All,
for what it is worth. battery charge duration is appearing as an issue
with the Motorola Droid as well. I have started using a Droid and I
notice that I need to charge it every night, and, if I fail to do that,
then the next day it runs low on battery charge. Here is the url to
some
Any smartphone with a fair amount use is going to require charging everyday.
If I'm really working it, I can kill mine in a couple hours. I have a
charger in my car, at my desk at work and at home, so it's never that much
of an issue.
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John B. Holmblad
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
I repeated three runs with ffvorbis and got a bit over three hours
more battery life with the headset connected compared to my earlier
ffvorbis tests without the headset.
And now I repeated the test runs with Flac. The battery lasted roughly
1.5 hours longer than while
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi wrote:
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
I repeated three runs with ffvorbis and got a bit over three hours
more battery life with the headset connected compared to my earlier
ffvorbis tests without the headset.
And now I repeated the test runs
Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi wrote:
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
I repeated three runs with ffvorbis and got a bit over three hours
more battery life with the headset connected compared to my earlier
ffvorbis tests without the headset.
And now
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Tuomas Kulve wrote:
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
An N8x0 in offline mode (idle) consumes much less energy in a night
than its minutes-long start up.
Does somebody have any data on this?
Here is some data:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=361648postcount=23
Abstract:
2009/11/10 Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi:
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
An N8x0 in offline mode (idle) consumes much less energy in a night
than its minutes-long start up.
Does somebody have any data on this?
I don't, but I do remember an e-mail or thread somewhere long ago about this.
I was
2009/11/11 Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Tuomas Kulve wrote:
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
An N8x0 in offline mode (idle) consumes much less energy in a night
than its minutes-long start up.
Does somebody have any data on this?
Here is some data:
Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
Here is some data:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=361648postcount=23
Abstract: The often repeated claim that a reboot cycle wastes a lot of
battery is incorrect.
Hmm, you proved you can drain battery in 44 reboot cycles in 2 and half
hours. To me it says
2009/11/11 Frantisek Dufka duf...@seznam.cz:
Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
Here is some data:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=361648postcount=23
Abstract: The often repeated claim that a reboot cycle wastes a lot of
battery is incorrect.
Hmm, you proved you can drain battery in 44 reboot
Frantisek Dufka wrote:
I have posted my findings with one spare N810 to that thread. I got like
30 days with N810 sitting completely idle. That would roughly mean one
reboot is 16 hours of standby (with no wi-fi).
30 days. That's quite nice. Any idea why n900 gets only to 4 days then?
What
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
The issue was (abstract) if a reboot would consume more energy than a
night-long idle.
As I said - by Matan's equation in the forum post, one
reboot is 16 hours of standby. So at least with wi-fi off, keeping it
idle looks better. I was thinking about testing with
2009/11/11 Frantisek Dufka duf...@seznam.cz:
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
The issue was (abstract) if a reboot would consume more energy than a
night-long idle.
As I said - by Matan's equation in the forum post, one
reboot is 16 hours of standby. So at least with wi-fi off, keeping it
idle
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
Here is some data:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=361648postcount=23
Abstract: The often repeated claim that a reboot cycle wastes a lot of
battery is incorrect.
Hmm, you proved you can drain battery in 44 reboot
Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
I cannot play video for 2.5 hours on my almost 2 years old N810. I can
hardly read an ebook for this long.
In addition I have dual boot, including 30s delay. During this delay
screen is on maximum brightness, and I don't know which power saving
features are enabled,
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Frantisek Dufka duf...@seznam.cz wrote:
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
The issue was (abstract) if a reboot would consume more energy than a
night-long idle.
As I said - by Matan's equation in the forum post, one
reboot is 16 hours of standby. So at least with
Hi,
ext Tuomas Kulve wrote:
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
There is a bug in the cellmo SW related to absence of SIM: the current is
higher when the SIM is not in.
So in real life use case (i assume people who will buy it will actually use
it as a phone) the use time
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:56:13 +0200
Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote:
I would expect most people just to charge without shutting down
the device.
(You may remember that e.g. N8x0 use less battery if it's put to
offline-mode instead of being shut down for the night.)
heh? why is
2009/11/10 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:56:13 +0200
Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com wrote:
I would expect most people just to charge without shutting down
the device.
