Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I run Version 16.60 (22041000).  I have a 365 Subscription through our 
education license, although business, or education should not matter as they 
are the same download, just different license.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 24, 2022, at 21:41, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I have an Office 365 subscription but installed Word on its own and am having 
> this issue. I haven't checked for updates recently and am not at the computer 
> right now to check the version I have installed. I was definitely having this 
> issue the last time I checked a couple days ago. 
> 
> Gabe 
>  
> Gabe Griffith 
> President, California Council of the Blind 
> (925)222-5762
> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I use the Microsoft365 client version, and I experience issues navigating a 
>> Word doc/docx document. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 13:13, Kliph >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> so it seems that us using the suite have this issue, but those using 365 
>>> are not. is 365 web based, or on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I haven’t experienced this problem at all with Microsoft Word from Office 
 365.
 The accessibility of Microsoft Word used to be considerably worse, but it 
 improved at some point a year or two ago.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> > on behalf of Raul Gallegos 
 mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com>>
 Date: Thursday, 21April, 2022 at 15:16
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> >, Brad Snyder >>> >
 Subject: Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac
 
 I'm also experiencing the same navigation issues with 12.3.1 on Word. 
 About the best I've been able to do is enable quick NAV, then set the 
 rotor to paragraphs, but this is not reliable as the way it used to work. 
 Definitely a bug.
 
  
 
 On 4/11/2022 11:44 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
 Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
 I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac mini, 
 running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.
 
 - Brad -
  
  
  
  
 On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
  
 Hi, 
  
 I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a 
 DOCX document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines 
 and I am able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with 
 Office 365 Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions 
 to help as I cannot duplicate the issue here.
  
 Later…
  
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 
 On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
  
 OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
 Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
 described earlier.
  
 When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I 
 am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation 
 or simple arrow key navigation.
  
 I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
 I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
 still am not able to navigate line by line.
  
 This is very strange behavior indeed.  
 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Gabe Griffith]

I have an Office 365 subscription but installed Word on its own and am having 
this issue. I haven't checked for updates recently and am not at the computer 
right now to check the version I have installed. I was definitely having this 
issue the last time I checked a couple days ago. 

Gabe 
 
Gabe Griffith 
President, California Council of the Blind 
(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org


> On Apr 24, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I use the Microsoft365 client version, and I experience issues navigating a 
> Word doc/docx document. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2022, at 13:13, Kliph  wrote:
>>> 
>>> so it seems that us using the suite have this issue, but those using 365 
>>> are not. is 365 web based, or on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven’t experienced this problem at all with Microsoft Word from Office 
>>> 365.
>>> The accessibility of Microsoft Word used to be considerably worse, but it 
>>> improved at some point a year or two ago.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
>>> behalf of Raul Gallegos 
>>> Date: Thursday, 21April, 2022 at 15:16
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com , Brad 
>>> Snyder 
>>> Subject: Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac
>>> 
>>> I'm also experiencing the same navigation issues with 12.3.1 on Word. About 
>>> the best I've been able to do is enable quick NAV, then set the rotor to 
>>> paragraphs, but this is not reliable as the way it used to work. Definitely 
>>> a bug.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 4/11/2022 11:44 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
>>> I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac mini, 
>>> running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, 
>>>  
>>> I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
>>> document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
>>> able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 
>>> Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as 
>>> I cannot duplicate the issue here.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>>  
>>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>>> described earlier.
>>>  
>>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
>>> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
>>> simple arrow key navigation.
>>>  
>>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>>>  
>>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

I use the Microsoft365 client version, and I experience issues navigating a 
Word doc/docx document. 

- Brad -



> On Apr 24, 2022, at 13:13, Kliph  wrote:
> 
> so it seems that us using the suite have this issue, but those using 365 are 
> not. is 365 web based, or on your Mac?
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t experienced this problem at all with Microsoft Word from Office 
>> 365.
>> The accessibility of Microsoft Word used to be considerably worse, but it 
>> improved at some point a year or two ago.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > on behalf of Raul Gallegos 
>> mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com>>
>> Date: Thursday, 21April, 2022 at 15:16
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>, 
>> Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>
>> Subject: Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac
>> 
>> I'm also experiencing the same navigation issues with 12.3.1 on Word. About 
>> the best I've been able to do is enable quick NAV, then set the rotor to 
>> paragraphs, but this is not reliable as the way it used to work. Definitely 
>> a bug.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 4/11/2022 11:44 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
>> I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac mini, 
>> running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, 
>>  
>> I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
>> document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
>> able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 
>> Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I 
>> cannot duplicate the issue here.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>>  
>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>> described earlier.
>>  
>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
>> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
>> simple arrow key navigation.
>>  
>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>>  
>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

The version installed on my Mac is 16.60, 22041000.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Sunday, 24April, 2022 at 13:48
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

On 24/4/22 13:13, Kliph wrote:
> so it seems that us using the suite have this issue, but those using
> 365 are not. is 365 web based, or on your Mac?

