On 10/11/30 00:29 -0500, andre999 wrote:
> My point is that a sandbox will facilitate proper support. Which
> would be facilitated by keeping the 2 sets of free repositories.
> And restricting what should be considered core.
> We both know that Mandriva is moving in that direction. Evidently
> re
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
Yann Ciret a écrit :
I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some extension
packages are in contrib. So each time thunderbird rece
t clear.
> >>
> > I think misc already explained it clearly in this mail :
> > https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101129/001503.html
> >
> > If you disagree, you can reply to his email. But don't keep repeating
> > that there's not clear draw
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:56 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
> Isn't choice part of
> what Linux is supposed to be about ?
No.
That's freedom of the source code, not choice. Reread either Gnu
manifesto, or Linus Torvalds biography.
And so, you are free to use the source code for what you want,
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit :
> Yann Ciret a écrit :
>
> > I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case.
> > The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some extension
> > packages are in contrib. So each time thunderbird received security
> >
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 18:29 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit :
> >
> > So either the package is supported, and we keep, or it is not, and then
> > why should we keep it ?
>
> Because it works, at least partially.
Having it wor
Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 14:28 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
I can't agree with the "mirrors are free to not mirror this media
Yann Ciret a écrit :
Le 29/11/2010 15:44, Dexter Morgan a écrit :
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelin wrote:
On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
* core
- enabled by default
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 14:28 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
> * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
> > Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
> >> * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
> >> I can't agree with the "mirrors are free to not mirror this media",
> >> three reasons:
> >> 1) I
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
The supposed advantages of discarding a set of repositories over having an
obvious sandbox aren't clear.
I think misc already explained it clearly in this mail :
https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101129/0
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 23:20 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit :
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
>
> > The fact that Mandriva didn't control what went into main is a large part
> > of their problem.
>
> Mandriva controled what went into main.
Not really, or not much.
( or at least, it
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
>
> The supposed advantages of discarding a set of repositories over having an
> obvious sandbox aren't clear.
I think misc already explained it clearly in this mail :
https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20101129/001503.html
If you dis
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
> They focus on the issue in question, to varying degrees of success.
> (Reminds me of end-user support. Much of the time they don't recognize the
> real problem.)
> My point is, significant bugs in core packages should be fixed in a timely
> manner, as much
Le 29/11/2010 15:44, Dexter Morgan a écrit :
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelin wrote:
>> On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
>>> So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
>>>
>>> * core
>>> - enabled by default
>>> - mirrors must mirr
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.11.2010 10:03:
2010/11/27 Ahmad Samir:
IMHO, the mirrorlist in its current status should be dropped
altogether... it's only good if the user has good mirrors near where
he lives, o
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
The idea is not that the Mageia community would not support "extra"
packages.
It is just that if an "extra" package breaks, it shouldn't break a user's
system.
But if a "core" package breaks, we would expect that it would break m
Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
- complexity on the users system as they need to have
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote:
>
> The idea is not that the Mageia community would not support "extra"
> packages.
> It is just that if an "extra" package breaks, it shouldn't break a user's
> system.
> But if a "core" package breaks, we would expect that it would break many
> users' syst
nicolas vigier a écrit :
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
Indeed, however it helps showing that there's a set of packages which is
supported, and another one which is only on behalf of the maintainer. In a
community driven distribution, this distinction may remains valid : so
On lundi 29 novembre 2010 at 01:45, Olivier Thauvin wrote :
> * Renaud MICHEL (r.h.michel+mag...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > On samedi 27 novembre 2010 at 00:02, Maarten Vanraes wrote :
> > If the files are identical, they can be hard linked, and then the
> > mirrors updates them with rsync -aH.
> > (by
Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:18:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
Same opinion here. This poorly written english sentence meant that,
independently of the mirror structure, I hope such a policy will be adopted.
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit :
>
> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
> > > - complexity on the users system as they need to have twice the number
> > > of media to
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:18:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
> * Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
> >
> >
> > Same opinion here. This poorly written english sentence meant that,
> > independently of the mirror structure, I hope such a policy will be adopted.
>
> What do you mean
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
>
>
> Same opinion here. This poorly written english sentence meant that,
> independently of the mirror structure, I hope such a policy will be adopted.
What do you mean by 'This poorly written english sentence' ?
