A blog would be great for intermediate users, and I agree hole
heartedly, it's more accessible than a wiki. However, we have to think
perhaps about getting to those who can't navigate the net just yet as
well. Perhaps working with apple to supplement their docs as well,
then after the
Hmm, let's see if i can formulate this so that it makes sence... I
think that you have some valid points in what you're saying, however
that info in the beginning about how to get help should, imho be
optional, that is if it was there, you should be able to turn it on
and off. I for one
I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and
then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of
their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it
has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes,
but I think
I agree, the welcome dialog will have an option to show at startup or
not, there could also be an option to show help message at startup or
something. My hope is that these help instructions will be put into
the welcome screen.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Also, if more documentation is required, Really what would stop one or
two of us from building a document ourselves and making it available?
If we want to leave feature implimentation to apple, between most of
us on the list proactive written documentation available and offered
to apple
Like I said I'm not sure what the right solution is. I think there
should at least be a basic tutorial that covers the use of vo with the
finder maybe and other things. Again I really don't know how this
will be balanced or solved.
Mike
On Jun 12, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you.
My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second was a
dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my
next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I got
myself grounded. Windows 95 98
I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing
much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This
guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and
it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all
that. They
Hi,
How many legs did your Windows conputer come with in the firstplace.
*Alex checks and none of his computers have legs* See, it is easier to
stop them running away this way, ... :).
Anyways, I have loved OS X since 2005, and would not use my Windows VM
probably ever except for miner
windows.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I
This happens everywhere. The ONCE in Spain, which is the equivalent of
the NFB, does exactly the same.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helpless they'd be
, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in
the june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with
some of the concerns here, I disaggree with quite a few especially
that vo should just read
expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
like
windows.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo
I definitely agree. I think enough blind people will continue
to look at mac to make it still a viable option.
MikeOn Jun 10, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helpless
That's great. Let me just say I did not intend any offense with my
comment on the older/younger thing. My apologeez if any offense was
taken.
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote:
I don't know who would be counted in the young group and who in the
old. I first heard
: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some of
the
concerns here, I disaggree with quite a few especially that vo
should just
read everything automatically. Ironic
Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo
in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some
voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo
in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with
some
of
the
concerns here, I disaggree with quite a few especially that vo
should just
read everything automatically. Ironic
Well I got my mac in March of this year because I don't want to mess
with Windows seven. I'm 47 in October. Does that mean I'm young? :)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote:
I don't know who would be counted in the young group and who in the
old. I first heard rumblings that
Hello Peggy and all:
Then that makes me just one of those darn meddling kids at 40 (grin)..
Given the writing of the article in the Braille Monitor it looks like
I will need to renew my annual membership in S.O.S. (stamp out
stupidity). Thought I could save the 20 bucks this year. Oh well,
hi I am a proud nfb member if this is know longer a mac voiceover list
and a nfb bashing list I will lev the list but I don't wunt to due
thiat this must stop and get back to voiceover.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:03 AM, patrickneazer wrote:
Hello Peggy and all:
Then that makes me just
Hi Maurice,
I, too, am a proud (and active) NFB member. That doesn't negate that
this article was not a responsible or accurate portrayal. Do I expect
every VO review to be full of nothing but glowing praise? Certainly
not, but I do expect it to at least be accurate and written by someone
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
One little nit from the article is they mention that you can go up
to any osx 10.5 box to use VO. Really you can do VO on 10.4 as well.
You don't have to have only the latest OSX to use
Please do that. At least you seem to have the patience to do it. I
wouldn't bother...
On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
Hi Maurice,
I, too, am a proud (and active) NFB member. That doesn't negate that
this article was not a responsible or accurate portrayal. Do I expect
-
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some of
the
concerns
The only part I disagree with is that Apple has not settled for the
position of fancy home computer or whatever. In fact we use Macs
extensively where I work and I'm in the process of making the switch
at work as I had done years ago at home. Apple takes all segments of
the market
Jenny, you pup at 32. All good points for a whipper-snapper. :)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Jenny Kenn
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You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since
2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me
considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did for
me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do
with the fact
Buddy, you should and I will help if you need it. This is one of those
times when you need to say, set aside what you know about windows
because they were clearly expecting it to be like windows, and when
they found it wasn't, then it's a bad thing in their view and a bad
thing.
On Jun
over and the mac to behave like
windows.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in the
june
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some of
the
concerns here, I disaggree with quite
expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
like
windows.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb
expectation for voice over and the mac to behave like windows.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo
expectation for voice over and the mac to behave
like
windows.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Reiser
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb
@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Just thought I'd share this with everyone. The nfb featured vo in
the
june 2009 issue of the braille monitor. While I agree with some of
the
concerns here, I disaggree with quite a few especially
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