are you using the standard or the classic view in Apple Mail?
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> can somebody please detail for me how to have my mail be sorted by date? I 
>>> think I'm doing it correctly but it doesn't say set. if I go intoanother 
>>> mailbox and come back it's off again. 
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Getting Older Version Of File Using Time Machine Under Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Pete,
Navigate to the file in question then launch Time machine.
Use the Window chooser to select Time Machine Controls.
You should find the Previous button and to the right of that a vertical slider 
showing the date and time of each backup.
Interact with the slider and navigate to the version you want to restore.
Stop interacting and click the Restore button.
I’m using the latest version of Mojave so I can’t imagine why you’re not seeing 
the same controls as I am.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 3 Mar 2019, at 16:58, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I seem to remember this having come up before, but didn’t pay attention 
> because I didn’t need to. Now, however, I’m trying to recover an older 
> version of a file using Time Machine, and I can’t figure out how to get to an 
> earlier version. It’s in my Documents folder. I can navigate to the file OK, 
> and can start Time Machine, but when I go to the Window Chooser menu and 
> bring up the Time Machine controls window, all VO seems to see is the 
> Previous button, nothing else. And when I try to press the button, nothing 
> seems to happen. Does anyone have suggestions on how I can get this to work?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> Pete De Vasto
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Singing the praises of FineReader Pro

[Anne Robertson]

Hello list,
My husband bought me a rather obscure double CD recently and I wanted to be 
able to read the very extensive information in the enclosed booklet. The print 
is very tiny, pale on a dark background and printed over photos of landscapes. 
To complicate matters further, some of the songs are written in a dialect of 
Canadian French that creates French forms of English words. I’m talking about 
Acadian French. Although there were a few problems with the OCR, they were very 
few and my sighted husband was able to correct them very quickly. He said they 
only occurred where artistic wavy lines on the backround pictures intersected 
with letters.
I’m really impressed.
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Re: Removing lines from a forwarded email

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Hello Paul,

If you are wanting to change the quote level, you increase it with 
Cmd-apostrophe and decrease it with Cmd-Option-apostrophe. Otherwise, you can 
just select all the text you want to put at the top level then go to the top of 
the document and paste and match style (Cmd-Option-Shift-v.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 24 Feb 2019, at 18:11, Paul Parravano  wrote:
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> Hello list,
> 
> Can some one remind me please if there is a keystroke that will remove the 
> quote lines on the left side of an email that has been forwarded one or more 
> times?
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Recommendations for Mac Antivirus Software

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Like you, Tim, I don’t bother with any antivirus stuff. I haven’t had any 
problems in the twenty or more years I’ve been a Mac user.
If receiving files from a PC and then sending them on to another PC, I scan 
them with ClamXAV so as not to transmit any viruses to someone else.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 19 Feb 2019, at 17:25, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I prefer to go commando.  None of that anti-virus stuff cluttering up my 
> system and trying to slow it down.  Now, that's just me.  If others feel more 
> safe with malware protection, then go for it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 19, 2019, at 09:14, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> wrote:
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>   I am still using this app. Maybe I should read reviews but do not plan to. 
> (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/19/2019 7:00 AM, Craig Werner wrote:
>> Hello, everyone.
>> I have been using ClamXAV for my Mac antivirus protection.  Since
>> ClamXAV has recently gone to a subscription-based pay plan and since
>> the product is not gaining the best reviews from the tech sites I
>> read, I wonder what list users recommend.  I am looking for reliable
>> detection, thorough cleaning and quarantining, and solid VoiceOver
>> compatibility.
>> Thank you for all help.
>> Craig
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Re: Reading The Requested Update

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Hello,

In these situations, I always click on Later, then go to the appropriate place 
to look for system updates. I don’t like to agree to anything without knowing 
what it is.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 18 Feb 2019, at 18:57, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> From TIme to time i got a notification that updates Are available, and my 
> High sierra asked me to restart and install, or later, but i can not read 
> what are these updates?
> THe most important thing is that i do not want to Upgrade to 10.14 at all  on 
> my Studio Machine, so am afraid to install any updates and discover that this 
> is the New OS.
> so, can anyone tell me how can i read this update packedge before accepting 
> it?
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Re: Getting started with Braille input?

