On 27 March 2011 23:02, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org writes:
And do you have any objective compelling reason to include qt3-devel,
other than an arbitrary reason based on personal preferences ?
For the same reason that you added Qt3: LSB
If we
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:38, Tux99tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Also is there an official rule somewhere that specifies:
because we don't want to have software built on a deprecated library in
the repository
or is this simply an arbitrary rule that restricts
Ok, can we get back on topic?
Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in the qt3
source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia?
If not then I want to reenable it.
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Ok, can we get back on topic?
Is there any compelling reason why we cannot reenable qt3-devel in the qt3
source package that is ALREADY part of Mageia?
If not then I want to reenable it.
Work on TDE on your side first, we
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
Imho, Mageia had better to wait for a trinity-qt4-desktop...
++
yg
Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't
Am Freitag 25 März 2011, 10:09:57 schrieb Tux99:
What everyone here seems to forget is that a community distro should be
first and foremost about FREEDOM. Freedom to let others enjoy their
preferred software, not ARTIFICIAL RESTRICTIONS imposed by personal
preferences or unnecessarily
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:09, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
You are missing the point. QT3 is already part of Mageia and it wasn't me
who added it. All I'm asking is if there is any compelling reason not to
enable qt3-devel in the existing qt3 source package that is part of Mageia.
Then
Quote: Oliver Burger wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:21
A community distro is first and formost about community. Every time one
of your
ideas, suggestions, questions is answered by anyone with a no you
begin to
blame a few of the core members, no matter how many people said no
and who
Quote: xi wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:32
As always, please don't drop too fast the packages that you find
useless. There are still some users like me who may use QT3.
I still use some not so common applications (eg tools for electronic)
which needs QT3 and it is always much more
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:37, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:30
Wait. What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights
but too about duties. The freedom above comes from people that take
their time to craft and package things,
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:30
Wait. What you seem to forget is that this is not only about rights
but too about duties. The freedom above comes from people that take
their time to craft and package things, so they are verily in
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:53
You can't force a maintainer to do something you want and that she
judges not right for her set of packages.
We seem to be having a communication issue. Where did I force a maintainer
to do anything?
I asked if there is any COMPELLING
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:50
Having a qt3-devel packages does not automatically imply having
packages
based on it in the official repos.
Why do you want to have a qt3-devel package on the official repos, if
it's not to have other packages based on it ?
Why
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:33, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 10:53
If you can't work here by that, or if you are not happy with how
things go here, you are free to discuss this openly with members of
the council or of the board to sort it out.
Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:56
A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no
to something. Implying that this would restrict freedoms of users
would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this
is an open source project.
You seem to be confusing
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08
Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library.
So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and
myself.
And you want to arbitrarily make life a lot harder
On Friday 25 March 2011 08:18:38, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08
Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library.
So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and
myself.
If you think so...
As as already said
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 11:14 did gyre and gimble:
My concerns here are exactly because I'm getting the feeling that freedom
is being unnecessarily restricted in Mageia.
This is a very, very subjective statement, and I am rather concerned
that it's being used as some kind of
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30
As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can also
compile
qt3 with devel enable because you 'll need to *patch* qt3 to be able to
compile TDE =3.5.12 cf
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/Qt3
Quote: tux99 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:47
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30
As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can
also compile
qt3 with devel enable because you 'll need to *patch*
nicolas vigier wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
Quote: nicolas vigier wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:08
Because we want to be sure that nothing is built on this library.
So you are arbitrarily making life harder to people like Xavier and
myself.
And you want to arbitrarily make
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43
Freedom is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with
compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if
you
want to use it.
But isn't one of the reasons for participating in a community distro,
wanting to
2011/3/25 Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:30
As as already said earlier, if you want to compile TDE, you can also
compile
qt3 with devel enable because you 'll need to *patch* qt3 to be able to
compile TDE =3.5.12 cf
Hi,
Based on all this conversation here, it is clear that we have gotten off topic.
My suggestion would be to make a separate repository for Trinity.
Beware, we also updated Qt to version 3.3.8c (just a few minor
changes, no idea if bugs remain) while we finish the porting to Qt4.
--
later,
Quote: John Balcaen wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 13:27
As I said earlier in this thread I have of course already rebuilt
the qt3
package on my box and started working on the TDE packages (thanks
to work
done by Tim for Mandriva it's far easier for me now).
