d cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4,
> just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse
> pointer there won’t do it.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> on behalf of Brad Snyder
> Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35
> To: macvisionaries@g
on
> behalf of Brad Snyder
> Date: Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 09:05
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
>
> If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver
> Utility, under t
: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
If you find Interacting so annoying, you can turn it off in VoiceOver Utility,
under the Navigation category > Grouping Behavior.
There are 4 options to choose from: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce groups,
and Ignore groups.
Also, you can
rom: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
on behalf of Brad Snyder
Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email
message, rather than using ar
Moving the mouse
>>> pointer there won’t do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> on behalf of Brad Snyder
>>> Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
ommends.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4,
>>>> just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse
>>>> pointer there won’t do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>&g
command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4,
>>> just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse
>>> pointer there won’t do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> on behalf
about the future Mac accessibility
You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward.
- Brad -
On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote
: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on
> behalf of Brad Snyder
> Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
>
> You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email
> me
to repair the data file corruption, which is the very
annoying aspect.
Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future
MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
Jason!
Do you have linux installed on your Mac?
Bless.
/A
8 sep. 2023 kl. 13:27 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries
:
I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the
Mac, suing the usual Voiceover
l under Windows, until Microsoft
>>> Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some
>>> cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very
>>> annoying aspect.
>>> Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mai
om>
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
>
> I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and
> even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably
> navi
Hi!
I normally do not have issues with such things in mail.
There are other things in the mail app that has gone strange in the beta.
I try my best to give the feedback I can.
/A
> 8 sep. 2023 kl. 03:06 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
>
> What are you talking about, VoiceOver for Mac with the Mail
Hi!
I have an m1 Mac mini and it was a huge difference but safari has gone worse in
the beta so I use firefox.
/A
> 7 sep. 2023 kl. 19:33 skrev Traci Duncan :
>
> Ok, this is mostly good feedback. Thanks. I want to stick with Mac, just
> because it is far more natural now.
>
> I do use duck
I love the Mac hardware nothing really rivals it, but for
> us accessibility is just not trending in the right direction.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On
> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2023 12:24 PM
> To: macv
to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse pointer there
won’t do it.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on
behalf of Brad Snyder
Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
You can avoid
Hello Andrew,
Which email program do you use on windows that you have found better
than the mail program on the Mac? I have been pretty satisfied with the
Mac email program, but I think I am not doing the task you described. I
have Thunderbird on my Windows machine and it is at best just okay
urse, one loses time restarting it, in some
>> cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very
>> annoying aspect.
>> Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.
>>
>>
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionarie
aspect.
>> Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading.
>>
>>
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>>
>> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Concerned abou
You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward.- Brad -On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I
oglegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
>
> I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and
> even email when it comes to newsletters where
Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and
even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably
navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not
impossible
Ihr understand your frustration. Sometimes Ihr experience the same frustration. But all in all I'm quite happy with my Macs. Don't forget you are using aber beta version. I'd rather have seen Apple kept the policy of keeping beta experiences sicret. It often makes people insecure and frustrated.
What are you talking about, VoiceOver for Mac with the Mail application has
always respected using the goto header functions.
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:
>
> I agree and I use the same tactic:
Wait until you try the Apple Silicon mac, it is so much better and faster than
the Intel, you will love it.
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Maurice A. Mines wrote:
>
> Hi I am having some small issues, but no showstoppers whin it comes
> to Mac OS accessibility. That being said. I
I’m quite happy with my macs, especially the new Apple Silicon models, I have
no interest at all in switching to Windows.
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
> about the disappointment in Mac’s
Hi,
Using an m1 Mac book air and do not have any of the crashing or busy messages
mentioned. That’s interesting. I also have both an Intel Mac mini and a
windows 11 desktop. I find that my MBA is pretty stable. I am able to do
email and web browsing just fine without any problem. Perhaps
I second this.
I use both my Mac and my PC daily. I teach online, and mostly I prefer the way
JAWS and Windows handles the LMS, so I doubt I’ll ever not have a PC. But I’m
also amazed at how frustrating things that should be simple can be on Windows.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:32
I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and
even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably
navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not
impossible task in Apple mail.
Andrew
> On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32,
Well, I have bought a Windows laptop and I’m making sure I use it since I no
longer think Apple is always going to stick to their original commitment to
blind people. I also find using the internet on a Windows machine a much more
pleasant and efficient experience.
Andrew
> On 7 Sep 2023,
Hi!
Yes I am really concerned especially as I am testing out the Sonoma beta.
It has a lot of issues with both mail and safari and braille usage too.
But there seems to be no other than me on the public beta list that is testing
the Mac.
In windows you know what you get and you can use nada for
You may have heard the saying, "the grass is greener on the other
side". In my opinion its more practical to learn to work around any
shortcomings.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
-Helen Keller
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On
Ok, this is mostly good feedback. Thanks. I want to stick with Mac, just
because it is far more natural now.
I do use duck duck go for searching, but constantly get safari not responding.
Is Google Chrome preferred?
I also get music not responding.
I had heard upgrading to a m2 MBA will make
I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I
use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14
with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I
like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things
can just be slower on a
Hi,
I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in
performance is tremendous and you will notice it.
For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the
exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter
duration.
For web
My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared to
Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously consider
going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.
I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari is
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility
Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot
of you overall
Tracy et al,
I personally have not experienced many of the VoiceOver issues appearing on
this list. I’m using a Mac mini (2014) and recently did need to have the
(mechanical) hard drive replaced with an SSD. I figure after over 9 years and
all that drive head movement a mechanical drive
At this point I'll never go back to windows. Even if the mac and VO has it's
problems, windows has more and I hear all the time from friends and family how
frustrating windows is to use...
Cait, with the ten year old macbook air still working fine
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Herbie Allen
Hi I am having some small issues, but no showstoppers whin it comes to
Mac OS accessibility. That being said. I am using a beta on an Intel based
Mac. I am switching to a silicon based Mac next week. If I need Windows
for dictation, thin I will use a virtual Windows
Has there ever been happy with VO. I find it works well for me. I use Windows
very little since I still find the Mac more accessible.
> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:23, Traci Duncan wrote:
>
> Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list
> about the disappointment in
Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list about
the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.
Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot of
you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?
I think I am mostly curious
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