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Hello Harry,
With your Braille display connected, open VoiceOver Utility and select Braille 
in the side bar. Select the second tab, Displays then navigate right to the 
button Assign Commands. Press VO-Space Bar and you’ll find a table showing the 
commands for your particular display.
You can assign your own commands or change existing ones that don’t suit you. 
When you’ve finished looking at them, click the Done button.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 15 Feb 2019, at 07:38, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thank you, Michelle, I’d forgotten about using that. Still, it seems really 
> strange that there is no document or website laying out the common shortcuts 
> (as there are so many for using non-Braille Bluetooth keyboards)..
> Regards
> Harry
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>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 04:30, Michelle emails  wrote:
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>> hi 
>> 
>> Try spacebar and braille k. dots 1 3 and vo will tell you what the keys do 
>> when you press them. to exit the haelp menu press spacebar and dots 1 and 2. 
>> it will say stopping keyboard help. 
>> 
>> Michelle 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On 15 Feb 2019, at 6:35 am, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Thanks - I have paired the Orbit Reader 20 now with the MacBook Pro, but 
>>> how do I find out which Braille keys I should use to navigate, execute 
>>> commands etc?
>>> Regards
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 14 Feb 2019, at 15:01, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
 
 did you already pair the device on your mac? on the voice over preferences 
 you can see braille settings. You can also use your usb cable and press 
 braille terminal on your display braille. 
 
> Il giorno 14 feb 2019, alle ore 09:52, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>  ha scritto:
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> Can anyone help me to use my Orbit Reader 20 (which has dots 7 and 8 
> either side of the Space bar) with my MacBook Pro 2013? I’m a beginner 
> and have just got to grips with using my BraillePen Slim with my iPhone. 
> But wherever I look for Mac and Braille, I only get the usual non-Braille 
> shortcuts with no reference to dots 1-6 nor dots anything! How do I even 
> get started? 
> Thanks
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Re: menu extras

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Lorie,
The page up and page down keys do exactly what their names suggest, but this is 
just a visual effect. They do not move any cursors. However, they are used with 
VO commands, as are the Home and End keys.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 10 Feb 2019, at 01:07, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> while I'm on the subject of these keys, do the page up and page down keys do 
> anything at all on a Mac? they don't seem to work as they did in windows 
> either in a browser or in an editing program.
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Re: menu extras

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Hello Jonathan,

I use those general commands a lot.
Ctrl-F2 - Apple menu.
Ctrl-F3 - Dock.
Ctrl-F5 - Tool bar.
Ctrl-F8 - Menu extras.
Beware of Ctrl-F1 as it toggles keyboard access on and off. Here we disable 
that command then use the same keystroke for Speak selected text.
I find it useful to know these kinds of commands just in case VoiceOver fails 
me for some reason. However, problems like that are very rare these days.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 Feb 2019, at 16:29, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Anne,
> 
> I had completely forgotten about that command even though it has been 
> available longer than VoiceOVer. It works so nicely on an older keyboard (or 
> a PC keyboard)  where the F keys are in blocks of four.
> F keys are 
>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:57 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>> Hello Lorie,
>> 
>> You can get to menu extras using Control-F8. `you may need to add the FN key 
>> if you haven’t switched it in System Preferences.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Feb 2019, at 07:47, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> is there any way to get to menu extras on a Mac other than holding down vo 
>>> and pressing m twice? often when I do that, vo will say "menu extras" twice 
>>> and not show me anything.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: menu extras

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Hello Lorie,

You can get to menu extras using Control-F8. `you may need to add the FN key if 
you haven’t switched it in System Preferences.
Cheers,

Anne




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Re: COpying from PDf book

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Hello Ramy,

Have you tried using the VO command to copy the last spoken phrase to the 
clipboard? The command is VO-Shift-c.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 7 Feb 2019, at 10:20, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Thanks so much for helping .
> And waiting any feedback from others here.
> thanks so much 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 11:19 AM, RATTRAY, JULIE > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think with Prismo it keeps original pagination but of course you would 
>> need to double check this - I am also a researcher so I appreciate the issue 
>> for you here and I am sure I resolved a similar issue like this in the past 
>> using Prismo but I could be wrong.
>> 
>> I think unless you have a PDF editor there won’t be a perfect solution - 
>> others on this list may know of a good PDF editor which works with VO that 
>> would let you do this - and I would be interested in the possibilities 
>> Best wishes
>> Julie
>> 
>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>> School of Education 
>> Durham University 
>> Leazes Road 
>> DURHAM 
>> DH1 1TA
>> 
>> Tel: 0191 3348249 
>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>> Twitter @joolsled 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Feb 2019, at 09:15, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, but the issue here is that, i need to know the exact page number to 
>>> insert it in my Research, and if i will convert it to text, i will lose the 
>>> correct number of page.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 7, 2019, at 11:10 AM, RATTRAY, JULIE >>> > wrote:
 