So we can now work on next
Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 13:53
Hi,
Based on all this conversation here, it is clear that we have gotten
off topic.
My suggestion would be to make a separate repository for Trinity.
Beware, we also updated Qt to
On 3/25/11, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
You are missing the
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 12:10 did gyre and gimble:
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43
Freedom is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with
compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if
you
want to use it.
But isn't
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 14:36
It was Donald Knuth who said Premature optimization is the root of
all
evil, and the same can be said of Speculative Packaging IMO!
Actually you just made my point here, excluding qt3-devel out of 'neatness'
is quite clearly premature
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 13:42 did gyre and gimble:
Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 14:36
It was Donald Knuth who said Premature optimization is the root of
all
evil, and the same can be said of Speculative Packaging IMO!
Actually you just made my point
On 25 March 2011 13:27, John Balcaen mik...@mandriva.org wrote:
The only problem we faced is that we're not agree about packaging qt3-devel
Totally off topic: are you french :-) ?
Hoyt Duff wrote:
On 3/25/11, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: yves wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 09:42
Hi,
QT4 is released since 2005, about... 6 years ?
So, why is it usefull to maintain a package that becomes depreciated
?
You are
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011, xi wrote:
Hi again,
You are wrong, there are software which need qt3-devel, but they have been
removed from Mageia!
I have just taken a look at Mageia missing package list, and QCad will be
removed because it is built against QT3 (quoting: qcad: stewb -
2011/3/25 xi ctrl.alt@free.fr:
Hoyt Duff wrote:
I agree, there is no 'compelling reason' not to offer it. The people
doing the work just don't want to because enabling it means they have
to support it. _Since Mageia doesn't need it for anything_, it makes no
sense to enable it; it
Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 12:43:28 schreef Colin Guthrie:
'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 11:14 did gyre and gimble:
[...]
Freedom is in no way restricted.
[...]
totally off topic here, but:
Freedom is always restricted, if there is unrestricted freedom, other people
will not be free
I think this thread is starting to derail from a simple technical question
limted to a specific issue (reenabling qt-dev) to an ideological argument
based greatly on fear and paranoia.
Adding TrinityDE to Mageia, like adding any bigger software, is a gradual
step by step process.
I don't think
Am Donnerstag 24 März 2011, 08:23:18 schrieb Tux99:
I think this thread is starting to derail from a simple technical question
limted to a specific issue (reenabling qt-dev) to an ideological argument
based greatly on fear and paranoia.
It is? I don't think so. Unless you think considerations
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote:
As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if
you keep /opt/kde3
Are you sure ?
For libs installed in /opt/kde3/lib, rpm find-provides will add the
provides for the libs on the packages. When an other package require
this library,
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 on
Mandriva and Trinity is even more so being developed with coexistence in
mind, so there shouldn't be any unsolvable issues.
Maybe it did coexist well at a
On 24 March 2011 11:56, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org writes:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote:
As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if
you keep /opt/kde3
Are you sure ?
For libs installed in /opt/kde3/lib, rpm
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 16:22:15 schreef Ahmad Samir:
On 24 March 2011 11:56, Olivier Blin mag...@blino.org wrote:
nicolas vigier bo...@mars-attacks.org writes:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote:
As I reiterate, Trinity does not interfere with KDE4 in any way, if
you keep /opt/kde3
On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Like I said before, KDE3.5 coexisted very well with KDE4 since 2009.1 on
Mandriva and
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 20:55:47 schreef Ahmad Samir:
On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:13, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Like I said before, KDE3.5
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Maarten Vanraes
maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 20:55:47 schreef Ahmad Samir:
On 24 March 2011 21:36, Maarten Vanraes maarten.vanr...@gmail.com wrote:
Op donderdag 24 maart 2011 14:10:39 schreef Romain d'Alverny:
On Thu, Mar 24,
I noticed there is no qt-devel rpm in mageia.
I looked into this further and noticed the following comment in the
changelog of qt3:
Revision 45543 - (view) (download) (annotate) - [select for diffs]
Modified Mon Jan 31 23:32:27 2011 UTC (7 weeks, 1 day ago) by stewb
Original Path:
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 04:49:21, Tux99 wrote:
I noticed there is no qt-devel rpm in mageia.
[...]
If i'm not wrong qt3 was simply wrongly imported pushed.