(You may remember that e.g. N8x0 use less battery if it's put to
offline-mode
Eero Tamminen wrote:
The previous test was without a SIM card. The device was very idle and
run for 93.75 hours (with a guessed few hour error marginal).
After charging the battery I inserted the SIM card, rebooted and started
a new test.
Why reboot?
So that I know the start scenario is
Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
An N8x0 in offline mode (idle) consumes much less energy in a night
than its minutes-long start up.
Does somebody have any data on this?
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi wrote:
Eero Tamminen wrote:
(You may remember that e.g. N8x0 use less battery if it's put to
offline-mode instead of being shut down for the night.)
How's that possible? Offline mode shuts down the wireless stuff but
still runs
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.
Offset? Is that something that affects the MP3 in a different manner
than Ogg?
It should be the same, but since you are interested in
I wrote a blog post about my ogg vs. mp3 measurements:
http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/
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On Saturday 07 November 2009 11:55:52 Tuomas Kulve wrote:
I wrote a blog post about my ogg vs. mp3 measurements:
http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/
Wow, awseome! thanks for that very interessting blog entry.
Regards,
Max
hi,
From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf
Of ext Tuomas Kulve [tuo...@kulve.fi]
Sent: 07 November 2009 12:55
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Subject: Re: N900 battery duration
I. wrote a blog post about my ogg vs. mp3
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
Sorry to again make these comments after you have run the measurement.
But in your cases you are seeing an offset due to the speaker protection
algorythms.
Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.
Offset? Is that something that
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.
Offset? Is that something that affects the MP3 in a different manner
than Ogg?
It should be the same, but since you are interested in the power
consumption of the
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
It should be the same, but since you are interested in the power
consumption of the decoding activity - if i understood correctly -
then you get an unknown term, which can also have 2nd order
effects due to the different timing and choices that both cpuidle
and
Hello,
igor.sto...@nokia.com a écrit :
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
Running the test with a headset plugged in would get rid of the offset.
Offset? Is that something that affects the MP3 in a different manner
than Ogg?
It should be the same, but since you are
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
I was more interested to know the difference between the mp3 and ogg.
Then i think it's more appropriate to do it with headset.
Unless yourl typical usecase is really to listen from the speakers - in which
case i'd rather recommend to use the fm transmitter and larger
Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote:
But how the speaker protection algorythms can make a difference between
ffvorbis and libvorbis since the output should be exactly the same ?
both cpuidle and cpufreq target the next state based on activity and
idleness thresholds.
if the algos add just enough to
I just managed to keep my n900 online for about 92 hours.
how?
- no wifi, 3g, edge or bluetooth
- a few short calls. not more then 10 mins in total
- about 5 hours of media player + FM transmitter (!) usage (playing mp3
files)
- I shut it down every evening and started it each morning, writing
From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org [maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf
Of ext Tuomas Kulve [tuo...@kulve.fi]
Sent: 30 October 2009 07:41
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Subject: Re: N900 battery duration
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
So pretty close to the test
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
Even if the duration might be the same, the SIM card actually triggers
network activity.
Depending on the operator having firewalls or not, this also makes the phone
spend more
energy when stuff like port scans are coming.
I didn't have data connection open,
Tuomas Kulve wrote:
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
There is a bug in the cellmo SW related to absence of SIM: the current is
higher when the SIM is not in.
So in real life use case (i assume people who will buy it will actually use
it as a phone) the use time will be longer.
I guess I need
Andrew Flegg wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:34, Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi wrote:
This is now run on a 41-10 release without SIM, without WLAN, without
charger, with only ogg-support and sshd installed (default widgets on
the desktop), and display blanked via the lock button:
C4 |
Subject: Re: N900 battery duration
Andrew Flegg wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:34, Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi wrote:
This is now run on a 41-10 release without SIM, without WLAN, without
charger, with only ogg-support and sshd installed (default widgets on
the desktop), and display blanked
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote:
There is a bug in the cellmo SW related to absence of SIM: the current is
higher when the SIM is not in.
So in real life use case (i assume people who will buy it will actually use
it as a phone) the use time will be longer.