 Have you tried to convert the pages to text using Prismo 
 Best wishes
 Julie
 
 Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
 Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
 School of Education 
 Durham University 
 Leazes Road 
 DURHAM 
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 Tel: 0191 3348249 
 Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
 Twitter @joolsled 
 
 
 
> On 6 Feb 2019, at 22:00, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> Am using The Preview App to read a book in PDF format,  This book has 
> some Important Quotations which i need to Copy in my PHD, but using 
> Arrows, can not move me between words etc etc, just i  can move between 
> lines and pages.
> any Professional Ideas on how to achieve this?
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Re: cannot edit body of a message

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

I don’t think quick Nav ever used to turn itself off, but I’m not a big user of 
quick nav anyway.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 27 Jan 2019, at 19:04, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> 
> Usually this means that you have quicknav on. Remind me friends, in older 
> versions, if you interacted with a text area wouldn't quicknav turn itself 
> off?
>
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:17 AM, Michelle Stevens > > wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> Michelle Stevens here, I cannot edit the body of my email using MacBook Air 
>> and latest  system update.  How can I fix this. The only way I can write in 
>> the body of the email is to turn vo off.  
>> 
>> Any help please?
>> Michelle Stevens
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Re: How do I access applications

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Hello Shirley,

Command-Shift-a to open the Applications folder is not a Voiceover command. It 
works whether VoiceOver is on or off.
All the VoiceOver Commands can be found by holding down the VoiceOver keys 
whether you use Control and Option, or the caps lock key, then pressing the 
letter h twice.
Standard shortcuts such as Command-Shift-a are shown in the menus beside the 
relevant menu item. So, in the Finder, to find the shortcuts for opening 
specific folders, do VO-m to open the Apple menu, then use VO-Right Arrow 
several times to reach the Go menu, then VO-Down Arrow to the appropriate 
command. After the command name, you’ll hear the shortcut.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 22 Dec 2018, at 23:32, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> Thanks Laurie. Vo is on. So its command key  control shift A?
> shirley
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Lorie McCloud 
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 9:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: How do I access applications
>> 
>> if you have voice over on, you should be able to press command-shift-A and 
>> it'll put you in Applications.
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Shirley Healy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do I access a list of applications on my mac?
>>> and when I get to one I want to open, say for example my mail ap, how do 
>>> you open it up so you can use it
>>> shirley
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>>>  
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Re: interacting with tables with new pages update

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brooke,

I haven’t any documents with multipage tables to test with, but if you’d care 
to send me one, I’ll try to help. My e-mail is:
a...@anarchie.org.uk

Cheers,

Anne



> On 13 Dec 2018, at 22:16, Brooke Jostad  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> Before the latest pages update, navigating multipage tables seemed more 
> simple. Now, I can't get to the next page in a table. I try navigating to the 
> next page but pages brings me back to the top of the table every time. Does 
> anyone else have this issue?
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Re: Pages

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You can save the layout you prefer as a template and make it the default 
template when you open a new document.
Our book covers all of this and more.

>

Cheers,

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> On 30 Nov 2018, at 16:46, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> hi,
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> Note that this is a per document thing.  I don't believe that it is an all 
> encompassing action.
> 
> Later...
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> On Nov 30, 2018, at 08:14, Uzzy Galiara  > wrote:
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> Thanks this has been a great help.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 30 Nov 2018, at 14:30, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Thanks, Tim!  I never use them, so I'll get rid of them, to. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 8:21 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Hi,
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>>> Donna's solution works well, but there is actually a way to remove the 
>>> headers and footers from your document.
>>> 
>>> • Interact with the Toolbar.
>>> • Select the Document radio button.
>>> • Stop interacting with the Toolbar and navigate to the Formatter area.
>>> • Interact with it, then interact with the Scroll area.
>>> • uncheck the Show Headers and Show Footers checkboxes.
>>> • Done.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 06:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> I don't think there is, but if you interact with the body, you can 
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>>> Cheers,
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 Is there any way of changing the way a pages document functions? I want it 
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Anne Robertson]

If you mean, can you read his ID and password, no. They are the two things you 
need to be able to connect. Your friend will need someone to read them out to 
you. However, the ID never changes, it’s just the password that changes with 
each session.
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> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Aha, will give it a try, 
> just a quick question here, in the scroll eria that represents his computer, 
> is it accessible when the VOice over speaks on his computer?
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>> Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
>> You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even 
>>> his Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i 
>>> should do?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
>>>> the slave computer.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>> 
>>>>> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app 
>>>>> to be able to help him from my Home.
>>>>> I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
>>>>> connecting.
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