Also no apps seems to requires it at all (especially when there's no -devel to
link against it)
I would suggest to drop it at all in
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 07:37:12, Balcaen John wrote:
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 04:49:21, Tux99 wrote:
I noticed there is no qt-devel rpm in mageia.
[...]
If i'm not wrong qt3 was simply wrongly imported pushed.
Also no apps seems to requires it at all (especially when there's no
Quote: tux99 wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 13:18
Version 3.5.12 was just released a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php
Actually I confused the date :) the current version was released last
October.
Anyway that doesn't change the fact that QT4 support is still
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:35:05 +0100 (CET)
Tux99 wrote:
Quote: tux99 wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 13:18
Version 3.5.12 was just released a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php
Actually I confused the date :) the current version was released last
October.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:01, John j...@neodoc.biz wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:35:05 +0100 (CET)
Tux99 wrote:
Quote: tux99 wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 13:18
Version 3.5.12 was just released a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/releases.php
Actually I confused the
Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 16:09
Trinity Qt4 support is experimental, you can see it in
SVN.trinitydesktop.org
I'm aware of that, that's why I said we need qt3-devel re-enabled in the
QT3 package.
I don't want to build the current version with experimental QT4 support.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:08, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
I'm aware of the autoconf issue but I found a workaround [1] and I have
managed to build a libtqtinterface RPM so far with the workaround.
I recommend seeing this message:
http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::593
Are
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 16:09
Trinity Qt4 support is experimental, you can see it in
SVN.trinitydesktop.org
I'm aware of that, that's why I said we need qt3-devel re-enabled in the
QT3 package.
I
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 13:46, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 16:09
Trinity Qt4 support is experimental, you can see it in
SVN.trinitydesktop.org
I'm aware of that,
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 13:46, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Quote: Robert Xu wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 16:09
Trinity Qt4 support is experimental, you can see it in
SVN.trinitydesktop.org
I'm aware of that,
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Robert Xu wrote:
And I hate to double post, but I do know that the %configure_kde3
macro should point to /opt/kde3... :)
So that means that all KDE applications will be twice on the repository,
one for KDE4, and one for TDE ? I think that can be confusing for users.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 14:50, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
Where do you have the Fedora and openSUSE spec files?
Those could be useful as reference.
I will PM you eventually but first I have to have a close look at
everything, SVN write access would be premature for now.
Right now,
Quote: Anne nicolas wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 20:47
As explained by some guys before, we do not want to have both KDE3 and
4 in repository. This has been a big pain to make them live together
for some months (even if it looks easy) and it has been a pain to
clean repository.
I know that
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 17:25:25, Tux99 wrote:
[...]
I certainly don't have the web space and bandwidth resources for a
repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I
thought Mageia would finally make confusing and conflicting third party
repos (like Mandriva has)
On Mar 23, 2011, at 16:24, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
I certainly don't have the web space and bandwidth resources for a
repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I
thought Mageia would finally make confusing and conflicting third party
repos (like Mandriva
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Xu rob...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 23, 2011, at 16:24, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
I certainly don't have the web space and bandwidth resources for a
repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I
thought Mageia would
Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com writes:
I certainly don't have the web space and bandwidth resources for a
repository and frankly I joined Mageia as a packager precisely because I
thought Mageia would finally make confusing and conflicting third party
repos (like Mandriva has) obsolete.
Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 22:05
But as i said before (like others), you should first try to build it
locally,
check it's working, intergrate nicely for menu,kdm then we'll start
thinking
about providing an alternative repository.
It goes without saying that I
Le mercredi 23 mars 2011 à 17:30 -0400, Robert Xu a écrit :
On Mar 23, 2011, at 17:28, Dexter Morgan dmorga...@gmail.com wrote:
we will face too many pbs simple question:
we provide k3b ( kde apps ) trinity provide k3b ( kde3 apps )
Uh, no, k3b-trinity or k3b-kde3
And for
On Wednesday 23 March 2011 18:29:09, Tux99 wrote:
[...]
It goes without saying that I would first build everything locally and test
it, I always do that with every package I work on.
Nice to hear ;o)
But like I said, I think a separate/third party repo is a very bad idea,
the whole point of
On 23 March 2011 09:49, Tux99 tux99-...@uridium.org wrote:
I noticed there is no qt-devel rpm in mageia.
I looked into this further and noticed the following comment in the
changelog of qt3:
Revision 45543 - (view) (download) (annotate) - [select for diffs]
Modified Mon Jan 31 23:32:27
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