Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-08-30 Thread Hermann Lacheiner
Johannes Eickhold wrote: Has anybody found a solution to this problem that avoids reflashing? Reflashing would cause me a lot of work :-/. It's apparently caused by upgrading the gst-plugins-farsight package. Removing /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstrtpjitterbuffer.so (which segfaults) solves

Re: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/30, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, But you do have! Just click the LXR link on the left of the tutorial page. The Hildon framework sources are publicly available (and have been for a long time). Unfortunately when people say sources for 770 they do tend to mean IT200x (the

[maemo-developers] Re: [fbreader] ZBedic integration

2006-08-30 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, When I try to start /usr/bin/dictd I get: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/dictd: not found If the kernel / dynamic loader cannot load the binary, you get a message like this. I think it can happen also if some library linked by the binary is missing. dictd is simply taken from the Debian package for

Re: [maemo-developers] Linux kernel source code

2006-08-30 Thread Kimmo Ahola
Hello All, looks like I have to answer this myself because I have not received any other help instructions. The same happened when I was asking where is the WLAN driver sources for 2.6.16 kernel, see http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-August/005049.html The correct answer to

[maemo-developers] Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, On Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources... Christian Pernegger wrote: The chroot + rootstrap approch itself would be nice enough if the environment were exactly the same as a 770, that is including applications. Hm. Applications are not a development environment unless they are

Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-08-30 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Johannes Eickhold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be a good idea not to say You can freely alternate between AI 2006 and apt-get, say. Changes done to the system via apt-get or dpkg are picked up by the AI 2006 without confusing it, and vice versa. like [1] does, if it can

RE: [maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop

2006-08-30 Thread Weinehall David (Nokia-M/Tampere)
On tis, 2006-08-29 at 12:52 -0300, ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: I wish the Notes instead of Maemopad. My english is so bad? Sorry. May be in portuguese: Eu quero o código fonte do Notes, o Maemopad não me interessa... E eu quero que você também explique o motivo de

Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-08-30 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:25:04 +0300 Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Johannes Eickhold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be a good idea not to say You can freely alternate between AI 2006 and apt-get, say. Changes done to the system via apt-get or dpkg are picked up by

Re: [maemo-developers] Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eero Tamminen schreef: snip 1. cross-configure Autotools (autoconf, automake etc) using Linux desktop software, nor tried to 2. cross-build Debian packages 1) Is something that only OpenEmbedded provides in addition to Sbox and even with

Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-08-30 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggested on IRC yesterday to modify the postinst script of maemo-af-desktop (or whatever the package that restarts an important process and causes the lifeguard to reboot) to not stop/restart the process. I think you are now talking about

Re: [maemo-developers] Reboot Cycle

2006-08-30 Thread Carlos Guerreiro
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:25:04 +0300 Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Johannes Eickhold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be a good idea not to say You can freely alternate between AI 2006 and apt-get, say. Changes done to the system via apt-get or dpkg are

[maemo-developers] osso-pdf-viewer sources availability

2006-08-30 Thread Kirill Belokurov
Hi, I am trying to find sources of the 'osso-pdf-viewer' package, but seems they are not available (did a search around http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ but with no success). According to this package reference list: http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/packages/package_reference.html the

Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 02:46:34PM -0300, ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: Tell me how to write unicode chars (because is certainly changed) would be the most correct way to silence me. See Ross Burton's mail in this very thread. ___ maemo-developers

Re: [maemo-developers] Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Eero Tamminen wrote: - Qemu is far away from being able to emulate the whole ARM device (currently it emulates just most of the user-space stuff and calls the host kernel for rest) Not that far. I think at least one system emulation of ARM board is supported in 0.8.x version and

Re: [maemo-developers] SDK vs. device: libSM and libICE

2006-08-30 Thread Christian Henz
On Tuesday 29 August 2006 14:50, you wrote: Cristian, have a look at this http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-July/004489.html My point is that the libs are only in the maemo repository. They are not on the device or the catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com repository. I do not want

Re: [maemo-developers] Linux kernel source code

2006-08-30 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 10:41, ext Kimmo Ahola wrote: ... Kernel is compiling cleanly with the cs2005q3.2 toolchain, is there some good reason not to use that to compile whole system (IT2006Maemo2.0 and kernel)??? I believe the kernel and initfs are compiled with a different compiler (and

[maemo-developers] rebooting constantly after upgrading packages

2006-08-30 Thread Andrey Khurri
Hi, I just did 'apt-get upgrade' with my tablet. After fetching packages it started unpacking and replace them as usual. After it reached maemo-launcher and osso-sounds-ui the tablet rebooted automatically, booted back completely (ran desktop environment and so on). But at this point it

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: [fbreader] ZBedic integration

2006-08-30 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:31:17 +0300 Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:26:43 -0400 Kasper Souren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting closer to getting MaemoDict to run on Maemo 2.0. But it seems that the binary dictd I'm using is not working. ... dictd is

Re: [maemo-developers] Difference between retail rootfs and developer rootfs

2006-08-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/29, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What's the difference between the rootfs installed by default on devices that ship with OS2006 and Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.0_armel- rootfs.jffs2 (besides USB networking and root access being enabled)? What does easier debugging mean besides root access?