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Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
Cheers,

Anne




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> Hi:
> 
> i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even his 
> Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i should do?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
>> the slave computer.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
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>>> be able to help him from my Home.
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>>> connecting.
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

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I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on the 
slave computer.
Cheers,

Anne




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Re: Getting rid of interference by Daniel on my MacBook Pro

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mike,
It may sound a bit drastic, but I had to do this to get rid of voices I didn’t 
want.
Open your internal HD and go to System>Library>Speech>Voices and delete the 
voices that are causing trouble.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 22 Nov 2018, at 01:32, Michael Busboom  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> Ever since installing the latest Mac/OS update, I have been unable to get rid 
> of Daniel, one of the language selections.  My problem is that I want to use 
> Alex exclusively for English, but in programs such as Mail, certain prompts 
> and key echos are voiced by Daniel, and I don’t know why.
> 
> Any help would be most gratefully and gleefully accepted!
> 
> To those of you celebrating Thanksgiving tomorrow, I hope that your day is 
> enriching and tasty.  Although I am a US citizen, I have lived in Austria for 
> all of my adult life.  Right now, however, I am visiting family and friends 
> here in the States, so my Thanksgiving holiday will be special since I will 
> for once be spending it in the country where I was born.
> 
> Cheers and thanks in advance,
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Re: the last Ipad with standard headphone jacks?

[Anne Robertson]

It sounds as though what you really need is a MacBook Air. It’s easy to carry 
around, has two USB ports, one thunderbolt and an SD slot. The keyboard is the 
same as the standard Apple wireless keyboard and you can connect a DVD drive or 
other external device.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:03, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> really?
> My thought was that one could connect such a drive via the USB port, thanks 
> for that correction.
> Honestly?  My desire  is / was a macbook pro that still had a cd drive. In 
> theory I might then use the iPhone for the few truly IOS programs I imagine 
> using.  my challenge with the macbook pro is not only finding the drive but 
> now the standard jack as well.
> I dare say I can attach the external burner to a laptop, assuming one can do 
> this and have an external keyboard too.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Re the head phone question,
>> I believe the newest iPad pro has a standard headphone jack still.
>> 
>> You can't connect an external drive be it hard drive or dvd burner to an 
>> iPad.
>> 
>> Is it atablet or a computer that your really looking for?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2018 1:11 PM
>> To: list voiceover 
>> Subject: the last Ipad with standard headphone jacks?
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> Question part two.
>> Please feel free to correct my ideas here, with solid alternatives based on 
>> what I outline as  things about which I cannot compromise.
>> First, I have an iPhone 5 ish, that I have yet to find a way to use truth be 
>> told.  I believe though I may have found, based on my specific needs, a 
>> possible quality voice.  Whatever Apple item I get will need to manage some 
>> programs that I feel are not available for the mac.  Symphony pro for 
>> example, voice dream reader too, for the reading quality.  I will  be adding 
>> a full sized keyboard, and  because the ability to burn  items to cd is an 
>> absolute necessity, an external drive I already own.
>> From what I understand that means an IPad.
>> So two questions.  First how is Audible with the IPad?  My goal here are the 
>> more presentation related items, audible studio for example.  Still as I 
>> will be moving my items elsewhere, the software itself, linking to Amazon, I 
>> hope is solid in IOs?
>> Second,  which is the last IPad model that still has a standard headphone 
>> jack?  I cannot compromise  on this because  of my headphone requirements.
>> Yes there are adapters,  but using one is a last resort, especially how long 
>> lived apple technology is in the long run.  after all some here are using 
>> machines from 2010.
>> Thoughts?
>> Kare
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Re: reading by sentence in pdf documents

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jean,
Sometimes reading by sentence works and sometimes it doesn’t. I suspect it has 
to do with the way the PDF was created. However, there are other problems too. 
I can’t get Preview to Read All any more.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 16 Nov 2018, at 16:57, jean parker  wrote:
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> Hi All:
> After upgrading to Mojave I find that I can not navigate by sentence in pdf 
> documents. Until now, I have used command/option/control/function plus down 
> arrow to do this but it is not working any longer. Anyone have suggestions?
> Jean
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Re: Question about Auto Fill when Completing Forms on the Mac