It's installed on the Mac, in my case.

Some Office 365 subscriptions give you access to the latest Microsoft
Office suite (with all updates as they are released). There are
Web-based versions as well, but those aren't commonly used with screen
readers, as far as I know. I'm absolutely not referring to a Web version
here; I think it's technically called Microsoft Apps for Business, or
similar, and it's a large installation.

I'm running the latest version (beta channel) on the Mac. It's the
release preview, not the development version. I can obtain the build
number if anyone needs to know.

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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 24/4/22 13:13, Kliph wrote:
so it seems that us using the suite have this issue, but those using 
365 are not. is 365 web based, or on your Mac?


It's installed on the Mac, in my case.

Some Office 365 subscriptions give you access to the latest Microsoft 
Office suite (with all updates as they are released). There are 
Web-based versions as well, but those aren't commonly used with screen 
readers, as far as I know. I'm absolutely not referring to a Web version 
here; I think it's technically called Microsoft Apps for Business, or 
similar, and it's a large installation.


I'm running the latest version (beta channel) on the Mac. It's the 
release preview, not the development version. I can obtain the build 
number if anyone needs to know.


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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Kliph]

so it seems that us using the suite have this issue, but those using 365 are 
not. is 365 web based, or on your Mac?


> On Apr 23, 2022, at 11:53 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t experienced this problem at all with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
> The accessibility of Microsoft Word used to be considerably worse, but it 
> improved at some point a year or two ago.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > on behalf of Raul Gallegos 
> mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com>>
> Date: Thursday, 21April, 2022 at 15:16
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>, 
> Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>>
> Subject: Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac
> 
> I'm also experiencing the same navigation issues with 12.3.1 on Word. About 
> the best I've been able to do is enable quick NAV, then set the rotor to 
> paragraphs, but this is not reliable as the way it used to work. Definitely a 
> bug.
> 
>  
> 
> On 4/11/2022 11:44 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
> Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
> I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac mini, 
> running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.
> 
> - Brad -
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi, 
>  
> I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
> document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
> able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 
> Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I 
> cannot duplicate the issue here.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
>  
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
>  
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
> simple arrow key navigation.
>  
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
> am not able to navigate line by line.
>  
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
> 
> - Brad -
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I haven’t experienced this problem at all with Microsoft Word from Office 365.
The accessibility of Microsoft Word used to be considerably worse, but it 
improved at some point a year or two ago.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Raul Gallegos 
Date: Thursday, 21April, 2022 at 15:16
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com , Brad 
Snyder 
Subject: Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

I'm also experiencing the same navigation issues with 12.3.1 on Word. About the 
best I've been able to do is enable quick NAV, then set the rotor to 
paragraphs, but this is not reliable as the way it used to work. Definitely a 
bug.


On 4/11/2022 11:44 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac mini, 
running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.

- Brad -




On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 Version 
16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I cannot 
duplicate the issue here.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
described earlier.

When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
simple arrow key navigation.

I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
am not able to navigate line by line.

This is very strange behavior indeed.

- Brad -





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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Raul Gallegos]

I'm also experiencing the same navigation issues with 12.3.1 on Word. 
About the best I've been able to do is enable quick NAV, then set the 
rotor to paragraphs, but this is not reliable as the way it used to 
work. Definitely a bug.



On 4/11/2022 11:44 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:

Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac 
mini, running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.

/
- Brad -/




On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Hi,

I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a 
DOCX document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible 
lines and I am able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 
with Office 365 Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no 
suggestions to help as I cannot duplicate the issue here.


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:

OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, 
using Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue 
that Gabe described earlier.


When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, 
and I am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver 
navigation or simple arrow key navigation.


I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, 
and still am not able to navigate line by line.


This is very strange behavior indeed.
/
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Kliph]

i’m also running 12.4 beta, but have a suite version, not 365 version.  I poked 
around in the menus, and didn’t see anything that would effect the navigation.