I guess I need to do more testing
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:48:27AM +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote:
after some days using the N900 (with already lot of charge/discharge
cicles) I'd like to compare my battery duration with other people.
During the first days I used the N900 a lot, including browsing the
web, instant messaging,
Hi,
ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
2009/10/17 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/16 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
What widgets do you have on the desktop? RSS? Facebook? Foreca?
I've Facebook, Calendar,
Hi,
2009/10/20 Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com:
Do you have RD-mode or RD-flags enabled?
how can I know it? I just installed the utility to become root (sudo gainroot)
Are you charging your device until the led shows green?
yes
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Hi,
ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
Do you have RD-mode or RD-flags enabled?
how can I know it? I just installed the utility to become root (sudo gainroot)
cal-tool --get-rd-mode --get-rd-flags
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2009/10/20 Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com:
Hi,
2009/10/20 Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com:
Do you have RD-mode or RD-flags enabled?
how can I know it? I just installed the utility to become root (sudo gainroot)
You know it, because you've got to enable it via flasher :)
So if you
Hi,
2009/10/20 Eero Tamminen eero.tammi...@nokia.com:
Hi,
ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
Do you have RD-mode or RD-flags enabled?
how can I know it? I just installed the utility to become root (sudo
gainroot)
cal-tool --get-rd-mode --get-rd-flags
it replies: disabled
by the way: I've seen
Hi,
ext Andrea Grandi wrote:
Do you have RD-mode or RD-flags enabled?
how can I know it? I just installed the utility to become root (sudo
gainroot)
cal-tool --get-rd-mode --get-rd-flags
it replies: disabled
by the way: I've seen that connecting to Simyo UMTS/HSDPA (which is
ALWAYS in
Andrea Grandi wrote:
Anyway, here is the result of powertop execution on my N900:
http://pastebin.ca/1624111
In the PID activity list there are quite many skyhost prosesses, some
of which are quite active. Those may also keep the WLAN busy as the
wl12xx process is very active as well.
Skyhost
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2009/10/16 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
What widgets do you have on the desktop? RSS? Facebook? Foreca?
I've Facebook, Calendar, Forecast and two shortcut to start Phone and
Contacts.
Try removing the third
Hi,
2009/10/17 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2009/10/16 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
What widgets do you have on the desktop? RSS? Facebook? Foreca?
I've Facebook, Calendar, Forecast and two
Hi all,
after some days using the N900 (with already lot of charge/discharge
cicles) I'd like to compare my battery duration with other people.
At least for me, battery doesn't last so much... for example one day I
charged it at 10:30 and it lasted only until 18:30 without using GPS,
fotocamera,
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:48:27 +0200
Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
after some days using the N900 (with already lot of charge/discharge
cicles) I'd like to compare my battery duration with other people.
At least for me, battery doesn't last so much... for example one day I
Hallo!
Around 2, possible 2 1/2 days, with device beeing around 12 hours per day
in Wifi.
No special application running besides EMail program. A higher number of
EMail receives with
partial soundplayingand vibrating. Active SIM card but no traffic.
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Gruß...
Tim
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:48:27AM +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote:
after some days using the N900 (with already lot of charge/discharge
cicles) I'd like to compare my battery duration with other people.
At least for me, battery doesn't last so much... for example one day I
charged it at 10:30
Hi,
2009/10/16 Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt:
Not that I've seen longer life on mine, but I use mine a lot. A day or
two ago it survived from 8 AM to 2 PM while online using 3G (and later
WiFi), with almost constant web browsing, email checking, note taking
and GPS usage. I started charging
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:02, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you tried running powertop in an xterm and looking at the output?
command not found... do I have to install it?
No, you have to be root.
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Hi,
2009/10/16 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:02, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote:
Have you tried running powertop in an xterm and looking at the output?
command not found... do I have to install it?
No, you have to be root.
this is what I get:
# powertop
Hi,
Andrea Grandi wrote:
At least for me, battery doesn't last so much... for example one day I
charged it at 10:30 and it lasted only until 18:30 without using GPS,
fotocamera, wifi, bluetooth, ecc just 20 minutes connected in
UMTS/HSDPA and the rest of the time keeping it in my pocket.