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Tim,

I find it easier to use Cmd-Shift-a for the autofill.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 16 Nov 2018, at 17:39, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> I use it for auto-filling username/password info all the time.  Just navigate 
> to the field, press the down arrow once, then press return.  There are a few 
> sites that must use a improper field protocol as those do not accept the 
> auto-fill items.  Normally, VO will announce something about "Auto-fill" if 
> the field has those options, but that's still not a guarantee.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 17:43, John JD Denning  > wrote:
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> I’m also interested in people’s results with this. I actually got it to work 
> a couple times the other day. I was surprised because that was the first time 
> it’s worked for me and I keep trying it. I don’t know what I did different. 
> And I’m not able to do it again. So if it should be working and I’m doing 
> something wrong I would love to know what.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 16:57, Mary Jo Partyka > > wrote:
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>> 
>> I have been playing with this and when I press the up or down arrow and 
>> press the return key, nothing happens.  My information isn’t appearing in 
>> the fields like it should be.  Am I doing something wrong?
>> 
>> 
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Re: filling out a for in Safari on a Mac

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Lorie,

To turn cursor tracking on or off, VO-Shift-F3.
When you need to find a command, press VO-h-h then type a key word and you will 
find the results by doing VO-Down Arrow.

Cheers,

Anne




> On 14 Nov 2018, at 01:31, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I've been trying to fill out a form in Safari on my Mac. it's problematic 
> because I can move from edit field to edit field with tab but I can't read 
> the labels to know what's supposed to go in them. if I vo left or right to 
> try to read them it gets me out of the edit fields. anybody have any 
> suggestions for this? I'm running Mojave. is there a keystroke for turning 
> cursor tracking on and off?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Mojave not staying on my preferred voice after update

[Anne Robertson]

Hello,
I’ve just done the update to 10.14.1 with no voice problems. I have four 
different languages set up on my MacBook Air with my system running in English. 
Fred is my preferred voice and that’s the one that was speaking after the 
update. I do not have automatic language switching selected as it’s more 
trouble than it’s worth.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 9 Nov 2018, at 06:53, Michael Marshall  wrote:
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> hey all,
> am finding a shocking problem with voiceover when installing updates on 
> Mojave.
> i use the alex voice but every time i update, my voice options are lost and 
> the system reverts back to the australian voice.
> i have to then go and set all the different voice parameters such as 
> attributes and typing back to alex.
> all the pitch and speed settings are left alone.
> it is extremely irritating.
> has anyone else found this?
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Re: Native Mail Client Inexplicably Pops Out of Message List

[Anne Robertson]

Bill, I use classic view having got rid of the preview pane and I’m not having 
this problem.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 8 Nov 2018, at 16:21, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
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>  I’ve been using the “Classic View” but have changed that.  Thanks for the 
> tip.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their 
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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> On Nov 8, 2018, at 12:19 AM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
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> Hello Bill,
> 
> I have not encountered this problem.  However, I use the standard view.  
> 
> Which view do you use, the standard or the classic?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 4:49 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Native Mail Client Inexplicably Pops Out of Message List
> 
> I have a Mac Mini with Mojave MacOS, but the issue I’m addressing here was 
> happening in previous versions of MacOS.
> 
> While reading an e-mail I often delete that message while in the message 
> pane.  Inexplicably, doing this quiet often kicks me out of the message list 
> so I need to re-issue the ++ key sequence to re-enter 
> the message list.
> 
> Does this happen to anybody else?
> 
> Can anything be done to eliminate this very annoying problem?
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
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Re: Hoping someone can check a web page with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eric,

