[RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Niels Breet
Hi all, Here is my first suggestion to clean up the complete mess we have at the moment when it comes to package categories in the maemo extras repository. There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state we are in now. We have these nice categories for example: 'Boingo',

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Niels Breet
ext Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state we are in now. There is, http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html: Ok, we need to get this in the official documentation. I don't think many developers will

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state we are in now. There is, http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/packaging-stable.html: Segments and Sections By default, the AM only shows packages in certain segments to

RE: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Simon Pickering
user/accessoriesAccessories user/communication Communication user/games Games user/multimedia Multimedia user/office Office user/other Other user/programmingProgramming user/supportSupport user/themes Themes user/tools

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Simon Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can the Debian system support multiple sub-categories? E.g. user/multimedia/Ringtones That would be debtags, http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ We have been talking about using debtags instead of the Section: user/FOO hack to control visibility,

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We need to come up with an official list and don't allow new categories to be created unless the community feels it is needed. I am sure you notice the conflict here:

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Jussi Kukkonen
Niels Breet wrote: Hi all, Here is my first suggestion to clean up the complete mess we have at the moment when it comes to package categories in the maemo extras repository. There is no official list of categories, which has brought us to state we are in now. We have these nice

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Marius Vollmer I am sure you notice the conflict here: whatever list you come up with will be unsuitable for someone. You want strict policy enforcement, based on community 'feelings'. How can that work? Can

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's what we've got now! Yeah, but you cut the important part: At the same time, make it possible for people to improve policy compliance by doing concrete work

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 12:33:26 Marius Vollmer wrote: I am sure you notice the conflict here: whatever list you come up with will be unsuitable for someone. You want strict policy enforcement, based on community 'feelings'. How can that work? I am strongly against strict enforcement. All

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:33:31 Jussi Kukkonen wrote: I agree, but apparently many do not. You may remember I posted about this a few months ago: In addition to complaining I also filed dozens of bugs in various places. That was very useful, thanks. For GPE I fixed the packages appearing

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:36:15 Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having said that, perhaps the MOTU-style proposal of gatekeepers doing QA checks could help here. Deviation is permitted, if it gets through a gatekeeper: Yes, I agree. I was proposing

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Neal H. Walfield
At Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:52:07 +0100, Graham Cobb wrote: The second problem is the real problem: categories are random, overlapp or are just variant words for the same thing and are not translated. As someone suggested when this was last discussed, some months ago, I believe there should

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
I agree with what Graham suggests. Good maintainers will follow the category list and try to figure out where to put their packages and are still able to create a new one (eventually accepted or rejected) by the community. Bad ones will be reported of their mistakes. The AM could follow the

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Graham Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 17 April 2008 13:36:15 Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having said that, perhaps the MOTU-style proposal of gatekeepers doing QA checks could help here. Deviation is permitted, if it gets through a

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The gatekeepers would be the ones fixing non-compliance (by rejecting violations, or by correcting them directly). I agree. Excellent, we've got the start of consensus :-) But we still need someone that is able/willing to actually execute

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Graham Cobb
On Thursday 17 April 2008 14:46:04 Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Graham Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NO. NO. NO! No one gets to change my package! Don't worry, nobody is going to do that. :-) I was thinking about the normal Debian 'overrides' machinery. I realised that was the mechanism

Re: [RFC] Maemo package guidelines: mandatory categories

2008-04-17 Thread Allen Brown
Yes! Yes! A thousand times, yes! -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown Hi all, Here is my first suggestion to clean up the complete mess we have at the moment when it comes to package categories in the maemo extras repository. There is no official list of categories,