Is my english so bad ? :)
--
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:11:08, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
> * Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
> >
> > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 15:24:04, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> > >
> > > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
> > > > - complexity over time of supp
* Samuel Verschelde (sto...@laposte.net) wrote:
>
> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 15:24:04, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> >
> > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
> > > - complexity over time of support because package move from main to
> > >contribs and viceversa. Espe
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:02:36, nicolas vigier a écrit :
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
>
> >
> > Indeed, however it helps showing that there's a set of packages which is
> > supported, and another one which is only on behalf of the maintainer. In a
> > community driven
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:24 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
> >
> > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 13:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> > >
> > > It was said early that you just have to look at whether the package
> > > h
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
>
> Indeed, however it helps showing that there's a set of packages which is
> supported, and another one which is only on behalf of the maintainer. In a
> community driven distribution, this distinction may remains valid : some
> packages are offi
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelin wrote:
> On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
>> So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
>>
>> * core
>> - enabled by default
>> - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
>> - only GP
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 15:24:04, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
>
> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
> > - complexity over time of support because package move from main to
> >contribs and viceversa. Especially when there is some backports from
> >a software i
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 14:56:20, Michael Scherer a écrit :
>
> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 13:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
> >
> > It was said early that you just have to look at whether the package
> > has a maintainer or not to make a distinction, but this is not sufficient.
> > A
在 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:10:47 +0800, Jerome Quelin 寫道:
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
- only GPL stuff
- must be selfcontained
* nonfree
- disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if
it detects hw that need driver/fw
On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
>
> * core
> - enabled by default
> - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
> - only GPL stuff
> - must be selfcontained
>
> * nonfree
> - disab
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 13:14 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
>
> It was said early that you just have to look at whether the package
> has a maintainer or not to make a distinction, but this is not sufficient.
> A maintainer can be very active in cauldron but not care about maintaining
>
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> Wolfgang Bornath skrev 27.11.2010 10:03:
>> 2010/11/27 Ahmad Samir:
>>>
>>> IMHO, the mirrorlist in its current status should be dropped
>>> altogether... it's only good if the user has good mirrors near where
>>> he lives, otherwise it just fails mise
On Sat, 27 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
>
> nope, the same layout:
> backports (disabled by default)
> backports_testing (disabled by default)
> release
> testing (disabled by default)
> updates
Maybe testing can be renamed to updates_testing to make it more clear.
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
> Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
>> * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
>> I can't agree with the "mirrors are free to not mirror this media",
>> three reasons:
>> 1) I don't see an easy and safe way for mirrors to exclude a media (a
>> directory +
Le vendredi 26 novembre 2010 21:29:14, Thomas Backlund a écrit :
>/backports_testing/ (disabled by default)
I've been waiting for this media for a long time, thumbs up !
Samuel
Le samedi 27 novembre 2010 17:20:34, Jerome Quelin a écrit :
>
> On 10/11/26 22:29 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> > The "core" should be only maintained free/libre stuff so it's easy
> > to build a free/libre iso
> >
> > "extra" is for those packages that no-one really maintain, but is
> > stil
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 12:46:22, andre999 a écrit :
> As already commented in previous posts, I would rather see this split
> into 2 parts :
> 1) core = really core (or very useful) to a fully functional desktop or
> server or developer system.
> Examples include packages for the kernel, usua
Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 04:32:07, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
> If you're maintaining a mirror you should first take care about the
> ressources need by each distro you host, and small mirror won't probably
> host mageia.
> There enough big mirrors around the world able to host us to not
> encoura
Thomas Backlund a écrit :
...
One thing hit me now...
I've only been thinking of current cooker and all of the old stuff
there...
But since we are going to have to import/rebuild every package we
need, it gets real easy... We just dont import any unmaintained stuff.
Note that just because
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:16:57PM +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
...
is there a way to get rpm usage stats from those unmaintained packages.
No. We can only get download stats from mirrors. While it may be biased toward
some geographical preference ( ie, I d
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 08:23:59PM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
Jerome Quelin skrev 27.11.2010 19:11:
On 10/11/27 17:59 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
what are the rules to move a package from extra to core, and vice-versa?
who can do it? will it be
Michael scherer a écrit :
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 08:00:17PM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
Michael scherer skrev 27.11.2010 10:43:
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:29:14PM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
[...]
Then we come to the "problematic" part:
This part look r
Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06:
* Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote:
So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple:
* core
- enabled by default
- mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror
- only GPL stuff
- must be selfcontained
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