You might be able to do it using mousekeys.  However, I found it a bit hit and 
miss with mousekeys. Of course, a mouse would work as well as a trackpad.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 31 Oct 2018, at 18:37, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> I do not have a trackpad here, unfortunately. So, what I have is not 
> sufficient to determine full site access. :(
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Anne Robertson > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, it’s one of these mouse over situations. Somehow, VoiceOver doesn’t 
>> place the mouse pointer over the appropriate place. I could do it using the 
>> trackpad and then the information was completely readable.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 Oct 2018, at 16:43, Eric Oyen >> <mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, that narrows it down a bit. Looks like the javascript code on the 
>>> site is optimized for use with Microsoft edge/internet explorer and seems 
>>> to be hit or miss with other browsers on the windows platform. Btw, I tried 
>>> safari, chrome and Firefox here on my Mac mini (OS X Mohave) and nothing 
>>> inside the tabs were visible at all.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 1:24 AM, Simon Fogarty >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Brett,
>>>>  
>>>> I’ve just had a look with windows 10,
>>>> Jaws 2018,
>>>>  
>>>> Both google chrome,
>>>> And internet  explorer,
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> I can tell you that chrome gave me nothing but IE 11 worked pretty well,
>>>>  
>>>> I had to use arrow keys to scrole down but using links and tab I didn’t 
>>>> get great results but was able to get information to tell me about 
>>>> locations and times for the campuses.
>>>>  
>>>> In most cases I’d say jaws and IE is ok, chrome had moments.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2018 8:36 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Hoping someone can check a web page with VoiceOver
>>>>  
>>>> Hello Brett,
>>>>  
>>>> I’m afraid I have no idea about anything on a Windows PC. I’ve never used 
>>>> Windows in my life. I’ve been a Mac user for 22 years and before that, I 
>>>> even programmed an Apple iiE.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>  
>>>> Anne
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 30 Oct 2018, at 20:30, Brett Campbell >>> <mailto:blindinnova...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Thank you Anne  for checking this out for me. Do you think or know if 
>>>> someone using jaws etc. would have the same issue? I want to approach the 
>>>> devs with as much info as I can.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Anne Robertson >>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> Hello Brett,
>>>> As far as I can tell, this is inaccessible with VoiceOver. I got my 
>>>> sighted husband to look at it and we managed to expand an entry, but the 
>>>> process was very complicated. Once expanded, the contents were readable.
>>>> What happens is the mouse cursor has to turn into a pointer which can then 
>>>> be clicked to open the panel.
>>>> I’ve managed to do it, but it’s very hit and miss. Here’s how.
>>>> In VoiceOver Utility, category Verbosity, Announcements tab, make sure 
>>>> that the Speak text under mouse after delay: tickbox is ticked and that 
>>>> the delay is zero.
>>>> Turn Trackpad commander off.
>>>> Navigate to the tabs and bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
>>>> Drag your finger towards you on the trackpad and you should hear each tab 
>>>> announced in turn.
>>>> Double

Re: Hoping someone can check a web page with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Eric, it’s one of these mouse over situations. Somehow, VoiceOver doesn’t place 
the mouse pointer over the appropriate place. I could do it using the trackpad 
and then the information was completely readable.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 31 Oct 2018, at 16:43, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Well, that narrows it down a bit. Looks like the javascript code on the site 
> is optimized for use with Microsoft edge/internet explorer and seems to be 
> hit or miss with other browsers on the windows platform. Btw, I tried safari, 
> chrome and Firefox here on my Mac mini (OS X Mohave) and nothing inside the 
> tabs were visible at all.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2018, at 1:24 AM, Simon Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brett,
>>  
>> I’ve just had a look with windows 10,
>> Jaws 2018,
>>  
>> Both google chrome,
>> And internet  explorer,
>>  
>>  
>> I can tell you that chrome gave me nothing but IE 11 worked pretty well,
>>  
>> I had to use arrow keys to scrole down but using links and tab I didn’t get 
>> great results but was able to get information to tell me about locations and 
>> times for the campuses.
>>  
>> In most cases I’d say jaws and IE is ok, chrome had moments.
>>  
>>  
>> Hope that helps.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2018 8:36 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Hoping someone can check a web page with VoiceOver
>>  
>> Hello Brett,
>>  
>> I’m afraid I have no idea about anything on a Windows PC. I’ve never used 
>> Windows in my life. I’ve been a Mac user for 22 years and before that, I 
>> even programmed an Apple iiE.
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 Oct 2018, at 20:30, Brett Campbell > <mailto:blindinnova...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Thank you Anne  for checking this out for me. Do you think or know if 
>> someone using jaws etc. would have the same issue? I want to approach the 
>> devs with as much info as I can.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Anne Robertson > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Brett,
>> As far as I can tell, this is inaccessible with VoiceOver. I got my sighted 
>> husband to look at it and we managed to expand an entry, but the process was 
>> very complicated. Once expanded, the contents were readable.
>> What happens is the mouse cursor has to turn into a pointer which can then 
>> be clicked to open the panel.
>> I’ve managed to do it, but it’s very hit and miss. Here’s how.
>> In VoiceOver Utility, category Verbosity, Announcements tab, make sure that 
>> the Speak text under mouse after delay: tickbox is ticked and that the delay 
>> is zero.
>> Turn Trackpad commander off.
>> Navigate to the tabs and bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
>> Drag your finger towards you on the trackpad and you should hear each tab 
>> announced in turn.
>> Double-click by pressing the trackpad twice.
>> Slide your finger to the left until you hear “Expanded”.
>> You should now be able to navigate with VoiceOver.
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 Oct 2018, at 18:26, Brett Campbell > <mailto:blindinnova...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Mac visionaries,
>>  
>> If someone has a moment to spare, I’m asking you to check out a web page 
>> with VoiceOver. This page is the locations and hours for the Salt Lake 
>> Community college Disability Resource Center. There are 3 tabs, Taylorsville 
>> Redwood Campus, South City Campus and Jordan Campus. I’m told that visually 
>> selecting a tab shows the info for the campus. I can’t read anything with 
>> VoiceOver after selecting a tab. I’m wondering if the info isn’t seen by 
>> VoiceOver or is there a  setting or command I’m not aware of to read the 
>> text. The link follows.
>>  
>> http://www.slcc.edu/drc/locations-and-hours.aspx 
>> <http://www.slcc.edu/drc/locations-and-hours.aspx>
>>  
>>  
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Re: Hoping someone can check a web page with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brett,

