Re: Working around MS Word

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, Word  does not change much in a month, but the past year has seen a lot 
of improvements. Also, 2-3 months ago, documents with tables were fairly 
difficult to read unless one used the tab key to move from cell to cell
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 23, 2022, at 08:48, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> ""Hi,
> OK, I'll give Word another chance. Some months ago it was awful. 
> Pages workes quite great. I'd love to see VO reading more attributes after 
> pressing VO t but all in all I like it very much.
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 23.06.2022 um 14:32 schrieb 'ja...@jasonjgw.net 
>> <mailto:ja...@jasonjgw.net>' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> 
>> Also, I’ve read positive reports about the accessibility of Pages from those 
>> who’ve used it much more than I have. I’ve only run it a few times for 
>> testing.
>>  
>> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, 22June, 2022 at 18:53
>> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
>> 
>> Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
>> Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
>> that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
>> versions are definitely problematic.
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>>   I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
>> documents and it is surprisingly accessible.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Works fine for me. 
>>  
>>  Later... 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger > <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work 
>> but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t 
>> work very well.
>> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using 
>> VoiceOver. 
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. 
>> It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
>> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
>> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland > <mailto:alel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s another question for the group:
>>  
>> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
>> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
>> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
>> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
>> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
>> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
>> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
>> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
>> Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
>> know about MS Word for MacOS...
>>  
>> Thanks and high fives all around,
>> Andrew
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger > <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Andrew,
>>  
>> I’m sorry to hear you are gett

Re: Working around MS Word

['ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries]

Updating to the latest Microsoft Word version from Office 365 probably won’t 
address all of your concerns, but it may eliminate the worst of them, if you’ve 
been using an outdated version. I would also recommend Mac OS Monterey with 
everything up to date.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jürgen Fleger 
Date: Thursday, 23June, 2022 at 08:48
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
""Hi,
OK, I'll give Word another chance. Some months ago it was awful.
Pages workes quite great. I'd love to see VO reading more attributes after 
pressing VO t but all in all I like it very much.
Jürgen

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 23.06.2022 um 14:32 schrieb 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries 
:

Also, I’ve read positive reports about the accessibility of Pages from those 
who’ve used it much more than I have. I’ve only run it a few times for testing.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Wednesday, 22June, 2022 at 18:53
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
versions are definitely problematic.



On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
documents and it is surprisingly accessible.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT






On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Works fine for me.

 Later...

Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but 
in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work 
very well.
In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver.
Jürgen


Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:

Hi,

I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
import and export to Microsoft Word easily.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland 
mailto:alel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here’s another question for the group:

One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I 
have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I 
primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word 
entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported 
docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does 
anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a 
more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to 
think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of 
resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...

Thanks and high fives all around,
Andrew


On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look 
on applevis.com<http://applevis.com/>. Very rich.

Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.

Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. 
Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very 
disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.

All the best
Jürgen




Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland 
mailto:alel...@gmail.com>>:

Hey all,

I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the 
JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
VoiceOver for MacOS).

Anyway none of this has anything to do with my q

Re: Working around MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

""Hi,
OK, I'll give Word another chance. Some months ago it was awful. 
Pages workes quite great. I'd love to see VO reading more attributes after 
pressing VO t but all in all I like it very much.
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 23.06.2022 um 14:32 schrieb 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> 
> Also, I’ve read positive reports about the accessibility of Pages from those 
> who’ve used it much more than I have. I’ve only run it a few times for 
> testing.
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Wednesday, 22June, 2022 at 18:53
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
> 
> Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
> Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
> that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
> versions are definitely problematic.
> 
> 
> On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese  wrote:
>  
>   I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
> documents and it is surprisingly accessible.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Works fine for me. 
>  
>  Later... 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but 
> in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work 
> very well.
> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. 
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
> is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
>  
> Later…
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
>  
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, 
> though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about 
> MS Word for MacOS...
>  
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>  
> Hi Andrew,
>  
> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
> list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a 
> look on applevis.com. Very rich.
>  
> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
> Finder.
>  
> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
>  
> All the best
> Jürgen
>  
> 
> 
> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :
>  
> Hey all,
>  
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
>  
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
>  
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deletin

Re: Working around MS Word

['ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries]

Also, I’ve read positive reports about the accessibility of Pages from those 
who’ve used it much more than I have. I’ve only run it a few times for testing.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Wednesday, 22June, 2022 at 18:53
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
versions are definitely problematic.


On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
documents and it is surprisingly accessible.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com<mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Works fine for me.

 Later...