> On Apr 16, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Tim said he is using macOS Monterey version 12.4, which is a beta.
> I am experiencing the issue as well and I am running Microsoft 365, but I am 
> running macOS Monterey 12.3.1, the public release.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Apr 16, 2022, at 11:07, Kliph  wrote:
> 
>  is it possible there is a difference between the way word performs as a 
> stand alone suite, rather than office 365?  I have this same issue, but i 
> have a stand alone copy, maybe Tims works because its 365?
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2022, at 7:15 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I sometimes experienced a similar issue in other word processing application 
>> - can’t remember which now.  I think it may have something to do with the 
>> way the text wraps in the window.  Look in Ms Word settings to see if 
>> there’s an option that says something like “wrap to window” that needs to be 
>> checked.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 12 Apr 2022, at 05:01, Gabe Griffith >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is very interesting to me Tim that you are not experiencing this issue. 
>>> I’m sorry you are Brad but at least it makes the likelyhood of me going 
>>> crazy slightly less.
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can think of to try is to uninstall Word and reinstall it. 
>>> I haven’t had a chance to do that yet but may give it a try tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Gabe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
 created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  
 All worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word 
 document with positive results.  The only difference was that Word 
 announced that the TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility 
 mode, but was totally navigable.
 
 I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
> 
> I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
> Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 
> Intel Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question 
> were created using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>> described earlier.
>> 
>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I 
>> am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver 
>> navigation or simple arrow key navigation.
>> 
>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>> 
>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Tim said he is using macOS Monterey version 12.4, which is a beta.
I am experiencing the issue as well and I am running Microsoft 365, but I am 
running macOS Monterey 12.3.1, the public release.

- Brad -

On Apr 16, 2022, at 11:07, Kliph  wrote:

 is it possible there is a difference between the way word performs as a stand 
alone suite, rather than office 365?  I have this same issue, but i have a 
stand alone copy, maybe Tims works because its 365?

> On Apr 16, 2022, at 7:15 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I sometimes experienced a similar issue in other word processing application 
> - can’t remember which now.  I think it may have something to do with the way 
> the text wraps in the window.  Look in Ms Word settings to see if there’s an 
> option that says something like “wrap to window” that needs to be checked.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 12 Apr 2022, at 05:01, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> It is very interesting to me Tim that you are not experiencing this issue. 
>> I’m sorry you are Brad but at least it makes the likelyhood of me going 
>> crazy slightly less.
>> 
>> The only thing I can think of to try is to uninstall Word and reinstall it. 
>> I haven’t had a chance to do that yet but may give it a try tomorrow.
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
>>> created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  
>>> All worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word 
>>> document with positive results.  The only difference was that Word 
>>> announced that the TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility 
>>> mode, but was totally navigable.
>>> 
>>> I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
 Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 
 Intel Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were 
 created using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
 
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
> 
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I 
> am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver 
> navigation or simple arrow key navigation.
> 
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
> still am not able to navigate line by line.
> 
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Kliph]

is it possible there is a difference between the way word performs as a stand 
alone suite, rather than office 365?  I have this same issue, but i have a 
stand alone copy, maybe Tims works because its 365?

> On Apr 16, 2022, at 7:15 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I sometimes experienced a similar issue in other word processing application 
> - can’t remember which now.  I think it may have something to do with the way 
> the text wraps in the window.  Look in Ms Word settings to see if there’s an 
> option that says something like “wrap to window” that needs to be checked.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 12 Apr 2022, at 05:01, Gabe Griffith > > wrote:
>> 
>> It is very interesting to me Tim that you are not experiencing this issue. 
>> I’m sorry you are Brad but at least it makes the likelyhood of me going 
>> crazy slightly less.
>> 
>> The only thing I can think of to try is to uninstall Word and reinstall it. 
>> I haven’t had a chance to do that yet but may give it a try tomorrow.
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
>>> created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  
>>> All worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word 
>>> document with positive results.  The only difference was that Word 
>>> announced that the TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility 
>>> mode, but was totally navigable.
>>> 
>>> I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen >>> > wrote:
 
 I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
 Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 
 Intel Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were 
 created using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
 
> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
> 
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I 
> am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver 
> navigation or simple arrow key navigation.
> 
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
> still am not able to navigate line by line.
> 
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I sometimes experienced a similar issue in other word processing application - 
can’t remember which now.  I think it may have something to do with the way the 
text wraps in the window.  Look in Ms Word settings to see if there’s an option 
that says something like “wrap to window” that needs to be checked.