I’m afraid I have no idea about anything on a Windows PC. I’ve never used 
Windows in my life. I’ve been a Mac user for 22 years and before that, I even 
programmed an Apple iiE.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 30 Oct 2018, at 20:30, Brett Campbell  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Anne  for checking this out for me. Do you think or know if someone 
> using jaws etc. would have the same issue? I want to approach the devs with 
> as much info as I can.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Anne Robertson > <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Brett,
>> As far as I can tell, this is inaccessible with VoiceOver. I got my sighted 
>> husband to look at it and we managed to expand an entry, but the process was 
>> very complicated. Once expanded, the contents were readable.
>> What happens is the mouse cursor has to turn into a pointer which can then 
>> be clicked to open the panel.
>> I’ve managed to do it, but it’s very hit and miss. Here’s how.
>> In VoiceOver Utility, category Verbosity, Announcements tab, make sure that 
>> the Speak text under mouse after delay: tickbox is ticked and that the delay 
>> is zero.
>> Turn Trackpad commander off.
>> Navigate to the tabs and bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
>> Drag your finger towards you on the trackpad and you should hear each tab 
>> announced in turn.
>> Double-click by pressing the trackpad twice.
>> Slide your finger to the left until you hear “Expanded”.
>> You should now be able to navigate with VoiceOver.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2018, at 18:26, Brett Campbell >> <mailto:blindinnova...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mac visionaries,
>>> 
>>> If someone has a moment to spare, I’m asking you to check out a web page 
>>> with VoiceOver. This page is the locations and hours for the Salt Lake 
>>> Community college Disability Resource Center. There are 3 tabs, 
>>> Taylorsville Redwood Campus, South City Campus and Jordan Campus. I’m told 
>>> that visually selecting a tab shows the info for the campus. I can’t read 
>>> anything with VoiceOver after selecting a tab. I’m wondering if the info 
>>> isn’t seen by VoiceOver or is there a  setting or command I’m not aware of 
>>> to read the text. The link follows.
>>> 
>>> http://www.slcc.edu/drc/locations-and-hours.aspx 
>>> <http://www.slcc.edu/drc/locations-and-hours.aspx>
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Hoping someone can check a web page with VoiceOver

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brett,
As far as I can tell, this is inaccessible with VoiceOver. I got my sighted 
husband to look at it and we managed to expand an entry, but the process was 
very complicated. Once expanded, the contents were readable.
What happens is the mouse cursor has to turn into a pointer which can then be 
clicked to open the panel.
I’ve managed to do it, but it’s very hit and miss. Here’s how.
In VoiceOver Utility, category Verbosity, Announcements tab, make sure that the 
Speak text under mouse after delay: tickbox is ticked and that the delay is 
zero.
Turn Trackpad commander off.
Navigate to the tabs and bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5).
Drag your finger towards you on the trackpad and you should hear each tab 
announced in turn.
Double-click by pressing the trackpad twice.
Slide your finger to the left until you hear “Expanded”.
You should now be able to navigate with VoiceOver.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 30 Oct 2018, at 18:26, Brett Campbell  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mac visionaries,
> 
> If someone has a moment to spare, I’m asking you to check out a web page with 
> VoiceOver. This page is the locations and hours for the Salt Lake Community 
> college Disability Resource Center. There are 3 tabs, Taylorsville Redwood 
> Campus, South City Campus and Jordan Campus. I’m told that visually selecting 
> a tab shows the info for the campus. I can’t read anything with VoiceOver 
> after selecting a tab. I’m wondering if the info isn’t seen by VoiceOver or 
> is there a  setting or command I’m not aware of to read the text. The link 
> follows.
> 
> http://www.slcc.edu/drc/locations-and-hours.aspx 
> 
> 
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Re: Seeing AI And Bar Codes on iPhone SE