On Friday 16 October 2009 10:48:27 Andrea Grandi wrote:
after some days using the N900 (with already lot of charge/discharge
cicles) I'd like to compare my battery duration with other people.
I get a little over a day, so if I forget to charge it at night, it's game
over somewhere early next
Andrea Grandi wrote:
# powertop
Powertop 1.13.3
status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon
Mounting debugfs...FAILED
I get the same.
Any idea what's that about?
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Andrea Grandi wrote:
# powertop
Powertop 1.13.3
status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon
Mounting debugfs...FAILED
I get the same.
Any idea what's that about?
I'm just wondering if there's a correlation with firmware
Hi Andrea,
I've been using the N900 since last Saturday as my main mobile phone and
messaging device and for some light browsing and blog reading. I use the
always on Internet connection option and while I'm in the office the
N900 frequently switches between Wifi and Edge (no 3G here in the
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 19:56, Kai Thomsen thoms...@t-online.de wrote:
So far the battery has usually lasted between a full day and
one and a half days.
What widgets do you have on the desktop? RSS? Facebook? Foreca?
Thanks in advance,
Andrew
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Hi,
2009/10/16 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org:
What widgets do you have on the desktop? RSS? Facebook? Foreca?
I've Facebook, Calendar, Forecast and two shortcut to start Phone and Contacts.
p.s: about services, when I go online I register to: Skype, SIP number
and Gtalk.
Thanks in advance,
I have the calendar and Facebook widgets on the desktop. And since the
last reboot (yeah, there are still some stability issues ;-)) two days
ago the Email, Messaging, RSS, Phone, and Internet apps are open.
Cheers,
Kai
Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 20:15 +0100 schrieb Andrew Flegg:
On Fri, Oct
Hmm, Skype and apps like that might suck quite a bit of battery,
depending on how chatty they might become in their idle states. Knowing
a bit about Skype from monitoring a large company network, especially
when it does not get a connection or an unreliable connection it tries
to connect to the
Hi,
2009/10/16 Kai Thomsen thoms...@t-online.de:
Hmm, Skype and apps like that might suck quite a bit of battery,
depending on how chatty they might become in their idle states. Knowing
a bit about Skype from monitoring a large company network, especially
when it does not get a connection or
Hi
p.s: my N900 was connected to charger during this test... do I have to
disconnect it before doing the test?
2009/10/16 Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com:
Hi,
2009/10/16 Kai Thomsen thoms...@t-online.de:
Hmm, Skype and apps like that might suck quite a bit of battery,
depending on how
Andrea Grandi wrote:
Hi
p.s: my N900 was connected to charger during this test... do I have to
disconnect it before doing the test?
The charger seems to mess up the numbers at least somewhat. I'll do more
testing with powertop later.
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Tuomas Kulve wrote:
The charger seems to mess up the numbers at least somewhat. I'll do more
testing with powertop later.
Well, I did a quite test right away.
This is Media Player playing 192kbps VBR Ogg/Vorbis without charger:
C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio
When I think back to the N900 hardware lighting talk and the warning
about not fixing the CPU's clock to one of the high frequencies, I guess
that connecting the N900 to a charger should not change the power
settings of the system, i.e. not like with a laptop CPU that's behaving
differently when
Andrea Grandi wrote:
Anyway, here is the result of powertop execution on my N900:
http://pastebin.ca/1624111
I hope it can help you to understand what's happening :)
Copy paste from the link above:
C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio
Hi,
2009/10/16 Tuomas Kulve tuo...@kulve.fi:
Was that an idle device? It really doesn't look like that. Here's a same
set from my idle device:
no, it wasn't idle: I was connected to SSH and executed command from
my PC, wifi was ON, connected to Skype, GTalk, SIP account.
Facebook, Forecast
OK, I'll do some sniffing over the weekend with a Wifi connection and
post the results on Monday.
Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 21:58 +0200 schrieb Andrea Grandi:
Hi,
2009/10/16 Kai Thomsen thoms...@t-online.de:
Hmm, Skype and apps like that might suck quite a bit of battery,
depending on
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Subject: Re: powertop (was: N900 battery duration)
Andrea Grandi wrote:
# powertop
Powertop 1.13.3
status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon
Mounting debugfs...FAILED
I get
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