My hosting company tells me that the mail logs indicate that the majority of
Mailman's messages to Yahoo addresses return a deferred message. Here is
the complete message:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server after initial connection: host
Hi,
2008/2/20, Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
My hosting company tells me that the mail logs indicate that the majority of
Mailman's messages to Yahoo addresses return a deferred message. Here is
the complete message:
This is not even remotely mailman related. I have the same issue with
Well I found a workaround for my problem. I used in the CGIEmail, as
was suggested yesterday, to just use an email address in the FROM line
of my CGI form file that was accepted by the email list and it worked
famously.
I don't know why I had not thought of that but I appreciate the insight
Thank you for the response.
I have spent time testing individual mail to the same addresses from the
same source and I am successful.
What I failed to note in my posting is that this occurs when the mail is
going to multiple addresses as in a normal post. If I go into my list and
turn
Hi,
I have a problem whit the bounce.
I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the
engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address
e-mail
Many Thanks
RGdC
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This sounds like an anitspam tactic to me. Messages addressed to multiple
recipients are deferred, since a lot of spammers won't try sending a deferred
message again; It's not worth their time or resources to keep track of deferred
messages, and then go back and retry them. A legitimate mail
My Mailman list is very small with 20 members and only 3 Yahoo
addresses
and the user complaint thing is bogus. This is a golf list for crying
out
loud.all of the members want to know what their tee times are for
Saturday!
All of Yahoo addresses have the same issue, even my own which I
On 2/20/08 6:06 AM, Rick Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for the response.
I have spent time testing individual mail to the same addresses from the
same source and I am successful.
What I failed to note in my posting is that this occurs when the mail is
going to multiple
Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
only run one small list that there was a magic switch that I could flip
that would get past Yahoo.
Rick Harris
-Original Message-
From:
Rick Harris wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
only run one small list that there was a magic switch that I could flip
that would get past Yahoo.
Rick Harris
Rick, the
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com
[206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 216.104.33.122 temporarily
My Mailman list is very small with 20 members and only 3 Yahoo
addresses
and the user complaint thing is bogus. This is a golf list for crying
out
loud.all of the members want to know what their tee times are for
Saturday!
All of Yahoo addresses have the same issue, even my own which I
Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact
that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag).
Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personalization
is turned off. If I understand correctly, personalization might overcome
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:48:17 -0500
Brian Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really think the best option is to get our mailman list subscribers to
start using another e-mail provider. I think Yahoo should be sued for their
interference of legitimate e-mail communications and the way they
Hello,
2008/2/20, Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact
that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag).
Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personalization
is turned off. If
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:57:22 -0600
Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact
that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag).
Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personalization
-Original Message-
From: Rick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:57 AM
To: 'Brian Carpenter'; 'Attila Kinali'
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems
Rick Harris wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
only run one small list that there was a magic switch that I could flip
that would get past Yahoo.
If you are convinced that
Hi,
I have a problem whit the bounce.
I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the
engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address
e-mail
Many Thanks
RGdC
You can change the aliases file
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (on my
Roberto Gherardi wrote:
I have a problem whit the bounce.
I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the
engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address
e-mail
No. Not in Mailman. If you want to redirect or copy all bounces from a
specific
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:24 AM
To: Brian Carpenter
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Brian Carpenter wrote:
-Original Message-
From:
Brian Carpenter wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Rick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:57 AM
To: 'Brian Carpenter'; 'Attila Kinali'
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Yes. I am on a
Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the
fact
that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the
flag).
Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for
personalization
is turned off. If I
Attila Kinali writes:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com
[206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02]
I guess the point of this and other messages regarding spam is that Yahoo is
being very cautious and erring on the side of protecting their clients.
Meanwhile, in my Yahoo mail account this morning, I flagged as spam a
message supposedly coming from Yahoo mail offering me random prizes, an
offer
今晩は
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:11:04 +0900
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attila Kinali writes:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server
Brian Carpenter writes:
[ IIRC it was Attila Kinali who wrote: ]
If yahoo wants to receive mails from my server (and i'm sure
they want because their users subscribed to my lists), then
they have to play nice like everyone else too.
I like your attitude!
You're welcome to like the
Mark Sapiro wrote at 08:21 AM 2/20/2008:
Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
only run one small list that there was a magic switch that I could flip
that would get past Yahoo.
If
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:30:38 +0900
Stephen J. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Carpenter writes:
[ IIRC it was Attila Kinali who wrote: ]
If yahoo wants to receive mails from my server (and i'm sure
they want because their users subscribed to my lists), then
they have to
Quoting Larry Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I'm not blaming Mailman...I'm just asking if there is something about
Mailman that I can change that will overcome this. Changing anything about
Yahoo would be like changing heaven and earth. Surely, someone else is
experiencing this issue.
From: Rick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com
[206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 216.104.33.122
On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
e-mail communications
Sorry, I just don;'t see this... they are providing a FREE service.
If you aren;t happy with it, go somewhere else.
What I would do if I were you is
On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
e-mail communications
Sorry, I just don;'t see this... they are providing a FREE service.
If you aren;t happy with it, go somewhere else.
What I would do if I
-Original Message-
From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're welcome to like the attitude, but it's really just the flip
side of Yahoo's. The problem is spam, not Yahoo, and Yahoo serves a
clientele that in general cares more about spam getting through when
they
On 2/20/2008, Dennis Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
postfix/main.cf
yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5 # matches Yahoo's limit
yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2
I may be wrong, but I don't think you can add comments like that, only
on lines that START with a '#'... so it
On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
e-mail communications
Sorry, I just don't see this... they are providing a FREE service.