[Anne Robertson]

My phone is locked in portrait mode. I find Seeing AI very quick at finding 
barcodes, even if sometimes the result is quite wrong. For instance, it thinks 
a jar of instant coffee is the second volume of a book on Breton history!
Cheers,

Anne




> On 29 Oct 2018, at 18:45, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Anne,
> 
> I feel better at least knowing someone with an SE has been able to read the 
> info. Does it make any difference if you hold the phone portrait or 
> landscape? Are there any settings that needed to be adjusted?
> 
> Mary, I did try your trick of turning the phone over so the camera was 
> face-up, but that hasn’t helped so far. But thanks for the suggestion, I 
> never thought of trying that!
> 
> Pete
>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Pete,
>> 
>> It works on my iPhone SE.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2018, at 17:32, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I’m trying to read bar codes using Seeing AI on my iPhone SE. Whenever I 
>>> try, I do hear the tones that tell me I’m over the code, but Seeing AI 
>>> doesn’t read anything, it only gives me beeps. I tried to write the team 
>>> about this, but got no response. Does anybody know if you’re supposed to be 
>>> able to read bar code info with an iPhone SE?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Seeing AI And Bar Codes on iPhone SE

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Pete,

It works on my iPhone SE.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 29 Oct 2018, at 17:32, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I’m trying to read bar codes using Seeing AI on my iPhone SE. Whenever I try, 
> I do hear the tones that tell me I’m over the code, but Seeing AI doesn’t 
> read anything, it only gives me beeps. I tried to write the team about this, 
> but got no response. Does anybody know if you’re supposed to be able to read 
> bar code info with an iPhone SE?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Apple mail in Mojave

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Lorie,

I’ve noticed a few weird changes like this in Mojave. There isn’t another 
command to send mail, it’s just the announcement that’s changed. Other changes 
include ticked instead of checked, volume rather than partition, and I’m sure 
there are others I’ve forgotten. However, I find Mojave to be very snappy and 
pleasant to use.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 24 Oct 2018, at 07:53, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Mojave. in mail, when I pressed command-shift-d to send Alex 
> said: "send again". is there a new keystroke for sending email?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Unchecked Voices in Rotor

[Anne Robertson]

After installing Mojave, unchecking voices didn’t get rid of them from the 
rotor, so I put the offending ones in the trash. You can find them by opening 
your hard drive and going to System>Library>Speech>Voices. I had to restart my 
computer for them to disappear.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 17 Oct 2018, at 11:12, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> We’ve been reporting the mess Apple had made of Voices in High Sierra and 
> above since it started happening, but they are not listening.  The Greek 
> voice is totally broken and unusable.  I’ve been beta testing and reporting 
> with each release of beta and have they fixed it? No!
> I’m tearing my hair out.  Hence I’ve not upgraded one of my macs and it’s 
> still on Sierra so that I can use multiple voices and voice rotor properly 
> and efficiently.
> 
> Andrew
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> 
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:33 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>  In both High Sierra and Mojave, even when voices are not checked in VO 
>> Utility, are still in the list in the speech rotor. I've only English US. 
>> All the unchecked voices are the other English speaking countries. Has 
>> anyone found a way to get rid of those voices?
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Re: Teamviewer with Voiceover

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Tim,

Yes, you’re right. We use Skype alongside TeamViewer to hear VoiceOver. Both 
ends of the communication need a pretty fast connection for it to work. 
Cheers,

Anne




> On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> One caveat to this though, unless things have changed, the VO sound does not 
> transfer to the master.  You will have control, but you'll need to be on a 
> FaceTime call or something similar with the person at the other end so that 
> you can hear what's happening on their computer.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 15, 2018, at 23:34, Anne Robertson  <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
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> Hello Kristeen,
> 
> To control another Mac with TeamViewer and VoiceOver, you have to turn 
> VoiceOver off on the master machine to be able to use VoiceOver commands to 
> control the slave. It works just fine.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2018, at 20:30, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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>> If I want to help someone with their Mac, will Voiceover allow me to control 
>> their mac with my Mac using Teamviewer? If not, is there another app that 
>> will do this?
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>> Kristeen
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Re: Teamviewer with Voiceover

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Kristeen,

To control another Mac with TeamViewer and VoiceOver, you have to turn 
VoiceOver off on the master machine to be able to use VoiceOver commands to 
control the slave. It works just fine.
Cheers,

Anne




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