[maemo-developers] Re: rebooting constantly after upgrading packages

2006-08-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Andrey Khurri wrote: Hi, I just did 'apt-get upgrade' with my tablet. After fetching packages it started unpacking and replace them as usual. After it reached maemo-launcher and osso-sounds-ui the tablet rebooted automatically, booted back completely (ran desktop environment and so on).

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: rebooting constantly after upgrading packages

2006-08-30 Thread Álvaro J. Iradier
Yes, basically you'll need to disable lifeguard flag, and then complete the apt-get upgrade using ssh (when updating maemo-launcher xterm will be killed). Greets. On 8/30/06, Sebastian Spaeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrey Khurri wrote: Hi, I just did 'apt-get upgrade' with my tablet.

Re: [maemo-developers] SDK vs. device: libSM and libICE

2006-08-30 Thread Johannes Eickhold
Am Mittwoch, den 30.08.2006, 12:19 +0200 schrieb Christian Henz: On Tuesday 29 August 2006 14:50, you wrote: Cristian, have a look at this http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-July/004489.html My point is that the libs are only in the maemo repository. They are not on

Re: [maemo-developers] SDK vs. device: libSM and libICE

2006-08-30 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, My point is that the libs are only in the maemo repository. They are not on the device or the catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com repository. I do not want to install them on the device since I don't even need them. They are just linked because they are found on the SDK. And you can not

[maemo-developers] ROOTFS

2006-08-30 Thread Erin Stadler
Hi, I have been struggling the last 2 days to get the development root file system running on my 770. I flashed the rootfs you can download and the unit would not come up. I then tried following the remaining directions at

Re: [maemo-developers] Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Christian Pernegger
You can remove the applications on the device and replace them with open source alternatives (e.g. Notes with Leafpad). Didn't know that was easily possible. Or were you expecting to be able to legally take the whole Nokia product SW and commission some Chinese HW manafacturer to make cheap

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: rebooting constantly after upgrading packages

2006-08-30 Thread Santtu Lakkala
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: Yes, basically you'll need to disable lifeguard flag, and then complete the apt-get upgrade using ssh (when updating maemo-launcher xterm will be killed). This actually depends on which version of osso-xterm is used, the

Re: [maemo-developers] ROOTFS

2006-08-30 Thread Gareth Bailey
Did you up grade to the IT 2006 OS before flashing the developer rootfs? I think you need to do that first before you flash the 2.0 dev rootfs. info on Internet Tablet 2006 is at: http://www.maemo.org/downloads/releases.html#maemo20 Also you should not need to modify the rootfs just to flash

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 11:47 -0400, John B. Holmblad wrote: Andrew, regarding your comment on support for Kimset I would add that with the proliferation of so-called Municipal WIFI networks here in the U.S., it behooves Nokia to make the M770 attractive/useful not only to software developers

RE: [maemo-developers] ROOTFS

2006-08-30 Thread Erin Stadler
That was exactly the issue. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Gareth Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:16 AM To: Erin Stadler Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] ROOTFS Did you up grade to the IT 2006 OS before flashing the

[maemo-developers] Re: Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Ross Burton
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 18:00 +0200, Christian Pernegger wrote: Or were you expecting to be able to legally take the whole Nokia product SW and commission some Chinese HW manafacturer to make cheap rip-offs maybe...? :-) Not that funny. While I have personally neither interest or capital

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/30, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 11:47 -0400, John B. Holmblad wrote: Andrew, regarding your comment on support for Kimset I would add that with the proliferation of so-called Municipal WIFI networks here in the U.S., it behooves Nokia to make the M770

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Paulo Pires
On 8/30/06, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/8/30, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but do you mean this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/It would be good if that page was really alive.-Paulo Pires ___

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 19:47 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but do you mean this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ License: GNU General Public License (GPL) doesn't sound too binary, even though GPL tends to be a bit black-and-white in it's license

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2006/8/30, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 19:47 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but do you mean this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ License: GNU General Public License (GPL) doesn't sound too binary, even though GPL tends to

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kalle Vahlman schreef: Hmm, I've always been under the impression that any kind of combination of binary-only and GPL code would be in violation... IANAL of course. Slightly a different issue, but a nice read anyway:

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Christian Pernegger
Some of the applications on the 770 are not open for various reasons There were a few examples of stuff that might understandably be closed in my last post, feel free to add Opera to that, even Flash if you like (as old as the supplied version is, one of the FOSS re-writes might give it a run