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but 
in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work 
very well.
In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver.
Jürgen

Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:

Hi,

I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
import and export to Microsoft Word easily.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland 
mailto:alel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Here’s another question for the group:

One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I 
have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I 
primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word 
entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported 
docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does 
anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a 
more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to 
think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of 
resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...

Thanks and high fives all around,
Andrew

On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger 
mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look 
on applevis.com<http://applevis.com/>. Very rich.

Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.

Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. 
Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very 
disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.

All the best
Jürgen



Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland 
mailto:alel...@gmail.com>>:

Hey all,

I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the 
JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
VoiceOver for MacOS).

Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
follows:

is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go back 
and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had the 
courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete file in 
the finder?

thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
Andrew Leland
alel...@gmail.com<mailto:alel...@gmail.com>

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Re: Working around MS Word

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
versions are definitely problematic.

> On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
> documents and it is surprisingly accessible.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Works fine for me. 
>> 
>>  Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work 
>>> but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word 
>>> doesn’t work very well.
>>> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using 
>>> VoiceOver. 
>>> Jürgen
 Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. 
 It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
 back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
 import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  > wrote:
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
> 
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is 
> that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes 
> and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I 
> can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the 
> formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments 
> on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with 
> track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on 
> the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t 
> have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate 
> considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...
> 
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
>>  On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
>> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
>> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
>> 
>> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
>> Finder.
>> 
>> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
>> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In 
>> this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do 
>> better.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
>>> blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
>>> never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS 
>>> Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac 
>>> stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word 
>>> processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the 
>>> web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>>> 
>>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which 
>>> is as follows: 
>>> 
>>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
>>> deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
>>> "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step 
>>> of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly 
>>> tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with 
>>> VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient 
>>> than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Working around MS Word

[John Panarese]

  I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
documents and it is surprisingly accessible.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Works fine for me. 
> 
>  Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work 
>> but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t 
>> work very well.
>> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using 
>> VoiceOver. 
>> Jürgen
>>> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. 
>>> It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
>>> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
>>> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland >>> > wrote:
 
 Here’s another question for the group:
 
 One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is 
 that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
 comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t 
 give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of 
 the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
 receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes 
 and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like 
 maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
 Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
 know about MS Word for MacOS...
 
 Thanks and high fives all around,
 Andrew
>   On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
> 
> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
> Finder.
> 
> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland > >:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
>> blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
>> never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS 
>> Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac 
>> stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word 
>> processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the 
>> web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>> 
>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which 
>> is as follows: 
>> 
>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
>> deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
>> "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of 
>> having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly 
>> tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with 
>> VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient 
>> than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?
>> 
>> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
>> Andrew Leland
>> alel...@gmail.com 
>> 
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Re: Working around MS Word

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,Works fine for me.  Later... Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work very well.In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. JürgenAm 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries :Hi,I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can import and export to Microsoft Word easily.Later…Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:Here’s another question for the group:One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...Thanks and high fives all around,Andrew	On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:Hi Andrew,I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look on applevis.com. Very rich.Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.All the bestJürgenAm 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :Hey all,I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as follows: is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!Andrew Lelandalel...@gmail.com-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/842844b8-a378-470e-8a43-7a2157847c1en%40googlegroups.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe 

Re: Working around MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but in 
the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work very 
well.
In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. 
Jürgen
> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
> is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s another question for the group:
>> 
>> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
>> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
>> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
>> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
>> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
>> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
>> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
>> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
>> Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
>> know about MS Word for MacOS...
>> 
>> Thanks and high fives all around,
>> Andrew
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
>>> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
>>> have a look on applevis.com . Very rich.
>>> 
>>> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
>>> Finder.
>>> 
>>> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
>>> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
>>> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>>> 
 Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland >>> >:
 
 Hey all,
 
 I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
 blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
 never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word 
 in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops 
 working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. 
 (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more 
 reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
 
 Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is 
 as follows: 
 
 is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
 deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
 "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of 
 having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried 
 reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver 
 but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, 
 paste file, delete file in the finder?
 
 thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
 Andrew Leland
 alel...@gmail.com 
 
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Re: Working around MS Word

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can import and export to Microsoft Word easily.Later…Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:Here’s another question for the group:One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about MS Word for MacOS...Thanks and high fives all around,Andrew	On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:Hi Andrew,I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look on applevis.com. Very rich.Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.All the bestJürgenAm 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :Hey all,I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as follows: is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete file in the finder?thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!Andrew Lelandalel...@gmail.com-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/842844b8-a378-470e-8a43-7a2157847c1en%40googlegroups.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/57558F98-44C3-431D-AD7A-0606387A2057%40fleger.net.



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