If you aren't happy with it, go somewhere else.
What I would do if I were
Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2/20/2008, Dennis Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
postfix/main.cf
yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5 # matches Yahoo's limit
yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2
I may be wrong, but I don't think you can add comments like that, only
on
Attila Kinali writes:
This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a
blanket policy.
It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails
a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones.
Any greylisting that is half way
Attila Kinali writes:
It's just yahoo that behaves like a black sheep in this game.
But that's simply not true. AOL has a deservedly bad reputation, as
does Hotmail. I've had problems with a number of universities, as
well (deserved, in a sense, but it was damn hard to get off the ban
list
Brian Carpenter writes:
Well we have been using domain keys as per yahoo's instructions and I
haven't seen any reductions in yahoo's deferrals.
Well, they don't promise that any of those measures will get your mail
through. And, to be sure, if I were them, I would not count domain
keys as a
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Attila Kinali writes:
This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a
blanket policy.
It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails
a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones.
Any
Charles Marcus writes:
No one has a 'Right' to talk to anyone else's mail server.
Everybody here concedes that, I think.
If they aren't playing well, document it: let anyone who uses your
services know that if THEY choose to use a problematic service, that is
their choice and their
Stephen you are my hero!
Regards,
Brian
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mailman-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen J.
Turnbull
-Original Message-
From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:05 PM
To: Brian Carpenter
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Brian Carpenter writes:
Well we have been using
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, the messages I see, and the message Rick posted all seem to come
in response to the initial connect. Thus, Rick's hosting company
should be looking at themselve rather than Rick's list since it is
apparently the
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brian Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for customer complaints, I would not be able to tell since Yahoo makes it
just about impossible to get on their feedback loop program. Believe me AOL
Couldnt this just be an issue of people on the list marking
-Original Message-
From: Gabriel Millerd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:51 PM
To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brian Carpenter [EMAIL
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Are you getting the deferral based on customer complaints? If so,
do you think they're lying about that, or something? (I'm not
claiming that you or any of your clients are spamming, and I don't
really care whether Yahoo customers are on average dumber than a
Brian Carpenter wrote:
I find it very problematic when a large ISP such as AOL and Yahoo allows their
users to define what is spam is and what is not.
Well, in one sense, only the final recipient can determine what is spam
and what is not, but I certainly agree that providing a this is spam
Mark Sapiro writes:
Then I read further and found To participate in the program,
senders must sign their outbound emails with DomainKeys (DKIM is
not currently supported).
This is the second time in recent weeks that some large mail service
has used it's 600 lb. gorilla status to try
-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:23 PM
To: Brian Carpenter; 'Gabriel Millerd'; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Brian Carpenter wrote:
I find it very
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Mark Sapiro writes:
Then I read further and found To participate in the program,
senders must sign their outbound emails with DomainKeys (DKIM is
not currently supported).
This is the second time in recent weeks that some large mail service
has used it's
AOL does it by the IP address not by domain.
I thought so Brian, so RRRGGG!
And I only have prob with ONE aol'er (who HAS a comcast account but keeps
forgetting his comcast password!!!). So periodically I have top open a Service
Ticket with my provider and ask them to
Brian Carpenter writes:
This wouldn't be a problem if they just applied a filter to that person's
e-mail address but to block an server's IP from sending any e-mail to all
their users? shudders
Hold that shudder ...
and none of the major e-mail providers are willing to come up with
a
Mark Sapiro writes:
That's not what I understood it to say. I understand they need to
authenticate me somehow as the person authorized to receive reports
about my mail to yahoo.com recipients, but I thought it said that in
order for me to participate in the feedback program at all, my
Hi
I keep seeing this error in my mailman error logs.
I've tried googling it for reasons but to no avail.
Anyone seen it before/have a reason.
Feb 21 17:03:21 2008 (16810) SHUNTING:
1176744092.7541261+83406355fa8fca831709ca6993e45b1b8763a180
Feb 21 17:03:25 2008 (16810) Uncaught runner
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
If you're in a hosted environment, you might think about asking your
host to implement domain keys and/or PGP-signing your mail. (Mailman
is (was?) not friendly to domain keys of non-owner posters, but in the
case of an announcement list having the
On 2/20/08, Attila Kinali wrote:
This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a
blanket policy.
It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails
a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones.
Any greylisting that is
On 2/20/08, Brian Carpenter wrote:
The really bad situation is when an e-mail forwarder that is setup on my
server that forwards both legitimate mail and spam (when it makes it through
my anti-spam system) to their AOL or Yahoo account and the user then clicks
that wicked spam button and
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
C'mon, Mark, you know that the only problem here is that there's no
accepted standard; they have to authenticate you somehow (do you
really want me to be able to spoof you and get information about your
mail to Yahoo customers?), and the right you to
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
It's just yahoo that behaves like a black sheep in this game.
But that's simply not true. AOL has a deservedly bad reputation, as
does Hotmail. I've had problems with a number of universities, as
well (deserved, in a sense, but it was damn hard
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Granted, Brad himself often criticizes the implementation at AOL,
Yahoo, et al. But the underlying strategy is the same. Stop spam as
far upstream as you can.
Yeah, but SPF/SenderID and DKIM/DomainKeys are not the right tools to
be forcing everyone
Hello,
I am running Mailman version 2.1.6 and recently had to move my servers
from one data center to another. This necessitated a change of IPs.
Since the move, Mailman has refused to send out posts from my lists.
Mail gets to the host and is redirected through aliases to the proper
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