[maemo-developers] community

2006-08-30 Thread vern
Ola, [Obs: I think the correct list for this to go to would be maemo-community but since that is not an option on http://www.maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html I am posting here] [Obs2: This is intended as constructive criticism. Any other inference was not my intent] Creating a strong

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Michael Wiktowy
On 8/30/06, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Kalle Vahlman schreef: Hmm, I've always been under the impression that any kind of combination of binary-only and GPL code would be in violation... IANAL of course.Slightly a different issue, but a nice

Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 15:56 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think the waters are all that clear in this situation. No, unfortunately they're not. IANAL but it is my understanding that most countries have RFI laws that do not allow RF chip manufacturers to allow their

[maemo-developers] Re: RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi, On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:56:12 +0200, Christian Pernegger wrote: I am just telling some truths that others should know. I'm with you insofar as - setting up the developent environment was a bitch yeah. Better now, though. Or I got used to it o_O - it still doesn't give you the same

Re: [maemo-developers] community

2006-08-30 Thread vern
Paulo Pires wrote: Ola, Ubuntu took time to get where it is and it was heavily funded as it is today. Ola, Mmm..I don' t think funding has much to do with it. It has to do with approach. Ubuntu sees the distribution model from a different perspective,completely the opposite from normal

Re: [maemo-developers] community

2006-08-30 Thread Paulo Pires
Well you cannot compare things like an open-source OS (Linux) and its bundled tools as a distro (Ubuntu) to something like Nokia 770 (hardware device). Now if we're talking about comparing the way Ubuntu works to how IT200xOS works, that's another thing.. ;-) -Paulo PiresOn 8/30/06, vern [EMAIL

[maemo-developers] Re: RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi, On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:12:06 -0400, Andrew Barr wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 15:56 -0400, Michael Wiktowy wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think the waters are all that clear in this situation. No, unfortunately they're not. IANAL but it is my understanding that most countries have

Re: [maemo-developers] community

2006-08-30 Thread George Farris
On Wed, 2006-30-08 at 21:45 +0100, Paulo Pires wrote: Ola, Ubuntu took time to get where it is and it was heavily funded as it is today. I believe Nokia 770 will get much further (comparing to its current state) with time too. Well if they don't get their act together and fix the white

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: RE: Nokia 770 sources...

2006-08-30 Thread Acadia Secure Networks
Title: Best Regards, Danny, your point concerning radio complexity is well taken. Forbes had an article last year entitled "Does Open-Source Software Make The FCC Irrelevant?" Here is the url to the www page for that article for those interested:

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Re: Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 21:11 +0100, Ross Burton wrote: I seriously doubt that a Free Flash will match the official Flash for some time, but that is another story. The blog for the Linux port of Flash is very interesting: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/. One of the recent posts talks

[maemo-developers] Re: What has happend with ogg-vorbis in IT200?

2006-08-30 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi, On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:22:15 +0300, Siarhei Siamashka wrote: On Sunday 23 July 2006 16:28, Clemens Eisserer wrote: I can't believe it, what has happend to ogg vorbis support in IT2006. Nokia more or less promised it (said they don't have enough time to do it in IT2005). Feel free to

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Re: Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:47:33PM -0400, ext Andrew Barr wrote: That penguin.swf blog is only mildly interesting, though. Cairo (do they mean XRender too or just Cairo?) might not work but if you've ever used the Linux Flash player on anything but cutting-edge hardware you know they need to

[maemo-developers] Re: What has happend with ogg-vorbis in IT200?

2006-08-30 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi, On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:22:15 +0300, Siarhei Siamashka wrote: [...] Check this link, seems like it contains the information you are looking for: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html I tried this and can't get it to work. After doing all the steps, the file manager

[maemo-developers] Re: RE: [maemo-users] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?

2006-08-30 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi, Traditional as I am when it comes to GUIs, I'd like to have a panel like this (think icons instead of text in the following): [Mail] [Feed] [Web] [All Applications] Each of those shall be a launcher. If one of them were running, it shall be marked as such: [Mail] [Feed] [Web (1)] [All

[maemo-developers] Kismet now usable

2006-08-30 Thread Andrew Barr
I don't know how many of you frequent the Internet Tablet Talk forums (I don't--I was looking for Maemo Mapper info) but someone posted there[1] that the Kismet web site says that they now have code to validate frames reported by the WLAN driver--so theoretically goodbye to the ghost network

Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Scratchbox is not an emulator

2006-08-30 Thread Carlos Guerreiro
From reading this list and the fact that the chroot environment is quite bare I got the impression that even stuff Nokia did not license from other companies but develop themselves was closed as well -- that might well be wrong, so I'll go look through the svn before I say anything else :)