Good luck

Andrew

> On 12 Apr 2022, at 05:01, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> It is very interesting to me Tim that you are not experiencing this issue. 
> I’m sorry you are Brad but at least it makes the likelyhood of me going crazy 
> slightly less.
> 
> The only thing I can think of to try is to uninstall Word and reinstall it. I 
> haven’t had a chance to do that yet but may give it a try tomorrow.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
>> created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  
>> All worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word 
>> document with positive results.  The only difference was that Word announced 
>> that the TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility mode, but 
>> was totally navigable.
>> 
>> I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
>>> Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 Intel 
>>> Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were 
>>> created using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
>>> 
 On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
 Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
 described earlier.
 
 When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I 
 am also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation 
 or simple arrow key navigation.
 
 I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
 I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
 still am not able to navigate line by line.
 
 This is very strange behavior indeed.  
 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Bill Gallik]

I wish I could be more helpful in this matter, but when I first installed the 
Microsoft Office Suite on my Mac Mini I was experiencing the issue as described 
in this thread.  Several months ago I was trying to work with a document I had 
copied from my old Windows PC and tapped some sort of control that I simply 
don’t remember.  The issue completely vanished.

As I say, I wish I could recall that control.  But I post this message to the 
thread to encourage others that there is a solution.


* * * * * * * * * * * *
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- "He who asks is a fool for five minutes,"
- "but he who does not ask remains a fool forever."
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Gabe Griffith]

It is very interesting to me Tim that you are not experiencing this issue. I’m 
sorry you are Brad but at least it makes the likelyhood of me going crazy 
slightly less.

The only thing I can think of to try is to uninstall Word and reinstall it. I 
haven’t had a chance to do that yet but may give it a try tomorrow.

Gabe



> On Apr 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
> created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  
> All worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word document 
> with positive results.  The only difference was that Word announced that the 
> TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility mode, but was totally 
> navigable.
> 
> I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
>> Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 Intel 
>> Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were created 
>> using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
>> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>>> described earlier.
>>> 
>>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
>>> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
>>> simple arrow key navigation.
>>> 
>>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>>> 
>>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The original DOCX document that I opened was likely created on a PC, so I 
created a new document on my Mac using Word, then pasted content into it.  All 
worked as it should.  I also saved a TextEdit document as a Word document with 
positive results.  The only difference was that Word announced that the 
TextEdit created document was opening in Compatibility mode, but was totally 
navigable.

I am running Monterey 12.4 though, which appears to be the main difference.

Later…


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> On Apr 11, 2022, at 11:55, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. 
> Otherwise, it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 Intel 
> Macbook pro with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were created 
> using Word and they display just fine in Text Edit.
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>> described earlier.
>> 
>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
>> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
>> simple arrow key navigation.
>> 
>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>> 
>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Herbie Allen]

I am also experiencing this only mine isn’t saying one visible line. Otherwise, 
it will not differentiate between lines. I am using a 2019 Intel Macbook pro 
with the latest Monterey. The documents in question were created using Word and 
they display just fine in Text Edit.

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 23:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
> 
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
> simple arrow key navigation.
> 
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
> am not able to navigate line by line.
> 
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
> 
> - Brad -
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Interesting that you are not experiencing the same issue.
I am running Microsoft365, Version 16.59 (22031300), on an Intel Mac mini, 
running macOS Monterey 12.3.1.

- Brad -




On Apr 11, 2022, at 09:50, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 Version 
16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I cannot 
duplicate the issue here.

Later…


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Apple Professional Learning Specialist
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
> 
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
> simple arrow key navigation.
> 
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
> am not able to navigate line by line.
> 
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
very funny. In a german mailinglist we discuss the same issues. I compaired the 
same Word document in the same Word version. On my Mac no issues regarding 
navigatibility. On his Mac same issue as here discribed. 
So far we weren't able to find a solution but just to let you all know this 
issue is real and it's not about Quic Nav.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 11.04.2022 um 16:50 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
> document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
> able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 
> Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I 
> cannot duplicate the issue here.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>> described earlier.
>> 
>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
>> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
>> simple arrow key navigation.
>> 
>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>> 
>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 Version 
16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I cannot 
duplicate the issue here.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
> described earlier.
> 
> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
> simple arrow key navigation.
> 
> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
> am not able to navigate line by line.
> 
> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
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issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
described earlier.

When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
simple arrow key navigation.

I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and still 
am not able to navigate line by line.

This is very strange behavior indeed.  

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